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Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Big Mickey on December 07, 2006, 08:31:32 PM
Okay kids, I need your help. So I am flying around a base that is being caped by my countrymen. I figured I don't want to be down on the deck with 10 other guys trying to vulch the one idiot trying to take off. So I decide to grab a bit and head towards the closest enemy base to intercept any bad guys coming to join the fray.

I spot one friendly down on the deck fighting and a dot that is coalt coming my way. The friendly looks to be doing okay so I grab a little to intercept the con. He comes into icon range and its a Jug. "Great!!!" I think as I am driving a P47N and I love going up against another jug pilot. I have maybe 1k of alt on him so I dive to get some speed and wep it up. I pull in low on his 6 and see his drop tank drop off. Right on!!! a good fight. We twist and turn a few times and I can't get a firing solution. However I am still locked on his six. Now I see a few shots come over my shoulder and realize a friendly pony has joined in on the fun. Personally I would have liked it to stay a one on one but to late now. Now I just need to beat the pony to the kill!

The jug goes low and I follow, he then pulls vertical and I think "I got him now!" All of a sudden the icon goes bye bye.....the yellow bastage bailed!! I watched the film afterwards and not one hit had been landed on him. He was in a perfectly good airplane. As I come over the top I look down and see a chute. So what did I do? I filled the darn thing full of 50 cals!!!

Now here in lies the ethical dilemma. Chute shooting is just not something I do. So the question is... If someone bails just because they were stupid enough to get their arse in a bad situation, can you, or should you, turn the cute into a sieve, or let him keep it in one piece to fashion himself a nice flying dress.

Big Mickey
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: RTR on December 07, 2006, 08:38:36 PM
Turn the chute into a whole pile of pretty ribbons. He can wear them in his hair the next time goes for a tootle.

Yep, I would have kilt him while he was hanging in the chute too.

Besides that, chutes make this satisfying little  *pop* when you shoot them.:D

RTR
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: hubsonfire on December 07, 2006, 08:46:15 PM
He is still an armed combatant. Shoot the little bastard!
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Spatula on December 07, 2006, 08:46:54 PM
Its not a real chute, and its not a real person The way i look at it, if they earn respect i'll leave them in their silk, if not ill straffe the bastage!
Title: Chute Shooter
Post by: RAPIER on December 07, 2006, 09:09:17 PM
I think you did the right thing.  What if the 51 on your 6 was NME, would he have bailed?  Doubt it!
 He was just trying to deprive someone of a kill or not lose points or some stupid thing for a bail rather than getting shot down.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Blooz on December 07, 2006, 09:12:02 PM
To kill him just gets him into a new plane faster.

Let him float for awhile. The higher the better.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Kermit de frog on December 07, 2006, 10:28:09 PM
This thread is full of retards.
:D
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: SHawk on December 07, 2006, 10:36:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kermit de frog
This thread is full of retards.
:D


One more just posted:D
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Big Mickey on December 07, 2006, 10:43:48 PM
Hey Kermit, you don't know how right you are. The bailing catalyst for the original post was a TARd.... of the L variety if ya catch my drift :D

Big Mickey
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Grits on December 07, 2006, 10:50:45 PM
All chutes DIE!!! They are teh DEVIL!!1!
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: jaxxo on December 07, 2006, 10:59:01 PM
who the f bails out anyway? die your miserable death! it inspires you to not do it again :P  nothin tees me off more than gangers, ill watch every miserable second of my demise for inspiration.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: SkyRock on December 07, 2006, 11:00:50 PM
I would shoot chutes....................... ..................if it gave me any pleasure whatsoever!  It doesn't so I don't!  Now the grunts on the other hand, give me great pleasure to hear their blood curdling screams as my 50's tear into them be them still in chutes or not! :aok
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: FrodeMk3 on December 08, 2006, 12:43:37 AM
Why waste the ammo? You may really need if for the next con you find.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Kermit de frog on December 08, 2006, 01:31:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
One more just posted:D



I agree.
:lol
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Raptor on December 08, 2006, 01:41:58 AM
wow, it has been a while since i've heard the "chute shooter" insults
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: jhookt on December 08, 2006, 03:16:59 AM
lol  maybe one my brethren realized he wasn't in an osti?  i'd shoot the chute anyway.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: FBBone on December 08, 2006, 08:00:25 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
To kill him just gets him into a new plane faster.

Let him float for awhile. The higher the better.


You can ".ef" while hanging there, he was wise to kill em fast!!!!
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Irwink! on December 08, 2006, 08:06:56 AM
When I was a brand new cherry noob I got popped a couple of times after bailing. After that if I bailed and if I had enough alt I "skydived" a bit to get out of harm's way. That .45 ACP's not a lot of good either. :D

I don't shoot chutes. But in your case I may have. I'm tempted on the occassions where some buff drivers drop and bail.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 08, 2006, 09:55:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Blooz
To kill him just gets him into a new plane faster.

Let him float for awhile. The higher the better.


:aok   THIS IS VERY SMART!    :aok

Let the chute pooter float around like a ninny. He is paying the money to drift around wondering why he dont have the BLZ to fight it out.  :rofl


AND on another note - the friendly pony should have ASKED if u needed a hand.  I ask before jumpin in and turning a good fight into a ganger.  ;)
Title: Re: Chute Shooter
Post by: vizwhiz on December 08, 2006, 10:08:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by RAPIER
I think you did the right thing.  What if the 51 on your 6 was NME, would he have bailed?  Doubt it!
 He was just trying to deprive someone of a kill or not lose points or some stupid thing for a bail rather than getting shot down.


I think this is the right point...if he didn't fight, he shouldn't have bailed...there was nothing wrong with his plane, no reason to bail out.  I wouldn't feel bad about shooting him when he is just trying to avoid being killed and didn't even fight.  If he couldn't get away, and got his plane shot up, he might have been shot in the cockpit and died.  Or he might have had the plane blown to bits and died.  Or he might have just lost his tail and really had time to bail out and then it would have been okay.

I only bail when my plane gets shot to pieces and I'm gonna die...it's the "accurate" thing to do.  It's what pilots would do when they could...somethimes it works out, sometimes I die anyway - like when i'm on the deck and spinning on one wing at 200 kts right into the hillside.
(And I get a lot of practice at it too!) :lol

I've only been shot in the chute a couple of times.  Most of the guys out there know that if you fought, you only bailed cuz they won anyway and their opponent was toast...they already won, shooting the chute doesn't mean anything.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Quah! on December 08, 2006, 10:15:15 AM
What a moron!  Please post ID of said moron.  As HT has said he counts on a level of Peer Pressure to keep people from doing such idiotic things.  So lets have a name.

I kill all score potato chutes!  No ethical dilemma, its a game.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 08, 2006, 10:18:34 AM
Yeah but you r'nt punishing him by shootin his shoot.  he is already awarded u the kill.  All u r doing is helping him UP FASTER

:rolleyes:

READ what Blooz  said.... and try real hard to THINK about it


You will PUNISH him by letting him drift and he will think about how much of a coward he was.  

You shoot him in the chute, then he aint got time to think, and he just goes back up and does another dummy thing again.

:t

Yeah and dont post his id, that would be cruel.  What a jerk you are to ask that anyway...  THere is always the chance that Another reason like he out of gas or something  :(
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Quah! on December 08, 2006, 10:21:05 AM
Quote
You can ".ef" while hanging there, he was wise to kill em fast!!!!


Try your own advice Pres!!

Quote
Yeah and dont post his id, that would be cruel. What a jerk you are to ask that anyway... THere is always the chance that Another reason like he out of gas or something


And the only jerk is the one calling names to people posting.


If he was out of gas he should have ditched.  Bailers = tards.  :aok
Or was the moron you ???
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Horten on December 08, 2006, 10:23:35 AM
A parachute is an enemy pilot...an enemy pilot is a dangerous think..

Conclusion: Shoot they all down! Is what i do...
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 08, 2006, 10:26:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Quah!
Try your own advice Pres!!

 

And the only jerk is the one calling names to people posting.


If he was out of gas he should have ditched.  Bailers = tards.  :aok
Or was the moron you ???


OH YEAH it was me there MOUTH  ;)

Okay MOUTH?

Hit me with some more wisdumb there MOUTH

You are the one wantin to tease some poor sucka who might be a newb or whatever - to make U feel like a BIG MAN

Go for it MOUTH

:furious :furious :furious :furious
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Airscrew on December 08, 2006, 10:29:15 AM
shoot the chute ;)  especially for that.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Bronk on December 08, 2006, 10:30:52 AM
Holy shade purse fight bat man.


:huh





Bronk
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Quah! on December 08, 2006, 10:31:14 AM
Are you really this stoopid Presisweetheartbag??

So you think bailing in the middle of a fight is cool  LOL.  Looks like we have another winner.  Whats that, I think your mother is calling you time for your feeding hahahahaha  Go away bail boy.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 08, 2006, 10:33:15 AM
(http://www.siamweb.org/thailand/children/images/cry.jpg)

Quote
Originally posted by Quah!
Are you really this stoopid Presisweetheartbag??

So you think bailing in the middle of a fight is cool  LOL.  Looks like we have another winner.  Whats that, I think your mother is calling you time for your feeding hahahahaha  Go away bail boy.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Bronk on December 08, 2006, 10:35:42 AM
Wrongwayric has grown a pair with this new shade.

:noid

Keep those purses swinging.



:aok



Bronk
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: uberhun on December 08, 2006, 10:37:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Quah!
Are you really this stoopid Presisweetheartbag??

So you think bailing in the middle of a fight is cool  LOL.  Looks like we have another winner.  Whats that, I think your mother is calling you time for your feeding hahahahaha  Go away bail boy.


:rofl
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Saintaw on December 08, 2006, 10:39:21 AM
You can shoot at planes too? :huh
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Bronk on December 08, 2006, 10:40:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Saintaw
You can shoot at planes too? :huh


Ya have to pay extra for that privilege.




Bronk
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 08, 2006, 11:20:45 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
Wrongwayric has grown a pair with this new shade.

:noid

Keep those purses swinging.



:aok



Bronk


(http://www.primopurses.com/primo_purses_splash.gif)

I will grab the big one in the bottom right, looks like a good head smacker!

:lol
Title: Re: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 08, 2006, 11:20:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Big Mickey
All of a sudden the icon goes bye bye.....the yellow bastage bailed!!  


This is a trait of the dweebs which populates most of AHland.  I think it is due to the misbelief that you die in real life if you die in AH so you must avoid enemy contact at all costs.  

Therefore to reinfoce the point that you do not die in real life, you should shoot their chutes and help educate them for their own benefit.

A film which i took yesterday:- http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1165598437_bail.ahf

The bomber formation and C-47 were on the way to try and capture a Vehicle Base in the Mid War Arena.
Title: Re: Re: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Bronk on December 08, 2006, 11:25:54 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ball
This is a trait of the dweebs which populates most of AHland.  I think it is due to the misbelief that you die in real life if you die in AH so you must avoid enemy contact at all costs.  

Therefore to reinfoce the point that you do not die in real life, you should shoot their chutes and help educate them for their own benefit.

A film which i took yesterday:- http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1165598437_bail.ahf

The bomber formation and C-47 were on the way to try and capture a Vehicle Base in the Mid War Arena.


Dang I thought that was going to be the film from the AvA.
Cmon you know the one .:D



Bronk
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Shuffler on December 08, 2006, 11:26:59 AM
Chutes can be spies... bang bang
Title: Re: Re: Re: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 08, 2006, 11:27:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
Dang I thought that was going to be the film from the AvA.
Cmon you know the one .:D



Bronk


This one?

At the request of Bronk, may you find this film useful for training of the dweebs.  Sometimes they do not take to educating very well so you must persist. (this guy bailed due to getting shot down).

http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/Furball/chutegopop.ahf

:t
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: hubsonfire on December 08, 2006, 11:42:54 AM
How many types of pilots are there, and how can we tell which group is which?
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 08, 2006, 11:47:58 AM
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1165600036_bail.jpg)
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: BaldEagl on December 08, 2006, 11:48:12 AM
Letting him float won't help.  He can still re-up just as soon as if you killed the chute.  All he has to do is end flight.  He'll get either the bailed successfully or capture just like he would if he floated all the way down.

Did you get the proxie kill?  You should have.

I'd save my ammo unless he's close to either a friendly or enemy base.  I've stood at the end of an enemy runway shooting guys in the head with my .45 as they take off causing pilot wounds.  Likewise I've hidden in the maproom killing loads of troops with my .45 and scoring proxie kills as fighters auger around me.

[EDIT]  You can also kill the manned ack at a VB with a .45
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 08, 2006, 11:48:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire
How many types of pilots are there, and how can we tell which group is which?


usually the bailers are not in a plane when you encounter them.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Bronk on December 08, 2006, 12:00:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ball
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1165600036_bail.jpg)


OMG  :rofl :rofl :rofl



Bronk
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: 1ijac on December 08, 2006, 12:09:03 PM
If you have an aversion to shooting a chute, try shredding the silk with your prop.  I usually shoot the chute when no one is looking!!!!   ;)
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: SlapShot on December 08, 2006, 12:16:23 PM
:t ... making meatpuppet go boom ... priceless !!!
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Blooz on December 08, 2006, 12:43:34 PM
OK. It's true. You can .ef while in a chute. I've learned something new.

So...why hasn't anyone raised a ruckus to get this little dweeby move fixed?
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: hubsonfire on December 08, 2006, 12:47:54 PM
aha! found it.

Johnnie Johnson, Wing Leader (1956)

It is fascinating to watch the reactions of the various pilots. They fall into two broad categories; those who are going out to shoot and those who secretly and desperately know they will be shot at, the hunters and the hunted. The majority of the pilots, once they have seen their name on the board, walk out to their Spitfires for a pre-flight check and for a word or two with their ground crews. They tie on their mae-wests, check their maps, study the weather forecast and have a last-minute chat with their leaders or wingmen. These are the hunters.

The hunted, that very small minority (although every squadron usually possessed at least one), turned to their escape kits and made quite sure that they were wearing the tunic with the silk maps sewn into a secret hiding-place; that they had at least one oilskin-covered packet of French francs, and two if possible; that they had a compass and a revolver and sometimes specially made clothes to assist their activities once they were shot down. When they went through these agonized preparations they reminded me of aged countrywomen meticulously checking their shopping- lists before catching the bus for the market town.

:)
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 08, 2006, 12:54:32 PM
that was my sig until about 2 weeks ago hub ;)

the difference in AH being that the hunted are the vast majority.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: FBBone on December 08, 2006, 12:56:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by President
Yeah but you r'nt punishing him by shootin his shoot.  he is already awarded u the kill.  All u r doing is helping him UP FASTER

:rolleyes:

READ what Blooz  said.... and try real hard to THINK about it


You will PUNISH him by letting him drift and he will think about how much of a coward he was.  

You shoot him in the chute, then he aint got time to think, and he just goes back up and does another dummy thing again.

:t

Yeah and dont post his id, that would be cruel.  What a jerk you are to ask that anyway...  THere is always the chance that Another reason like he out of gas or something  :(


You do realize that you can end your sortie any time after bailing, right?  You don't even need to pop your chute.  It's been a long time since you had to ride one all the way in.  IMO if they're hangin on the silk, they're relaying information (:noid ) and must be dispatched quickly.  

In the future, please pay attention to posts like these......................

Quote
Originally posted by FBbone
You can ".ef" while hanging there, he was wise to kill em fast!!!!


Have a nice day!
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Stang on December 08, 2006, 12:59:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ball
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1165600036_bail.jpg)
:rofl

I had a front row seat to that one.  What was that noob's name anyway, can't recall rofl...

:lol
Title: Re: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: LYNX on December 08, 2006, 01:05:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Big Mickey


Now here in lies the ethical dilemma. Chute shooting is just not something I do. So the question is... If someone bails just because they were stupid enough to get their arse in a bad situation, can you, or should you, turn the cute into a sieve, or let him keep it in one piece to fashion himself a nice flying dress.

Big Mickey


I would stamp on his knackers because he don't need um.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 09, 2006, 04:41:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Stang
:rofl

I had a front row seat to that one.  What was that noob's name anyway, can't recall rofl...

:lol


this may jog your memory...

Junnts (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1956204)
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: sgt203 on December 09, 2006, 05:02:41 AM
lol that was too funny!!!!!

I dont shoot at chutes, unless they are on the ground.... and I could care less if someone shoots me in mine if I bail...

Really it doesn't hurt
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 11, 2006, 12:32:39 PM
I talked in this one so it was funny as H!!! this weekend what happened

Saturday some moron was trying so hard to shoot one of my fello rooks in his chute that he didn’t notice me come in up his 6 and send him in the direction of gravity without a wing and a tail
:rofl
So keep shootin them chutes you dopey nuts and keep your attention away from the real fight!   :aok
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: Ball on December 11, 2006, 12:38:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by President
So keep shootin them chutes you dopey nuts and keep your attention away from the real fight!   :aok


i cant talk for others, but it doesnt consume all of my situation awareness popping meatbomb's ;)
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: mustard on December 11, 2006, 12:57:24 PM
one retard who agrees with the pancake flipper
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: pluck on December 11, 2006, 01:03:31 PM
whenever i see a chute, i ask if anyone has dibs on it.  if no one replies, i shoot it.  i don't think i've ever let someone onto my six shooting chutes.  of course even if i did i still wouldn't care, it's just a game, i get a new plane and i'm sure i'll die sometime anyway.
Title: Ethical Dilemma
Post by: President on December 11, 2006, 04:30:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ball
i cant talk for others, but it doesnt consume all of my situation awareness popping meatbomb's ;)


not everyone can be SUPERCOOL like you :cool:

cause obviously that tard i shot wasnt - he was so busy trying to shoot a chute that i shot him and he hadnt time to chute cause he just went down.  

so like i said, keep on shooting them chutes, and i hope i come up behind you and test your SI bro

:noid