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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: President on December 11, 2006, 05:06:49 PM
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The forum is a lot of beating up on hi tech for his recent changes – and a lot of folks that appreciate his hard work – and the team for their bar b q :lol
But here’s the thing – he is getting it right…. but you can never please all the people all the time… so you try to please the majority … and you do that by giving the player choices.
Hi Tech has changed the game, and now there are MORE choices for YOU, the player!!!! :aok
Think about it…
To help balance countries, he had to do something, and he did, he did it a way that GIVES YOU CHOICES! U r not forced to change sides… u have the choice of WAITING in que or chancing sides. Aint that better than having something forced on you???? Think about it!
To help balance arenas he created 3 war periods! That’s SMART if you think about it. Tired of being HO’d my LA7’s? Go to midwar or early war? Hey I think the better sticks fly in early and mid anyway – AGAIN, you got CHOICES
Tired of small maps? Go to the Orange Furball zone – hey it’s a BIG map!
And the ENY doesn’t take anything away folks, it actually gives you CHOICES, like
Change to another arena, change country, or stay with your country and fly restricted plane set. So you can CHOOSE what is more important to you, a low ENY plane, or your favorite chess piece, or flying with the squad!!!!
GEEZ FOLKS GIVE HIM A BREAK - He has put a lot of thought into this. Sure I see other suggestions from folks that don’t realize that program code and tech barriers such as server capacity and so on prevent some of the ideas from being possible
I mean, don’t u think that HT Skuzzy and the crew are considering anything possible and trying to please as many people as possible?
Stop, take a breath…. And give credit where it is OVERDUE. :cool:
THE END
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get real
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i KNOW i cannot type what i am thinking right now...
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rabbit bouncing along happily in the woods. captured by a wolf. wolf brings the rabbit back to his den. says to the rabbit: I can eat you now, I can have my wolf pups eat you now, or you can stay here overnight and be eaten tomorrow morning. what a great wolf. he is giving the rabbit CHOICES
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ummm.....
you mean choices like "get in zee oven or ve shooot you" type of choices? ;)
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You guys are just unbelievable ! Its just a game !!! President didn't mention one other choice you have......
LEAVE ! and don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out !
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"get in zee oven or ve shooot you"
Is this over the top? I can't tell.
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and the sky has fallen yet again.
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i didnt pay for this game, i payed for Aces high.
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ur right pres but dont let the negitivity of the message boards represent a majority of ah players because it doesnt..
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Originally posted by TW9
ur right pres but dont let the negitivity of the message boards represent a majority of ah players because it doesnt..
Actually think back to the very old days....all these choices were already there....
The only new choice is having a smaller plane set to fight with/against by choosing your arena.
Only thing about it all though, was that not enough folks chose to balance it out, so we got ENY, et al....
So I will agree with you on the multiple arenas, but not much else. Those other choices were already in place.
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Originally posted by trotter
rabbit bouncing along happily in the woods. captured by a wolf. wolf brings the rabbit back to his den. says to the rabbit: I can eat you now, I can have my wolf pups eat you now, or you can stay here overnight and be eaten tomorrow morning. what a great wolf. he is giving the rabbit CHOICES
WOW, what a flare for the dramatic!
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Originally posted by TW9
ur right pres but dont let the negitivity of the message boards represent a majority of ah players because it doesnt..
hmmm thats why blue is always full and people are waiting to get to blue instead of going to orange..... hmmmmm;)
its also why EW and MW are "empty" mostly.
sorry, but players "spoke" by staying with what mostly resembles the old MA, and thats LW blue.....
people like the choice... they like to choose what to fly..... the like to choose what they attack....Its not just because they want uber rides.
its the same as any other game, if you had a choice of a 10 player server or a 32 player server 90% of the players would choose 32 players server.
i like fighting people, not ack (EW/MW).
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Ok I admitt it .........I have never even noticed the "balance" problem many speak of....what is it ..whats the definition??? now I've noticed the closed areana problem.....I've noticed the "eny" problem...But please tell me what the difinition of a "balance" proplem is ..Seriously!
999000
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Balance problem? 999000?
That is when people don't like fighting odds. It's when the guys who like the base capture side of the game actually have to fight more than they want to in order to capture a base. Which usually means they'll give up. It's also the loudest people griping long enuff to where it becomes a problem , even tho many were happy and doing fine. Its about a few "Squads" that dont fly together half the time and fight one another and think the fact that others dont do that is stupid and there loser whinning chess piece loyalists. Its a matter of Gameplay and everything being "Equal"
Its about 50 people attacking 20. Of those 20 of course 3 , 4 , 5 , perhaps 6 are just laffing and having a great time , while the Generals are sitting on their 20k perches saying how bad things are going. Shouting orders from the tower on country channel about how "Bad" the numbers are and how they actually have to fight to get things done. Griping about people doing thier own thing and not helping to Win The War!!!!!! Even tho keeping a big ole furball going for 2 or 3 hours is helping cause its keeping those 10-30 guys off thier buffs and away from what they wanted to do anyway.
Balance is logging in to find some of your squad...all having a great time flying around...while you sit in the tower being # 12 in the que. Waiting for your spot to fly. Course its the squads that like to fly together , even if all they do is fight in fighter 90 percent of the time. They doont tool shed yet it's thier faults that the numbers are all off anyways. Just ask anyone. It doesn't show that only 3 or 4 of your squad was on and you were still that 12th guy in the que.
Balance is You 999000 being expected to change countries and find Tater and fight him. Because thats whats best for the community and gamplay. GAmeplay for a few here is beyond a doubt the most important thing ya know. Must win the war , or have equal numbers in furball area. Blance is logging off because you can't fly with your buds and eventually all that is left , is one arena. With about 50 people in it. Paying 250.00 a month....to fight one another and a Balanced arena.
Theres more....but that ought to get the flames going REAL good and hot.
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Originally posted by Overlag
hmmm thats why blue is always full and people are waiting to get to blue instead of going to orange..... hmmmmm;)
its also why EW and MW are "empty" mostly.
sorry, but players "spoke" by staying with what mostly resembles the old MA, and thats LW blue.....
imo the people joining blue has nothing to do with the old way and more to do with the fact they fear dying in an online game which is sad.. instead of actually trying to be good at this game they choose easy mode, flying with hordes attacking undefended fields and thinking they're good..
personally i hope the chain is implemented in all the arena's.. and if a majority of the horde loving noobs quit so beit.. i didnt like killing them at a 4-1 clip anyways.. unlike them i prefer a challenge..
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Redtop ..I really do love you man!
999000
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Originally posted by TW9
imo the people joining blue has nothing to do with the old way and more to do with the fact they fear dying in an online game which is sad.. instead of actually trying to be good at this game they choose easy mode, flying with hordes attacking undefended fields and thinking they're good..
personally i hope the chain is implemented in all the arena's.. and if a majority of the horde loving noobs quit so beit.. i didnt like killing them at a 4-1 clip anyways.. unlike them i prefer a challenge..
So the only way to get better or test yourself is to log into an arena with 5-20 other people? Who like you say are milkrunning? So there might be a few folks actually fighting....ummm sounds like the DA to me.
But you shouldn't be killing them that fast, they are in the easy mode arenas right? Or are they over in EW getting better? Hmmmm....pot, kettle :aok
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Originally posted by zorstorer
ummm.....
you mean choices like "get in zee oven or ve shooot you" type of choices? ;)
Thanks a lot! I just spit beer all over my keyboard. That's the funniest post I've read in a while. :lol
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Gents and ladies...
Years back I used to play AWIII.
Got out because puters were gettin' fast and I reside in area where no internet high speed....:cry
Now high speed is at my door step:aok
I've surffed the internet hoping to find a good WWII flight sim and I found it:D
I do like the early war arenas unfortunately not too many players show up.
Would love to fight in A v A but then again not enough players....
Then many times I need to scrap and head in the Orange and late arenas.
There I get sometimes disapointed because I get JUMPED/SHOT down by muscle planes that don't even belong in the same era/theatre of my favorite plane. Keep in mind that I'm not an ARCADE player. I don't give a HOOT about scores. Sometimes I have 2-3 kills and don't even bother RTB ! I simply love scrapin' with planes that matches my plane's PROS and CONS...
Anyway, I'm fairly new to all of this and I am very happy that I have found this GAME ! Maybe with time I will become competitive and perhaps I will see the negative points that some of you are saying...:rolleyes:
BUT for now " HATS" to ALL of you who are INVOLVED putting this game together.:aok :aok
If I had the COMPUTER knowledge that some of you have, I would step up to the plate and OFFER my skills and free time to assist you TRYING to make more players happy !
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !
OPP7755
Phil
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Originally posted by zorstorer
So the only way to get better or test yourself is to log into an arena with 5-20 other people? Who like you say are milkrunning? So there might be a few folks actually fighting....ummm sounds like the DA to me.
But you shouldn't be killing them that fast, they are in the easy mode arenas right? Or are they over in EW getting better? Hmmmm....pot, kettle :aok
did i ever mention going to ew? dont think i have.. i was speaking of chosing Blue over Orange but feel free to twist my words however u wish.. it doesnt matter what arena they're in.. the arena isnt why i kill them fast.. its because in the year i have been gone they havent developed any skill whats so ever fighting with the hordes attacking undefended bases..
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
You guys are just unbelievable ! Its just a game !!! President didn't mention one other choice you have......
Nobody forced anyone to pay and play this game...
U can always take the monthly fee and rent movies
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
OPP7755
Phil
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Originally posted by Overlag
i didnt pay for this game, i payed for Aces high.
What many don't understand is that Aces High is essentially a living organism that is constantly changing and will change again in the future. No change comes easy, all changes have a period of adjustment and that period of adjustment varies with the individual.
It will outgrow some people, not everyone will be able to keep up.
Mark
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Uh I dont think he is giving us chocies, I think he is just forcing this on us
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Originally posted by CLW81Z
Uh I dont think he is giving us chocies, I think he is just forcing this on us
lol forcing u? like the other guy said.. u could always quit if u dont like it that much :D ..
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I sense another mass exodus of tardlers, then another mass influx of same tardlers with new game IDs.
:D
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Originally posted by TW9
imo the people joining blue has nothing to do with the old way and more to do with the fact they fear dying in an online game which is sad.. instead of actually trying to be good at this game they choose easy mode, flying with hordes attacking undefended fields and thinking they're good..
personally i hope the chain is implemented in all the arena's.. and if a majority of the horde loving noobs quit so beit.. i didnt like killing them at a 4-1 clip anyways.. unlike them i prefer a challenge..
theres plenty of fights happening in blue.... and orange is full of hordes also.
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I didn't mind the two-minute wait before I was able to fly when I went into the arena last night. This is something I can live with.
I have come to appreciate the increased AK at the airfields also.
The biggest problems I have with the game, as it is now, starts with the collision model and ends with the endless rotation of a small handful of maps over and over again.
The Perk'ed ordinance system rumor is still circulating, something I don't think Hi Tech handled very well. There is now a fan club for the realization of a perked ordinance system spawned from what was some kind of ridiculous practical joke.
I do, however, have one question about the new player wait arena balance system. I get disconnected frequently. Will I have to wait in queue each time I restart the game? Is there a way to have the game give a player a two-minute "place holder" in the event of loss of connection?
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Hey prez......don't let this out.....Hi tech is not a him its an it. Geez, you sound like that other president.
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
What many don't understand is that Aces High is essentially a living organism that is constantly changing and will change again in the future. No change comes easy, all changes have a period of adjustment and that period of adjustment varies with the individual.
It will outgrow some people, not everyone will be able to keep up.
Mark
my problem isnt change. never has been. it's the chaos that has become the game in recent months. it is paying to be a beta tester. it is hopping on to fly a sortie at lunch and finding that i cant get into the arena with my friends because a new que for side balancing is being tried out. its the lack of appreciation for the general decorum of notification that most companies seem to do well at.
maybe it's the expectations of the larger market for consistancy that represent the real change here.
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Your problem isn't change, it's just more than one change at once?
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Still waiting on you President.................... ..
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im guessing that u cant afford ht's scotch so this is the way u suck up...
lol jk
but im not..
maybe i am...
hmmm.........
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Your problem isn't change, it's just more than one change at once?
no it's paying for a product and having that product changed without any prior notice. (often and without any determinable care as to how it might be handled in a manner better representative of a business as opposed to homework)
when i pay for it and then suddenly get something else. well that just chaps my butt. especially when i have only a very short window to relax and the thing that i had expected to relax me turns out to be some new derangement of what was already becoming a cluster to begin with.
look. i am an artist so it isnt like i dont understand the creative process. i do.
i have put out some mutts in my time, but rather than overworking a peice it is usually better to put it down and make something else.
thats how i feel about this. ACES HIGH was pretty much a complete model that everyone was used to. a forward thinking body might be like...okay...whats next?
lets make a new game. then the feedback is yes or no. i play or i dont.
the old one isnt ruined.
this isnt some esoteric art, this is product. when i do commercial work my clients tend to get rather pissy when i make decisions and big changes after they have already signed off on something. as well they should i might add.
my point? i liked the game enough to be around for a while. anyone who has been here for long has too.
now i am starting not too.
not because i dont like the new ideas, but because they belong in another generation...another game or another set of choices.
point in fact, the only change that i didnt mind so much was the base taking order...because it wasnt GLOBAL ...i didnt HAVE TO DO IT to play.
sheesh. why in the heck should i have to pay to be a beta tester?
thats what i mean.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
ummm.....
you mean choices like "get in zee oven or ve shooot you" type of choices? ;)
freaking hilarious!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
it is now my sig!!!
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I've just gotta laugh at all the people blaming the community for not playing the game right.
The community is playing the game the way the community thinks the game should be played. Keep throwing monkey wrenches in the works and people will still find a way around them (as demonstrated by this futile, ill-thought out flailing around in an unsuccessful attempt to get folks to play "the right way" :furious that we have seen over the past couple of weeks).
I also have to laugh at the people who swore that they loved the new early war plane set, that it was the best thing since sliced bread, seems like there were a lot more of them than the 35 or so die-hards you can still find in that ghosttown on any given night.:rofl
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are my eyes playing tricks on my or is that a pug in a sombrero?
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I like my Rocky Road ice cream with walnuts.
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BGCowboy.. Waiting for the film. Put your money where your MOUTH is :)
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I didn't pay to sit in a QUEUE.
As i sit here, this being my 15th minute in a queue, i cant help but wonder why im paying to sit....why am i paying to sit, and wait, so that i can fly with my squad, as part of a country whose members i've come to know well...
I read the first post....something about giving us all more choices....in reality, the change takes choices away from us....where before, we had the choice of flying bish, rook, or knit, I now have the choice of flying rook...not much of a choice in my book....well, i could of course sit in line as a bish, and i could of course sit in line as a knit...but i cant fly BLUE as either for...well....whats been at least 15 minutes.....
Of course, I do have the choice to go to orange arena right? and leave my squaddies in the blue arena.....so that i can have a choice of attacking 2 different bases as opposed to any that i may see fit.....
Before you think im completely negative about everything, I have seen one change that i think benefitted the community...this being the arena split into early/mid/and late war periods...why was this a good change? Because it forced NOTHING on the player...
CONTRADICTION, HI-TECH, is something that you've begun to show...you changed the orange arena to a pre-determined base taking path to (as i remember hearing) make the game more playable with fewer players....at nearly the same time, you tripled the ack capacity of airfields, and added ack to towns...thank god you havent done the same with vehicle fields, otherwise, it would be impossible for a group of 3 or 4 dedicated pilots to take a base....
Your orange arena change was a success (or was it?)....
ORANGE has become a victim of the "novelty effect"
It was cool for awhile because it was different, it was something new that the players werent used to and so they played it....it made for larger scale furballs than those before it which lasted significantly longer. On top of that, you've got this so called novelty effect...now that players interest aren't peaked by the newness it once had.... its kind of like going and buying a new toyota camry....for a month or so, you're awed by the car because its really cool and has lots of features....after that month you begin to realize that it really is nothing more than a toyota camry, and nobody is excited about it any more...not even you.
Yes, i realize people still play in the orange arena, not everyone has left it.
But there are a significant number of players that play this game, and for a significant number of players to play in the BLUE, a similarly sized group must also be in the ORANGE to raise the limits of blue....otherwise, we are left with the choice of flying orange, or waiting for blue.....and most of us didnt pay to sit in a QUEUE.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I sense another mass exodus of tardlers, then another mass influx of same tardlers with new game IDs.
:D
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol I Bet U R right on the Money! :aok
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Originally posted by Silat
Still waiting on you President.................... ..
You look to pick a fight tard?
grow up
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Originally posted by DeadSpy
I didn't pay to sit in a QUEUE.
A
Then switch country tard.
I didnt pay to go in an arena with 100 bish and only 10 of us rooks
how about i will pay hi tech for both of us, and you can go play pacman
:noid
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DeadSpy: You might wish to get your facts straight, are you under the impression that Orange is not exactly the same as blue at the moment?
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Originally posted by President
Then switch country tard.
I didnt pay to go in an arena with 100 bish and only 10 of us rooks
how about i will pay hi tech for both of us, and you can go play pacman
:noid
What's your ingame ID?
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I've made up my mind already; I've no need for facts.
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you get a big old SALUTE for that comment
Originally posted by RedTop
Balance problem? 999000?
That is when people don't like fighting odds. It's when the guys who like the base capture side of the game actually have to fight more than they want to in order to capture a base. Which usually means they'll give up. It's also the loudest people griping long enuff to where it becomes a problem , even tho many were happy and doing fine. Its about a few "Squads" that dont fly together half the time and fight one another and think the fact that others dont do that is stupid and there loser whinning chess piece loyalists. Its a matter of Gameplay and everything being "Equal"
Its about 50 people attacking 20. Of those 20 of course 3 , 4 , 5 , perhaps 6 are just laffing and having a great time , while the Generals are sitting on their 20k perches saying how bad things are going. Shouting orders from the tower on country channel about how "Bad" the numbers are and how they actually have to fight to get things done. Griping about people doing thier own thing and not helping to Win The War!!!!!! Even tho keeping a big ole furball going for 2 or 3 hours is helping cause its keeping those 10-30 guys off thier buffs and away from what they wanted to do anyway.
Balance is logging in to find some of your squad...all having a great time flying around...while you sit in the tower being # 12 in the que. Waiting for your spot to fly. Course its the squads that like to fly together , even if all they do is fight in fighter 90 percent of the time. They doont tool shed yet it's thier faults that the numbers are all off anyways. Just ask anyone. It doesn't show that only 3 or 4 of your squad was on and you were still that 12th guy in the que.
Balance is You 999000 being expected to change countries and find Tater and fight him. Because thats whats best for the community and gamplay. GAmeplay for a few here is beyond a doubt the most important thing ya know. Must win the war , or have equal numbers in furball area. Blance is logging off because you can't fly with your buds and eventually all that is left , is one arena. With about 50 people in it. Paying 250.00 a month....to fight one another and a Balanced arena.
Theres more....but that ought to get the flames going REAL good and hot.
:aok
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Originally posted by President
Then switch country tard.
I didnt pay to go in an arena with 100 bish and only 10 of us rooks
how about i will pay hi tech for both of us, and you can go play pacman
:noid
IN your owns words you have the choice of logging off. Then again I didnt pay to have the choice of not flying with my squaddies either.
HiTech read what RedTop wrote. He is dead on.
:aok
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Originally posted by Warchief
IN your owns words you have the choice of logging off. Then again I didnt pay to have the choice of not flying with my squaddies either.
HiTech read what RedTop wrote. He is dead on.
:aok
u can fly with your squad, u just have to wait .
or u and your squad can switch countries
or u and yor squad can switch arenas
remember hi tech's idead #2 was to have the game make you change your country when the one was full. u dont want that do you? this way u choose.
hi tech is under pressure to do something. he has to try and pick the best and possible way to do it. u do not make things easy for him
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i think the old eny system was better way of doing things than making people switch,wait,or change countrys atleast everyone got to fly with old ENY
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Originally posted by President
remember hi tech's idead #2 was to have the game auto switch your country when the one was full.
Link? (Please)
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:noid
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Logged on last night normally fly knight. I sat in queue checked to see where my squad is flying switched to rook....and went hunting:t It was a good time, my squad is intact no big freaking deal. Their is plenty of oppertunity to fly when and wherever, with or without the squad. If this is the way the game is going to evolve so be it! I think the their is only two options here.
1. Go with it and deal and make the community better with your participation.
2. cancel your subscription and start your own world war II flying sim and operate it the way you want!
The bottom line is this. Sure some veterans may leave along with disgruntled noobs. But in the scope of things the game will still be here and it will still evolve over time, and their will still be little biotch:cry trying to persuade the rest of the community to see it their way. Ultimately HTC will determine the course and content of this sim and that is that:aok After all people this is a game and if the content is creating such discord in your pathetic little lives, up your meds or maybe get a life!
fellow Grognards:noid
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Originally posted by hitech
DeadSpy: You might wish to get your facts straight, are you under the impression that Orange is not exactly the same as blue at the moment?
fair point,
but does it also show people like larger numbers?
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Originally posted by President
Then switch country tard.
I didnt pay to go in an arena with 100 bish and only 10 of us rooks
how about i will pay hi tech for both of us, and you can go play pacman
:noid
i've only been in game only ten months,
but Do you know all the facts to this statemen tand arguement, have you flown in old MA?
if you have been in game for a fiar amount of time you will have realised people become friends in this game, you appear to not have seen this side of game
p.s. quit obsession with word tard:lol its kinda funny tho
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why not just forget the side balancing and the ENY system and have free unrestricted flight??:furious
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Originally posted by Donzo
Link? (Please)
Believe he's referring to this post, appearing in the "Arena Balance" thread. I don't recall anything about "autoswitching" in any threads lately.
Originally posted by hitech
Currently having 2 different thoughts.
1 Go back to my original idea of having a wait time between flights based on country balance. This would put the same numbers in the air at one time.
2. Write the cant fly in this arena unless you changes sides.
3. Say screw it, turn off ENY and let everyone complain.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Link? (Please)
heres the link:
http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193990
post #7
Hi Tech says:
Currently having 2 different thoughts.
1 Go back to my original idea of having a wait time between flights based on country balance. This would put the same numbers in the air at one time.
2. Write the cant fly in this arena unless you changes sides.
3. Say screw it, turn off ENY and let everyone complain.
the cant fly message means u cant fly unless u change sides.
i like #1 a hole lot better :aok
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or let hubs beat me to it :D
shouldnt have said auto swtich though
should have said - makes u switch
#1 gives you a choice
#2 just tells u waht to do
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Originally posted by President
heres the link:
http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193990
post #7
Hi Tech says:
the cant fly message means u cant fly unless u change sides.
i like #1 a hole lot better :aok
what happens if you need to grab an osti at a v-base because you see M3 close to map room, or for any defensive procedure. this would further incourage stagnant dogfihts, alt clinging, and running away if you dont have 200% advantage.:noid
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You understand that if you can't fly, you're the country with the overwhelming advantage, right?
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Originally posted by President
heres the link:
http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193990
post #7
Hi Tech says:
the cant fly message means u cant fly unless u change sides.
i like #1 a hole lot better :aok
Ok, thanks.
Please for the sake of keeping this thread informative and somewhat accurate, get your facts straight before posting:
Originally posted by President
remember hi tech's idead #2 was to have the game auto switch your country when the one was full. u dont want that do you? this way u choose.
And what's your ingame ID again?
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Originally posted by President
or let hubs beat me to it :D
shouldnt have said auto swtich though
should have said - makes u switch
#1 gives you a choice
#2 just tells u waht to do
and #3 is the best idea of them!
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See Rules #5, #4
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See Rules #4, #5
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wers the choice in being sat down in a tower?
what your saying is out of the fire abnd into the frying pan attitude, neither is right.
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i give up.
hate it or love it, it is the way it is.:aok
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This one is done.