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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: sparow on December 11, 2006, 05:58:57 PM
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We should have at least one seaplane of each country (US, UK, Germany, Japan, Italy and SU) and use them mainly to pick-up pilots in the drink and launch troops( by dinghy or chute) for captures. No submarines yet, so pointless to have ASV features...
The S&R of pilots should be a very highly rewarded activity, in points and perks, popular to those who like to RTB keeping kills, points and perks.
There could be a kind of trade here, like: - I get you out of the water, you keep your score, but I get your points and perks...
Of course, getting shot down before delivering the package would be a total loss for all...
No submarines yet, so pointless to have ASV features...
At least the ubiquituous Catalina!
Sparrow
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Sea planes would be freaking kewl!
then we coulg get the fatsarse Kawanishi H8K "Emily" a big fat four engined IJN sea plane studded w/ 20mm cannons, so yes it can defend itself :D
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/h8k.htm
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armament: 20 mm Type 99 Model 1 cannon in bow, dorsal and tail turrets and two beam hatches, and 7.7 mm Type 92 machine-guns in ventral, port and starboard fuselage sides and cockpit hatches (H8K2, H8K3 and H8K4).
Accommodation: Crew of ten (H8K1 to H8K4). Crew of nine and 29 passengers or 64 troops (H8K2-L).
S&R would be freaking fun as well! I've seen it tried in the H2Hs rather fun trying to find the speck of a downed pilot in a canyon.
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When somebody's shot down they're not going to wait 30-50 minutes for a SAR to get to them when they could have towered, upped, landed 5 kills, upped again, and landed 5 more kills in the time it took to wait for the SAR.
Not to mention there's no point for the SAR folks, either.
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But sea planes would still be kewl.....
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You just say that because you want the H8K so badly :)
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:D
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Y'know, for all the talking up the H8K gets over the Catalina, a bunch of them were actually shot down by PBYs during the Guadalcanal campaign. The Emily can't boast the opposite...
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Actually, I like the seaplane concept. It would give ports a more active role in the game (i.e. as a seaplane base). The Japanese had a floatplane version of the Zero that was quite a respectable fighter. Bigger planes like the PBY and H8K could be used in the bombing and anti-shipping role, as well as to drop supplies/troops. Finally, it would provide an ASW platform (once subs are introduced).
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@Saxman
Ah, but this isn't Guadocanal, this is AH, its a whole nother ball game. And I nvr Talkd up the H8K over the Catalina, we need em both!
@Sabre
Indeed.
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Neither one serves a purpose in AH. We have no shipping, no ASW, no need for fleet escort or SAR. None of these are aspects of this game. Really no reason to put seaplanes in.
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I may be mis understanding you but you make it seem as though they have NO practical use, simply because there are no subs or SAR ops.
I disagree,
they are heavily armed "C47s", bombers, and fighters that can take off from ports.
Yes we have no shipping (though there are barges, idk wut they do though) ASW or SAR. But i'm sure that they could probably get to emy CVs alot faster than the bombers and fighters that have to take off from inland airfields would.
Most of all they would be fun.
ALso, i'm sure that if we had them, they'd be very much appreciated when your airfield is capped and there is a port near by.
not that their ONLY uses would be to quickly attack CVs or as a last ditch place to up and try to save a capped based.
Instead of serving no purpose, they actually give purpose to something that has very little purpose right now, ports.
my 2 cents
PS: screw the H8K and PBY we need t3h Hughes H4 Hercules, imagine 750 fifty troops comin to take your precious base, lol, hey if we ever get the M4 then we could take those wround with it too!
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1 word, Immersion!
Anything that adds to this adds to the game.
Anything that takes away from this steals from the game.
Idiots babbling about football game on 200 = immersion killer.
Seeing a H8k Flying boat taking off = Immersion builder.
K?
Any questions?
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I like the idea. You could also use them to bring supplies out to a damaged CV.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Neither one serves a purpose in AH. We have no shipping, no ASW, no need for fleet escort or SAR. None of these are aspects of this game. Really no reason to put seaplanes in.
Found on the Internet re: PBY Catalina:
"During WW-II, they were rigged for bombing, strafing, and torpedo runs."
Why couldn't they do that?
BTW, I also like the idea of using the ports as seaplane bases although the Catalina could also be equipped with wheels making it versitile in this area.
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sounds like a great idea for the ports mabey some one go ahead and get scotch to bribe ht:lol
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Bring the Rufie to defend the ports!!!!:D
Seriously, seaplanes would make ports worth going after. Even if you don't get the CV group that is attached to a port, it is still usefull as a launching point for seaplane attacks.
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Sounds cool. I believe they would add a new (if small/niche) dimension to the game. As was already mentioned, the floatplanes could have the ability to launch from Port bases as well as Carrier Task Force groups (and, in some cases, normal airfields). The Northrop N-3PB would actually give the Ports the ability to launch fighters (albeit, slow ones).
Arado Ar 196 – Light Attack Floatplane (Germany)
Max speed: 200mph
Armament: 2x 20mm cannon in the wings, 1x 7.92mm MG on the fuselage, 1x 7.92mm trainable rearward firing MG, 2x 50kg bombs.
CANT Z.506 Airone – Bomber Floatplane (Italy)
Max speed: 217mph
Armament: 1x 12.7mm MG in dorsal turret, 1x 7.7mm rearward firing MG, 2x 7.7mm trainable lateral-firing MGs, 1200kg of bombs.
Heinkel He 115C/D – Torpedo Bomber Floatplane (Germany)
Max speed: 215mph
Armament: 1x 15mm forward firing cannon, 2x 7.92mm fixed rearward firing MGs, 1x 7.92mm trainable forward firing MG in nose, 1x 7.92mm trainable rearward firing MG in dorsal position, 2000+ lbs of torpedoes/bombs.
Northrop N-3PB – Convoy Escort Floatplane (USA)
Max speed: 260mph
Armament: 4x .50cal MGs in wings, 2x .30cal MGs (one in rear, one in ventral)
Consolidated PBY-5A – Bomber Flying Boat (USA)
Max speed: 180mph
Armament: 2x .30cal trainable forward firing MGs, 1x .30cal trainable rearward firing MG, 2x .50cal trainable lateral-firing MGs, 4500lbs of bombs.
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The AH community would like to thank you for searching. :aok
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Its a great idea. Ive had the same idea for some time. And spoken with a couple of others about it who agree. Its not much different from guys that supply bases or gvs. And for the guys bashing the idea. Go piss in your own coffee whiners. This idea doesnt serve any strategic purposes but this is a game and its meant to be fun. And If SHawk wants someone to save him and his kills dammit he deserves it. :D
I havent read all the posts on this subject, but Ill add this if no one else has. I dont know how many times Ive had to ditch kills just outside a base or even on it but not on the pavement. The SAR would work here as well if a guy could bring a jeep out to pick you up. Pilots didnt lose confirmed kills just for ditching or bailing and neither should we.
It would be great fun to have the float planes for SAR and be able to save your kills by being picked up and both the rescuer and rescuee both could benefit from the acts. And if the pilot and rescuer want to take the time out to do this thats their choice. I may not choose to do it every time, but I would certainly do it.
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Sea planes would be freaking kewl!
then we coulg get the fatsarse Kawanishi H8K "Emily" a big fat four engined IJN sea plane studded w/ 20mm cannons, so yes it can defend itself :D
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/h8k.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/h8k.htm)
-quote from above link:
armament: 20 mm Type 99 Model 1 cannon in bow, dorsal and tail turrets and two beam hatches, and 7.7 mm Type 92 machine-guns in ventral, port and starboard fuselage sides and cockpit hatches (H8K2, H8K3 and H8K4).
Accommodation: Crew of ten (H8K1 to H8K4). Crew of nine and 29 passengers or 64 troops (H8K2-L).S&R would be freaking fun as well! I've seen it tried in the H2Hs rather fun trying to find the speck of a downed pilot in a canyon.
You forgot to mention the warload of eight 250kg bombs or two 1500kg bombs or two 800kg torpedoes. You also didn't mention the 1,800fpm climbrate.
Y'know, for all the talking up the H8K gets over the Catalina, a bunch of them were actually shot down by PBYs during the Guadalcanal campaign. The Emily can't boast the opposite...
Actually, I think those were H6K "Mavis" flying boats, not H8Ks. I understand the H8K was known as "the flying porcupine" by US fighter pilots.
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Yes Yes Yes and YES.
Yes we need real water. Yes we need Rufe's at ports for scouting,defense.
Yes we need PBY's Mavis, Emily, Short Sunderland, etc.
This is the single most wanted thing on my list.
To be able to take a flying boat, or float plane, take off, patrol, bomb, etc and land again on water.
I've wanted it for as long as I've flown online, going back to 96.
Please HTC, PLEASE!
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Ghost do you have 10 year old who knows your password? :D
I agree it would be cool....not my favorite but I would fly em! :aok
Strip(er)
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Great idea seaplanes might be able to give pt boats supplies>
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Neither one serves a purpose in AH. We have no shipping, no ASW, no need for fleet escort or SAR. None of these are aspects of this game. Really no reason to put seaplanes in.
Krusty, I have to disagree with this. I was in an F6F mission a few weeks ago, and we upped from a CV just offshore from a base. There were about 25-30 people flying this mission, and it was being led by a very experienced player.
Anyway, an enemy CV turned up right next to our CV, and we sunk it quite quickly. Finally, we upped from our carrier to hit this base.
Then, I noticed that about 3 miles off our CV's front left, there was yet another enemy CV. It seemed that no one else had realised this thing was there. So I began yelling in Caps on the country channel about this CV. No one notices, and the mission leader's still on vox about hitting base. Anyway, I HO this CV's cruiser with my Hellcat, sink it, and get shot down during my egress.
Finally, the others notice this rather conspicuous cruiser sticking up a few hundred feet into the air, and sink what's left of that CV group.
If we had a PBY, this would most likely not have ever happened. Whilst the number of players who would be willing to wait to be picked up by one, or to fly them around friendly CVs would doubtlessly be a minority, I think there would still be enough of such people (for instance, me) to make this a worthwhile addition to the game.
<S>
Yossarian
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good idea, but it'll be a while..
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After reading some posts, It seems like a good idea. I like it, you got my support :aok
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No 10 yr olds here strip.
Just this particular topic I tend to get a bit excited about.
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i wouldent mind having some sea planes, such as the zero with floats wich i forgot its name, of corse
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there seems to be ALOT of we need seaplanes threads in the forums
i am totally a supporter of the whole seaplane idea
hopefully AH noticed that people really want this addition to the game :rock
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:pray
Please, please add seaplanes and S & R !
:aok
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ACHTUNG, PANZER!!! :noid
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This is awesome! Just add the Heinkel He-115 and Short Sunderland then it would be really nice. Other than that, thumbs up on the idea :aok
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I once signed up for a Midway Scenario just to run a MARPAT Squadron of SBDs. I have a blast, and was REALLY into it. But I was the only one in my unit. Everyone else just squeaked and begged to get a bombing run. So I know that Maritime Patrol isn't a very easy sell. It would require changes to the game in order to make it rewarding, and I really don't know that the interest is there to drive the change. I've always held out that if Combat Tour truly intends to bring in a different type of player, maybe Patrol and Recon Missions will be added, but until then I'm stuck.
but since this is the wishlist then how about:
(http://www.roytassell.com/images/Mitsubishi-F1M-pete.jpg) and a Japanese Cruiser to launch it from :)
-Sik
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I'm all for seaplanes :aok