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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on December 11, 2006, 08:38:19 AM
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I thought Angus might find this interesting (considering his name, and stance on global warming. ;)
The UN claims (as some of us on this board have in the past) that methane from cows does more damage to planet earth than automobiles. One could make an arguement that "cows are owned by humans, thus humans are doing the damage" I suppose...either way, car emissions will get better over time, but what about cow emissions?
A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.
The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation, entitled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.
More of the article can be read here, but be forewarned, we're talking about a UN report.:confused:
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece
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They musta got some huge kickback from peta to change alliences so fast. you don't buy off the UN with chicken feed.
lazs
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Well, I still blame the USA for eating so much BBQed beef :furious
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You can also blame the EU for mass production of products that are not consumed. From memory there's some 30% of dairy products that we throw away each day.
There was a tornado in London last week, and it's still above 5 degrees C in this 'supposed-to-be-frostland' ... global warming isn't happening, it's all in your little democrat brains... right.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Well, I still blame the USA for eating so much BBQed beef :furious
Better blame Argentina first, they eat more beef. ;)
Table 1. Per Capita Beef Consumption,
Selected Countries, kgs
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Country 1995 2000 2005
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United States 44.6 38.9 39.5
Argentina 60.7 56.7 55.1
Australia 36.0 34.1 34.2
Brazil 36.7 35.5 37.4
Canada 34.1 30.5 29.3
Europea/ 11.8 11.7 12.6
China 3.4 4.5 5.5
European Union 19.9 16.4 15.4
Russia 22.9 20.2 21.9
S. Korea 9.2 11.8 14.2
Former Soviet Union 16.9 18.4 19.8
Japan 12.1 11.9 12.8
Mexico 20.1 20.5 22.9
New Zealand 28.5 30.3 31.4
a/ Central and Eastern Europe
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Originally posted by Saintaw
You can also blame the EU for mass production of products that are not consumed. From memory there's some 30% of dairy products that we throw away each day.
There was a tornado in London last week, and it's still above 5 degrees C in this 'supposed-to-be-frostland' ... global warming isn't happening, it's all in your little democrat brains... right.
Again, I will reiterate: Not many people I know of, in my personal life, and this board, disagree that global warming is happening. What we're debating is how much humans have an impact on global warming, and how much is naturally occuring. But don't let that get in the way of a good sterotyping rant on your behalf.
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I don't question whether or not it's happening, but I've always questioned the plethora of theories that cause it or even if it's reversible.
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I don't think Al Gore is going to be happy about this.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I don't think Al Gore is going to be happy about this.
:lol
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That report is why cows must DIE and be grilled. Mesquite would be just dandy. :t
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Save the planet. Eat more burgers.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Better blame Argentina first, they eat more beef. ;)
Table 1. Per Capita Beef Consumption,
Selected Countries, kgs
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Country 1995 2000 2005
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United States 44.6 38.9 39.5
Argentina 60.7 56.7 55.1
Australia 36.0 34.1 34.2
Brazil 36.7 35.5 37.4
Canada 34.1 30.5 29.3
Europea/ 11.8 11.7 12.6
China 3.4 4.5 5.5
European Union 19.9 16.4 15.4
Russia 22.9 20.2 21.9
S. Korea 9.2 11.8 14.2
Former Soviet Union 16.9 18.4 19.8
Japan 12.1 11.9 12.8
Mexico 20.1 20.5 22.9
New Zealand 28.5 30.3 31.4
a/ Central and Eastern Europe
Ripsnort, this doesn't take into account that while south-american beef are skinny and don't have much grass to eat, US cattle is oversized, lives in warmed and carpeted cow stalls (with intardnet access and HD-TV) and receives way too much food! :D
Seriously, for once detractors and followers of this theory will all agree that this global-warming-by-cows is just.... another big pile of BS :aok
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:rofl
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the EPA should require catalytic converters on the butts of all cows.
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Originally posted by john9001
the EPA should require catalytic converters on the butts of all cows.
By placing the mouth of a liberal over the butt of a cow, you would essential filter out all the bull****.
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Originally posted by john9001
the EPA should require catalytic converters on the butts of all cows.
And the mouths of most posters
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UN = Union of Nincompoops
Still, if they really think cows are that much of a threat to the world, I'll have to do my part and eat more steak.
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soooo... If I go shoot a cow or two I can still drive my big block El Camino?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
soooo... If I go shoot a cow or two I can still drive my big block El Camino?
lazs
Use eco-friendly lead-free ammunition.
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You people are fools.
Obviously, in addition to switching to hybrid vehicles, we must all become vegetarians. This is the only way to reduce the number of cattle needed... it's okay, your life style will adjust.
Man your salad bars, I'll begin preparations for the cowicide campaign.
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bumper sticker...."save the cows"
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I believe the proper term is Bovicide:
Otherwise you will end up with far too many frustrated and angry bulls.
(http://www.keltawebconcepts.com.au/clipart/animals/cartoons/small/Bull%20-%20Crosseyed%201.gif)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I believe the proper term is Bovicide:
Otherwise you will end up with far too many frustrated and angry bulls.
(http://www.keltawebconcepts.com.au/clipart/animals/cartoons/small/Bull%20-%20Crosseyed%201.gif)
Gotta keep the Bulls. They keep the matador population in check. How many guys in dress capes do YOU want running around?
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Originally posted by indy007
Gotta keep the Bulls. They keep the matador population in check. How many guys in dress capes do YOU want running around?
Does this mean that bullfighting will now be politically correct?
How do you balance out the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions with PETA?
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Originally posted by indy007
Gotta keep the Bulls. They keep the matador population in check. How many guys in dress capes do YOU want running around?
How do you tell them from the rest of the Euros?
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
And the mouths of most posters
Not you, of course.
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Nice troll Rippie, and it's not Pinochet's fault...or?
Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas, and indeed the cows do fart it.
So suddenly they started farting methane parallell to the industrial revoluton, and on top of that, only the domestic cow of recent time (bos taurus) will do that.
Nope.
Take the USA. It was covered with ruminants, by the millions. Yes, the buffalos. Okay, kill them all, clear some scrub, and replace with cows as much as possible. Difference?
Go one step further. Cultivate the rich ground as long as the ground yealds some old nutrition into new stuff which becomes starch. (corn, wheat etc).
Use the starch for cheap cattlefeed (very effective feeding), the cattle grow like popcorn, but actually fart a lot worse.
So it boils down to the price of yer burger after all.....yes...cow conspiracy :D
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Vegetarians are killing the Earth!
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Hybrid Cows:D
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
Hybrid Cows:D
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/8668097/212680527.jpg)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
You can also blame the EU for mass production of products that are not consumed. From memory there's some 30% of dairy products that we throw away each day.
How do you guys sleep at night with the millions starving in china and err other places?
On the bovine methane thing, someone should tell the un that lightning ignites and burns the methane off... thought that was common knowledge
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Dont fish fart?
There must be more fish in the world than cows. Fish doesnt give you gass either so i suggest you start eating more fish and chop the nuts of all the cows so they dont breed.
Chop a cow nut, eat a fish and save the world.
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Dont MAKE me quote Carlin again LOL
the EARTH is fine
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Dont fish fart?
Dunno but they do piss and crap.
Which is why I will never drink straight water without it first having been sterilized with Alcohol ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I will never drink straight water without it first having been sterilized with Alcohol ;)
that makes sense!
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My head hurts... it's all so confusing...
How is a person to know what is the right thing to do to stop all this global warming and misery? The guilt is allmost too much to bear!
perhaps we can get the UN to just put out a list of all the bad things we should all stop doing and we can go by that and feel good about ourselves again?
vor... lead oxidizes on the outside quite rapidly (whitish powder) and does not further oxidize or contaminate the ground around it. If this were not true we would not find lead bullets from say the civil war or revolutionary war buried for centuries and in perfect shape with no lead contamination around the site.
lazs
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Does this mean that bullfighting will now be politically correct?
It's not? :huh I guess Pleto my championship fighting Rooster is probably considered a bad thing too.
How do you balance out the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions with PETA?
Collateral damage during the Cowicide Campaign. Furthermore, we can confiscate their stray animal killing equipment to further our own cause.
...I should pass out signup sheets.
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Since we're in on methane (3 main greenhouse gases are methane, CO2 and...water (with the given temperature)), modern cowfart has this to tell:
1. Ruminants were abundant in ancient times.
2. Fossil fuel wasn't.
3. Ancient ruminants farted.
4. There were no cars farting.
Okay? No, not yet. The main mass of Methane is tied up in the permafrost near the N-Pole cap. That's enough to make a farting cow completely silly.
The newest news is that the polar cap on the north is expected to be...GONE...in 40 years. And there is the reason why so many a global warm worrier getts the goosebumps,- that is possibly enough methane to get the glosbe into a vicious circle, - hotter areas will release massive amount of steam, which is a global warming gas as such, etc etc, untill you have water hitting the boiling point. From there, there is no return, the estimated equilibrum is a whooping temperature of melting lead. Nice little Venuses brother.
Anyway, good to bring methane up. Yes it is a warming gas, released by not only cows, but several sources, - it's a price we pay in that form for cheaper McDonald's etc. Oh, sheep are ruminants too.....
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They don't fart it, they burp it.
(never missing the chance to say "fart" and "burp" in the same sentence)
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Myelo of AH? My old squaddie from as old as Lone Wolfs?
Fart, burp, - emit.
By the way, a cow creates as much as 200 litres of saliva per day. However that's a rotational thing. Just something similar happens with rotting vegetation, - (xcept trees with a proper trunk, - never miss the chance to use the word "trunk" :D). So this is a bit complicated, - but forests would be better than burping cows. Anyway, the fossil fuel thingie is a tad simpler, but not too simple. Increased CO2 boosts up plants in sunnier (and warmer also) areas, they get the plant suger they're after (the C) faster, - they need less photosynthesis for the gramme so to speak.
Actually, flower growers and generally greenhouse growers (industrial sizes) use CO2 to enhance growth. Up here at least. But they can turn down the valve of the gas cylinders when we get a good breath air from the continent of Europe. (Industrial Zones, - even 2000 km away, in a good wind, the CO2 will jump upwards!)
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Originally posted by lazs2
vor... lead oxidizes on the outside quite rapidly (whitish powder) and does not further oxidize or contaminate the ground around it. If this were not true we would not find lead bullets from say the civil war or revolutionary war buried for centuries and in perfect shape with no lead contamination around the site.
lazs
I was thinking about the cow, who would probably have a severe reaction to fast moving lead. Better to use depleted uranium and err on the safe side of environmental awareness.
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From Lasz:
"vor... lead oxidizes on the outside quite rapidly (whitish powder) and does not further oxidize or contaminate the ground around it. If this were not true we would not find lead bullets from say the civil war or revolutionary war buried for centuries and in perfect shape with no lead contamination around the site.
lazs "
It stays....mostly, - but consider that very little quantity is needed to count as poisoned. That's why some countries vote for different ammo - especially shotgun pellets, - because of the mass fired and the scattering.
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Didn't the Earth emerge from an ice age before there were automobiles? Musta' been the farts!! I'd say global warming has been occurring for quite some time now. Perhaps I'll ponder this over a nice steak.
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You know it occurs to me that after a night drinking beer. The er... resultant er.....emissions are adding to global warming too.
Mind you, that's not a good enough reason for me to give up drinking beer. Perhaps someone could come up with an environmentally friendly beer? A green beer if you like:aok
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Not to worry. A mini Ice age is OTW
National geographic-Study warns Mini Ice age May be comming soon (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1130_051130_ice_age.html)
"The study supports computer model predictions suggesting that global warming will switch off the North Atlantic current in the next 50 to 100 years
Still, Quadfasel said, "This observation is really important, even though it's at the limit of accuracy. The main message, I think, is right."
Many scientists have predicted this effect. Global warming already appears to be injecting more fresh water into polar seas due to increased precipitation and the melting of the Greenland ice cap.
This freshening of the North Atlantic current makes its waters less dense—so they don't sink down to depths at which they would then be transported back south.
As result, the circulation stalls, with warmer water no longer being drawn north.
Measurements of salinity levels in the North Atlantic over the last 50 years show "a significant trend toward lower salinity all over the place," Quadfasel said.
Evidence from prehistoric times shows that it is possible for northern air temperatures to drop by 10ºC (18ºF) within decades.
These abrupt changes are intimately linked to switches in ocean circulation, experts say
New Scientist - Failing Ocean Current Raises fears of Mini Ice age (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8398)
"The ocean current that gives western Europe its relatively balmy climate is stuttering, raising fears that it might fail entirely and plunge the continent into a mini ice age.
The dramatic finding comes from a study of ocean circulation in the North Atlantic, which found a 30% reduction in the warm currents that carry water north from the Gulf Stream.
The slow-down, which has long been predicted as a possible consequence of global warming, will give renewed urgency to intergovernmental talks in Montreal, Canada, this week on a successor to the Kyoto Protocol"
Seems its happened before
Hoover Institution, Stanford University -Warmer Days and Longer Lives (http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/history_health.html)
And a rather exellent read on the last one
Scott A Mandia Assoc Professor -physical sciences - The Little Ice age in Europe (http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html)
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Even though lazs2 will probably scream, Thunder Ranch has required "eco-friendly non-lead ammo" ever since moving from Texas to Lakeview, OR. Given the sheer number of rounds fired at their Texas facility, I can easily see why. Clean-up on that scale would consume plenty of time and cash. Though to be honest, using some of the V-type bullet traps would solve the problem just as easily. Plus the spent bullets/brass can be recycled and trainees don't have to worry about their zero going to pot by requiring non-lead ammo.
As far as the cattle are concerned... why am I reminded of SeaQuest DSV?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Not to worry. A mini Ice age is OTW
like OMG bf2142 WAS RIGHT!!! :eek: (some wont get the joke)
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In deep dimentia:
Sees Cow mounted on Gantry nose up at Canavral.
Pictures NASA Tech with lit fusee telling his Co -Worker that a couple more pounds of Hay should do it.
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hehe, here's Craig Ferguson's view on this....as well as Mariah Care(y)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxJ_aodR9s&mode=user&search=
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Ok... so to make the global warming religious nuts happy...
We have to quit driving cars, stop eating cows and not shoot real bullets.
Bet they find sex somehow caused climate change next.
lazs
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nono, it's cliMAX change :D
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Originally posted by Angus
Myelo of AH? My old squaddie from as old as Lone Wolfs?
Yessir that would be me. Tell the cows I said hey.
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Nice ;)
I will. I am actually so sad from this thread that I sold them all, and only have 7 left :cry