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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vudak on December 14, 2006, 09:45:06 PM
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So my friend is in AA and is sponsoring a young kid who is also in the program... They stopped by tonight on their way back to their neck of the woods for a cigarette or two...
We got talking about this and that, and eventually the topic came up about how I'm a history major... We start discussing WW2 and the kid says "Hey, check this out." He lifts up his shirt and shows me the tattoo on his back. Iron Cross with a skull and SS lightning bolts.
The kid's 15.
I dunno. It just really rocked me. What a complete, total, disgraceful failure of society as a whole... It takes a village and all and look what turned up... It's shameful... His history teachers have completely failed him...
I gave him a good chewing out... I basically told him, "yeah, you're young, and you're stupid, and you're impressionable, and you've found this 'great' speaker, you've found all the symmetry and the power colors and the nationalistic pride and such... And you fell for it head over heels... But one day, hopefully, you're going to realize what an idiot you are... Be careful, you play with fire" and all that...
It's pretty depressing.
Kind of a pointless post, I suppose. But I just found it interesting that kids like him are still popping up. And I have to wonder what the hell went wrong.
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Should have told him that if he was so proud of his tattoo, and truely believed in what it stood for, then he should take a ride to Hartford, Bridgeport or New Haven and walk down the middle of Main Street at 2 am shirtless... =)
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just get him a copy of 'American History X'
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....curbs.
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stomp! CRACK!
*shudders*
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
stomp! CRACK!
*shudders*
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I doubt he's a real Nazi. Probably doesnt even know what the symbols mean. Like a lot of the tardboys with pentagrams, they arent really devil worshippers, they just do it to be as anti-social as they can be. They all know the social "buttons" to push. Get a swastika, get a SS symbol, get a .
...Doesnt make it any less depressing though, so many young people seem angry and without any real sense of direction.
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not always true warloc! alot of the time, kids will take on these bizzare affections not just to be actively anti-social to other humans, but to be 'different'.
the desire to not follow the sheep's path is strongest in children, and in a world bent wrong on consumer madness and stereotyped lifestyles, often the young rebel may find no other directions to turn than the most offensive and shocking just to get people to notice that he/she is 'not like the rest of you'.
this kid is 15, and already a member of an AA group. his life has obviously been far from normal.
before he got that tattoo, i wonder how many people took the time to know him well enough, and therefore be able to nurture his unique mind onto a path that would benefit him and others. nah, they probably just beat him, told him he was stupid, then never even noticed when he started sneaking out at night and hanging around in a gang with other non-conformists.
once you have a gang of these youths, it only takes the most respected and feared of them to swing the whole group in a certain direction. If said 'leader of the pack' decides that the gang of 10 are going to be nazis.....
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What is AA?
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Originally posted by 1K3
What is AA?
AA is a Jewish youth group - kind of like Boy Scouts - it's what makes this whole nazi thing really bizzzare with this kid...
Oy Vey!
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lol i thought he meant an alcoholics group, what with sponsering and that. I had a family memeber beat the drink in AA and when she started she had a 'sponser' who looked after her. in the end she did the same for a new member.
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The chances that this kid makes enough of himself to make any sort of lasting negative impact on this world are neglible. The chances that he has and will get the piss beaten out of him, repeatedly, and wind up in prison are high. He is more than likely to do more damage to himself than to anyone else. Thankfully, he is a member of a small and highly disfavored minority. He is his own worst enemy, and a tragedy to his family. Otherwise, a sad little statistic of which the world will take little notice.
It's the people without the tattoos, the people with the brains and the calculated hatred that are scary.
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those are ussually aryan nation dweebs out this way ...
ive met a few in my time .. and they are a total joke ... the worst part is they promote racism and the im better then you BS,you dont deserve to live, and try to create as much chaos as possiable for no real reason ...
just ask him why do you hate other races/colours ect .. that ussually leads them into steping over there own tongue fairly quick .
hopefully after that you can teach him some insite into the real world ... colour,race,religion,political preference just doesnt matter were all here to coesist with each other ...
as my Dad taught me "Do you really think the Black cow cares that the white cow is white or visa versa ? " (Roo family philosophy 101)
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Not a real nazi, just a wannabe. I've met real former nazis they're actually pretty good old guys.
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Originally posted by Suave
Not a real nazi, just a wannabe. I've met real former nazis they're actually pretty good old guys.
Former Nazis or just former members of the Wermacht? I'm assuming that not all of them bought into the ideology.
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Has everybody forgotten Izzy?
:D
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See if the kid will get the tattoo removed if someone else pays for the procedure. You might find a special interest group or church that would be willing to pay for the removal...
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There's a job to do. Try to convince him to erase it and replace it with a RAF roundel :D
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I know a sign that would be very amusing to tattoo on his forehead when he was asleep :D
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Originally posted by Vudak
So my friend is in AA and is sponsoring a young kid who is also in the program... They stopped by tonight on their way back to their neck of the woods for a cigarette or two...
We got talking about this and that, and eventually the topic came up about how I'm a history major... We start discussing WW2 and the kid says "Hey, check this out." He lifts up his shirt and shows me the tattoo on his back. Iron Cross with a skull and SS lightning bolts.
The kid's 15.
I dunno. It just really rocked me. What a complete, total, disgraceful failure of society as a whole... It takes a village and all and look what turned up... It's shameful... His history teachers have completely failed him...
I gave him a good chewing out... I basically told him, "yeah, you're young, and you're stupid, and you're impressionable, and you've found this 'great' speaker, you've found all the symmetry and the power colors and the nationalistic pride and such... And you fell for it head over heels... But one day, hopefully, you're going to realize what an idiot you are... Be careful, you play with fire" and all that...
It's pretty depressing.
Kind of a pointless post, I suppose. But I just found it interesting that kids like him are still popping up. And I have to wonder what the hell went wrong.
That is how people get killed.
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Kids like that are a dime a dozen...
Re: "the failure of society" :noid
The higher you strive, the further the fall, should you falter.
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In my motorcycle "club" days... there were a lot of antisocial tats on us. 1% is really the same sort of thing. 13 whatever.. they were there to set us apart and to anger or cause fear. I have had a lot of em covered up with a pretty large dragon but I still have a small pair of lightning bolts.
It was not meant to show sympathy with the nazi party or even to show race hatred (tho I was a racist at the time). It was there to show a seperation of myself from the rest of society... that is a very grandiose explanation for what, at the time, was really drug induced impulse behavior but it is fairly accurate.... we just didn't really think of what the reasons were so much as understood them to be amoung ourselves.
People dress and appear certain ways for a reason. It is mostly to identify themselves to others of the same mindset more than to be individuals.
lazs
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Well, some people dress like this :D
(http://k53.pbase.com/g4/51/542251/2/65103650.rIVl58GM.jpg)
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Those fallen angel's wings look good on you Angus :D
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You think this squint is me. Naaa, I look much meaner :D
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but do the heiffers agree?
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years ago in a "biker" bar near Daytona a biker dude walked up to me and after proudly showing off his tat( I dont remember if it was a swastika or the bolts) he began the "how america is being ruined by "
before he finished ( I had been at the NASCAR race so I was sufficiently toasted) I broke in and said something to the effect of .. "my 80 year old father and his brothers didn't get on a boat in 1944 and risk ther f**** lives to win a g***d***mn war so the 40 G***D**mn years later I would have to stand in a bar in AMERICA and look at a piece of S**T like you with that fluff'ng crap[ on your arm"
the guy just stopped and walked away! and for the rest of the evening one of the bouncers was standing right by the table my friends and I were at.
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Just one? I met that type almost everyday.
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I think that 15-year old is just going through those "phases". He's like other people who thinks communism is cool. He'll get over that nazism quick.
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Yup
PHASES. Mine was punk rock of course back in the day. Ah yes B-52s, Adam Ant, Stray Cats. I wore a Rising Sun Jap flag and zippered black jeans. I would go to White Castle. Save one. Put it under my 68 Chev Impala. BRAKE STAND LOL!!!
I thought I was cool as this kid does too. WWII unfortuneately on one hand and fortunately on the other hand, is fading. So kids trying to get attention etc will do these things.
Doubt it will last. No need to feel that down dude.
KILL:D
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Its dangerous if these gullible kids get indoctrinated by Hate Groups (TM). Ever seen the Prussian Blue girls? These bright girls with talent are permanently damaged because of their mother's homeschooling and indoctrination.
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Greetings,
Kids today are okay by and large. I work with a lot of the best you will ever see. It will be okay. In my humble opinion, the future is in good hands.
Regards,
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Vudak,
I'll see your fifteen year old poop-brained nazi wannabe and raise you a seventeen year old sex-offender who molests four, five, and six year old children. He just transferred into our unit this week.
You think YOU'RE depressed. I gotta look at this piece of garbage every day. There was something about this kid that made my skin crawl even before I read his file.
Regards, Shuckins
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Sterilize the kid before he reproduces.
Was the tatoo a professional style or amateur? A professional tatoo artist should be jailed if he put a tat on a 15 yr old. Especially one like that.
It is sad to be aware of someone making such a huge mistake on his body that will be so hard to remedy when his brain develops later.
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What about parents? Schoolmates?
Anybody up here with a Nazi tattoo would be picked on.
Oh, FBplmmr:
"years ago in a "biker" bar near Daytona a biker dude walked up to me and after proudly showing off his tat( I dont remember if it was a swastika or the bolts) he began the "how america is being ruined by "
before he finished ( I had been at the NASCAR race so I was sufficiently toasted) I broke in and said something to the effect of .. "my 80 year old father and his brothers didn't get on a boat in 1944 and risk ther f**** lives to win a g***d***mn war so the 40 G***D**mn years later I would have to stand in a bar in AMERICA and look at a piece of S**T like you with that fluff'ng crap[ on your arm"
the guy just stopped and walked away! and for the rest of the evening one of the bouncers was standing right by the table my friends and I were at."
I met fellow countrymen who were Nazi's on the internet, - years ago. In the times of IRC and MIRC. I gave them a history based beating through the text, and they promised to explain their rather "positive breed" cause by mail. (Their knowledge of history was rather....sorry and sad).
So they sent me their paper for months, (I think they got stopped in the end), and I had loads of laughter and people coming over to read this crap for fun.
But the 15 years old are in the age of maybe not understanding....Normal... and it is definately a parent's issue to deal with this.
Anyway, those guys just make me see red colours, lol, and maybe that's my drive for digging so much into history. And the more I dig, the more I see, and it makes me even more mean! I hate "hate based" stupidity spawning amoungst young people, and I belive that IF everyone was enlightened and informed enough, we would not have many a problem.
So, back to that kid, - after an AA lesson he should get a history lesson by a person skilled enough to make him wipe off his tattoo.
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P.S.
The Iranian conference on the Holocaust was quite a drill, and in modern days complicates everything. Now the Muslim guys are trying to paint the Jews into the corner!
Anyway, I was at Dachau, Auswitczh (SP) and Birkenau, and (being familiar with slaughterhouses for lifestock) I have no doubts what so ever that the deal credited got pulled off.
I reccommend the visit, - I am still digesting it and it was 8 years ago.
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There are plenty of real Nazis out there who don't have tattoos. Half of them don't even realise they are Nazis. That's the real danger. It would be so convenient if all Nazis had a tattoo identifying them. Fascism never went away. It just changed out of it's uniform.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
There are plenty of real Nazis out there who don't have tattoos. Half of them don't even realise they are Nazis. That's the real danger. It would be so convenient if all Nazis had a tattoo identifying them. Fascism never went away. It just changed out of it's uniform.
And there are plenty who make baseless accusations of "nazi" based on emotion or a desire to insult, without any proof of action or ideology.
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:furious <-- Facist Smilie :D
I agree too many people brand other folks as facist and they don't even have the first clue as to what it means. Certain higher education establishments like to indoc., young minds to this term, and teach them to lable anything that does not conform to their way of thinking as facist.
You have to love it though. Once these said young mind finds out how unfair 60 - 70 % confiscatory taxation and/or forced redistribution of wealth is. They usually drop the ideology.
KILLL:D
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One more thing. DAGO!!!! Where can I get that avatar? Love it!:lol
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Originally posted by KILLLJOY
One more thing. DAGO!!!! Where can I get that avatar? Love it!:lol
Sent on a pm
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Hopefully this kid will stick with going to AA meetings and stay sober. If he does his views on a lot of areas in life will change for the better. It did for me.
Lambo
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(http://users.adelphia.net/~j.r.engdahl/josh/Donald%20Duck%20Hitler.gif)
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One of the great joys of working with 'troubled teens' is when I get one of those guys and get to teach him history for a couple weeks.
I absolutley ram it down their throats, and as those who know me can tell ya, I can go WW2 history for years at a time.
They usually end up feeling very dumb and clueless in a fairly short time. Most scream 'uncle' fairly quickly :)
Explaining to them what would have been done with them instead of sending them to a shelter for help, usually is a good place to start.