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Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 14, 2006, 02:54:07 PM: It's pretty simple. Please just post here if you fly the Lockheed P-38 exclusively or almost exclusively. I'd just like to know who all of the Lightning fliers are.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 14, 2006, 03:09:45 PM: If I'm in the EWA or MWA, this is all I fly. I'll also fly it in the LWA's to just turnfight. Good plane, best of the bunch IMO.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Dr1337 on December 14, 2006, 03:30:20 PM: 38J and G
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 14, 2006, 03:43:41 PM: I think you'll be hard pressed to find any plane that I've flown other than the P-38 in 10+ years.

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Soulyss on December 14, 2006, 03:51:28 PM: Lightning eh?

never heard of it....

:noid
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Pawz on December 14, 2006, 03:58:03 PM: G J L prettiest plane in the air. I married mine about 2 years and never looked back athough shes cheated on me with guppe and silat to name a few I still love her.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Lazerr on December 14, 2006, 03:59:07 PM: My main ride..
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Slash27 on December 14, 2006, 04:00:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lazerr
My main ride..

Yes, but are you any good in it?:D
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Killjoy2 on December 14, 2006, 04:01:14 PM: P-38 is my first love.

The problem is that if I start flying other planes or running around in GV's, I lose my touch. This tour, I'm off GV's and just flying P-38's.

I like them all, but you can't beat the J model especially with olive drab skin.

More skins!
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Golfer on December 14, 2006, 04:03:39 PM: Most of the time unless there's a squadron type thing going on.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Fianna on December 14, 2006, 04:34:13 PM: Unless I'm taking off of a CV or in a mission, I'll be in a P-38J.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Lazerr on December 14, 2006, 04:41:31 PM: Not yet Slash, workin on it.:D
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Hoarach on December 14, 2006, 04:43:57 PM: Main ride unless getting kinda bored and take a perk plane up for a ride for a change.

How can you not fly something with 2 engines.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 14, 2006, 04:57:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pawz
G J L prettiest plane in the air. I married mine about 2 years and never looked back athough shes cheated on me with guppe and silat to name a few I still love her.

Wait. You - married - my lady? We're going to have to fight over this, you know.

Ack-Ack, what is your identification in the game?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 14, 2006, 04:58:42 PM: Quiet all! he's onto our secret organization!

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUNNNNN
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 14, 2006, 05:04:55 PM: S.A.P.P.? Why not the Virtual Split-S Society?

[edit]Spelling ...[/edit]
Title: Re: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Dr1337 on December 14, 2006, 05:07:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Benny Moore
It's pretty simple. Please just post here if you fly the Lockheed P-38 exclusively or almost exclusively. I'd just like to know who all of the Lightning fliers are.

What name do you use in game Benny? I tried to look up "Aerial" but i couldnt find anything. You going by something else?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: TW9 on December 14, 2006, 05:14:28 PM: lol which so called "38 jock" is this?

Tour 83

Model type Kills In

Spitfire Mk VIII 19
A-20G 12
La-7 3
Panzer IV H 3
Ki-61 2
P-38L 2

Tour 82

Model type Kills In

Spitfire Mk VIII 64
Hurricane Mk IIC 63
La-7 44
Ship Gunner 28
Ki-61 24
P-38G 9

Tour 81

Model type Kills In

Hurricane Mk IIC 24
La-7 15
Fw 190A-8 9
Ship Gunner 8
Fw 190A-5 6
T-34 6
P-47-D40 4
F6F-5 3
Ju 88 3
Spitfire Mk V 3
P-38G 3
Title: Re: Re: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 14, 2006, 05:26:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dr1337
What name do you use in game Benny? I tried to look up "Aerial" but i couldnt find anything. You going by something else?

It's currently "Aerial," although I am trying to get it changed to "Aetherius" due to all the "Little Mermaid" crap I get. The reason why you don't see any statistics in current tours is because I'm doing the freebie thing. I simply cannot afford paying for anything to do with entertainment right now. If you really want to see my statistics, look at Tour 80; that was my two week trial. Oh, and I was, uh, strafed a lot.

I'm actually looking for good P-38 and Me-109 pilots for some friendly duels in my eight player server, Blue Sky: Maximum Realism. I had hand surgury about two months ago, and now that I'm up to 100% efficiency for the first time in years, I'm eager to fly. Unfortunately, I've been having a terrible time dragging any of the "famous" P-38 pilots from the main arena. I can't say I blame them; though lag-free and using realistic settings, my server is not exactly glamorous.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 14, 2006, 05:29:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Benny Moore

Ack-Ack, what is your identification in the game?

AKAK

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 14, 2006, 05:30:56 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TW9
lol which so called "38 jock" is this?

Tour 83

Model type Kills In

Spitfire Mk VIII 19
A-20G 12
La-7 3
Panzer IV H 3
Ki-61 2
P-38L 2

Tour 82

Model type Kills In

Spitfire Mk VIII 64
Hurricane Mk IIC 63
La-7 44
Ship Gunner 28
Ki-61 24
P-38G 9

Tour 81

Model type Kills In

Hurricane Mk IIC 24
La-7 15
Fw 190A-8 9
Ship Gunner 8
Fw 190A-5 6
T-34 6
P-47-D40 4
F6F-5 3
Ju 88 3
Spitfire Mk V 3
P-38G 3

Why are you looking up my scores?

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Murdr on December 14, 2006, 05:34:40 PM: Why even bother with a new thread, you should know all the usual suspects by now?...even if only by word of mouth.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 14, 2006, 05:38:33 PM: ... For easy reference. I am a bear of very little brain, and I easily lose track of many nicknames. Plus, I don't know half of them at all.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Dr1337 on December 14, 2006, 05:39:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Benny Moore
It's currently "Aerial," although I am trying to get it changed to "Aetherius" due to all the "Little Mermaid" crap I get. The reason why you don't see any statistics in current tours is because I'm doing the freebie thing. I simply cannot afford paying for anything to do with entertainment right now. If you really want to see my statistics, look at Tour 80; that was my two week trial. Oh, and I was, uh, strafed a lot.

I'm actually looking for good P-38 and Me-109 pilots for some friendly duels in my eight player server, Blue Sky: Maximum Realism. I had hand surgury about two months ago, and now that I'm up to 100% efficiency for the first time in years, I'm eager to fly. Unfortunately, I've been having a terrible time dragging any of the "famous" P-38 pilots from the main arena. I can't say I blame them; though lag-free and using realistic settings, my server is not exactly glamorous.

I never play regular times...i pretty much play when i have spare time so its hard to schedule anything usually but I will stop and check the H2H rooms for ya in the coming days.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 14, 2006, 05:44:25 PM: I'll keep an eye out for your Thirty Eight on mine's tail. What is your game identity?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: john9001 on December 14, 2006, 06:06:55 PM: i fly the P38 mostly, i like to give the spity/lala/niki's a fighting chance. LOL
44MAG
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Gopher on December 14, 2006, 06:15:49 PM: Flew Nutting but the 38 for 2 years ..
Kept gettin dead
went to the 190
now thats sweet Brid
Butcher Bird that is
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Dr1337 on December 14, 2006, 06:20:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Benny Moore
I'll keep an eye out for your Thirty Eight on mine's tail. What is your game identity?

1337D00d
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 14, 2006, 06:21:11 PM: Yep, the Butcher Bird is really sweet when it explodes into a nice and pretty fireball. Of course if you can find one that isn't running fast enough to shoot down.

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: pluck on December 14, 2006, 07:28:41 PM: fly 38's everywhere. into horde, outta horde, into trees, into water, and land in-between:) once in awhile i'll up a spitV, a6, ki, 109, just because they are fun as well, in a different way.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: shooter1cac on December 14, 2006, 07:55:48 PM: I fly it a lot.
I'm not very good in it though.
I suck in it actually.

I suck in everything actually. :(
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: daddog on December 14, 2006, 08:20:35 PM: 90% of the time that is my ride and it is what I do best in, but I don't consider myself one of the better P-38 sticks. Just don't get enough time online.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: mensa180 on December 14, 2006, 09:48:44 PM: I used to fly the 38G VERY often and got pretty good in it, buit latley I've been upping some spits and such just for a change of pace and quick base defense. I'll be back in the 38 soon though. Only one I fly really is the G.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: killnu on December 14, 2006, 09:49:18 PM: Ive tried to fly it on occasion.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: clerick on December 14, 2006, 10:01:29 PM: i LOVE the 38, but being a noob i'm still dealing with this HUGE learning curve.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Grits on December 14, 2006, 10:01:35 PM: I fly the 38 when I want to do a buff run. I wish HT would lets us have formations of 38's for level bombing.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Stang on December 14, 2006, 10:21:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Grits
I fly the 38 when I want to do a buff run. I wish HT would lets us have formations of 38's for level bombing.
I thought it was a bomber, though? I mean comeon, it has two engines. Anything that has two engines has to be a bomber... why no formation??

:huh :cry
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Guppy35 on December 14, 2006, 11:05:34 PM: P38G

Is there anything else? :)
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Grits on December 14, 2006, 11:35:07 PM: I would fly the G a lot if not for that horrid armor glass. I dont know if its just the way I fly, but when I reverse and set up for one of those really close snapshots as they pass in front of you, its EXACTLY where I naturally set the enemy plane up for the shot. I want to like the G but I can not come to terms with that awful glass.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Guppy35 on December 15, 2006, 01:28:51 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Grits
I would fly the G a lot if not for that horrid armor glass. I dont know if its just the way I fly, but when I reverse and set up for one of those really close snapshots as they pass in front of you, its EXACTLY where I naturally set the enemy plane up for the shot. I want to like the G but I can not come to terms with that awful glass.

I don't even notice it anymore. It's interesting that when i get in an L or a J the view bothers me cause I'm used to the G. Just took time i guess.

And I like those snapshots you refer to :)
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 15, 2006, 01:57:49 AM: I got absolutely Murdred tonight. It was a blast! I hope to see more of you guys in Blue Sky: Maximum Realism.
Title: ^^^^
Post by: Rubber on December 15, 2006, 11:49:52 AM: P-38J mostly
P-51B secondary
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Shuffler on December 15, 2006, 11:57:14 AM: P-38 G, J and L

CHARLIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Damionte on December 15, 2006, 12:02:20 PM: P-38L

"Oh god they took my kidney!"
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: TwinBoom on December 15, 2006, 02:05:02 PM: never tried the 38 is it any good at vulching?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: viper215 on December 15, 2006, 02:15:19 PM: I fly the 38L J G mostly every sortie...
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 15, 2006, 04:03:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by viper215
I fly the 38L J G mostly every sortie...

liar, spixteen dweeb :p
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: MotorOil1 on December 15, 2006, 04:09:43 PM: I can fly it as long as no one shoots at me. :eek:
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Whisky58 on December 15, 2006, 05:11:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Hoarach

How can you not fly something with 2 engines. [/B]

2 engines - must be some sort of bomber.

:)
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: clerick on December 16, 2006, 12:23:39 AM: Though this was interesting and appropriate...

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P38.html
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: shooter1cac on December 16, 2006, 09:55:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TwinBoom
never tried the 38 is it any good at vulching?

Bwahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Silat on December 17, 2006, 12:25:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Benny Moore
It's pretty simple. Please just post here if you fly the Lockheed P-38 exclusively or almost exclusively. I'd just like to know who all of the Lightning fliers are.

You couldnt pay me to fly that overmodeled piece of junk...
What is the second engine for anyway?
Title: Re: Re: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Max on December 17, 2006, 12:54:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Silat

What is the second engine for anyway?

It provides aux. power for the Teen Squelch device :D
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Tails on December 17, 2006, 02:49:59 PM: I love that spare engine. Comes in real handy!
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 17, 2006, 04:10:41 PM: Aerial had a great time in your H2H room this afternoon

Any time you want to duel again just holler and we'll go a few more rounds.

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 17, 2006, 04:11:31 PM: I was just schooled by Ack-Ack. A real pleasure, but very humbling; he usually took less than two turns after the merge to nail me. I'm looking forward to more of this. You, too, Guppy, come on!
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: crockett on December 17, 2006, 05:42:11 PM: Well I'm still a noob at this game, but I've always liked the p-38. I've been flying it, pretty much exclusively with the occasional P51 run. However the more I fly the p-38 the less I want to fly anything else.

My only complaint about the P-38's is the engines seem to get knocked out very easily.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: LEADPIG on December 17, 2006, 07:43:19 PM: Is this for the P-38 therapy group..... Yes my name is Ledpig and i fly the P-38 Lightning almost exclusively . (cries):cry I have a problem, i ask all you lovely people to forgive me, sometimes i cheat with the F-4u Corsair (cries) :cry :cry

Ledpig < ==== sinks back into addiction......:(
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: LEADPIG on December 17, 2006, 07:49:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Benny Moore
I was just schooled by Ack-Ack. A real pleasure, but very humbling; he usually took less than two turns after the merge to nail me. I'm looking forward to more of this. You, too, Guppy, come on!

When i started this game i sought out the best pilots in the game and tried to duel with them, They killed me everytime, but you know what, i learned something now i don't get killed so much and have more fun. I wish more noobs would do this, they might have more fun in the end too. A wise man once said: Getting killed is the easiest way to learn

P.S. I still suck :)
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: LEADPIG on December 17, 2006, 07:53:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
Most of the time unless there's a squadron type thing going on.

Btw Golfer who in world is that hottie in your avatar.... hope it's not your daughter....cause then i didn't say anything :D :p
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Golfer on December 17, 2006, 07:57:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by LEADPIG
Btw Golfer who in world is that hottie in your avatar.... hope it's not your daughter....cause then i didn't say anything :D :p

Jennifer Nettles of Sugarland.

Exactly how old do you think I am that I'd have a daughter who looked like that?!:confused: :huh :( :cry

Here's a full size version:
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/sugarlandjen/userinfo.jpg)

The old one was a personal one...her:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/856_1166407282_trisspool.jpg)

Her and a friend...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/856_1166407372_body3.jpg)

Well...I better not get carried away. At least this thread is worthwhile with hot women instead of all this talk of big ugly 2 engined airplanes.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: LEADPIG on December 17, 2006, 08:05:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
Jennifer Nettles of Sugarland.

Exactly how old do you think I am that I'd have a daughter who looked like that?!:confused: :huh :( :cry

Crap Sugarland, Tx, that's like 30 miles from me? I'm from Houston. Oh and i'm 28 so i think everyones old, though i'm narrowing (gasp) on "maturity" myself :( :confused: :cry
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Golfer on December 17, 2006, 08:45:46 PM: Well you've got me beat, old timer.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: iaqmya on December 17, 2006, 08:51:17 PM: I do, because it requries less trim and I like having two engines. I can survive onone.

Also, I like its high alt performance :)
\
But also be advised. I have now idea what I am taling about :D

I also have very many wierd thoughts about this game :noid :noid
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Golfer on December 17, 2006, 09:09:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by iaqmya
I also have very many wierd thoughts about this game :noid :noid

That is not natural.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on December 17, 2006, 09:25:55 PM: I took a break from the P-38 early this year early this year, and then took a break from the game completely for a while. I've only recently started flying the arenas again, and have only a few hops in the P-38, as I am really rusty, and never was that good to begin with. If the racing schedule allows (I'm swamped with engines to build) I'll try to get some more time, and I'm going to head to the TA for some serious refresher courses. I know some of my P-38 buddies would like nothing more than to give me a really good thrashing for hours on end.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2006, 09:26:00 PM: I'm just east of Houston myself...
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 17, 2006, 11:32:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by LEADPIG
I have a problem, i ask all you lovely people to forgive me, sometimes i cheat with the F-4u Corsair

The SAPP high council is currently evaluating ledpig and the actions to be taken against said person.

Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
At least this thread is worthwhile with hot women instead of all this talk of big ugly 2 engined airplanes.

Golfer has been excommunicated
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: LEADPIG on December 19, 2006, 12:47:38 AM: What's the Sapp council

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

The Corsair's just my mistress but i'm married to the beautiful P-38......honest :cry :confused:
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Guppy35 on December 19, 2006, 12:50:11 AM: What's the SAPP Council he says.....tsk tsk tsk

He's making the decision that much easier. Tis a shame when they stray from the path........:furious
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: clerick on December 19, 2006, 10:54:42 AM: i want to join the SAPP!! is there an initiation? Eat goldfish? get paddled? Thank you sir may i have another!
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 19, 2006, 03:35:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Guppy35
What's the SAPP Council he says.....tsk tsk tsk

He's making the decision that much easier. Tis a shame when they stray from the path........:furious

LET'S TAR AND FEATHER HIM!!!

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 19, 2006, 03:37:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by clerick
i want to join the SAPP!! is there an initiation? Eat goldfish? get paddled? Thank you sir may i have another!

Well...the initiation involves a few dozen bottles of Lanolin, a freshly sheered ewe, some rope, a bullwhip, a barrel and a Finnish midget.

ack-ack
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Murdr on December 19, 2006, 03:46:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Well...the initiation involves a few dozen bottles of Lanolin, a freshly sheered ewe, some rope, a bullwhip, a barrel and a Finnish midget.

ack-ack
I thought we decided to keep that info on a need to know basis?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Guppy35 on December 19, 2006, 03:46:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Well...the initiation involves a few dozen bottles of Lanolin, a freshly sheered ewe, some rope, a bullwhip, a barrel and a Finnish midget.

ack-ack

And that's just for starters!
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: clerick on December 19, 2006, 03:57:43 PM: w007! Then count me in brothers!
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2006, 04:29:54 PM: There may be a slight technicality involving any possible initiation of Clerick... See Section 12 Item 9 Paragraph 2 of the SAPP Indoctrination Procedures Manual. That in itself is a minimal requirement and we have no idea of his past with sheep.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Guppy35 on December 19, 2006, 05:11:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Shuffler
There may be a slight technicality involving any possible initiation of Clerick... See Section 12 Item 9 Paragraph 2 of the SAPP Indoctrination Procedures Manual. That in itself is a minimal requirement and we have no idea of his past with sheep.

There's been a lot of reports of missing sheep in the Rochester area. That might be an indication.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: pluck on December 19, 2006, 05:18:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by clerick
i want to join the SAPP!! is there an initiation? Eat goldfish? get paddled? Thank you sir may i have another!

initiation-yes
eat goldfish-no
paddling- depends
thank you sir may i have another-certainly

think we are just getting started, we haven't elected a PR representitive yet, but i did miss the last meeting. personally i'm holding out for chief whiskey inspector, but i can't get into the details:noid
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: LEADPIG on December 20, 2006, 03:40:37 AM: I have two things to say ..... that being

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

and

:noid :noid :noid :noid
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 21, 2006, 09:52:42 PM: So what can you all tell me about the P-38's best climb speed and angle? The Pilots Manual has a chart for various weights, altitudes, and power settings, but I'm not sure if the Aces High II P-38 has the same climbing ability as the real P-38.

Back in Pacific Fighters (terrible game), I discovered that the P-38L's best climb speed was about 180 M.P.H. However, the P-38 in Aces High is somewhat different. In Aces High, I estimate that with a light P-38L my best climb speed is about 175 M.P.H. But I'm unable to outclimb, long-term, the better Zeke fliers (they always end up far behind me but slightly above me), so I know I must be doing something wrong. Should I be climbing slower, or what?

I have the same sort of problem with my zoom climb. In Pacific Fighters, I determined that my best climb angle was the same angle that my ship was at when I was climbing at best climb speed - somewhere around twenty degrees. But again, in Aces High this "feels" too shallow, and doesn't get me above ships like the Hurricane and the Zeke - ships that I should be able to outclimb. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 21, 2006, 10:06:19 PM: Sounds to me like you are describing a typical climb meant for long term altitude gain. In this area fighters such as 109s perform much better. When people say the P38 has a great climbing ability, it is typically meant vertical ability to hang on its prop. Here is where you will see it's true advantages. It has no torque, and two powerful engines, which allow it to stay in a nose up position longer and under better control than most single engine fighters.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 21, 2006, 10:35:58 PM: Right. In the game I came from, the long-term climb was the only way to outclimb ships such as the Zeke. If you both started on the deck at equal energy states, by keeping your angle shallow you would eventually end up about a thousand feet higher than him by the time you almost lost sight of him behind you. A combat turn or a Immelmann would then let you reverse and re-engage with a 1,000 foot altitude advantage.

In Aces High, however, this doesn't appear to work. It seems that either the Zeke climbs better than the Zeke in Pacific Fighters, or I'm doing something wrong. Should I be able to out-climb, long term, a Zeke if we start out with equal energy states? I'm not talking about the steep hammerhead rope trick.

Here's the picture I used for my P-38 lessons (don't laugh, I really was "the P-38 man" in Pacific Fighters, mostly because no one flew it). The drawing is not at all to scale.

(http://users.adelphia.net/~j.r.engdahl/josh/anti-Zeke%20maneuver.gif)
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 21, 2006, 10:46:32 PM: You wont necessarily outclimb it long term. It will be around the same actual climb, but the P38 will be going faster so will gain seperation in the long run. At higher altitudes a P38 should outclimb a zero like you're talking about.

Also depends on which zeke you are talking about
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 21, 2006, 10:50:33 PM: Hmmm ... in Pacific Fighters, the higher you got the harder it got to do this maneuver. I told my "students" to try to drag the Zeke down to the deck, turn a few circles with him to blow his energy, then go to step one in the picture.

I tried this with a very good Zeke pilot in Aces High the other day, and although I went all the way up to 20,000 feet he stayed with me (although, as you said, horizontal seperation increased). I finally gave up and started close-in dogfighting with him.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 21, 2006, 11:06:24 PM: Diving to the deck isn't a bad idea, the P38 can retain E better than the zero and would be able to regain more alt than the zero. That is of course, assuming the zero followed you all the way down.
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 21, 2006, 11:20:18 PM: Care for a few friendly fights?
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Raptor on December 22, 2006, 12:14:50 AM: sure
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 22, 2006, 12:17:11 AM: Excellent! Check the eight player servers for Blue Sky: Maximum Realism. I'm throwing it up right now.

[edit]And a fine time we had in the sky! Though we never did get around to the Zeke versus Lightning stuff. I was having too much fun. That was some excellent flying, Raptor. If ever you get a joystick, I don't know what I'll do. You'll be able to knock me down with one hand tied behind your back - literally. You know, there's a good reason real airplanes have a stick or yoke and not a mouse. I salute you, sir![/edit]
Title: Who flies P-38 exclusively or nearly so?
Post by: Benny Moore on December 22, 2006, 04:49:08 AM: If you're following this thread, you've probably seen this. But in the case that you have not, it would be a great shame for you to miss this. I've watched it many times and it never fails to bring me great joy.

http://p38whitelightnin.com/gallery/vid/LEFTY-384K.WMV

As you watch the beautiful display Lefty put on for us, remember that he risked his life in a B-17 a little over sixty years ago. It was his generation of Americans (and you Brits, Ozzies, Canucks, and the rest) who are responsible for us being able to do what we do. I have a hunch that if they were as complacent as my generation is, we would not be able to own computers because they cost many Reichmarks. And that would probably be the least of our worries. Salute, Lefty, and thank you.