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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: betty on December 13, 2006, 09:45:23 AM
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ok guys...i dont know if i should post this or not but......
i recieved a myspace comment from iceman24 this morning, i noticed he hasnt' been on in awhile but ppl just need breaks and that was what i assumed happened....
in this myspace comment i recieved, iceman said that his house got broken into while him and his gf were sleepin, he had grabbed his gun and had shot both the guys that were rummaging thru his belongings, but one had also got 5 shots at him striking him twice in the shoulder, 1 time in the bicep and 2 times in the stomach. one of the idiots that broke into his house died and the other is in critical condition. ice is currently doin ok, recovering from this event that could have taken his life, he is ok and has to have surgery. i know that as a community, iceman is a good friend to us and i just thought i would let yall know. if yall would like to read the comment he posted and read it in his own words, go to http://www.myspace.com/spoiledbrat48625
iceman, dont know if u check the bbs, but i hope that you get well soon, my thoughts and prayers r with u. i posted this to let you know that we all care bout u and cant wait to see u in the virtual skies again. take care, keep in touch <>
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Wow.....get better Ice :O
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Iceman, hope you are doing well and have a speedy recovery.
Iceman's a big guy, It would take more than .25 to take him down. You should have Ho'd them with your Hurricane...
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holy...
glad he survived!!!!
get well soon ICE!!!!
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this would be good to send national rifleman magazine for one of the "armed citizen" stories. anyone read those? they are all true stories
Originally posted by betty
ok guys...i dont know if i should post this or not but......
i recieved a myspace comment from iceman24 this morning, i noticed he hasnt' been on in awhile but ppl just need breaks and that was what i assumed happened....
in this myspace comment i recieved, iceman said that his house got broken into while him and his gf were sleepin, he had grabbed his gun and had shot both the guys that were rummaging thru his belongings, but one had also got 5 shots at him striking him twice in the shoulder, 1 time in the bicep and 2 times in the stomach. one of the idiots that broke into his house died and the other is in critical condition. ice is currently doin ok, recovering from this event that could have taken his life, he is ok and has to have surgery. i know that as a community, iceman is a good friend to us and i just thought i would let yall know. if yall would like to read the comment he posted and read it in his own words, go to http://www.myspace.com/spoiledbrat48625
iceman, dont know if u check the bbs, but i hope that you get well soon, my thoughts and prayers r with u. i posted this to let you know that we all care bout u and cant wait to see u in the virtual skies again. take care, keep in touch <>
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Wow. Made for TV movie stuff!
Anyone got a link to the news story? Must have made headlines in the DFW area.
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Should've posted this on squad site Betty. Find out where we can send a card. :)
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yes, would be cool to read an account of the incident in the local news.
link?
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Crazy watermelon meng :O
Hope ya get better Iceman....
lol @ the "you should've ho'ed em with your hurri" Comment..:lol
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in the words of the hero..
hey havent been on in a while, to make things short, two guys broke into my house while me and my girl were sleeping, i awoke and grabbed my pistol and got both of them, but one or maybe both got a shot off and i was shot 5 times by a small caliber .25 rounds, i took 2 in the shoulder that didnt go thru, 1 thru my left bicept, hurts like hell now hahaha and 2 in the stomach, one of those actually went thru, the other got lodged in my rid area, but im ok and re-cooping pretty good.... IT WAS CRAZY, happened in slow motion like on the matrix hahaha anyways i got both them ****ers, one dead and the other is still in critical condition, hope he lives so he can go to prison forever and be ganged raped all night long hahahaha, dont know how thow, i put 3 shots in the chest on the guy going thru my drawer with my glock .45 with acp rounds haha as i caught him by surprise and i didnt see the other ****er until he ran out of another bed room and started shooting at me... the police said i shot him 7 times, 4 chest hits and 1 lower stomach, and 1 1/4" in from his right head, thats the guy in critical now... the crazy part is i didnt even know i was hit until my neighbor whos a cop ran over, cause i told my girl to run next door and get my buddy todd and call 911, i didnt know if anymore ppl were inside so i was sweeping room to room like on a damn video game hahaha.... once he got there, two of my other neighbors, 1's a swat team member for fort worth and the other a constable hahaha i live by a bunch of cops its crazy those idiots would break into one of our homes, anyways once they got there and showed me i had been hit i just blacked out and woke up at the hospital... stupid gang banger wanna be's and there dumb auto 22's they had, takes more than that to kill me hahahaha, abunch of cops and stuff were all like nice shooting and all that once i woke up... anyways im getting better might be out in a few weeks or so, got a dew operations on my shoulder and ribs to romove some bullets but they say i am very very lucky to be alive, cause the stomach hit was bad, but all is gonnna be ok, tell everyone ill be back soon... see ya later betty boo :) Iceman24
SYSTEM: Iceman landed 1 kill and 1 assist with a .45 glock.
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SYSTEM: Iceman landed 1 kill and 1 assist with a .45 glock.
:rofl
Isn't he ex-army? WTFG Ice. Do what you need to do to protect you and those you love. A bullet in the gut sucks (I still got lead shrapnel in the back skull - scars to prove it) but I'm glad he's ok. Goes to prove that this was a very serious encounter.
Anyone have a news clip?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
SYSTEM: Iceman landed 1 kill and 1 assist with a .45 glock.
:rofl , so he shot them from his chute?
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2 things.
1. WTFG ICEMAN!!! Glad you got those &%*&(ing scumbags. Glad you are ok. We (Pigs On The Wing) all wish you the best and a speedy recovery.
2. This answers the question I always get from liberals I meet here in California- "Bryan, WHAT do you need a GUN for?"
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I just hope you will be ok after all of this is over Derek (Iceman). Glad your injuries weren't any worse, and am glad they used "pea shooters". I wish you a speedy recovery!!!
"Iceman Cometh!"
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Karaya
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my thoughts and prayers
Thanks betty for letting us all know I really like iceman.
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Anyone got a link to the news story? Must have made headlines in the DFW area.
Yeah, no **** Toad, that's pretty wild. I'd like to read more myself.
Charon
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Heres to hoping a quick recovery Ice and that the other idiot who robbed you lives his life in eternal pain, realizing the error of his ways.
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Hooah Iceman! Got a spot in the Rangers for ya! I'd have done the same bro, you da man.
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:aok Gotta love it when the bad guy loses
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I take it this all went down in Burleson, Texas.
Charon
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Thanks for the info!
I hope that Iceman has a speedy and healthy recovery and lack of nightmares.
S!
Rocket
Hurry Back Ice
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Speedy recovery Ice! Well done I might add
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2 words: "Denny Crane".
Oh, and "Get Well".
OK, that's 4 words.
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Get well Iceman i played with you for a while and in that time i notice you are a good man. hope you get back in shape and start kicking butt again in the game =) just hope it isnt my butt you are kicking.
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hahaha! wtg ice, get well soon and good luck with the surgery :)
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Holy cow. :huh
Wow.
I sat right across from ice at the con. Great guy. Not someone I would want to mess with, now I know for sure!
I am so glad he is going to be OK. I think I still have his e-mail at home. I will have to check. He flew with our squad in Squad Ops for a while. If someone has his e-mail send me a PM so I can e-mail him.
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My god! If thats what he can do with a blinkin Pistol, Ban him forever from a Minigun! Wow, Im impressed Ice! Speedy recovery, and be glad you got those... Buggers (Was going to use a word of less politness) before they got you! WTG!
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Iceman....
Get well soon! Our thoughts and prayers are with you!
ROX
**PigStompers**
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Wow. That's pretty freaking surreal.
Iceman24 K/D ratio 1/0
You're a lucky man. Get better soon.
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in the UK he would have got done for murder and attempted murder for protecting himself.
hell we arent even allowed to "tackle" shoplifters anymore..... just in case we hurt them..
iceman.... get well soon
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Get well soon ice. i hope you recovery quickly from the surgery. oh nice choice on the glock.
fine sir
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responded to the intruders like a true Texan should. Chuck Norris is very proud today ;)
ice and my best wishes for a speedy recovery
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Ice Hang In there Bro. Are thoughts and Prayers are with you and your Girlfriend.
Your 479th Raider Bro's
:aok
Crims
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
SYSTEM: Iceman landed 1 kill and 1 assist with a .45 glock.
:lol :lol :lol
Iceman I wish ya a speedy recovery dude, Shoulda HO'd tho...lol
Glad you and your girlfriend are well tho man!
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
SYSTEM: Iceman landed 1 kill and 1 assist with a .45 glock.
FUNNEST THING I HAVE EVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE READ
ICE Take it easy mate, glad you were able to protect yourself and your lady....
EDIT:
Oh and before someone tells me I am a bad man for laughing at a joke about a home invader being killed....
NO ONE MADE THEM GO IN...
THEIR CHOICE...
THEIR MISTAKE...
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Note to self......do not upset Iceman at the next CON....
Get well Iceman, time for an IceDoberman I'd say....ya cant be expected to go in without a wingman.
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crazy story. get well iceman.
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wtg ICE!!! MAkes this fellow Texan and .45 ACP lover PROUD! Thank God you weren't using a 9mm:D
230G
P.S.- you might want to switch to hollowpoints:cool:
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Originally posted by ALF
Note to self......do not upset Iceman at the next CON....
Get well Iceman, time for an IceDoberman I'd say....ya cant be expected to go in without a wingman.
excatly why I let him shoot me down during the 2v2 at the con, keep Iceman happy ;)
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get well soon bro
shotguns make for better effects though
BOOM
gj for pwning those noobs
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Glad to hear he's alright. Thanks for taking down a scumbag too.
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Glad to hear that you're ok ice.
Get well soon.
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I hope iceman24 is recovering well.
did anyone ever find a news source relating the details of the event? Did the one bad guy survive and will there be court procedings against him?
I cant log on to the myspace link provided but where their any links there on myspace link to the resulting news story of this valiant act of self defense?
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That's the odd thing Yeager. I would like to read more details as well, but it's just a black hole in the DFW area where such an incident is concerend. The only thing that pops up consistantly is some c-store clerk robbery event. I'll keep looking though.
Charon
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Yes please post a news link if you find one. Though maybe where he lives it is a common occurrence. :)
excatly why I let him shoot me down during the 2v2 at the con, keep Iceman happy
LOL Air!
You get a big hug next time I see you at the con ice! Shot you an e-mail at home. Hope it has not changed!
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Well it is ABSOLUTELY a great item to send in to the NRA's Armed Citizen column in their American Hunter Magazine.
If anyone has the link, it can be submitted to the NRA and they'll publish it both online at and print it in American Hunter.
Check out this page for submittal if you have a a link.
http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx
Click here < armedcitizen@nrahq.org > to submit a link to a story on the internet of law-abiding Americans using firearms to halt or prevent crime. If you have had a firsthand "Armed Citizen" experience, please call NRA-ILA PR/Communications at 703-267-1193.
Or I guess Iceman could just give NRA a call at that number and tell them the story. It's a great one for sure; he deserves some recognition.
It's not too often you hear of one like this.
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Originally posted by daddog
Yes please post a news link if you find one. Though maybe where he lives it is a common occurrence. :)
No way this is common! This is incredible! It's almost beyond belief!
Somebody should get a link to NRA.
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LoL Daddog :lol
I searched some yesterday, but only found a bunch of stuff about a convience store robbery. without knowing the exact date its hard to find.
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Originally posted by Toad
No way this is common! This is incredible! It's almost beyond belief!
Somebody should get a link to NRA.
I dont know Toad, my searchs yesterday turned up a story about a convience store robbery where an armed customer shot the robber, another home invasion where the home owner shot the guy in the legs with a shotgun. and that was just the last 7 days archive for Ft Worth area.
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It's a major story though; there has to be a link somwhere.
As you point out, a robber getting shotgun pellets in the leg is news. Think how much more newsy a robber getting waxed, another getting critically injured and a shot up homeowner is.
It's out there; we just have to find it. NRA Armed Citizen material all the way.
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There was also the guy in Tyler, Texas, who shot an intruder who was in the process of breaking the front door down (in November), but it was hardly this event. Maybe the Burleson, Texas PD know something about this?
Charon
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All you people looking for the news story - you won't find one! The news media hates to print stories where guns were used by legal, law-abiding citizens to stop or prevent crime - they want us all to believe that guns are only used for bad things, and that people that have or use guns are also bad or evil. . . .
Now if Iceman had fired at the robbers, and one of his bullets missed and hit a neighbor or soemthing, you can bet your prettythang it would be all over the papers as another example of why all guns should be banned.
Get well soon Iceman - and I'm glad to see that you exercised excellent "gun control"!:aok
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All you people looking for the news story - you won't find one! The news media hates to print stories where guns were used by legal, law-abiding citizens to stop or prevent crime - they want us all to believe that guns are only used for bad things, and that people that have or use guns are also bad or evil. . . .
Not true at all. I live in a battleground state on the 2nd, where even the "conservative" press is anti 2nd, yet the coverage is always there. I know, because every time such a shooting happens I check the coverege in the two major print, one minor print and 4 broadcast outlets to see what the tone of the coverage was. Then I write my letters to the editor or producers to outline any myths or factual errors that were presented regarding firearms for self defense. The coverage is often unfavorable -- but it is always there. Man bites dog -- or more accurately -- homeowner shoots criminal -- is always big news, far more so than ganglang killing number 205. As noted you can find similar events that have been clearly covered in the DFW area.
It's odd there is nothing popping up, but odder things have happened so it would be nice to have some more details to go on with this.
Charon
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Originally posted by Overlag
in the UK he would have got done for murder and attempted murder for protecting himself.
My thought exactly. He'd get a mandatory five-year sentence for owning a pistol; and the police would want to know why his firearm was not unloaded and locked in a secure cabinet in one of the remaining half-dozen or so shooting clubs that still exist in England. The issue of personal or home defence does not feature in the news media in the UK. It is a non-issue. The newspapers treat crime as if it was an unpreventable natural phenomenon, like hurricanes or meteorite strikes. The only solutions presented to us are long-term social engineering projects that are unimplementable, immeasurable, and unquantifiable.
The newspaper headline would be "Former Soldier Kills Two", with the subheadlines "brags on internet", "violent internet games", and "traumatised". The story would mention that the man's pistol was just like the pistol used by Thomas Hamilton, even if it was not. The story would continue by saying that he was a former serviceman who had retreated into the violent fantasy world of online video games, where he bragged of "kills" and liked to call himself "Iceman". He would be painted as a monster.
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Originally posted by betty
ok guys...i dont know if i should post this or not but......
i recieved a myspace comment from iceman24 this morning, i noticed he hasnt' been on in awhile but ppl just need breaks and that was what i assumed happened....
in this myspace comment i recieved, iceman said that his house got broken into while him and his gf were sleepin, he had grabbed his gun and had shot both the guys that were rummaging thru his belongings, but one had also got 5 shots at him striking him twice in the shoulder, 1 time in the bicep and 2 times in the stomach. one of the idiots that broke into his house died and the other is in critical condition. ice is currently doin ok, recovering from this event that could have taken his life, he is ok and has to have surgery. i know that as a community, iceman is a good friend to us and i just thought i would let yall know. if yall would like to read the comment he posted and read it in his own words, go to http://www.myspace.com/spoiledbrat48625
iceman, dont know if u check the bbs, but i hope that you get well soon, my thoughts and prayers r with u. i posted this to let you know that we all care bout u and cant wait to see u in the virtual skies again. take care, keep in touch <>
JESUS CHRIST DUDE !
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"..it would be nice to have some more details to go on with this. "
Truly.
However I see that Iceman24 is logged onto the webboard right now so perhaps he's preparing a post on it!
Westy
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Originally posted by Westy
[BHowever I see that Iceman24 is logged onto the webboard right now so perhaps he's preparing a post on it!
Westy [/B]
Yep, come on slacker, details please...and how are ya?
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His friend has his laptop, and contacted us through the squad mailer...Could also have been who you saw.
Iceman is going to be ok, but it sounds like his shoulder is going to take some work to fix. From what I understand he's been allowed home on and off, but going back in for another surgery on his shoulder tomarrow.
I'll send a link to this thread so he can find it. Im sure he'll appriciate the words of support.
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Iceman sry u and ur gf had to go thru that experience. I'd thought living around all those cops etc.... u'd be a bit more secure, goes to show just how brash thugs can be. Hope for a speedy recovery for u.
sad to see no post from HT or staff wishing u get well. hmmm.
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wtg Ice Get well m8..
frickn .45 needs to be perked way over modeled :D
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Iceman get well soon dude.
Personally, Remington 870 3" Magnum with "00" buck is my choice ;-)... I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with one of dem dar pistols. ;-)
Kudo's to you! Hope the law leaves you be.
Best Wishes.
Softail
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Iceman your my hero!
...BTW..I can't help but wonder but were any of those shots HO's? get better quick..we need ya!
999000
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WTG Iceman!
Sorry to hear you took a few rounds. My family and I will pray for a speedy recovery for ya:aok I wish we could own handguns in Chicago. No go here. Fortunately they let me keep my Franchi 12 ga street sweeper before the ban. Always right next to the bed. Wife is profeicient in home defense too. Again nice job bro!:aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
SYSTEM: Iceman landed 1 kill and 1 assist with a .45 glock.
WTFG Iceman! <>
Exactly the reason I use a .45 for home defense. You WILL land kills. You don't want a peashooter in a gunfight. I also load progressively more agressive rounds in my clips. 3 FMJ, 2 Hollow Point, 2 Black Talon.
For the tinfoil types, the reason it didn't make the news is this is becoming commonplace in south Tarrant County. If the guys broke into 3 or 4 places they might make the news.
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it would have made the local news down in texas. no one can seem to locate any mention of it down there. Maybe if we tinfoilers knew the date the incident ocurred we could satisfy our curiosity......
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For the tinfoil types, the reason it didn't make the news is this is becoming commonplace in south Tarrant County. If the guys broke into 3 or 4 places they might make the news.
If a home invasion results in the the home owner getting shot twice and then killing one attacker and seriously wounding another it makes the news - no matter where you live or 'how common place' you think that type of thing is.
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Ice, get well soon.
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Iceman, I sure wish you the best man! My prayers are with you.
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My prayers are with you Ice, get better soon bro
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Originally posted by Bruno
If a home invasion results in the the home owner getting shot twice and then killing one attacker and seriously wounding another it makes the news - no matter where you live or 'how common place' you think that type of thing is.
Agreed. Does anyone have any more news? I haven't been able to find any news stories on Google or anywhere else about this.
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This event never happened. Without any verification its just a neat inTARDnet story.
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Something like this would have been on all the National News, as well as talk radio.
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Ice... <<
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I hope you make a speedy recovery, and great shooting! Its nice to hear about a citizen standing up for his rights, blowing the living watermelon out of some dumbarse teen gangbanger wannabe, and not getting tossed in jail himself! Ice, you have done this comunity, your state and nation proud with this great display of patriotism!
America was made for bibles, but built with guns...
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:rofl
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ok yeager....
first off...y would someone lie bout something like this...secondly....murdr has talked to iceman since. not everyone lies bout stuff, i mean come on, this is a story that could have turned out really really bad for the good guy and it didnt', they prolly chaulked it up to another shooting of bunch of gang bangers tryin to break into someone's house and got a BIG surprise.
there r gang shootings and bad things happening all over the world, just cuz its not in the newpaper or on CNN or FOX news channel doesnt' mean it didnt happen, i think yall need to chill out with ur " oh it didnt happen cuz there is nothing on the news bout it " crap, wait for iceman to get better then ask him all the questions that might have ur small minds in doubt.
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Betty, the problem is that it would have made the news somewhere.
Burleson is 13 miles from Fort Worth. This wouldn't have made the Metroplex newspapers? Do you really think that?
Homeowner kills one intruder, critically wounds another, is himself wounded by the perp....and it doesn't make the news?
You don't think that might be just a tiny bit odd?
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first off...y would someone lie bout something like this...secondly
There was a guy on here that died. Folks left a huge post of condolences. He turned up later flying in the main and claiming a friend was just 'joking'. People lie on the intardnet. Something like a home invasion and triple shooting with 1 dead should be easy enough to validate - yet no one who has looked can find any mention.
I don't know if its a lie or not, and don't care much, but asking for a date or link isn't uncalled for with something like this...
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Originally posted by rpm
WTFG Iceman! <>
Exactly the reason I use a .45 for home defense. You WILL land kills. You don't want a peashooter in a gunfight. I also load progressively more agressive rounds in my clips. 3 FMJ, 2 Hollow Point, 2 Black Talon.
For the tinfoil types, the reason it didn't make the news is this is becoming commonplace in south Tarrant County. If the guys broke into 3 or 4 places they might make the news.
Just a little advice on the rounds you are using, always match the round to the weapon, never the other way around. Too many people make that mistake. For close range work, 3 FMJ's will do damage but will over-penetrate and will not cause the ballistic blunt trauma you need to induce quickly, black talons are very highly over-rated and tend to be frangible upon impact, they are not that reliable. I would reccomend you check the ballistics charts for various types of ammo and find the one type that is best for your weapon. The best round to use is one that is a jacketed hollow-point, that will expand to approximately .60 caliber or better in expansion, have a penetration depth of 12-16" and be sub-sonic ( that is to say traveling at less than 1200 FPS..feet per second.
The average gunfight, takes place in a distance from 4 -12 feet and is over in under 2.5 seconds with a total of 2 to 6 shots being exchanged between the good guy(s) vs. the bad guys. Rather than rely on progressive round loading, select a round that matches your weapon and train to fire 2 rounds to the chest with an immediate follow-up shot to the head. This with practice can be accomplished in under 2 seconds and guarantees kills. The reason for the follow-up headshot immediately after the two into the chest is that a lot of bad guys, even the home invasion boys (B & E), have started to wear body armor, becasue they realise that more and more homeowners are arming themselves...
I'm not dissing, just offering a little advice.....Rubber
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Iceman,
Wish you a very speedy and complete recovery. Glad you shot well, and also glad you GF is ok.
You sir should be a poster child for the "right to bear arms" and all those who think you should not have a gun, should have been there with you.
Best present Santa could bring you I think: survival!
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anyone have a copy of the police report?
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ok guys, i heard from iceman and for those of you that really care bout his health in this ordeal...he's doin good, there is a newspaper article that his squadie is posed to post to shut the ppl up that have any doubt. we as a community need to stand by iceman thru this ordeal and help anyway that we can, he is a respected member of this community and deserves to know that each and everyone of us r here for him.
iceman, if you read this, u give me a hollar anytime, i will help out anyway i can, i remember you sayin ur puter took friendly fire so if there is anything i can do let me know, i will try to help. take care, keep in touch.
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Originally posted by Toad
Betty, the problem is that it would have made the news somewhere.
Burleson is 13 miles from Fort Worth. This wouldn't have made the Metroplex newspapers? Do you really think that?
Homeowner kills one intruder, critically wounds another, is himself wounded by the perp....and it doesn't make the news?
You don't think that might be just a tiny bit odd?
Based on the premise that someone is innocent (in this case of lying) until proven guilty, I'll believe the story as true. For those who doubt, you can prove it by going to :
http://www.burlesontx.com/city%20depts/Police/police%20records.htm
They should be able to confirm or deny if the actions described really happened.
Glove
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hey everyone, Thanks for all the kind words and best wishes, I'm gonna be fine. Can't really talk about anything until my lawyer says I can, but I appreciate all the support everyone has given me. It really makes you feel like your part of a real community and I can't thank you enough... allot of legal crap going on right now so I can't really comment or say anything... For everyone looking for an article the only thing i could find was a small section in the Burleson Star newspaper back on Nov 27th that my best gal found... It all happened back on the 17th and fox 4 news actually said a 45 second thing about it, just showed a map of Arlington area and a star by my neighborhood saying a shooting had taken place and 1 man was dead and 2 injured. That was like on the 18th when fox 4 said it. After I woke up the day after there were reporters from ABC and Fox there and they were just slamming me with questions, basically trying to make me look like a gun toating madman, plus i had just woken up so my girlfriend, fixing to be wife :) cussed them out the room hahaha, she has been looking for articles and stuff like that too but all she could really find was an article in my hometown paper of burleson, i live in alrigton now, and have for the past year.... For everyone that sent there best wishes i say again THANK YOU SOOO much... And Yaeger, guess what I don't care if you don't believe me, I guess I could take a picture of my shoulder, or better yet my whole upper right torso area and show ya, but you know what I really don't care if you do or don't brotha.... For everyone else, I really appreciate the kind words, i don't think i'll have access to the BBS again for quite a bit, I have a laptop to keep in touch with email wise, but its my company's so its all firewalled up and i can't get on the BBS, my home computer was trashed, it took some un friendly fire hahaha. I went home for the 1st time today, omg what a mess, my house is just trashed in the living room. The bad part about this whole thing is they poisoned my dog, i have a doggy door on my back door and the police said they must have scoped it out for a few nights, cause they threw a hambuger with rat poison in it over my fence and came in thru the doggy door apparantly. anyways i'm really upset at the arlington PD for the way they handled things, I can't really say allot for legal reasons, but i will say the ambulance got there a good 20 minutes before the cops did, it took them 37 minutes from the time my neighbor who is a fort worth detective called 911 for them to get there, the paramedics couldn't approach my house until the police arrived, luckily I live next door to 3 cops hahahaha, just goes to show you, these gang banging punks are just that dumb, luckily they were dumb enough to use small caliber .25 's that were converted to auto, if they would have used something bigger i would be in allot more trouble lol.... and for whoever said i should have used a shotgun, it was in my gun cabinet in the other room :) but i have a full tactical .45 glock with acp rounds, it did the job just fine :) The following was in the Burleson paper on the 27th, its a good article, wish they had a link on Burlesons Paper but I couldnt find one, I'll try and get scanned and post it when i get a little more feeling in my shoulder, I'll try and post more if I find it, but net access is hard to come by, especially when i was having to bribe a nurse to get off of yahoo instant messenger just to check my emails, thats tough enough LOL... Once again I appreciate everything, I couldn't ask for better bud's or a better community.
Former Burleson High School Athlete shot
On November 17th 28 year old former BHS football star and later Texas Longhorn Derek Bearden was involved in a horrific shootout at his home in Arlington, TX. The incident took the life of 1 unidentified hispanic male, and left Jorge Mescina 33 of Dallas in critcal condition. Bearden class of 96 was listed in stable condition after being shot several times. Local reports are that Bearden and fiance Mindy Bentley 24, also a Burleson High graduate, were asleep around 2:30 am early Friday morning when they were awoken by what Bentley described as the sound of shuffling and then a glass breaking. Derek Bearden who as his fiance stated "frequents the gun range often" grabbed a .45 caliber glock pistol which happened to be in his shoulder holster slung around the back of a desk chair. Bearden then went to his closet and removed another pistol, this one he gave to his fiance and told her to get under the bed and gave her a 9mm ruger pistol that he had shown her how to use. Records show that both Bentley and Bearden have concealed handgun permits. Bearden then approached the 1st bungler which Bearden claims was rummaging through a desk drawer when he clicked on the flashlight of his pistol and yelled freeze, don't move. Bearden says the person turned at him and he could clearly see some type of handgun in his hand, Bearden fired 6 shots from his .45 hitting the unidentified hispanic male in the chest and upper abdomen fatally wounding him. Bearden claims it all happened so fast he doesn't recall what happened next, he believes that another assailant was in the adjacent bedroom heard gunfire and that's when Bearden turned and was shot 5 times, Bearden was hit in the shoulder 3 times, and in the bicept and upper left chest area once, he returned fire, firing several shots, critically wounding the other perpetrator. After being shot 5 times, Bearden returned to the bedroom where his fiance was and threw a chair through the bedroom window, telling her to run over to neighbor and Fort Worth Police Detective Dave Walter's house and call 911. Walter's already awakened by the shots had already called 911 and was already outside the Bearden residence by the broken window when Bentley came out, he states that Bearden said, I got 2, don't know if there are any more, get her out of here !. Detective Walters rushed Bentley next door and told her not to come outside. When Walters arrived back, he claims that Bearden was in another room looking for more intruders. All of a sudden Walters said, "Derek, you have been hit !" Bearden then slumped down onto the couch. Walters says ." I don't even think he knew he was shot !" Bearden was transported to Hugely Hospital in South Fort Worth and was listed in stable condition. On another note and a more happy note, Bentley and Bearden have been together nearly 10 years, since they met in highschool, he was a senior and she was a sophomore. Bentley says that the 1st thing Bearden did when he woke up was to ask me to marry him, which I replied of course !!! She also says she used to nag him about going out hunting all the time and out shooting, and for even teaching her how to shoot. Now she says she is just so proud of him and understands why, "Its a crazy world out there, you never know, anything could happen".
Only reason that I let this guy even write the story was because he was the only media person that actaully called me, the rest were just trying to make me look like it was my fault asking crazy questions like why did you do this, and why that... DANG I hate the media !
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We're not talking about a crime here, we're talking about a statement made on the intardnet.
Based on your analogy, any statement is to be accepted as true until proven false?
Hey! You better hurry up and contact this guy right away then!
From: Barrister Richard Okoya
Okeaya Inneh Law Firm
Legal Practitioners
Nigeria.
Confidential Proposal/Investment Assistance.
Greetings and love to you in the name of the most high God, from my beloved country Nigeria. I am sorry and I solicit your permission into your privacy. I am Barrister Richard Okoya, lawyer to the late Ibrahim Abacha eldest son of the late former head of state of Nigeria late General Sani Abacha.
My former client late Ibrahim Abacha died in a plane crash in the year 1994. Upon the death of my former client and unknown to the family that is currently under house arrest and undergoing prosecution in the hands of the present administration as a result of human right violation and looting of the country's treasury by the late head of state General Sani Abacha.
Before the death of my client he had deposited US$90,000,000.00 with a secret security firm in two trunk boxes in my name, and I am the only authority to this fund which he was to transfer out of the country few days after he died in a plane crash.
This fund was deposited with the security firm in my name because my client stole this fund from the country's treasury and he did not want anyone to know that he is associated with the fund in question not until the fund is successfully moved out of the country.
The security firm does not know the actual content of the trunk boxes, my client and I told them that the boxes contains old African artifacts to be delivered to a client outside the country via Diplomatic Courier Services. For now it is only you and I that is having knowledge of this fund, and the only assistance I require from you is to help me receive this fund in either Amsterdam, London or Spain depending on our country of agreement and possibly invest it abroad in your area of advice.
This fund shall be disbursed accordingly as follows: 25% for the recipient (you) from the total sum(US$90M). 2% for the courier officer in the country where you shall receive the trunk boxes. 5% set aside from the entire sum for expenses incurred by both parties in due course of executing this transaction (home and abroad). 68% for me.
If you are not satisfied with the percentage sharing of the fund feel free to let me know. In compliance with this you are to immediately forward to me by mail the following: Your full names and address Confidential telephone and fax numbers.
With this information I will immediately commence all necessary documentation for a successful shipment of the first trunk box to your country of choice as all the modalities have already been worked out by me. I will also give you full details of this whole transaction which I have already perfected in due course.
Please note that you are to treat this with utmost confidentiality willing or not willing to assist me in this transaction as nobody knows about this fund and I am still an active lawyer in this country.
THE CHOICE IS YOURS, IF I WERE YOU I WOULD, BECAUSE IT WILL COST YOU LITTLE OR NOTHING TO ACHIEVE THIS AND THE BENEFIT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER.
Remain blessed in the name of GOD.
Yours faithfully Barrister Richard Okoya
From: richardokoya@yahoo.com
I'm sorry for not accepting every thing I read on the intardnet as the pure, unvarnished truth.
Wait...no I'm not.
If he did it, I salute him and suggest he send his story into the NRA's Armed Citizen for the recognition he is due.
I think I'll wait until I see a bit of proof before I go overboard with praise and backslapping, however.
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I guess I could take a picture of my shoulder, or better yet my whole upper right torso area and show ya, but you know what I really don't care if you do or don't brotha....
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Dude hellya, post a photo :)
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WTFG Iceman!!
One of my neighbors is a homicide detective and his best advice is to remember that a guy can't testify against you as long as he has a tag on his toe! hope the other doesn't cause you any additional grief.
BTW Overlag, isn't America a great place to be able to protect yourself! (no slam intended) It's just i believe in being able to bear arms to protect yourself from those that choose to not follow the law and threaten you with deadly force.
:aok :aok :aok ICEMAN :aok :aok :aok
Badguys beware :noid not everyone is intimidated, and there are a few of us that will fight for what we have. (God Bless America)
<>JB28
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I heard about this from a squaddie...get well Ice!
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Originally posted by Toad
We're not talking about a crime here, we're talking about a statement made on the intardnet.
I'm sorry for not accepting every thing I read on the intardnet as the pure, unvarnished truth.
Wait...no I'm not.
If he did it, I salute him and suggest he send his story into the NRA's Armed Citizen for the recognition he is due.
I think I'll wait until I see a bit of proof before I go overboard with praise and backslapping, however.
Toad,
I actually think we're getting close to the same point, just from different perspectives. There are many levels to look at. You're example of the 'good reverend' shows where discretion should be used. He was asking for financial info, money, etc. Common sense says run away - especially when it's easy to prove this one's a scam.
Iceman24 didn't ask for anything. In fact, he didn't even start the post - somebody else did out of their concern for him and desire to share the info with the community.
It's great you want to wait before giving praise and backslapping, I'm just saying maybe you should also wait before pouring on the criticism.
While it may be fair for you to ask where's the proof this did happen, it's also fair to ask where's your proof it didn't happen.
Glove
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I'm waiting to hear back for the Burleson Star as we speak. Already heard back verbally from staff, and just emailed my contact a copy of the "article" [edit: with a link to this thread]. He seemed a bit surprised.
Charon
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I though you guys already created a tin foil hat debate thread in the O'club?
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Originally posted by Gloves
I'm just saying maybe you should also wait before pouring on the criticism.
I don't think I was ever critical. Can you point to a post in this thread where you think that is the case?
While it may be fair for you to ask where's the proof this did happen, it's also fair to ask where's your proof it didn't happen.
Glove [/B]
Generally speaking, do you believe everything you read off the intardent until proven otherwise?
Or do you approach these things from the other direction, belief following proof?
I think I've said in every post in this thread, if he did that, he deserves the nationwide recognition that comes with an Armed Citizen report.
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I guess he doesnt recall the great posts of Airhead and his "bungee" accident, etc etc
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anyways i'm really upset at the arlington PD for the way they handled things, I can't really say allot for legal reasons, but i will say the ambulance got there a good 20 minutes before the cops did, it took them 37 minutes from the time my neighbor who is a fort worth detective called 911 for them to get there
This part pissed me off so much I just sent a nasty e-mail to the Arlington PD.
Charon
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Haven't met the "Iceman", all the best to a speed recovery..
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It's going to be bad if the guy in critcal condition lives. I can just see the headlines about how a trained gunfighter lured two poor latinos into his residence in order to ambush and kill them.
Makes you want to do like my grandmother did when someone tried to break down the door of her house. Shot them as they were reaching their arm thru the hole they broke, opened the door and drug the man inside, where she discharged the second barrel of her 12 gage against his upper chest.
WTFG on this Ice. It's amazing what you did and I'm glad you were prepared, and not just another victim headline the next day!
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lol it was me who posted the shotgun comment i think it would have made for a more messy fight but better outcome
by the way guys who are critical of either betty or ice well
and f 4 u withouth the 4
where i come from we take personal protection seriously especially during the last string of bomings in the last 3 years besides the m16 i will be getting next year i am gonna carry a 9mm noones gettting past me
ps hows ur dog?
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Iceman said: anyways i'm really upset at the arlington PD for the way they handled things, I can't really say allot for legal reasons, but i will say the ambulance got there a good 20 minutes before the cops did, it took them 37 minutes from the time my neighbor who is a fort worth detective called 911 for them to get there, the paramedics couldn't approach my house until the police arrived,
And there are people in this country who believe that law enforcement can/will protect you and that gun ownership is wrong!!:O
Warspawn said: It's going to be bad if the guy in critcal condition lives. I can just see the headlines about how a trained gunfighter lured two poor latinos into his residence in order to ambush and kill them.
The ony thing bad about this guy living will be the burden on society while he lives for free in prison. Ice is in no danger from him. Several years ago I qualified for my concealed handgun license here in Texas. During the course we spent quite a bit of time going over state law and when a citizen could legally protect themselves, their property and even other people and their property. I was totally shocked at how little justification it took to use deadly force.
Case in point, a few years ago a fellow in San Antonio stepped out on the balcony of his apartment just in time to see someone jack his car. He stepped back inside, grabbed his scoped deer rifle, stepped back out and whacked the guy. He got off scott-free!
230G
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Originally posted by 230G
I was totally shocked at how little justification it took to use deadly force.
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But still be real, real careful what you post Iceman... I'm sure your lawyer told you. Not a word. Best thing that could happen is if this thread was deleted.
Good luck dude.
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Originally posted by Apeking
My thought exactly. He'd get a mandatory five-year sentence for owning a pistol; and the police would want to know why his firearm was not unloaded and locked in a secure cabinet in one of the remaining half-dozen or so shooting clubs that still exist in England. The issue of personal or home defence does not feature in the news media in the UK. It is a non-issue. The newspapers treat crime as if it was an unpreventable natural phenomenon, like hurricanes or meteorite strikes. The only solutions presented to us are long-term social engineering projects that are unimplementable, immeasurable, and unquantifiable.
That is why when I think of the term 'nanny government', I think of the U.K. No offence.
And iceman, get well, hope your shoulder heals. You should refrain from posting anything on the internet regarding this (besides your condition) until the legal dust has settled. For real.
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Originally posted by smash
But still be real, real careful what you post Iceman... I'm sure your lawyer told you. Not a word. Best thing that could happen is if this thread was deleted.
Good luck dude.
ya know thats a good idea. this post and the other probably should be deleted. If that scumbags lawyer finds out about Iceman's hobby how long do you think its gona take him to find this bbs and find this thread and use it against him.
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That "article" could use some spelling, grammar and punctuation assistance.
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so the emos on myspace have now evvoled into shooting themselves instead of cutting?
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i agree with Betty on that one i live in Centerville, Texas and a lot of stuff happens here but doesnt get put into the news and so on. i mean like 2 years ago 3 guys were shot in a grocey store and it didnt make the news. i am not saying it did or did not happen i wasnt there but if it did i hope he gets to feeling better. if it didnt happen please tell us and dont play something like this again you have scared tons of people that probly care for you.
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I see blood in the water.
Time to leave it alone.
shamus
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whats Icemans lawyers name and law firm. I will go ahead and call down there and report back what I find out, if this story is true I think you guys should start a collection to help defray lawyers fees, cuz if it is true there will be lawyers fees. Hell, I'd even donate a couple bucks because if this alleged event is true then Iceman shelled out some serious karma on a couple of scummer low lifers and deserves the support of every law abiding gun owner in america. But not blind support.
I just want verification. that is all.
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im with yeager i would like some verication too and if so i would thourgh in some bucks too. just tell us that it is a prank or not.
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The Iceman cometh!!!!
Furgin Hell Mon!
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Here’s where we're at so far:
Jacqueline at Arlington Texas Crime Analysis (PD) states that neither Derek Bearden or Jorge Mescina are in their system. There were seven burglaries reported on the date in question, but none match this description. Also, neither name appears in any Google search for such events. 817-459-5700
There is no Dave Walters (or Walter) on the roster at the Fort Wayne PD. 817-392-4200 [edit: It's also amusing in his "article" where he tells the detective to take his best girl to safety, while he continues the sweep of the house.]
Airscrew, working to give Iceman the benefit of the doubt, confirmed that such a story did not run in the Burleson Star by contacting the editor at his e-mail address. I called the publisher, Ike Massey, who reads all of their publications each week, and he had no knowledge of such an article running. He did remember the much less exciting c-store shooting. I sent him a copy of the last post to make sure, along with a link to this thread. I haven’t heard back yet, be we have been having junk mail filter issues, apparently. Of course, given the quality of the “article” that was posted -- he may be too embarrassed to admit such a thing if it did slip by the editor, fact check and proofing. I know I would be in total denial (and looking for another job) :) 817-295-0486
Only reason that I let this guy even write the story was because he was the only media person that actaully called me, the rest were just trying to make me look like it was my fault asking crazy questions like why did you do this, and why that... DANG I hate the media !
The subject of a story has absolutely no control over whether it runs or not.
That was like on the 18th when fox 4 said it. After I woke up the day after there were reporters from ABC and Fox there and they were just slamming me with questions, basically trying to make me look like a gun toating madman
No record of this at all, and if they were asking questions then there would be a record. You not answering questions only adds blood to the waters if it is an attack piece.
Quality of article: I have earned a living in either PR or Journalism for the past 14 years. I have probably written near 1 million published words during that time in various feature and hard news styles. Grammar and punctuation errors aside (could be transcription errors, after all), this article does not pass muster for a high school newspaper piece. For example, too much ancillary detail:
Derek Bearden who as his fiance stated "frequents the gun range often" grabbed a .45 caliber glock pistol which happened to be in his shoulder holster slung around the back of a desk chair.
Ouch. That’s painful to read. And the morph into the happily ever after is unnatural in style and artificial in tone. There are too many to list. This is to journalism what the movie Pearl Harbor is to historical cinema.
Here’s a real hero from Arlington, Texas, who was easy to find. BTW, look at the tone. Hardly a self-defense hate piece looking to be buried somewhere.
A 66-year-old grandmother is giving new meaning to the saying, "Don't Mess With Texas." Susan Gaylord Buxton of Arlington, Texas, shot an intruder who broke into her home using the .38-caliber handgun she keeps by her bedside. The intruder, Christopher Lessner, 22, suffered a leg wound and is now in jail.
For link: Google (Arlington Texas, shot, intruder)
Well, that was about 30 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
Charon
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Smells like... tastes like... looks like...
Charon
p.s. I'll bet the "friend" who supposedly has Iceman28's (or whatever # Iceman he is) laptop for him is now reading these forums as either "guest" or under a new handle. Maybe Iceman42? ;)
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suckers...
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Very appreciative of the time Charon & others spent trying to get the facts in this matter, I even wasted some time on it myself, checking the various high school newspapers for the alledged article alluded to by iceman,as I felt the quality of the work and detail could only be achieved by an ace high school reporter.
Guess that was when my crap detector went off the scale, would shooting yourself in the foot count as a sixth wound?
I must admit I do look forward to these Internet drama queens telling us of their latest exploits, it really makes a slow afternoon at work go buy a little easier.
Sorry Betty, Guess the answer to your original question is no... no you should not post that here... to many skeptics
:)
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Why do these tools even bother to try this type of thing? This forum, as bad as it can be, has some very bright people on it.
Charon for outing a fraud.
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no matter what yall say....i still believe iceman, i have no reason not too, call me stupid, call me gullible, but needless to say, i'm his friend and i hope that he gets better soon.
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Originally posted by Charon
There is no Dave Walters (or Walter) on the roster at the Fort Wayne PD. 817-392-4200
The Blue Knights of Texas need to update their website (http://bktexas1.policeofficer.com/page64.htm) then since they have David Walters listed from FWPD. Looked that up like 15 minutes after reading icemans post. Also found a reference listing him as a founder of a christian police association from 2003. Just sayin.
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The Blue Knights of Texas need to update their website then since they have David Walters listed from FWPD. Looked that up like 15 minutes after reading icemans post. Also found a reference listing him as a founder of a christian police association from 2003. Just sayin.
The guy that answers the administrative line had no such name, though there was a David Walts. I'll call it again. Regardless, if the article did not run in the said newspaper, well, that kinda sucks.
Charon
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BTW.
Feel free to call any of the numbers I have posted to check those as well. In fact, it would be nice if somebody else did in fact do that, as long as these people are not getting 20 or more calls per day. Maybe Murdr would like to do that?
Charon
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Ice..... were you by chance flying an F-16 while being bitten by a scorpion while polishing your own personal P-51 Mustang ?
Iceman= Voss
Sorry.... I know that bit is a repeat but it fit to well to let go. :lol
Dave
P.S. I own and carry a .45 Automatic. If I had to ever use it in self defense and took a life with it.... posting on this BB would be the last thing on my mind. Let alone in the fashion that Ice did. i.e. cracking jokes about it.
Dave
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this happened in Burleson, tx, not Arlington.
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More news tomorrow.
There apparently is a detective David Walters in Fraud/Major Crimes that the night shift was able to find on their records. I do have a direct line so I will give him a call tomorrow. I guess this guy can absolutely confirm or deny these events. 817-392-4430
Charon
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this happened in Burleson, tx, not Arlington.
No, according to Iceman it was Arlington, and the Arlington PD responded (poorly) according to him.
Charon
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Originally posted by Overlag
in the UK he would have got done for murder and attempted murder for protecting himself.
hell we arent even allowed to "tackle" shoplifters anymore..... just in case we hurt them..
iceman.... get well soon
It's not over yet, but more and more juries here in the colonys are allowing for self defense against threats to ones life.
You just can not spill hot coffee on yourself from McDonalds with out getting a big settlement.
WTG Ice...No need for nightmares, Sir, you did the right thing!
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This is the most interesting thread I've seen yet on this board; i've only been on for about 10 months though so I might have missed some other good ones.
Where we at with this??? The curiousity is killing me.
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Originally posted by Nomak
Ice..... were you by chance flying an F-16 while being bitten by a scorpion while polishing your own personal P-51 Mustang ?
Iceman= Voss
Sorry.... I know that bit is a repeat but it fit to well to let go. :lol
Dave
P.S. I own and carry a .45 Automatic. If I had to ever use it in self defense and took a life with it.... posting on this BB would be the last thing on my mind. Let alone in the fashion that Ice did. i.e. cracking jokes about it.
Dave
My thoughts exactly, as I stated in the other thread.
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i agree with betty and have always held my ground, i didnt fall for the whole ****** died thing but still tome this is believalble and i have flown with ice before i doubt he would pull this type of stunt and plus dont be so quick to deniy the events because if they did happen ur adding insult to injury just wait and see, i know the world is bad blah blah blah but some one has to be trustfull ps appernetly the guy exisists so... lets wiat and see
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Originally posted by evenhaim
i have flown with ice before i doubt he would pull this type of stunt
well, ice is trying to impress betty, not you.
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lol whow i dont roll that way bro
plus ice is supposed to have a gf
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whoooooooosh!
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Damn Iceman24,
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Is that the same shoulder you got wounded on in Iraq? (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178257) Hope you aren't out of action too long. I took a few hits from Charlie back in the day, so I feel your pain.
PS, a lot of this going around. I noticed there was another guy (http://www.heralddemocrat.com/articles/2006/11/26/local_news/news05.txt) in your neck of the woods who had some guys enter his house, lost his computer, and "Will be back in a few months".
Anyways get well soon, and don't drop the soap.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178257
Same guy, different handle. -edit- damnit, namvet beat me to it!-edit-
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Everyone go read that Iraq thread linked above. Dang...voss has met his match lol
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Originally posted by Shane
whoooooooosh!
:rofl
Dave
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Originally posted by Nomak
.... posting on this BB would be the last thing on my mind. Let alone in the fashion that Ice did. i.e. cracking jokes about it.
Dave
Read the type of attacks he was getting. I was glad to hear from him myself. Also, being a person who doesn't own a handgun, I believe the assailants got exactly what they deserved and nothing less! I recently had my home burgularized while I was away. I live with my two children and understand the horror of what could have happened if the guys would have gotten the jump on Ice. I have been on the wrong end of a gun 3 times in my life and it is a complete horror when it is really happening. All three times I was unarmed and totally at the mercy of the thug. It is not a position that I ever want to be in again, and I'll be damned if I ever let it happen to me in my own house if there is anyway to stop it. If that means using deadly force, then in your home is one place where one should not have to defend their right to kill a son of a dog if it comes down to that! Anyone who would attack Ice for killing an SOB who was armed and in his house either hasn't been there or doesn't look at the sanctity of "the home" the way I do!
Mark:aok
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Iceman... do you do this because you're just a pathological liar or because you enjoy watching people make fools of themselves while they defend you? Do you already have your new handle ready? You should keep a running list of your old ones in a "lies i've told" thread where right before you drop this handle, you come clean with all of your previous dupes with links so we can see just how many people you "suckered". I know the current list would include the nn76240 handle and 2 months of AH paid for by the people that actually want to believe you and are too proud to admit that they've been taken in by a complete kneebite.
The shoulder gunshot wound thing is getting old. You need to come up with a new angle. This time it should be something that's just not quite newsworthy, but still makes you look like some kind of regretfull hero. Maybe you could save a cat from an abusive family by stealing it ninja style. That would be a cool story.
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He could always play the sniper card, that ones never been done before. :rolleyes:
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nm.....adding to this goodness would only subtract from it... :)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I have been on the wrong end of a gun 3 times in my life Mark:aok
Why does this not surprise me? ;)
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So this was all a hoax....?
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No, it's not a hoax. Iceman confirmed it to me in the LW arena while beta testing the new B-29.
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No, really, I'm serious...
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Originally posted by Mini D
The shoulder gunshot wound thing is getting old. You need to come up with a new angle. This time it should be something that's just not quite newsworthy, but still makes you look like some kind of regretfull hero. Maybe you could save a cat from an abusive family by stealing it ninja style. That would be a cool story.
yep. that would be a cool story.
sigh.
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ok we'res the part about the medal ??
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Originally posted by Toad
I don't think I was ever critical. Can you point to a post in this thread where you think that is the case?
Generally speaking, do you believe everything you read off the intardent until proven otherwise?
Or do you approach these things from the other direction, belief following proof?
I think I've said in every post in this thread, if he did that, he deserves the nationwide recognition that comes with an Armed Citizen report.
Bleech. Crow. I hate crow. Okay, pass the salt.
Glove
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Originally posted by Mini D
Iceman... I know the current list would include the nn76240 handle
Know? Show us proof that iceman24 was nn76240! If you don't have proof then take your own advice and STFU!
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Didn't he also have a boyfriend that was killed in iraq ?
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cool it with the STFUs bro. This thread is strictly for entertainment purposes only :p
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Originally posted by Yeager
cool it with the STFUs bro. This thread is strictly for entertainment purposes only :p
since when did, "Send The Free Uranium" become unentertaining? hee hee Plus, if anyone is being nasty I think it's MiniD coming off like a punk big mouth no actioin kinda dweeeb! I might add, if iceman's story is true, then you are looking quite foolish as well!:aok
Maybe Murdr can help us out here as Ice is in his squad! Murdr, u know anything?
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All useless without pics of Mindy Bently.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
All useless without pics of Mindy Bently.
Actually, i think there was already one posted of her a while back. Here's the link:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136251&referrerid=6283
Glove
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
ok we'res the part about the medal ??
I wanted to add on to what the "linked thread" regarding the "Purple Heart". He (N+numbers) came under fire for turning down a PH.
Now, in WWII my grandfather was carrying his dead buddy ashore (out of boot camp) on Guam. Under fire he was wounded, the Lt. wanted "recommend" him for a medal. My grandfather told him to shove the medal, and later regretted it, as it would have allowed him to return home 6 months earlier, via the "Points system."
My question, are these two cases similar? Is it different once the "paperwork" has gone through?
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Originally posted by Toad
I don't think I was ever critical. Can you point to a post in this thread where you think that is the case?
I can, but that is because I have read your posts in quite a few of these types of threads, and so can easily translate from "Toad" into english. For example...
"Wow. Made for TV movie stuff!
Anyone got a link to the news story? Must have made headlines in the DFW area."
To someone else this quote might seem pretty innocuous, but if I translate...
"Iceman is full of ****. There is not one shred of evidence that any of this happened."
...and the message is revealed.
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"I think it's MiniD coming off like a..."
Well he is and usually does but in this case he's on target.
However feel free to be the self appointed counselor/PR man/ whatever for someone who not only has the ability to clarify the whole thing but chooses not.
As has been noted already your replies are adding to what has now turned into "the" entertainment. Don't feel bad at the end however for some misguided idiot always chooses to do "the duty" (willingly I'll add). You'll just end up joining the ranks of the not-so-smart. Folks like 2Slow who stood up for Voss or Golfer who defended Straiga - just two clear examples who come to mind.
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OMFG!
Iceman was telling the truth!
Detective David Walters is a neighbor of the Derek Bearden family… and a great guy BTW…
Of course, he laughed his rear end off when I relayed the story to him.
He confirmed that IT WAS A HOAX. Never Happened.
We had a laugh filled 15 minute conversation where we covered all the details. I have sent him a copy/paste of his last post and the links to the article. He was a bit miffed at being used in such a manner, especially where it relates to his reputation or that of the department. But my take is that the humor this will generate, undoubtedly throughout the department, goes a long way towards making amends.
Betty/Murdr - his direct line is: (PM me for the number). He would be happy to confirm the the details of this post.
Charon
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should you be posting his number in a public forum where he may likely receive dozens if not hundreds of frivolous calls? just saying
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Nice edit to say it was Hoax, instead of posting with the initial reply.
Storch, I agree, this man has better things to do than receive phone asking about "an incident that may have happened, but may not have." I'd take the number down, cops don't usually "broadcast numbers where they can be reached."(excluding 911).
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He had no problem with it, but then perhaps we miscommunicated the process. I'll remove mine (and give it out via PM) and ask the cross post in the OCLUB to do the same.
Charon
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Nice edit to say it was Hoax, instead of posting with the initial reply.
I was counting on a sense of irony and reading comprehension... my bad. I added the edit after it went swoosh over your head.
Charon
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I agree, this man has better things to do than receive phone asking about "an incident that may have happened, but may not have."
He was actually very happy to clear this up, and didn't think it was all that trivial.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
I was counting on a sense of irony and reading comprehension... my bad. I added the edit after it went swoosh over your head.
Charon
I have VERY GOOD understanding of English. not one word of "irony" was received, nor even HINTED in your first post Charon. Anytime you wish to compare "english reading and comprehension skills", I'm game.
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Originally posted by Charon
...We had a laugh filled 15 minute conversation where we covered all the details. I have sent him a copy/paste of his last post and the links to the article. He was a bit miffed at being used in such a manner, especially where it relates to his reputation or that of the department. But my take is that the humor this will generate, undoubtedly throughout the department, goes a long way towards making amends...
How could you miss the irony and sarcasm in this paragraph?
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charon I too missed the irony in your initial post, I saw it as a confirmation or a verification that the subject was indeed truthful and that perhaps apologies might be in order.
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Sorry then.
Details:
The detective knew the family.
The event never happened.
He was very amused by the story.
Now, you can consider directing your angst where it is deserved, instead of at the messanger.
Charon
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Oh man :(
So now gullible "folk" such as Betty SKJohn, Murdr and Skyrock won't continue to make even bigger fools of themselves than they have already? .....
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no angst here pal just pointing out my interpretation. every time the cops see him they will snicker. good job charon.
I wonder how long before the story is known in that small town?
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Originally posted by Westy
Oh man :(
So now gullible "folk" such as Betty SKJohn, Murdr and Skyrock won't continue to make even bigger fools of themselves than they have already? .....
glass houses somewhere.
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oh. And JB88!
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I can, but that is because I have read your posts in quite a few of these types of threads, and so can easily translate from "Toad" into english. For example...
Yeah, but can you predict winning Lotto numbers for me next week.
Sorry, Karnak, you're way off base here.
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Originally posted by Westy
oh. And JB88!
do you get to wear a special hat? you must.
;)
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Originally posted by Westy
Oh man :(
So now gullible "folk" such as Betty SKJohn, Murdr and Skyrock won't continue to make even bigger fools of themselves than they have already? .....
That's a little harsh don't you think? Those players, including myself, consider Iceman24 a friend and in mine and Murdr's case a squadron mate as well. Can we be blamed for sticking up for our friend and squadron mate?
If anyone that deserves any blame for this fiasco is Iceman24 himself and not the ones that stood by him as any good friend would have done.
It's time for Iceman24 to step up to the plate and apologize to those that defended him and to the AH community as well.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Westy
Oh man :(
So now gullible "folk" such as Betty SKJohn, Murdr and Skyrock won't continue to make even bigger fools of themselves than they have already? .....
Gullible folk? LMAO! I didn't even post in this thread until the 3rd page idiot! I also never stated that I know this to be true, it was more like "if this is true"! My posts were pro-kill house intruders! Nothing more nothing less! After reading Murdr's post I was definitely leaning towards it being truth and have yet seen any proof that it isn't. So I will leave that up to the facts. I will not believe Charon's post until I see proof either. Until MiniDik shows me proof that ice is that numbers guy he was talking about I will think the same of him as I do of every other idiot that lies on internet! If Ice's post is a big lie, then I will have no respect for him as well! So refrain from opening your idiot mouth and using my name, bud! Or better yet, stick to the O'club! :aok
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Originally posted by Westy
Oh man :(
So now gullible "folk" such as Betty SKJohn, Murdr and Skyrock won't continue to make even bigger fools of themselves than they have already? .....
I reported this thread to the squad on day 1. I reported a summary of the contents of a squad email to the thread on day 2. I reported that Charon's inital information on the detective may be in error. I did not report on day 4 that I found it suspicious that Arlington city and Tarrent county have searchable police log databases without any information that match up with the story.
I tried to stay neutral and pass along information considering I had no definative proof of the veracity of the information I was relaying.
So what is this day 6? On this day Id like to report that Westly can take the vice-presidents well publicised advise that he gave to Sen Patrick Lahey on the Senate floor.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4 (the number of warnings are piling up)
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This thread make me Roffle :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Originally posted by Westy
Point the finger at me and try to make me out to be the bad guy? lol. Whatever. Suckers
I'm not pointing fingers at you and trying to make you the bad guy. The one that deserves our ire is the one that lied to his friends and the community not you. I do however think that your comments directed at Betty, Murdr and those that defended Iceman24 at first was way out of line.
What would you have done if it was your friend and squadron mate? Would you have defended him or would you have joined the bandwagon for a virtual tar and feather?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Platano
This thread make me Roffle :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
WHACK! WHACK! WHAWHACK!!
cyberscepter strikes again!!!
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I gotta go with sticking up for a friend. even if the friend is wrong. akak murdr and company got this one right. iceman is the tard here and you can clearly see who the good guys are
to you guys for sticking up for a friend. now it's time to take him out back for an old fashioned asswhooping as that's what he clearly deserves.
I'll take anyone at his word until he proves his word is worthless. this attitude has at times cost me but also has brought me far greater rewards.
sorry your friend turned out to be such a POS.
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Skyrock, you surely must be fishing yourself now, right?
I mean, specifically with this:
"After reading Murdr's post I was definitely leaning towards it being truth and have yet seen any proof that it isn't. So I will leave that up to the facts. I will not believe Charon's post until I see proof either."
I believe Charon offered to give the sheriff's contact info out if you PM him... If you want definite proof, you'd better take him up on that offer... Because there's really not a whole lot else he can do besides type out what he discovered.
Call me crazy, but I don't think anyone would be such a jerk as to slander someone who actually DID go through what Icemand supposedly did, by claiming proof that it didn't happen.
I mean, if you weren't fishing with that quote... Quit tellin' stories and pass that blunt, would ya?
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If anyone that deserves any blame for this fiasco is Iceman24 himself and not the ones that stood by him as any good friend would have done.
Absolutely Ack-Ack.
I reported this thread to the squad on day 1. I reported a summary of the contents of a squad email to the thread on day 2. I reported that Charon's inital information on the detective may be in error. I did not report on day 4 that I found it suspicious that Arlington city and Tarrent county have searchable police log databases without any information that match up with the story.
I tried to stay neutral and pass along information considering I had no definative proof of the veracity of the information I was relaying.
So what is this day 6? On this day Id like to report that Westly can take the vice-presidents well publicised advise that he gave to Sen Patrick Lahey on the Senate floor.
No issues from me Murdr. In fact, your digging helped lay this to rest once and for all. Without Detective Walters direct contact, there would have still been too much "he said/she said" wiggle room for the hardcore supporters. And, as kind of the focus point on the skeptic side, I would have had to deal with some of that flack far more than I would have ever wanted to. Frankly, I should have been more persistent since they guy I spoke with at the PD that initially couldn't find the detective's name seemed a bit confused, and was going off paper rosters. But, by then it was just icing on the cake, at least for me.
What is ironic, is that without that last post this probably would have just died out as being more trouble than it was worth. The details he provided were literally able to be confirmed in all of about 20 minutes time.
BTW, here is the response I received back from Detective Walters:
WOW, what an imagination. That young man may have a writing career in his future, fiction that is. He grew up two houses from me and he went to school with my daughters. It is all fictitious….. His parents are friends of me and my wife. Thank you for the heads up.
Det Dave Walters
Fort Worth Police Dept.
Major Crimes/ Fraud
If anybody is still skeptical, I would actually suggest calling the Fort Worth general "admin" PD number, and asking for Detective Walters through the switchboard route using his department to make it easy. After all, any number I give could be to my cell phone :) He clearly stated that he had no problems confirming this to anyone interested. BTW, the detective is a pilot. I tried to pitch him on AH but he didn't seem too interested.
Charon
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I have seen this type of thing pulled by a person know to myself and others in the Gainesville area, who ran it so far that money was take up, (a good amount} to help him.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT FUNNY, and the local police were very unhappy with him.
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just when i thought i had no life...thanx for all the inspiration in this thread :rofl
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I will not believe Charon's post until I see proof either.
1. Google Fort Worth PD.
2. Look for the phone contacts link on the left side of the page.
3. Call the Administration number (between 9-5 DFW time zone)
4. Ask to speak with Detective Dave Walters, in Major Crimes/ Fraud
5. If it is after hours you will be connected to an unmanned phone with no voice mail. During the day shift you will wither be connected to him directly or to a desk person who will transfer you directly to his line. He has voice mail if he is not there at the time.
All you need is one functional digit to click the mouse and phone buttons, and 5 minutes of your time.
Charon
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Now that I think about it.............
If it was a hoax, why did the intruders have to be Latinos?
:furious :lol
Stereotypes?
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Originally posted by Platano
Now that I think about it.............
If it was a hoax, why did the intruders have to be Latinos?
:furious :lol
Stereotypes?
What makes a more frightening boogie man than 2 desperate drug crazed Hispanics breaking into your house in the middle of the night?
Just like that lady that killed her kids a few years ago that claimed a black man car jacked her and drove off with the kids.
ack-ack
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It has been an interesting thread. It got more interesting as it went along and the inconsistencies in the story started to crop up. I haven't read a Detective novel in a long time but this was pretty good. :D
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I haven't read a Detective novel in a long time but this was pretty good.
It reminds me more of a Scooby Doo Mystery. :)
Charon
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Looks like this one is done folks.