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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on December 16, 2006, 06:12:34 PM
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I was thinking about my "Respect" post of this morning throughout the day while doing weekend chores. I kept the following "Gentleman's Agreement" open on my desktop throughout the day and added to it as I thought of things.
I'm sure I left things out, things will need to be tweaked and some will want to remove things. Fine. Consider it a start.
Once we all have something the majority of us could agree to (like that will ever happen) I think it should be posted as an arena message for everyone who's logging into one of the MA's for the first time.
Will it help? I would never expect 100% compliance but it couldn't hurt.
Here goes:
Gentleman’s Agreement
1. It is not OK to take a head-on shot (HO) on an initial one-on-one or many-on-one merge. After the initial merge anything goes. Likewise, when merging into a one-on-many or many-on-many anything goes.
2. Purposefully colliding with/ramming an opponent is never OK.
3. Vulching and cherry-picking are allowed at any time.
4. It’s common courtesy to ask a countryman if he needs/wants help in a one-on-one or one-on-two situation. If he declines, find another fight. If he doesn’t answer it’s OK to join as he probably has his hands full. Anything beyond one-on-two is OK to join.
5. It is not OK to join a three-on-one or higher. Note: this does not mean three to one odds but refers to “piling-on” a single opponent.
6. It is never OK to steal someone’s kill. (i.e. a plane that’s flaming and/or missing major components and falling to earth). Other than that, if they’re still flying they’re fair game.
7. It’s common courtesy to give someone a check six call if it appears that an enemy is moving in on them. Conversely, it is never OK to flame your countrymen for not giving you a check six. They may have had their hands full or not noticed. Situational Awareness is your responsibility.
8. Never expect your countrymen to bail you out. If you can’t get out of a situation you shouldn’t have gotten into it. Flaming your countrymen for not helping you out is considered rude. They may be heavy headed to target, low on fuel, low on ammo, are damaged or are simply outmatched by your opponent among other possible reasons.
9. When asking a countryman for help, apprise him of the situation if you won’t be able to stick around to help him once he clears your six.
10. It’s never OK to flame an opponent on channel 200 if he has abided by these rules of engagement.
11. Nothing forces you to obey these rules nor will any penalty be assessed if you don’t but, you will likely gain more respect and others will likely be more willing to help you when you need it if you do.
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It's okay to vulch but not HO? I'm out:(
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Here's one to add already from RedTop's reply to my Respect post.
If you've had a good fight, win or lose, give your opponent a and a WTG on channel 200. Good sportsmanship will gain you far more respect throughout the arena than flaming.
BTW, as to HOing vs. vulching, I only left HOing in a 1 on 1 merge or more than 1 on 1 as a no-no. You have to be able to vulch to cap an airfield.
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there is no such thing as one person in a head on in a merge situation outside of a furball.
if you dont get out of the way you are going to be in their sights. if you dont avoid going straight at your opponent you will have demonstrated that you may just be considering that head on yourself.
a smart pilot will avoid this by setting up for the valuable moments following the merge and will most likely already be turning to get on the other guys six by the time the merge actually happens.
it's like a deer in headlights complaining that the car didnt avoid them.
doi.
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I agree with JB88. If you get HOed its because you HOed back. the HO was a primary tactic of the Flying tigers in China.
Yes I get upset sometimes to when I get HOed but I realize I could have turned out and avioded the situation.:aok
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too many rules, just fight, no rules.
44MAG
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I was with you til I read rules 1 and 3. Shooting someone in the back is cowardly, as is shooting someone on the runway. To say either of those is okay, but trying to simultaneously kill your opponent while he's doing the same is wrong is just silly.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I was with you til I read rules 1 and 3. Shooting someone in the back is cowardly, as is shooting someone on the runway. To say either of those is okay, but trying to simultaneously kill your opponent while he's doing the same is wrong is just silly.
Like I said. Things can be added, subtracted or changed until we have a "representative view" of the community. I tried to take what I felt would be a "moderate" view; one that would cause the least amount of initial dissent after reading a lot of posts on these boards so, if I'm reading your post correctly, you're in favor of HOing and against cherry-picking and vulching correct?
BTW, isn't getting position on someones six "shooting them in the back"? How do you subdue and cap a field without vulching? Not meant to challenge you. Just legitimate questions.
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Were you home-schooled by chance?
I would like Laz to attend this thread and outline his views on nannying of any form.
Just worry about yourself, how you behave, and how you fly. Lead by example, not by some H.S. list of limp-wristed "nice-guy" flying "rules." You fly your falsely "chivalrous" way, but dont cry if someone else doesnt play the game like you, oh brave sir knight of teh sky!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Here's one to add already from RedTop's reply to my Respect post.
If you've had a good fight, win or lose, give your opponent a and a WTG on channel 200. Good sportsmanship will gain you far more respect throughout the arena than flaming.
BTW, as to HOing vs. vulching, I only left HOing in a 1 on 1 merge or more than 1 on 1 as a no-no. You have to be able to vulch to cap an airfield.
personally, when i lose i never send a . the reason....i feel that it sends the wrong message. i let the victor determine if the fight was worthy. just me though:)
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Originally posted by Sgtlead
the HO was a primary tactic of the Flying tigers in China.
Another History Channel ACM "expert," I see...
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first of all, this is a game and its a totally different animal than real combat.
fact: facing cartoon bullets is not the same as facing down real ones. there is just no real comparison. it's silly.
imho, a HO in this game is something that people do when they lack either the skill or the patience to win a fight in the manner least likely to end in your own death.
that is not to say that there arent times where it is forced...usually in a furball when you come out of a turn and you see an enemy coming right at you and you pretty much have no choice but to kill or be killed.
for the most part, HO's are for noobs that lack the ability to do anything else. i know because it used to be all that i knew and thus i used to take that chance on the merge. there was a reason that i lost alot more fights then.
now i avoid it. i like to fight and i like to win without putting myself in a 50/50 firing position that i will likely be damaged by and have to limp home anyway.
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I will always HO someone trying to cherry a furball, and I will always HO perk rides, because they're normally flown by frightened little girls who deserve to cartoon-die. I will never change my perspective on this. There is no reason to fly timidly, and those who do should be punished.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I will always HO someone trying to cherry a furball, and I will always HO perk rides, because they're normally flown by frightened little girls who deserve to cartoon-die. I will never change my perspective on this. There is no reason to fly timidly, and those who do should be punished.
(he says that...but it's really because he fights like a purse swinging nancy)
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(http://www.jimbrittphoto.com/showbiz2/Rodney%20Dangerfield.jpg)
No respect!
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I will always HO someone trying to cherry a furball, and I will always HO perk rides, because they're normally flown by frightened little girls who deserve to cartoon-die. I will never change my perspective on this. There is no reason to fly timidly, and those who do should be punished.
Oh my......Judge Dredd is between us:O
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BaldEagle, It would be great to see something like this happen, but for the most part, It's not gonna happen. If you were even succesful in getting it posted, there's no way it would take off, because as soon as someone started breaking any of the gentlemens' code, It would bust open, and we would be back at square one.
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I'm must be in the Twilight Zone! I sort of... ugh!, uhhh, agree.... uhh, with... uhh... damn! Hub. <>
Any round coming out of my aircraft at any angle at any time, striking an enemy aircarft of any kind, anywhere, is a fair and legal shot. PERIOD!!!
Otherwise I generally support and already try to follow the other "guidelines for respect", with one small conditional exception.
While I do it on occaison, I don't often salute someone I've shot down, unless I know them. Even then, only if I'm sure that they will know it's a salute for a good fight (even though I won) and not a 'rub it in' gesture.
I never, ever put rounds into a plane I know someone has already killed. And I often ask if a pilot needs help (also meaning do you want it) in a one on one. I don't do this with other bandits or fights in fairly close proximity, or where we are defending a base and need to knock down all the enemy as fast as possible.
Otherwise, I like the guidelines and already try to follow them. Wish more pilots got their enjoyment from being respected than from taunting others or insulting people to salve their own ego.
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A true AH junkies agreement.
1.) I will take any shot I get and if you whine about it on 200 ill ignore you.
2.) I will only bomb tank town in the event that it TRUELY annoys you..
a.) In the event that it does not annoy you I will stop.
b.) If you whine about it I will spend the next hour using my friends
on your country to locate you so that i can kill you specifically.
3.) When capturing your field keep in mind that when your wheels leave the ground your officially airborne.
4.) I reserve the right to pick a fight with you on 200 to make you play sloppy.. when this fails I will call you a noob.
5.) I love reporting people who have been here forever and think that the rules do not apply to them.
6.) Beer.
These are the true rules of the AH junkie.
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HO tactics were imployed by german fighters against US daylight bomber formations. Hence the upgraded B-17G & later models with the twin 50-cal chin guns to help defeat this tactic.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Gentleman’s Agreement
1. It is not OK to take a head-on shot (HO) on an initial one-on-one or many-on-one merge. After the initial merge anything goes. Likewise, when merging into a one-on-many or many-on-many anything goes.
Either you didn't say this well, or I totally disagree.
One on one I agree, no HO, cold merge, may the best man win.
Many on one anything goes I'll kill anything I can from any angle.
They have the advantage, I have to try to even that advantage.
Change # 1 to read
#1 It is not OK to take a head-on shot (HO) on an initial one-on-one.
After the intial merge anything goes. When the odds are against you ie 2 0r more on 1, all agreements are off anything goes.
BTW HO = 2 cons playing chicken from 3k out or more, nose to nose. It does NOT mean a forward quarter deflection shot in the middle of a turnfight.
#4, If its a one on one I'll stay clear, or ask if he's ok. If its a 2 on 1 I'll ask which one he wants. Sorry but a 2 on 1 is not a fair fight, my jumping in makes it a fair fight. However the guy in the fight has the right to tell me which one he wants. After all technically if he wants them they are both his.
#5 There is never any reason to have more than 2 cons on a bogey. Period EVER
The rest I agree with and well said.
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Originally posted by Stang
Another History Channel ACM "expert," I see...
Maybe just a well read member of the boards. As you read the biographies of many of the pilots in the Pacific, HOing was not only a valid tactic, but one that was actually encouraged due to the US fighters havig armor, self-sealing tanks, and heavier fire power than their Japanese opponents. Basically, it seems like they new the odds were atacked in their favor so it was better than a 50-50 chance of winning the HO.
Although I've read of it being employed in the ETO, I don't find it encouraged as it was in the pacific.
As always, in a game where people clamor for more "realism" , I don't understand the constant b1tching about HOing when it was a very "real" tactic used during WWII. . . .
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I will always HO someone trying to cherry a furball, and I will always HO perk rides, because they're normally flown by frightened little girls who deserve to cartoon-die. I will never change my perspective on this. There is no reason to fly timidly, and those who do should be punished.
and when said person using a BnZ returns fire and hos you first, you dont complain hub, thats why you have my respect.
because youre not afraid to openly and honestly show people what youre about. you wouldnt deny the ho shot and therefore the smarter pilots remember 'dont fly infront or straight at hubs'. fairplay to the man who can admit how they truly feel even if its something others might not agree with.
S! to hubs, and stay out his way :)
on the other hand, I can't stand those who say they will never ho when they almost only ho.
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Confessions of a preacher:
I HO'd 2 guys last night. They were attacking one of our bases, not really working together but I was the lone defender with more red dar bar coming and I figured it was the fastest way to dispatch the threat. Just goes to show even I can't comply when consiously thinking about it.
On the other hand I entered a me on three last night. BnZ'd past all three w/o HOing them, extended, re-merged w/2 of them, again without the HO and engaged them in a turn fight. The 3rd one ran. I had the perfect HO shots on all three of them on my first pass. It was like they were lining up to die. I guess every situation is different.
Like i said, I'd never expect 100% compliance but at least being consious of "good sportsmanship" can't hurt.
Originally posted by Ghosth
Originally posted by BaldEagl
1. It is not OK to take a head-on shot (HO) on an initial one-on-one or many-on-one merge. After the initial merge anything goes. Likewise, when merging into a one-on-many or many-on-many anything goes.
Either you didn't say this well, or I totally disagree.
One on one I agree, no HO, cold merge, may the best man win.
Many on one anything goes I'll kill anything I can from any angle.
They have the advantage, I have to try to even that advantage.
Change # 1 to read
#1 It is not OK to take a head-on shot (HO) on an initial one-on-one.
After the intial merge anything goes. When the odds are against you ie 2 0r more on 1, all agreements are off anything goes.
That is what I meant. 1st # is always me (us) on 2nd # is always them but your explanation is probably more clear.
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There are no rules you play however you want to.
heres how i like to play.
1. My favorite planes are dweeb planes like the la7 and 16.
2. I will vulch you whenever i have the chance too.
3. I never HO in a 1 on 1 fight.
4. I never steal kills.
5. I will always look to cherry pick people.
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Originally posted by Stang
Another History Channel ACM "expert," I see...
Stang,
Obviously this person also thinks golf is a sport:)
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Originally posted by Sgtlead
the HO was a primary tactic of the Flying tigers in China.
This is utterly false! Why you would post this kind of misleading information is beyond me!