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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LTARghst on December 08, 2006, 12:08:29 PM
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Ok please tell me this:
EW 11/350
MW 11/350
LW/O 27/170
LW/B 179/120
Obviously no one cares for the top 3.
Why are these caps higher than Blue. I pay my money to play this game monthly, but why should I pay if I cant play where I want to. I am not a fan of the top three, but it will not let me in Blue. Oh yeah it is 12:08 Central.
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If you think your gonna get an answer here ... or should I say the correct answer ... nice try.
Call HTC and ask them ... I am sure HT would be glad to tell you why.
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Yeah I know. But this is so frustrating and makes no sense. Can I have some cheese with this whine?
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Originally posted by LTARghst
but why should I pay if I cant play where I want to.
YEAH! i wanna play in the Playboy Mansion, i pay my 14.95, why cant i play in the Playboy Mansion, why can't i jerktechcreations? :mad: :furious :mad:
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He's trying to have = #s in both LW's! If ones full you must choose another! :aok
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I dont like orange therefore why must I have to play in it. If you wanna balance the numbers then cap the number each country can have in that arena. 120=40 players each that simple. That would stop alot of the hordes but at least raise the cap.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
He's trying to have = #s in both LW's! If ones full you must choose another! :aok
You cant have even numbers if people don't like the arenas equally. They are 2 different arenas, that would be like trying to make people fly in EW and LW at like they are Orange and Blue. Either get rid of the new system or make Blue a seperate arena with a higher cap, which will only bring back the original MA.
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Ltarghst...relax a bit
You don't have to play in any arena in which you choose not to play.
You and I play during the same Time Zones, I think...and I'm unsure of your direction with this post.
The problem between the two Arenas, Blue vs. Orange has little to do with numbers and more to do with Quality.
Me, for Quality, I prefer a very Sharp Cheddar with my Merlot...however...
a Sweet Johannisberg Reisling caps off a Swiss Lace very nicely.
I do enjoy my Blueberries in pancakes and my Oranges in juice.
Oatmeal is another very fine host; not only is it robust in itself, it offers many variables...blueberries with an orange wedge, for example...or, walnuts, dates, raisins, and cinnimmon....and a variety of other flavors. However, in my humble opinion...oatmeal outlasts pancakes by a wide margin (determined by oatmeal vs pancake folks), but I think oatmeal lends a bit more variety.
I'm thinking that HT has fed us ( the Community ) Oatmeal, and that it is up to us to flavor the Oatmeal (as a Community, or as an individual ) to suit our tastes.
Just a few thoughts...by the way...has anyone seen any Sauseges ? They go very good with Oatmeal and Pancakes.
Patches
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
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I second ghst on this, was about to start the same thread.
The issue is that before Orange and blue were the same, now orange is some crappy beta arena that na few joins, so it blows the whole system that HT tuned when the multiple arena thing came in. not blaming the system of multiple arena, but the fact that a normal arena turned into a beta arena.
Can I play with my squaddies ? no, I have to wait that some dare to play Orange so it changes the blue arena cap and I can join. Pretty twisted mechanism.
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Normally orange and blue would be the same type of setup. So what they r sayin about just goto orange would be fine...... BUT..... since they dont stop and think that ORANGE is now a test arena .... they r not the same.
:D
Let me know if u actually meet someone helpful in these forums!!!!!
:rofl
But Midwar is a lot of fun too. I understand though that u prob want to stick with where the other LTAR people r flying. The new arena setup makes it hard.
I miss the one arena for everyone days
Originally posted by LTARghst
Ok please tell me this:
EW 11/350
MW 11/350
LW/O 27/170
LW/B 179/120
Obviously no one cares for the top 3.
Why are these caps higher than Blue. I pay my money to play this game monthly, but why should I pay if I cant play where I want to. I am not a fan of the top three, but it will not let me in Blue. Oh yeah it is 12:08 Central.
:noid
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I think what he is saying is he would like to play in the late war arena but not be forced into the Lame orange arena. I too have the same feelings. I do not like the gameplay in the Orange arena.
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
I think what he is saying is he would like to play in the late war arena but not be forced into the Lame orange arena. I too have the same feelings. I do not like the gameplay in the Orange arena.
yeah they really should have made the test arena a new arena of a different color, like the PINK FURBALL TEST ARENA:aok
then kept blue and orange alike, but i think ltar would still like to be with his buddies in the same arena
:furious
:cry
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LMAO
Its going to be funny when orange becomes the standard.
*rubs hands together briskly*
Muhahahhahaha
Bronk
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then kept blue and orange alike, but i think ltar would still like to be with his buddies in the same arena
who doesn't like ?
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Originally posted by Bronk
LMAO
Its going to be funny when orange becomes the standard.
*rubs hands together briskly*
Muhahahhahaha
Bronk
Whatever happens....
happens.
And it will change the game forever.;)
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Originally posted by Bronk
LMAO
Its going to be funny when orange becomes the standard.
*rubs hands together briskly*
Muhahahhahaha
Bronk
Scary, lots of players are afraid of that :t
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Originally posted by Bronk
LMAO
Its going to be funny when orange becomes the standard.
*rubs hands together briskly*
Muhahahhahaha
Bronk
Yes very funny when introducing a new system apparently nobody seems to want ;)
The first few days Orange was the most populated arena by a big margin, until people went back to Blue...
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yes very funny when introducing a new system apparently nobody seems to want ;)
The first few days Orange was the most populated arena by a big margin, until people went back to Blue...
LOL ... I guess Orange was too difficult and taxing for them ?
LW Blue should now be called LW RR.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... I guess Orange was too difficult and taxing for them ?
LW Blue should now be called LW RR.
I don't know if "difficult" is the word....I would say "boring". Personnally after some hours of "beta testing" I felt like a lemming.
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Originally posted by LTARghst
Ok please tell me this:
EW 11/350
MW 11/350
LW/O 27/170
LW/B 179/120
Obviously no one cares for the top 3.
Why are these caps higher than Blue. I pay my money to play this game monthly, but why should I pay if I cant play where I want to. I am not a fan of the top three, but it will not let me in Blue. Oh yeah it is 12:08 Central.
because we must have balance, we must stop milkrunners and toolsheders that capture undefended bases to win the reset. We must force people to FIGHT and not runaway like the B & Z cherry picker vulcher HOers. And of course we must have fun.
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Originally posted by john9001
We must force people to FIGHT and not runaway like the B & Z cherry picker vulcher HOers. And of course we must have fun.
Maybe you should say this with an evil german accent :D
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When a LW arena resets and shows 0 players, it skews the remaining one so you can have 200 players in a 120 limit arena. Woe is anyone who disco's, blue screens etc or even just temporarily logs cos you've just lost the ability to get back in.
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I've run into this problem several times myself and I agree with ghst on this. On 12/8/06, I logged on at 7:35 p.m. eastern and Blue arena was full. 226/220 capacity and I couldn't get in. I came back at 8:10 p.m. and the arena was still full. The only difference was the numbers: 267/220 and I couldn't get in.
If the caps on these arenas are supposed to be "self-adjusting" then to quote a movie: "Houston, we have a problem."
Why not increase the capacity to 500 or even 700 per arena and let the people decide where and how they prefer to play. Hopefully the numbers would give a more accurate idea of preferences.
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Originally posted by Elad53
Why not increase the capacity to 500 or even 700 per arena and let the people decide where and how they prefer to play. Hopefully the numbers would give a more accurate idea of preferences.
The former Main Arena had a cap of 750. On 9-13-06, HTC split the arenas into what they are now. Search the forums as to why HTC altered his game they way he did.
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What I find frustrating is that folks largely DONT want to fight, and wander about in borg cubes--even in Orange arena Fri night--9 bases in play with latest setting, not 1 fight--every base in play was swarmed by 1 country, ignoring its own bases which were being swarmed elsewhere. The only way to MAKE people fight (and not horde together and dominate #) is to force side balanxing at arena level, then make them all fly to one place:aok
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Just remember... there were / are NO fights going on in LW blue tonite...
You gotta go to orange for fights!
ahahahahahhahahahahaha
yeah,... whatever... no, we need orange to create fights... either I am completely noob and dont know wtf I'm talking about, or I found plenty of fights every 2 minutes in blue..
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EW=good fights coupled with weenie milkrunners
MW=good fights coupled with weenie milkrunners
LW Orange= HOrde Monkeys coupled with HOrde dweebs
LWBlue=good fights coupled with CptDeath wannabees!~
I think the arenas speak for themselves!
Basically we all play for the map! If suk map in orange......don't make me be there!
If map rocks in blue........lemme in!
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Mark!:aok
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Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... I guess Orange was too difficult and taxing for them ?
LW Blue should now be called LW RR.
Or maybe they just didn't like it, did that ever occur to ya:huh
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Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... I guess Orange was too difficult and taxing for them ?
LW Blue should now be called LW RR.
You have obviously no idea what "relaxed realism" is.... Oh, I get it your trying to"big ya self up".
I have only used Orange last week and this week for the test/s. 1 base was to restrictive but the newer version is a "little" more acceptable. You still find yourself fighting for or defending the same base all night. :(
Dunno if that's good for customer retention. It's ideal for the short term "hook" of new players or for the furballer with just 30 minutes to play. 45 second flight to fight.....woooohoooo:rolleyes:
Slap me old fruit I don't know if you have monitored the arena numbers this week but LWb has consistently had more players than ANY OTHER arena. Of all the arenas choices now graciously given us why would that be ? Why would the MAJORITY of the player base favour LWB ?
Before you answer see Hubs for the "brasso". His wrists are prolly worn out so you'll have to shine your own trumpet before you blow it :lol
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The point of the post is about choice...
Having a choice of how you wish to play is part of the fun...
You want to fly EW Plane without getting pounded by La's fly EW...
You want to fly where your pretty much guaranteed longer lasting fights but with limited choice option fly LW Orange..
If you like the ability to fly all plane sets and the map is open to whatever you want to do fly LWBlue....
It is about the choice...
I dont care how others wish to play the game, nor will I tell them how they should.
The idea is that he should have a choice as to how he chooses to have his fun not have his choice made by others with their idea of what fun should be...
I too agree with Ghst on this he should be able to choose where HE wants to play...
I could imagine if the shoe were on the other foot and those that choose or prefer to fly strictly MW or EW were forced into something like the old MA what would happen then......
Oh thats right.... we already know the answer to that one :huh
Your idea of fun may not be mine.... nor mine yours...
Choice is all ghst was looking for nothing more.....
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Originally posted by SkyRock
He's trying to have = #s in both LW's! If ones full you must choose another! :aok
but blue and orange are not the same arena anymore, so how can they be linked?
its like having rolling caps on EW and MW arenas..... making so its impossible for people to get in MW, when EW has too few numbers. Of corse that wont really effect anyone.....
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Originally posted by thndregg
The former Main Arena had a cap of 750. On 9-13-06, HTC split the arenas into what they are now. Search the forums as to why HTC altered his game they way he did.
I already know why HTC altered the game the way he did. My point is that I don't really care for the other arenas and that I am not getting my money's worth out of the game by being forced to fly these arenas when the LW Blue arena is full.
And my suggestion about the caps on the arenas is that if their not self-adjusting or not keeping up with the demand for entry into the arenas, they need to be fixed.
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There are quite a few issues with the current set up as is.
I never did care for the Arena Split. I understand the reasons but that is not what this post is about. My biggest issue is the same as Ghost. I can not play where I want to play and if my squad mates and friends are in an Arena that is full I have no right to tell them they cant have fun and go to Arena they dont want to.
I pay $15 a month to play this game the way I choose to play it for over 3 years plus now. During all that time the main thing that kept me around was being able to play this game the way I want to. But now we are unable to have that choice and that is where the underlining problems lie is. We are no longer able to fly with who want to or when we want to due Arena Restrictions. Instead we have to stop doign what we enjoy and do something that we dont want to do in order to group up. We long into arena and ENY hits us. Of course some might say well switch sides. Well I honestly think that if the Arena sizes was not restricted then that would no longer be a problem. Just somethings to consider
By the way I have played the Orange Arena. I enjoyed the challenge. But the funny thing is this. I dont remember in any War a side saying by the way we are attacking the field and just this one. With that set up you do not discourage Horde Mentality but in fact promoting it. The problem with that Arena is not the Arena itself. But the fact that once again we are being limited in our choices in a setup/game that should not have in restrictions to it.
Would majority play in the LW arenas? I do believe they would. If you want to take the best on then you want to face them in your a/c against there best a/c. For me I prefer the Hurricane IIC and consider myself a descent stick. If I was limited to flying something else in came across someone like SHawk and he shot me down then in the end my desire to face the best in AH in my aircraft and an Arena of my choice can not be done. Luckily enough for me I dont have to worry about it.
I look for to some replies btu I challenge people to do this. Come up with a logically and straight forward answer to why we should be limited on what we want to fly, what we want to fly against, what arena we want to fly in, and finally if we are paying $15 a month to fly the aircraft we want in the manner we want as advertised by HTC then dont you think we should be able to that when want to and not when someone else says it is ok.
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I can't wait till HTC makes BOTH LW arenas have the new base capture set-up !!
It will be a true test of the new system. It will most likely increase the EW and MW arenas with those "that don't like the limitations" of the new LW, and of course the whines here on the boards will be beautiful !!!! :rofl
I think the new system is fine. Yes it tightens up the arena alot more, but should a country work together, I see no problems with taking bases. With the furballers taking the shortest route to a fight, you know where the defenders are likely to be. Take a route with a decent force around said area and you have a base capture in the works!
Stop crying, start playing, have fun !
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Fugitive.
I was playing and I was having fun, but if this is a whine so be it. You have your opinion I have mine, so I can say the same to you stop your whine. HTC I believe will make a BIG mistake if he makes all arenas like Orange. I have no prob with early or mid..I stop in there occasionally. But it is not what I prefer or enjoy. I along with many others prefer the Blue. To me Orange is senseless gameplay. Good to see I am not alone on this matter.
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Fugitive I belive this new system is primariliy a way to bring large maps back into rotation with out haveing the 200 people on one of those large maps spread here and there rolling bases in 3's and 4's with no resistance.
I would guess if HT go's for a system like this that it would be in all arenas at least on the large maps... I see no reason that the small maps need this system as the small maps already channel fighting well the way they are and I have told HT as much.
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i think the problem began when AH was allowed to have bases being attacked when clearly no defense was able to be mounted (number imbalances). then we have the hordes who feel it is stragicly sound to attack undefended bases, while the other team attacks one of their bases. then they tell everyone else to defend the base. i don't understand how as a strat person you can accept the fact that you are allowing a base to be taken with ease, while taking another with ease. i thought the idea was to maintain what you have, and capture the enemy's territory.
back to topic. because the game was not restricted, players choose to exploit the system for easy kills, easy atta boys, and easy base taking. noobs joining, understandably join team with numbers, and then are shown by the existing players that the way to play the game is to not fight, and they should be praised for it. leading to what we have now. these changes are aimed at turning this game to how it was intended, not how it has been exploited in the sake of realism and strategy. lol. sure maybe in war you looked for enemy week points and superior numbers and so on. but then again, there were always issues of supplies, spreading to thin, etc....all which are under represented in AH. also i might point out that war was never aimed at being fun for everyone involved....where as an online game is.
maybe someday fighting can be replaced with only hordes attacking undefended bases in a race to see who can capture who's territory the quickest without fighting each other. then we would have a great game right. i see alot of strat guys saying they don't like the new changes. why? why can't you adapt? why can't you guys who champion organized combat, working as a group etc, fail to take out VH,FH, deack fields, and establish cap. why can't a goon be coordinated with an attack. why must you rely on sheer numbers to capture a base. is that all strategy is to you? so instead of adapting as HT tries to bring the game back to how it was intended, some here are just going to whine that they can't have it the easy way. even with these tests looming, people go to the orange arena, and prove that even with more options, they will still give up bases so they can horde and vulch at another. nobody ever stops to think that maybe HT did not intend for his game to be capturre terriroty without any meaningful fighting. so here we are, i say AH has fallen from it's glory days, when fighting for things meant everything, and replaced by "generation" of i want it all as easyily as possible. that is what gameplay has eroded to, and i that is what HT is trying to fix. so go ahead, argue that you want to be able to do away with anything that might make for more balanced play. anything that might make fighting and capturing something you might be proud to accomplish. lets go back to the old way, where people just said they liked to capture bases (like FT) because it was a challenge. then when you offer them a real challenge, complain about it.
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ghost
sir for this post. as i have said to u many times on 200 i agree with you totally on this. as all the numbers show. LWblue is where the vast numbers of players want to be. i really think HT is way to smart to risk his customer base on those very few that like the present changes. look at the numbers since the splits EW only a very few there MW even less, now orange is getting fewer numbers. so why should people pay the play in a game in an arena they dont like? first they will just log off then they start cancelling those accounts because they dont play any more. my point is, yes he has tryed to make the game play better, but in reality it has made things worse for the majority of his customers. lets just see if any thing else can be done that would bring back the better days of AH.
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Ok, it's been covered, but I'll add my 2 cents. If Orange is the arena of choice, the numbers will support it. We "vote" by entering the arenas of our choice, and I love the options.
I don't love not being able to get into Blue. Now that orange is a different format, please unlink the two LW arenas. I don't want to be forced into Orange arenas testing...I want to be able to get into Blue when I want.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Hub, I'm becoming more and more convinced, despite HTC's efforts, that the times have passed us by and AH has evolved into a game that is run by the horde, with the purpose of 'winning the war', racing to the reset, and that those of us looking for more then that, are in the minority and clearly out of touch with what matters to the masses.
I'll confess to being discouraged at this point. I'd like to write it off to playing too much, but I haven't been. I find myself logging on and then logging off after a couple flights.
It's on me to find the fun, and with the way things are operating in the game right now, I'm hard pressed to find the fun I enjoy in it.
I don't know the answer and based on what appears to be the majority of players, what I enjoy and what they enjoy is different.
Hopefully I'm just tired and cranky and I'll see it differently tomorrow, but it's felt that way all week.
I think this is the best expressed opinion/rant from a "furballers" point of veiw. Nobody is really wrong or right, the game just went into a different direction than some of us would have liked. Oh well, that's the way of things.
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"why can't you adapt? why can't you guys who champion organized combat, working as a group etc, fail to take out VH,FH, deack fields, and establish cap. why can't a goon be coordinated with an attack. why must you rely on sheer numbers to capture a base"
Funny how someone else has to "adapt"?
Most DO work as a group from what I've seen.
Sheer numbers? You honestly think 2 or 3 escort fighters and a goon are going to have an ice cubes chance in hell of taking a base?
Think about that for a minute.
As stated many times before, this IS a game. It is not real, no one dies or even gets injured, however one thing IS real and that is frustration.
I don't have all the answers to make things "equal" and "fair" in the arenas, maybe they'll never be fair.
There is the element of human nature that most times will prevent this from being a "fair" fight or logical thinking.
I for one do not like to be forced or have limited choices on how or where I play. Most don't, I would prefer more of a balanced arena, but I know a lot of times this doesn't happen. I have been playing this game for over 5 yrs, have witnessed many, many changes. Some good, some not so good.
Maybe after all this data from players, newcomers, new arena setups, whines and complaints and failures & victories it will give HTC feedback on something maybe over-looked OR reinforce what they already know.
Just my 2 cent
p.s. I still think the Wirbelwind will even things out and make everyone happy as can be, but that's just ME;)
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Originally posted by belethch
ghost sir for this post. as i have said to u many times on 200 i agree with you totally on this. as all the numbers show. LWblue is where the vast numbers of players want to be. i really think HT is way to smart to risk his customer base on those very few that like the present changes. look at the numbers since the splits EW only a very few there MW even less, now orange is getting fewer numbers. so why should people pay the play in a game in an arena they dont like? first they will just log off then they start cancelling those accounts because they dont play any more. my point is, yes he has tryed to make the game play better, but in reality it has made things worse for the majority of his customers. lets just see if any thing else can be done that would bring back the better days of AH.
dunno, i think it may be a number of factors. we have seen over the years, and is probably true for any online game......people hate change regardless of the aim/goal. people are just far more comfortable doing things the same way, it's the way they've been doing it for long time. the problem may be if the type of gameplay we are experiencing is beneficial over the long run. how long accounts stay active, and how many new accounts are created. basically, does the current set up offer the majority of players a challenge that will hold their interest for the long run, and also provide new players a reasonable chance to enjoy the game. the purpose of the test is not to see which arena is more popular, it's to test how different setting will affect gameplay.
i remember somewhere HT saying that he tries to give players what they really want, which isn't always what they ask for. HT has been interested in side balancing for awhile, thus the creation of eny......i'm not sure eny worked well enough, hence the introduction of some new options. so, it's not a new issue that appeared one day. it existed in the old MA, and still exists to this day.
my opinion is that many people get tired of taking under defended bases after awhile, game offering less challenge and prematurely close their accounts. on the other side, maybe many noobs log in, lack the skills to fight against a large number imbalance, so they join the imbalance. maybe they find the game lacks meaningful challenge to them and close their accounts prematurely.
at any rate it goes beyond what people are used to, they way they've always done something, versus what is best for the future of AH. maybe what's best for AH is me joining many of the other "furballer" labeled people and just rest my case.
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Originally posted by MOIL
"why can't you adapt? why can't you guys who champion organized combat, working as a group etc, fail to take out VH,FH, deack fields, and establish cap. why can't a goon be coordinated with an attack. why must you rely on sheer numbers to capture a base"
Funny how someone else has to "adapt"?
Most DO work as a group from what I've seen.
Sheer numbers? You honestly think 2 or 3 escort fighters and a goon are going to have an ice cubes chance in hell of taking a base?
Think about that for a minute.
As stated many times before, this IS a game. It is not real, no one dies or even gets injured, however one thing IS real and that is frustration.
I don't have all the answers to make things "equal" and "fair" in the arenas, maybe they'll never be fair.
There is the element of human nature that most times will prevent this from being a "fair" fight or logical thinking.
I for one do not like to be forced or have limited choices on how or where I play. Most don't, I would prefer more of a balanced arena, but I know a lot of times this doesn't happen. I have been playing this game for over 5 yrs, have witnessed many, many changes. Some good, some not so good.
Maybe after all this data from players, newcomers, new arena setups, whines and complaints and failures & victories it will give HTC feedback on something maybe over-looked OR reinforce what they already know.
Just my 2 cent
while i agree with alot you said, just 2 things.
1. sheer numbers= 30 guys attacking 10.
2. a coordinated attack i might imagine as having a few bombers, some jabos, fighter cover, a goon, and maybe a back up goon. people have specific targets, ack, town, etc. with new set ups, most attacks i see rarely involve legitimate attempts to capture a base. i see quite a bit of fh's and vh's going down. ack sometimes killed. town left up, and when hangars come back up it becomes vulch fest.
3. while the freedom to do what you want is nice, it is somewhat abused in that as soon as defense is mounted, a large portion of the attack just moves to the next undefended base and resume previous tactics. this is all the strategy there is atm.
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I might like it better if the map in orange, Compello is it? had the bases closer together and didnt have so many trees. Getting low in there is a frame rate killer even with graphic details notched all the way back.
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Originally posted by sgt203
The point of the post is about choice...
Having a choice of how you wish to play is part of the fun...
Philosophically I agree with that 100%. Unfortunately, in the real world, absolute freedom equates to absolute anarchy. Given no paradigm within which to operate unmitigated freedom of choice can actually degrade a system to the point where, ironically, the chaos itself limits freedom.
If constraints are put in place to selectively allow freedom but curtail it to the point where crucial elements such as game balance don't get completely out of wack, then the maximum amount of people can be free to do as they choose the maximum amount of time with a minimum disruption of freedom to the disenfranchised minority. There are always going to be those that are or feel that they are disenfrachised even in and often especially in an environment of pure freedom of choice. We all remember the crazy days of Rooks RJO's back in AH1 as a case in point...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Fugitive I belive this new system is primariliy a way to bring large maps back into rotation with out haveing the 200 people on one of those large maps spread here and there rolling bases in 3's and 4's with no resistance.
I would guess if HT go's for a system like this that it would be in all arenas at least on the large maps... I see no reason that the small maps need this system as the small maps already channel fighting well the way they are and I have told HT as much.
Understood Flayed1, and if it works as HT hopes, then there WILL be times that there will be a big map in each of the LW arenas, what then?
I think those that are holding on to the "easy way" of doing things are going to have to come to grips with this idea that HT wants more strategy, more planning, more excucution of plans. Gone are the days when you come to a base and just pick a target with your bombs then vulch till your low on gas. Planning, target assignments, and timing is going to win the day, not just conga lining it in.
The game had gotten to "gamey" in that there were too many dive bombing lancs, de-ack then vulch parties, and such, that took away from the original intent of the game, which was a combat simulation game. The community didn't control this downward spiral of game play, so HTC has stepped in to try and bring it back to what it was intended as.
Lets face it, with the way the game was going, it was turning into a kids play ground like "Quake" or something. Most kids get tired of things and move on to the "next best game out there" what ever that may be. This isn't good from a bussiness point of view as I don't think we have as many coming in as a kids game does.
On the other hand, having a more structured gaming environment will retain more people who are more into the game from the historical point of view. Some of the kids might actuall stay do to the challange they find. Out thinking the enemy is always a lot more fun than being able to fire as fast as you can to kill "him" before "he" kills you.
Its a new world here at HTC, might as well enbrace it, and try to enjoy it, because whining about it ain't going to get ya any where!
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My nick is Thrawn and I support what LTARghst and Flayed1 said.
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There's no such thing as a base without defense... The base will flash when anything (Even NOE) comes within like 12 miles of it. If you do not watch the map or if you choose to ignore the map, the loss of the base is your own fault.
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I'm just not happy being forced to fly in an arena that I don't like, ie Orange, But yall know me when am I ever happy. Blue Stays full because just like a said before, The Masses are speaking to the HTC crew, Life will go on, Sun will come out, but in my little AH world I'm not happy. I think it has just been way to many changes way to fast for us to keep up.
That Is All
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Its a new world here at HTC, might as well enbrace it, and try to enjoy it, because whining about it ain't going to get ya any where!
What a load of B.S. some of you few who like Orange would just love you see something like this wouldnt you, kinda reminds me of the guys you ask to not bomb TT VH's well what do you know they are down again. Someone of you just hate seeing others have fun that is the biggest problem I see here. Nuff said!
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Originally posted by LTARghst
Its a new world here at HTC, might as well enbrace it, and try to enjoy it, because whining about it ain't going to get ya any where!
What a load of B.S. some of you few who like Orange would just love you see something like this wouldnt you, kinda reminds me of the guys you ask to not bomb TT VH's well what do you know they are down again. Someone of you just hate seeing others have fun that is the biggest problem I see here. Nuff said!
see something like what? ya, we just hate seeing others have fun, that is such a shame:rolleyes: you really hit the nail on the head with this one.
out of curiosity, how would you explain taking FT? it was because it was a challenge, or because it would ruin the fun for others? using that as just an example.
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I'm not sure I understand the direction of this whine. Is this about unequal numbers? Is the problem the wrong map in one arena? Is it the wrong time of day (or more likely the wrong time of month)? We need to be more specific in these whines or it becomes harder to get squelched. A little more specificity and a lot more anger would push this along nicely. BTW, a good Stilton goes nicely with a tawny port.
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Seems simple to me, I don't want to embrace anything. HTC was giving me the product I wanted in the previous system...the one that's in effect a blue.
I was happily playing in that arena, and I was happily giving them my $15.00 US a month to do so. Hopefully they are just as happy to take it.
To detractors that insult myself (or at least generally people that prefer LW Blue), by saying we don't like challenges or aren't "really" strategy players I say, "So?". Even if it's true, it's totally irrelevant. Why we play the way we play or why we like to play a particular system has no bearing on the fact that we happily play that way and happily give HTC our money to do so.
Heck, if HTC had a crashing-a-jeep-into-a-wall arena that a large group of players like to participate in (and pay $15.00 a month to play in), as long as it was profitable, what in gods name do you think would motivate HTC to shut it down or change to the generally precieved detriment of it?
Same thing with orange and blue. What makes some of you guys that like the orange system think that HTC is going to apply it to blue arena? So you guys can get a cheap ego boost through your vicarious attachment to a freaking arena setting?
For crying out loud, EW arena draws about 20-30 people at a time and they keep that. LW blue draws hundreds...as is. Not only that, but obviously some people like it so much ...as is...that they are taking the time to express their concerns about not being able to play in it here an now.
The solution to this wouldn't be to make them dislike the product further by denying them total access to the system they like playing in. It's probably to give them more access to it.
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Pluck,
Have no idea what you are getting at but for your info I enjoyed FT myself. Hate to see it not in the maps.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
What makes some of you guys that like the orange system think that HTC is going to apply it to blue arena?
What makes you think he won't?
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Originally posted by LTARghst
Pluck,
Have no idea what you are getting at but for your info I enjoyed FT myself. Hate to see it not in the maps.
lol, at this point i'm not sure if i do either, way too much whiskey and *cough* some beer. i'm just gonna gracefully walk away:) err should i say stumble.
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I like orange, and I liked FT, and I liked TT, but more than anything, I liked taking a heavy fighter to TT and bombing people.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
There's no such thing as a base without defense... The base will flash when anything (Even NOE) comes within like 12 miles of it. If you do not watch the map or if you choose to ignore the map, the loss of the base is your own fault.
How do you suggest a country outnumbered 2-1 cover all those bases?
The Horde is what it is. OK so I see the base flashing and I auger my 38G as I'm apt to do and rush to that field. Up I go knowing the mob is just that, with alt and E while I'm having to race along the deck in hopes of getting enough speed up to at least have a chance.
Tonite was a good example. Some of us were defending 221 cause it kept flashing. For a while it was ok as the numbers were relatively even in that sector. But Rooks had 100 guys to the Bish 50. Where do you suggest those of us defending get another 50 guys that quickly so that we can spread them out evenly to cover all our turf?
We fought em off for a while, but it gets tough, and not much fun getting mugged by 4-5 guys who have the drop on you everytime. Boom the VH is gone and then the FHs.
Any other suggestions for that flashing field when numbers are like that?
It's all well in good, and I'll accept the responsibilty when the numbers are even or even reasonably close, but I can only fly one plane at a time and in a 2-1 numbers disadvantage you can only cover so many places.
How is that my fault again?
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Is it possible that a change to radar is more in need to the old MA style arena then a new base capture system?
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"while the freedom to do what you want is nice, it is somewhat abused in that as soon as defense is mounted, a large portion of the attack just moves to the next undefended base and resume previous tactics. this is all the strategy there is atm."
And why do you feel this might be?
Thanks
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Originally posted by Warchief
There are quite a few issues with the current set up as is.
I never did care for the Arena Split. I understand the reasons but that is not what this post is about. My biggest issue is the same as Ghost. I can not play where I want to play and if my squad mates and friends are in an Arena that is full I have no right to tell them they cant have fun and go to Arena they dont want to.
I pay $15 a month to play this game the way I choose to play it for over 3 years plus now. During all that time the main thing that kept me around was being able to play this game the way I want to. But now we are unable to have that choice and that is where the underlining problems lie is. We are no longer able to fly with who want to or when we want to due Arena Restrictions. Instead we have to stop doign what we enjoy and do something that we dont want to do in order to group up. We long into arena and ENY hits us. Of course some might say well switch sides. Well I honestly think that if the Arena sizes was not restricted then that would no longer be a problem. Just somethings to consider
By the way I have played the Orange Arena. I enjoyed the challenge. But the funny thing is this. I dont remember in any War a side saying by the way we are attacking the field and just this one. With that set up you do not discourage Horde Mentality but in fact promoting it. The problem with that Arena is not the Arena itself. But the fact that once again we are being limited in our choices in a setup/game that should not have in restrictions to it.
Would majority play in the LW arenas? I do believe they would. If you want to take the best on then you want to face them in your a/c against there best a/c. For me I prefer the Hurricane IIC and consider myself a descent stick. If I was limited to flying something else in came across someone like SHawk and he shot me down then in the end my desire to face the best in AH in my aircraft and an Arena of my choice can not be done. Luckily enough for me I dont have to worry about it.
I look for to some replies btu I challenge people to do this. Come up with a logically and straight forward answer to why we should be limited on what we want to fly, what we want to fly against, what arena we want to fly in, and finally if we are paying $15 a month to fly the aircraft we want in the manner we want as advertised by HTC then dont you think we should be able to that when want to and not when someone else says it is ok.
I agree with you on all the points you mention. Hopefully we can come to some sort of satifactory solution.
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And let us not forget that the orange arena is a test arena at the moment. For those that like it, I hope it stays.
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"There are always going to be those that are or feel that they are disenfrachised even in and often especially in an environment of pure freedom of choice. We all remember the crazy days of Rooks RJO's back in AH1 as a case in point..."
I'll agree, but it was not the fault of the Rooks for the RJO days, it was the rest of the arena for not getting together and countering it OR coming up with thier own JO's. IMO
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MOIL guess then we would have had to convince all the Bishops to defect to Knight or vis versa every sunday night to equal the once a week behind the sceens agreed upon extra ordinary influx of Rook players who otherwise would not have upped any night of the month.
I suspect even HiTech may have not allowed for the possiblity of so many squads agreeing to swamp the arena and make over all game play unrealistic. So in that case player cooperation efforts for Rook at the time may have hit a maximum effort HiTech only looked at as a theroetical possiblity.
Still, HiTech needed to retain control of his environment for the basic need of making a buck to pay the bills.
So MOIL, in stead of telling the rest of us it was our fault for not adapting. Tell HiTech,, how was he going to pay the electric bill and keep the majoritiy of players Knight and Bishop combined happy and engaged so they would keep coming back? One country, once a week making the game untenable and worth only logging off does not attract old players to stay or new ones to unless they are part of the super hoarding country.
But MOIL like everyone who drives a car, everyone elses problems on the road don't concern you as long as you can keep driving unhindered. But you will volinteer a plethura of opinions about other drivers habits when they infringe on your journy.
Puleeese volinteer an opinion on how HiTech was going to keep the lights lit with one country super hoarding equal or larger to the combined numbers of its 2 protaganist countries????????? After all when we logoff we don't worry about any more than our $14.95 a month. Hitech worries about multiple thousands a month along with customer retention and daily/long term happiness of customers.
So MOIL tell the Bish, Knights and HiTech how we all should have handeled Rook JSO back in those wonderful old days?
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Originally posted by bustr
So MOIL tell the Bish, Knights and HiTech how we all should have handeled Rook JSO back in those wonderful old days?
back in the old bad pre-split days we fought the rook JSO, we lost but we fought them, isn't that what it's all about, fighting?
being outnumbered one night a week seems more of a challenge than a deal breaker.
BTW, i tried to get into blue several time last night, it was always full, watched TV instead.
44MAG
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What makes you think he won't?
Uh, I totally already covered that in my post.
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THRAWN .... May I suggest you look at the help files. You can do that here under "getting started" or in game in tower under "web page help" on the clipboard. Go to "Game information" / "Clipboards" then scroll 1/2 a page. The new capture system is on there.
Alot of that help file is out dated yet this has been added. Get ready mate because, in the words of a movie advert, the new system is coming to an arena near you.
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Originally posted by LTARghst
Its a new world here at HTC, might as well enbrace it, and try to enjoy it, because whining about it ain't going to get ya any where!
What a load of B.S. some of you few who like Orange would just love you see something like this wouldnt you, kinda reminds me of the guys you ask to not bomb TT VH's well what do you know they are down again. Someone of you just hate seeing others have fun that is the biggest problem I see here. Nuff said!
I've never said I liked the new system. I find it a bit too tight, and with the lack of co-ordination of the county its a bit boring, and on top of that I fly Rooks most of the time and its hard getting the kills before all those friendlies get there before me :rofl
On the other hand, I see the need for the new system as this will bring more maps into the rotation.... which is what everyone wants at this point. I don't know whats invovled with approving new maps, but it must be a big enough project that adding a restrictive capture system to the already approved larger maps was a quicker "fix" to bring in more maps.
To have more maps at this point will mean that on an occasion you WILL see the new capture system in BOTH LW arenas. While Im not a big fan of this, Im willing to give it a shot, which is pretty much the reasoning behind my posts, way whine about it, its coming, and you might as well get use to it. Change is inevidible, and if you don't like it, you can go fly the other flight sims...... oh ya thats right, there are no other flight sims worth flying :lol
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
and with the lack of co-ordination of the county its a bit boring,
And therein lies the problem.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Get ready mate because, in the words of a movie advert, the new system is coming to an arena near you.
If you are implying that HTC is going to switch the blue arena to the new settings, what makes you think that?
Heck why would you want them to? If you happily playing on those settings in orange, why would you care what people play on in blue?
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From what HT has said the main reason for the new system is so he can bring back the large maps. If this system is tweeked enough and we come up with a workable system I would guess that it will be put into place in all arenas on large maps. I have been working on some ideas to make it a little more free form but still concentrate players that I hope HT will like.
Last night ThndrEgg and I were in orange and planning and running missions in orange and the only reason we couldnt take the bases we went for is that we couldn't get cooperation from the rest of the bish other than the squad memebers that were online with us. The plans would have worked and a couple times we were at the point of droping troops but with not enough people to take care of planes and GV's going for town we just couln't quite capture the bases. We even mounted a long range NOE run on A52 or 57, don't exactly remember the # but it was a bish zone base that was left out of the line by HT on accident. We had the town down but in the time it took me to get the goon to the town 10 Knights had uped and 6 low mossies and 110's wern't enough to hold off the defenders.. I even had the goon landed by the map room and if we had just had a couple more people it would have worked.
I do agree that the Rooks having the same #'s as bothe other countries combined is a problem but if you look at it even with all those #'s night after night have they really been able to do much with them? I havn't ever been rook but judging by the almost succesfull missions that just a few Bops ran I would guess there isn't much organisation going on in the rook side and the only way they are taking bases is by pure brute force with no real thought put into it. I think if they had any real organisation they would have reset the map by now.
At first I didn't like the new system but after a while I could see where it had some possibilities and decided that instead of fighing the change I would do what I could to try and make it better. Thndregg hated it so much that he would just log into blue but after the revision was made to the system he is now able to see what I see to some degree and that missions are important to success now. We are just frustrated because of the lack of participation and that people seem to prefer Blue...
We were thinking on this and really the only thing we could think of is that people don't want to think about how to take a base other than either join the horde and SMASH, BASH, KILL!!! or constantly sneek base after base,
Now I know this is a strange point of view coming from a couple BOP's but we have discovered we enjoy using our heads to take bases and mess up another countries resourses.
I know the new system isn't perfect but I feel with some more work it can supply something for all types of players.
Anyway this is just my point of view and I know some will never agree with me but I can try. :)
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Originally posted by bustr
MOIL guess then we would have had to convince all the Bishops to defect to Knight or vis versa every sunday night to equal the once a week behind the sceens agreed upon extra ordinary influx of Rook players who otherwise would not have upped any night of the month.
I suspect even HiTech may have not allowed for the possiblity of so many squads agreeing to swamp the arena and make over all game play unrealistic. So in that case player cooperation efforts for Rook at the time may have hit a maximum effort HiTech only looked at as a theroetical possiblity.
Still, HiTech needed to retain control of his environment for the basic need of making a buck to pay the bills.
So MOIL, in stead of telling the rest of us it was our fault for not adapting. Tell HiTech,, how was he going to pay the electric bill and keep the majoritiy of players Knight and Bishop combined happy and engaged so they would keep coming back? One country, once a week making the game untenable and worth only logging off does not attract old players to stay or new ones to unless they are part of the super hoarding country.
But MOIL like everyone who drives a car, everyone elses problems on the road don't concern you as long as you can keep driving unhindered. But you will volinteer a plethura of opinions about other drivers habits when they infringe on your journy.
Puleeese volinteer an opinion on how HiTech was going to keep the lights lit with one country super hoarding equal or larger to the combined numbers of its 2 protaganist countries????????? After all when we logoff we don't worry about any more than our $14.95 a month. Hitech worries about multiple thousands a month along with customer retention and daily/long term happiness of customers.
So MOIL tell the Bish, Knights and HiTech how we all should have handeled Rook JSO back in those wonderful old days?
If you remember (maybe you don't) LTAR played for Nits for 3yrs and at the time the RJO was in place. No one likes to be bombarded by numbers, but it happens.
What I was saying was it wasn't any suprise that the Rooks had numbers on Sunday RJO, it was a well known fact.
The other "fact" was a lot of players seemed to throw in the towel or just log off due to Rooks numbers.
There are many squads on the Nits & Bish that will tell you we were right there "fighting" to the death no matter what the odds.
Many, many times myself and others would attempt to bring squads and groups together to put up resistance or take bases.
The unfortunate problem was most didn't listen or wanted to just run around and do their own thing.
This is fine, but don't start whinning when you get your butt kicked due to not reading the map or playing as a large coordinated group.
As far as "But you will volinteer a plethura of opinions about other drivers habits when they infringe on your journy." I call laughable.
First off as one of many vets of the game I always tried to bring coheision and teamwork to the chess piece we were playing for.
If there's any one group that has been beaten into submission time & time again it's the LTAR's. You go ahead and ask anyone in the arena what squad has had their "journey" infringed upon more than anyone.
I think we hold the record for the most ordinance dropped on our heads than anyone else.
Then again what do I know...........
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Flayd, you've probably done more that any other player to help everybody in this game. <
> to you, and all of the BOPS, for that matter. You have continued to make maps, and help Hitech, even after the BOPS were being slandered for being a "mega squad", and for gaming-the-game.(Not to open an old wound, surely.)
However, From everybody I've talked to in blue, The real main reason they are there now is because of a matter of principal. I've flown in Orange some; I noticed that with lower numbers, the capture system works better. With a full arena, people dislike the too-large a fight it generates. But, I digress.
As I've stated, it's mainly a matter of principal. The vast majority of players do not post on this BBS. You have to log into the individual arena's to really check the weather in the community as a whole. Many simply feel that the game is succumbing to the whim of the few, and by consistently keeping Blue full, and the others empty, will make HTC change everything back.
As HTC has posted, tomorrow, Dec. 11th, will inaugurate an ENY based side balancing feature. I cannot reliably predict the future, as no man really can. However, from what has been happening on ch. 200, It is not being recieved well. We face the possibility of not being able to fly with squaddies, or other friends. I should like to hope that I'm wrong, But all of the signs point to even more rough water ahead.
I don't think that after this, the caps will really mean as much, because you'll see squads going to whatever arena they can get into, and still fly with each other. I imagine that all the arena's will probably fill up to about the same numbers, more or less.
Anyway, thanks again for all of the hard work Flayd. :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yes very funny when introducing a new system apparently nobody seems to want ;)
The first few days Orange was the most populated arena by a big margin, until people went back to Blue...
first few days was the most popular???
you msut be using that new math.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What makes you think he won't?
prob because enough people dont like it that HT wont want to lose the business. like DUH geez apply some brain power here folks :rolleyes:
Why not have both types, then the furballers and the cap guys are both happy. no brainer! :aok
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Originally posted by Flayed1
From what HT has said the main reason for the new system is so he can bring back the large maps.
What would be the point in a large map with low numbers and limited options for tactics/strategy?
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Originally posted by President
first few days was the most popular???
you msut be using that new math.
its because it was a big map... and everyone was sick of small maps.
however now the novelty has worn off and everyone wants to be in blue. but since its always full, i fly in MW, or play another game.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
What would be the point in a large map with low numbers and limited options for tactics/strategy?
I agree :cool:
With the cap system in orange, it basically makes a big map into a small map again.
maybe if players could choose the cap bases like i seen someone else suggest :cool:
many seem to want large maps, and the traditional cap system - not small maps with cap any or large maps with cap few - they want large maps with cap many
personally i dont care because i go and furball in orange sometimes but go in blue with friends and do captures - its all good
but if it were all orange - then it wouldnt all be good
Just what is it about having a large map and cap any that HT doesnt like? is it too much for the server to handle or something?
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