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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LYNX on December 15, 2006, 05:09:02 AM
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On goes me computer. All loadsa up. Turns off some stuff then Click-a-dee-click on Aces High. Into the game. Into LWb because it has most players and I gets "The" pop up. My side is imbalanced. I have the three choices.
1) Go next door to an empty arena. Err ...no thanks. To slow plus I'll be accused of creaming it for me rank.
2) Do the honourable thing and swap sides. Err....no thanks. I captured some bases for Rooks in this arena yesterday. Yer, OK , AH to some degree is one big hamster wheel but thats taking the piss if you think I'll dismantle my work from yesterday. It's like unclocking me hamster wheel.
3) Wait in the tower until clear to take off. Righty-O....that's the 1 for me. "you are 1 in a queue of 1". Goodie goodie gum drops this ain't gonna be long. :cool:
Then what do I see ? You'll love the Irony. On country channel a newbie "anyone need a gunner"...repeated a couple of times. Then a different newbie " I need escorts".
I was like :rolleyes: then I was :furious. Me thinking "hold the F*** on. I'm paying 15 bucks to sit in the tower while some 2 weeker takes up valuable space". Some kid, some 2 week quitter, the fastest nintendo mouse clicker kid this side of the 8th Air Force is "tooling" around and I'm sat in tower....:rolleyes:
Oh well, happy endings was cleared for "take off" inside 3 minutes. :D
So...I got to finking. Christmas upon us. Influx of the newbies. Repeat cases of vet in tower and newbies on the loose......
Would it be fair that the "bread and butter" (paying) customer takes precedence over the free load... err I mean new potential customer ? After all if the newbies in tower asking to be a gunner. He stands a chance of being there some time. Why not make the Vet "Clear to Take Off" while the newbs doing nothing. :D.
Or why not make all 2 weeks free guys auto balance in every arena on everyday they attend.... no exceptions until they sign up. Even give the newb a "sign up now" option. Similar to an Ebay "buy it now" option.
They'll see more of the community. They'll take AH as it is now.
Recap :-
Paying customers to take pride of place.
New customers to be introduced to all sides by means of lowest side autobalancer. Every day and every arena until 2 weeks up.
New customers to have a "buy it now" option if the want to pick a side earlier than the 2 weeks expiry. (any chance of 5% royalties for that gem ? :D )
Newbie that quit made to apologies to every single guy they've caused to be stuck in tower.
I know we was all newbies once but we was newbs under a different system and yes "whats 3 minutes"? 3 minutes is rather trivial I'll admit but they'll be a time like school brakes, bank and seasonal holidays where ones wait may well be longer.
I submit the motion to the house.
p.s Auto chuffle of newbies would also help hinder the persistant 2 weeker.
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Or you could be half-way decent and actually switch sides once in a while. It won't kill you. I spent roughly equal amounts of time on each side.
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I guess patience is a....dying virtue.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Or you could be half-way decent and actually switch sides once in a while. It won't kill you. I spent roughly equal amounts of time on each side.
I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave a moment ago.
2) Do the honourable thing and swap sides. Err....no thanks. I captured some bases for Rooks in this arena yesterday. Yer, OK , AH to some degree is one big hamster wheel but that's taking the piss if you think I'll dismantle my work from yesterday. It's like unclocking me hamster wheel.
Any part of the above you don't understand and I'll gladly answer.
Do you think auto balancing the newbies to be counter to game play, business acumen or just plain trivial.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Err....no thanks. I captured some bases for Rooks in this arena yesterday.
So capture some for the knights, or bishops!
IT"S A GAME !!! :rolleyes:
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or try moving squad for the long term to a different country that might need you more?
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See Rules #4, #5
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
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IT"S A GAME !!! :rolleyes:
You know what a game is?
A game is when you do as if it is not a game. ;)
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i hope one day this bollocks is all dropped in favour of the old system.
Agreed
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Originally posted by LYNX
Paying customers to take pride of place.
New customers to be introduced to all sides by means of lowest side autobalancer. Every day and every arena until 2 weeks up.
New customers to have a "buy it now" option if the want to pick a side earlier than the 2 weeks expiry. (any chance of 5% royalties for that gem ? :D )
Newbie that quit made to apologies to every single guy they've caused to be stuck in tower.
I know we was all newbies once but we was newbs under a different system and yes "whats 3 minutes"? 3 minutes is rather trivial I'll admit but they'll be a time like school brakes, bank and seasonal holidays where ones wait may well be longer.
I submit the motion to the house.
p.s Auto chuffle of newbies would also help hinder the persistant 2 weeker.
Great ideas Lynx. :aok
To some of us, switching sides is not an option. I've been in the same country since my two-week trial period. Loyalty to a cartoon country may sound silly, but I see it as loyalty to the friends I fly with. So I fly for the same country whether we outnumber the opposition or are out numbered by them.
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I'm with you Lynx
Nice post. Maybe you should Bunk the queue order due to rank.
Or be allowed to remove a player that has a high pitched voice.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
remove a player that has a high pitched voice.
That is an excellent idea :rofl
There is one guy that sounds like a kid with colic whenever you are fortunate enough to be within earshot.
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Originally posted by Casinoman
I guess patience is a....dying virtue.
Of which I have very little. Hands up on this charge but guys are missing my point. More below.
from Fugitive
IT"S A GAME !!!
It is for sure a game. Many ways, rules and incentives to a game but I draw your attention to what I said.... that's taking the piss if you think I'll dismantle my work from yesterday. Your assumption of AH rules are one of anarchy.
Our person perceptions of AH rules my differ but the thread isn't about me or you swapping sides or either of us being patient enough to wait in tower. It's about newbies.....make all 2 weeks free guys auto balance in every arena on everyday they attend
Firstly, my appols if I didn't make myself clear :rolleyes:
I gave an example.
Gave good account of the reasoning, so I thought:rolleyes:
Gave a fair way of helping the balance.
Gave an incentive to sign up quicker.
Maybe I need to find another way of expressing what it is, you guys think it is, I'm saying. :noid
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"The horror...the horror..."
(http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes5/apocalypse-brando2.jpeg)
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INcredible, yet another thread.
(http://smitz.blogg.se/images/kid_crying_1143251219.jpg)
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2 weekers and noobs would be welcome and switching sides if HT accepted
The Pledge of those who would be Pawns (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=194382)
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I played all 3 sides in AW..It was fun fighting against the other guys now and then,or winging WITH them against the third....Oh my...co operation between 2 against the third??? This I wont switch sides thing just shows the pursuite of points as a driving factor.So ya undo today what ya did yesterday...SO what?Resets are gonna be long in coming now anyway.Its the journey,not the destination.Im betting you never rode a cycle just to ride it.:rolleyes:
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I'll dismantle my work from yesterday.
This part right here is the biggest reason why I don't change sides. I would rather sit in the tower and wait then take back bases that I worked so hard to get the day, the hour or just a few minuits befor.
Don't get me wrong I actually like having even #'s and I see where the balancer is probably about the only way to get them but I'm tired of seeing the "JUST CHANGE SIDES" statement all the time. That works well for those that arn't going for the long term goal of the game but not so much for those of us that want our side to win...
Changing sides might be an option after the war has been won and the map resets but I don't see the point of changing sides in the middle of the current fight.
To me it would be like say if I was American or Bitish in WW2 and had worked hard to defeat the Germans then at some point I said hold on I want to be German now... :confused:
I might think about changing sides after my long term goal has been achieved and try being (German) for a war but I just don't see the point in hopping back and forth in the middle of a fight. I might as well join a boxing legue and beat the crap ot of myself. :)
I know some of you still won't get the point but I tried to get it across..
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Play chess against yourself?:huh
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Originally posted by DrDea
I played all 3 sides in AW..It was fun fighting against the other guys now and then,or winging WITH them against the third....Oh my...co operation between 2 against the third??? This I wont switch sides thing just shows the pursuite of points as a driving factor.So ya undo today what ya did yesterday...SO what?Resets are gonna be long in coming now anyway.Its the journey,not the destination.Im betting you never rode a cycle just to ride it.:rolleyes:
Nope if I go out of the house I want a reason to burn the gas.
Your thought that points are a driving factor is way off because I don't care about points/perks one bit...
Do you ever set long term goals? To me fighting for my side in a game to reach the end, in this case the reset is one such goal.
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Originally posted by Goth
INcredible, yet another thread.
(http://smitz.blogg.se/images/kid_crying_1143251219.jpg)
the real babys are the ones who whined about the sides being 'unfair'
they are the reason we have this stupid new system, imo.
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Lynx:
I understand your position, especially since you really enjoy the base taking aspects of the game.
Just a question -- there ARE 2 LW arenas, and every time I look I see one has low rooks and one high rook #s. Neither are "empty" like EW, MW.
I missed why that kind of arena change wasnt an option....
If there was a specific reason only that arena would do, then well -- when I'm in that kind of situation, I remind myself that no where in life can you have everything. Each time I choose something that's a high priority for me, I know that lower priority things will take a hit.
And if you have multiple absolutely top priority values -- only one acceptable country, and only one acceptable arena -- it seems to me that you can flat out expect that there will be a cost. In consolation, you can remind yourself that you are getting exactly the things that are most important to YOU.
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after all the different changes that have been implemented lately.
this new one seems to make the most sense.
i really don,t mind waiting a few minutes to get into the arena of my choice.
you guys gotta admit, HiTech has been tryin real hard, and puttin up with alot of infantile flack.
i didn,t really see any problems before the sky fell, but thats just me.
sometimes one side had the numbers.
sometimes a different side had the numbers.
i don,t think it bothered alot of people.
but the people it did bother,most certainly let it be known that it did.
after much experimentation, i think HiTech has come up with a solution
that isn,t too bad.
gentlemen ---i submit --it could have been alot worse!!!!!
thanks for the effort HT !!
HO HO HO !!!!
Boner
official "member" of AH bb s
public relations officer for boner
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See Rule #5
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I think the idea of assigning 2 week trial guys to balance is a great idea in theory and adding the "sign up now" option is genious. I just wonder how many of these two weekers there really are at any time though. I'd guess not enough to make a big difference.
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this thread makes me :rofl
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Originally posted by FiLtH
See Rule #5
filth as a player i respect you. but really, you think HT is such a sucker that he allows a small portion of the community to dictate to him how the game should be? are you kidding me. it's one thing to be upset because you don't like the changes. it's another to go on and on, that you don't like the changes, and they are due to a couple of people using HT as some form of puppet. if you agree with changes, you are a suck-up, ya thats it. way to be an adult. way to rally to your cause which i assume is from the above statement is that HT is a puppet controlled by a few players. then, can't state case, just proceed into name calling and childish behavior, i'm sure it will get you far, good luck with that:aok
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Pluck...the only cause I have related to this game is the fun I get out of it. I'm a disappointed, and frustrated player, who used to love a game. The game I love is dying. Something else is trying to take its place. And I should be happy about it? Sorry I don't mince words. I'm not happy with the way he's running things.
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While i certainly wouldnt say i wasa fan of the new system.. at all, i wonder if you considered this one thing. (Im sure you prolly did, but just to be sure.)
So say we go with your idea.
AH siphons all the players that are 2 weekers, or noobs, or whatever you want to call it, to the side that has the low numbers. I mean what does it matter? They dont pay (yet) and most likely arent in a squad that they care about right and havent developed any country loyalties or online "friends" in AH.
So what we end up with is a country that was already in "the bucket" that is stacked with 2 week FNGs that have NO clue what they are doing. Chances are they are going to get pounced on even worse than a random assigment to countries based on numbers.
So they have a terrible time, dont really have any fun, never learn enough to want to stick it out in the game because everyone on their team (or for the most part) is equally clueless as they are. Never have the desire to become paying customers and help the game grow and prosper.
In addition, they get tossed around and never really develop any real loyalty to a select player base (squad) or even country.
Basically in short, they never get to experience the things that make YOU (and me) love the game so much. They just arent as likely to have the kind of fun that made us stick around as paying customers for years.
Not really fair is it?
Just a thought and my $.02
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
So capture some for the knights, or bishops!
IT"S A GAME !!! :rolleyes:
whats the point in playing then?
whats the piont in doing anything for a team.
or is team non-existent in a lot of peoples vocab recently?:
i like idea lynx, there should be preference to long term paying customers, and
auto switching new guys helps balancce, helps em to get to see all the game, and lets em make a decision.
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But isnt the idea just another way to say " Make everybody else change , leave me alone"?
And, if as you say (and as I believe) that friendships and relationships are what make the game attractive....won't your suggestion make it less fun for the new guys, make them less likely to stay, and in the end hurt the game?
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Originally posted by Simaril
But isnt the idea just another way to say " Make everybody else change , leave me alone"?
And, if as you say (and as I believe) that friendships and relationships are what make the game attractive....won't your suggestion make it less fun for the new guys, make them less likely to stay, and in the end hurt the game?
was thinking it would allow them to meet as many guys as possible in 2 weeks, and then they could choose wich country they had most fun wiht.
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Originally posted by Laurie
was thinking it would allow them to meet as many guys as possible in 2 weeks, and then they could choose wich country they had most fun wiht.
Sorry Laurie, Simaril is right. He also echoed my exact point, just wasnt so long winded about it. :aok
It seems that any nay sayers (heck I start to whine from time to time and hear alot of complaints from my squad about the changes on squad night) have one thing in common. I want MY game MY way. Any changes should not affect ME, just THEM (whoever THEY happen to be that day.)
Reading your post something caught my eye. You say "...it would ALLOW them to meet as many guys as possible..."
Don't you really mean "force" them?
I for one remember being completely new, and asking all the same dumb questions, and VERY soon developing a mental list of certain players that I just got along with. If HTC FORCES 2 week noobs to hop from country to country and back again, I cant see it being easy to develop any comradery with their fellow players. And this part of the game, is the primary, if not the only, reason i still play.
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Originally posted by storch
this thread makes me :rofl
WOW, I agree with storch! Flayed's line about "long term goals" really got me chucklin. Comparing something in real life to a pointless game:lol
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:D
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Originally posted by SuperDud
WOW, I agree with storch! Flayed's line about "long term goals" really got me chucklin. Comparing something in real life to a pointless game:lol
nahhhh-----too easy!!!:D
the seasons best wishes,
Boner
official "member" of the AH BB s
public relations officer for Boner
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Originally posted by storch
See Rule #4
as usual adding his most intelligent comments to these boards!!!:rofl
you guys are gettin too predictable
not really even that funny anymore
kinda pathetic really:(
your holiday pal,
Boner
official "member" of the AH BB s
public relations officer for Boner
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Originally posted by SuperDud
WOW, I agree with storch! Flayed's line about "long term goals" really got me chucklin. Comparing something in real life to a pointless game:lol
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The game I love is dying.
Anyone have Blue Baron's post on how these games (Air Warrior, in particular) will always change, and that people will generally view the changes as being for the worse? It was a great analysis by a very clever man who had a lot of experience with these. Its central point was that you will always have a "favorite time" in the game, which you will miss when the game itself, or its player makeup, changes - which will necessarily happen. You can see it in a lot of the posts from AH people who were here when it first started and the community was smaller. The old AW crowd, who had numbers, rather than names, had a similar story (something to do with how AW went to hell when the Ten Thousand Dweebs invaded it). One of BB's most pertinent observations was something like "So you think that these new people have ruined the best part of your favorite game? Well you're the one who ruined the best part of my favorite game."
I find that I match BB's profile. I doubt I'll ever have as much fun in an air combat sim as I had when AirWarrior had a dedicated full realism fightertown. That was in 1998, if memory serves. But just because that was my favorite time doesn't mean that I'm not thoroughly enjoying myself, with an entirely different metamorphosis of that game, eight years later.
Filth, old dude, some of your friends will move on to other things (I'm remembering Pisof and HR), but you'll always make new ones (I'm thinking Filth, for example), and the central features that attracted you to this game in the first place will still be here. So stop being so depressing at Christmas, please.
- oldman
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
HT is obviously trying to move the game away from squad play.
Yep, HiTech hates squadrons so much that he is trying his best to eliminate them from the game. It's all part of the master plan that we of the Secret Association of P-38 Pilots and Hitech came up with because we hate squadrons and everything they stand for.
So if you're in a squadron, watch out! We are watching you!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
they are the reason we have this stupid new system, imo.
No, people like you that refuse to switch sides to help even things up is the reason we have this new system not the other way around. Just read some of HT's old posts in the ENY limiter threads.
ack-ack
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Am I just to vague here ? So far the only counter to my ACTUAL point was made by Loser. I'll address that in a moment.
Benny Moore, Casinoman, Fugitive, Simiril and Pluck please allow me to say your submissions are implying this thread is about me not wishing to change sides. Our personal perceptions of AH rules or doctrines, weather a side switcher or loyalist, may differ but the thread isn't about me or you swapping sides, or either of us being patient enough to wait in tower. It's about newbies. I draw you're attention to my original words.
So...I got to finking. Christmas upon us. Influx of the newbies. Repeat cases of vet in tower and newbies on the loose...... Would it be fair that the "bread and butter" (paying) customer takes precedence over the free load... err I mean new potential customer ?
Kamilyun, Goth and Storch thank you so much for those valid points with
out which, some would think this meaningless.
Bruv119 To harsh. Carrot not a stick.
Simaril said I missed why that kind of arena change wasn't an option.....
Bear in mind I am an off peak player mostly. In the opening thread I wrote 1) Go next door to an empty arena. Err ...no thanks. To slow plus I'll be accused of creaming it for me rank.
Loser... Sanity prevails. Thanks for your thoughts here.
AH siphons all the players that are 2 weekers, or noobs, or whatever you want to call it, to the side that has the low numbers. I mean what does it matter? They don't pay (yet) and most likely aren't in a squad that they care about right and haven't developed any country loyalties or online "friends" in AH.
Point in fact taken but you mentioned "haven't developed any country loyalties" which is why I think it would favour the new system over the old. This would be absolutely normal to a new customer. What they don't know they don't miss. Have you tuned into channel 6 help in prime time? There's another world there.
So they have a terrible time, don't really have any fun, never learn enough to want to stick it out in the game because everyone on their team (or for the most part) is equally clueless as they are. Never have the desire to become paying customers and help the game grow and prosper.
That's the worse case scenario. Newbies could also be handed out on a 60% / 40% basis if it looked like one country was taking a dive. Most newbies would just be grateful to fly and shoot for the first week or two but for the more switched on you could hold out a carrot ... a sign up / buy it now option. Why wait another week to pick a side, if indeed, that's what the newbie wants....he won't know or be expected to know any different.
As for Don't you really mean "force" them? Frankly, yes. Newbies would be aware of the carrot option. They'll again not be aware of any differences and besides they are in the future going be forced with SIDE IMBALANCE choices 1, 2, or 3. Unlike you and me this won't be a nightmare. This will be the normal practise for them.
I'll part with this thought to your counter argument, which I must say had valid points. Once a guy has been here awhile that's when friendships bond or loyalties form....not in 2 weeks of shooting it up. Even so, if on the rarer occasions a couple of guys formed up early they'd have the "Option" to sign in early. "Hey .... wanna fly with us ? Sign up now and come Bish / knight / Rook or squad member to blah blah".... caaaching. :aok
Meanwhile "bread and butter" paying customers won't be inconvenienced (train of thought withstanding) in summer, bank or seasonal holidays.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, people like you that refuse to switch sides to help even things up is the reason we have this new system not the other way around. Just read some of HT's old posts in the ENY limiter threads.
ack-ack
I switch sides all the time. convinient that you quote one line of my text right before skuzzy came in this thread (no prizes for gussing why he came) yet you fail to quote the next line that said i have nothing against switching sides.
I know you enjoy this kind of thing like a hobby, but when you've quite finished putting your fat hairy foot in your mouth theres a few kids off in the freeloaders forum that need harrasing. why dont you go call skuzzy on them.
[snip].... with because we hate squadrons and everything they stand for.
everything they stand for? does every squad in aces high stand for the same thing?
does hitech know you are not only putting words in his mouth, but putting foolish tard words in his mouth?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
everything they stand for? does every squad in aces high stand for the same thing?
Yes and that is why they must be eliminated.
thanks for the tip about the H2H forum, I'll dispatch Skuzzy ASAP.
ack-ack
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Yet another chapter in the ever so fasinating Aces:cry Drama arena.:mad:
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Real Life... AH is a business
Real Life... AH is a game
Depends on who's boots your wearing.
The problem is not AH ..... it is user induced.
Completely impossible to please everyone.
As far as 2 weekers...... some if not many will sign up.
I believe they deserve the same respect and place in the game as any of us. There is good and bad in all of us.
As far as not changing sides to even out, that is a matter of choice that you have in AH. If you captured 2 bases and in the unlikely event the next day the map hasn't changed.....and you want to stay on that same side, you can.
HT on the other hand has a greater responsibility to the whole community.
The AH Team is attempting to adjust the game to even the sides to improve the game as a whole. A daunting task in any game or business.
HT and Staff are working to find the best possible equlibrium among it's user base.
I like flying P-38s, however, you may find me in a GV, Ship or Bomber from time to time if I'm needed. Some nights it's furballs, some it's hitting bases..... seems we have all kinds of things happening, all you have to do is locate what your looking for and join in. You may even hear me in LW rambling on about Typphies and spits and how they take no skill.... it's all in fun.... always said with a big grin... WHY??? Because it's all fun if you make it fun.
PS I was Knit for years and never even thought of switching sides till joining the 80th. Now we change to low numbers and I have met the other 2/3 rds of the game I really didn't know about... good folks on all the teams. Now there is rarely ever a dull moment.
to all
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OMG i cant believe i didnt realise sooner!!
Ack-Ack is nothing more than a shade account hitech uses to have a little fun on the boards.:O
:noid
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Sorry Lynx...
But are you saying that only one LW arena has people in it off peak? I never realised that.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Sorry Lynx...
But are you saying that only one LW arena has people in it off peak? I never realised that.
No worries mate and none taken .
One arena maybe close to 100 folks other closer to 30. Have seen LWo with 9 guys in it. :eek:
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Originally posted by LYNX
Am I just to vague here ? So far the only counter to my ACTUAL point was made by Loser. I'll address that in a moment.
Benny Moore, Casinoman, Fugitive, Simiril and Pluck please allow me to say your submissions are implying this thread is about me not wishing to change sides. Our personal perceptions of AH rules or doctrines, weather a side switcher or loyalist, may differ but the thread isn't about me or you swapping sides, or either of us being patient enough to wait in tower. It's about newbies. I draw you're attention to my original words.
So...I got to finking. Christmas upon us. Influx of the newbies. Repeat cases of vet in tower and newbies on the loose...... Would it be fair that the "bread and butter" (paying) customer takes precedence over the free load... err I mean new potential customer ?
while i can appreciate new idea's and discussion, i guess i was taking this as, "let the noobs balance the arena so i don't have to." forgive me if this was not the case.
as to the idea of 2 weekers balancing out the arena. i thought ht already dropped them in the country of the lowest numbers. i think it is also just a harsh stand to take against 2 weekers. they were invited to play the game to see how it would be if they were a subscriber. treating them differently would only be saying "this is how it is for a 2 weeker." "once your trial is up, you can have the same advantages as everyone else." it seems to me to somewhat defeat the purpose of having a trial to begin with. however, i think having them rotate to different arena's and country's may not be a horrible idea either, guess it's just a fine line with me. just my thoughts, but you have to cut me some slack when in the first post there is talk of not switching.....i guesss in hind sight you are just setting the stage for your idea; and sorry if i missed it the first read:)
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Originally posted by LYNX
....................I was like :rolleyes: then I was :furious. Me thinking "hold the F*** on. I'm paying 15 bucks to sit in the tower while some 2 weeker takes up valuable space". Some kid, some 2 week quitter, the fastest nintendo mouse clicker kid this side of the 8th Air Force is "tooling" around and I'm sat in tower....:rolleyes:
I'm sorry, the above paragragh sounded like a compliant... with the "rolls eyes" and "furious" face it must have really thrown me off.... jeez
You have to admit that you were upset about this, so you set your mind to find a solution that wouldn't put you out, just other people.... and measly little "two weekers" at that. Give me a break !!
HTC wants to KEEP the twoweekers around. Making their two weeks more frustrating than they can already be isn't the way I'd go about trying to keep new customers.
Again, this is a game, you shoot the red guys, and bomb the red guys bases, and capture the red guys territory. If you help capture A64 this morning, and Skuzzy reset the map at lunch and you logged back on to find your country is now in a different possition on the map and the red guys have A64, you wouldn't try to capture it again?
Its a game, hook up with your "mates" and go play!
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Originally posted by LYNX
Kamilyun, Goth and Storch thank you so much for those valid points with
out which, some would think this meaningless.
Lynx, after seeing another rolleyes post complaining about changes I just couldn't resist.
I'm not one to bish and complain on these forums...I don't like seeing others do the same. I understand that you're non-peak time, so some tweaking is necessary for "good" gameplay in low #s times.
I appreciate everything HT has tried. I was 2 days away from cancelling my account when the 1st changes came out. I've stayed and been playing as much as ever. Not everything is perfect, but dang, he's trying hard to make the game better for the long run. No explanations necessary b/c he (and Pyro) have been over this before.
So when I see someone :cry I just start :lol and getting really sarcastic b/c you know....
it's just a game
and not really worth the effort to get all worked up over.
Today I saw a homeless man eating some scraps behind a restaurant. You know how freaking lucky we all are that the "biggest" problem in our lives is a freaking video game?
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Sorry Oldman...missed my blood pressure pills two days in a row and was fired up this morning. I've since cooled down.
You're point about the past days being the glory days for one person is true. I'll probably never enjoy any game as much as I did AW.
This game could probably be set exactly how I would want and I'd still have nights staring at the moniter in the tower.
Merry Christmas :)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
Nice post Lynx. I'm with ya 100% on that one buddy.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, people like you that refuse to switch sides to help even things up is the reason we have this new system not the other way around. Just read some of HT's old posts in the ENY limiter threads.
ack-ack
With all due respect, I think it is you who have it "the other way around."
It isn't those who refuse to switch that are the problem IMO . . .
It is those who switched when their side wasn't doing so well that are the problem.
Those who don't switch now are the same folks that before the arena split would not switch whether their side was getting gang-banged or doing the banging.
Imbalances become exacerbated when those on the low side say "screw this" and change to the higher side. Yet you say it is the duty of those who stay on their side come heck or high water to now even it out?
My old squad was a perfect example of what I am talking about. Before the arena split, if Bish were getting nailed (which was quite a regular occurrence), they would all up and change countries over to Rook. They "rationalized" it by saying they were always fighting the Knights regardless of what country they were on, but they were still exacerbating the side imbalances by bailing from the Bish. (One of the main reasons I quit that squad, btw.)
Here we are after the changes, and they are all still Rook whenever I run into them -- and usually in the arena where Rooks dominate.
So, if say only 50% of the player base has "country loyalty" (I would be surprised if it was higher than that), why should it be up to only that 50% to now switch sides? They aren't the one that caused the imbalance to begin with. They didn't switch to the already larger side.
My 2 cents, would be interested in hearing what you think of it.
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my dear lynx, my post was directed at what others posted and not necessarily your take on the "noobish solution" sir, the thread rates a :rofl . thanks for thinking it up.
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how many more threads must lynx post before he gets dubbed the troll king?
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by Pluck
as to the idea of 2 weekers balancing out the arena. i thought ht already dropped them in the country of the lowest numbers.
That's as I understand it. However, once a knight always a knight syndrome. When newbies arrive they don't think to change sides because of imbalance. They tend to stay on their original team. I am just punting an idea that helps side balance, helps newbies see more of this community, inconveniences paying customers least and helps HTC long term goals/ bottom line.
however, i think having them rotate to different arena's and country's may not be a horrible idea either, guess it's just a fine line with me.
Absolutely point taken on "fine line". There are numerous ways to implement the opportunity. Could auto rota newbies daily. Could spread them to lowest sides on a 60 / 40 split. The point is they get to get around while new. Remember that they don't know any different. They become conditioned. They will be more receptive to balancing. When 2 weeks are up they get to pick a side of their choice, if indeed, that's their choice. They also have a "sign up / buy it now" option..... Thanks Pluck :)
by The Fugitive
I'm sorry, the above paragragh sounded like a compliant... with the "rolls eyes" and "furious" face it must have really thrown me off.... jeez
Yet you read this --->Oh well, happy endings was cleared for "take off" inside 3 minutes. but ignored it ? Sorry mate I was setting a scene ...." thrown me off.... jeez" " Sorry chap but I'm afraid so or it seems so to me.
so you set your mind to find a solution that wouldn't put you out, just other people.... and measly little "two weekers" at that. Give me a break !!
I'v covered this in other replies and here to Pluck. My perceived vendetta to newbies is looking more favourable for us and HTC than an ability, break or otherwise, to kick a newbie.
HTC wants to KEEP the twoweekers around. Making their two weeks more frustrating than they can already be isn't the way I'd go about trying to keep new customers.
Again covered in other replies. You are talking from the old perspective. From a position of knowing things differently to that of a newbie. You are NOT a newbie so therefore you know different. You have experienced another way of being a newbie. Our new newbies won't have your experience so therefore won't be frustrated. They'll be aware they're newbies, aware it's 2 weeks free, aware they'll be placed in all sides, aware they can go where ever after the 2 weeks and aware of the "SIGN UP NOW", if they so desperately want to join a side and or squad......caaaching
As for "isn't the way I'd go about trying to keep new customers." I could really take this one to task but it's not what this threads about....
Kamilyun ...Thanks for the reply. Seems I didn't represent myself clearly from the get go. It's more a way of utilising the newbie asset than my indignation to being stuck in tower. :aok
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I think I am very much looking at this from a newbies point of view.
Today a newbie signs on as a Bish. He of course has questions, and begins asking them. Hopefully some fellow countrymen help, we all know a number of them are going to go with the "ATL F4" answer, hence the added frustration. Of those that help, the new guy will start making friend, and with in a few minutes those with the wise crack answers lay off. The experiance starts to turn toward fun.
Next day, newbie signs on and now hes a Rook. Again, when he asks a few questions he'll have to start all over again. He''l have to weed out helpfull answers from all the wise cracks again. So he's back with the frustration again.
By NOT being able to stay with one country for that first two weeks he's always going to seem to be the "new guy" as nobody will remember him. I know on my first two weeks I was on everyday, at around the same time, and I hooked up with the same general group. Lucky for me they were helpfull and made it much easier to make the switch from AW to AH.
At this point its no longer important as HT has turned off the "queue" while testing the new capture system. I think the thing that gets me most about posts like this are people "suggesting" ways to fix this when if they weren't so stubborn them selves that could switch to a different country, or arena and they IS no problem.
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Ok Lynx, I'll try to provide a more productive answer here.
As a long time rook, you know the I used to fly rook exclusively since I joined AH back in tour 13 (or whatever). Being on the rook side that long, I enjoyed hanging around quite a number of players.
Then the arena split came about and Helm and I wanted to fly MW. Well, as you probably know, MW was dominated by rooks from the begining, so we decided that this was the prime opportunity to switch sides to the knights, something we thought would only be temporary until the sides balanced out. But balance never came.
So now, HT has implemented a balance forcer, which I don't think was a bad idea at all. Helm and I have gotten to know a few knights, and like the other night, we had some really fun fights against storch and friends. There was even a little good humored banter on 200 between me and them, not the usual mean spirited arguments.
What I am seeing now, though I haven't logged on in a few days, is that at least in the MW, #'s are balancing out. Also, while your initial post suggested a cure, I viewed it as a disguised reasoning for you not to switch from the rooks. I still think you're trying to swim upstream instead of letting the current carry you.
It's a game. I've found out that the knights are not the great evil I used to think they are. I don't want to fly with numbers of 15 against 1, I would rather be the 1 against 15. Do I miss the crazy accents of you and jd, sure and maybe I'll come visit once in a while, but for now, I am having fun adapting to the changes instead of bucking the system.
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here is my take:
1. sidebalancing was not the evil i thought it would be...i hope it doesnt get more restrictive.
2. the newest change (capture a percentage of both countries bases) is great....wish this had been done years ago!!
3. the problem i have is the multiple arenas...for me it has watered down the community and i find myself completely not caring about taking/losing bases. while at first blush this would seem a good thing...by removing the drama and commitment, i find myself logging quickly and playing less...
so wouldnt the old system....one large MA and the sidebalancing and new take system implemented be ok??? EW/LW have shown what "players" want or in their case dont want.
would it be possible to have one large MA and one smaller one? instead of two that are essentially equivalent and restricted in numbers?
anyway my 2 cents without trying to flame anyone.
and happy holidays
mike