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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Max on December 18, 2006, 08:29:01 AM
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I'm curious as to how best use the rotaries on my X52. How are yours assigned and how did you set the command?
Thanks
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Originally posted by Max
I'm curious as to how best use the rotaries on my X52. How are yours assigned and how did you set the command?
Thanks
I took the easy approach...made them "bands".
0-40% Trim UP, Trim left (Rotary 1, 2)
40-60% nothing
60-100% Trim Down, Trim Right (Rotary 1, 2)
Just used the keys assigned to those functions.
Works OK for me on my X45.
=GB=
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Doesn't AH allow you to map trim directly to it, so that you move the rotary, and the trim indicator matches it in the cockpit?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Doesn't AH allow you to map trim directly to it, so that you move the rotary, and the trim indicator matches it in the cockpit?
Does on my X-52.
I use saitek software for button programs and assign rotaries as axis.
Bronk
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got mine set up for trim (X52)
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Mine were pretty simple to setup. I use the Saitek SST software and default for the rotaries is "axis". Assign them in AH to analog inputs such as "analog input rudder trim". I use the two rotaries for roll and yaw trim and the precision slider for pitch. Works fine except there is a delay in the trim reaching the desired setting. Say you have full up trim on the slider and you want it centered so you move the slider to the center position. The trim actually takes some time as it the trim tabs move so you won't get to the center position for a few seconds.
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Same. Using the upper rotary on throttle for roll-trim, small rot for yaw-trim, and slider for pitch-trim.
I marked the neutral position with dots of permanent marker.
Matt
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So, what happens if/when you use any of the "Autotrim" commands?
Doesn't the rotary then get "out of sync" with the actual trim?
I just got a Thrustmaster throttle with rotaries, and Trim seems the obvious task for them, but I use the autotrims all the time too, and syncing the knobs with the actual trim seems problematic when autotrim is used.
Thoughts?
-Llama
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AFAIK autotrim overrides your settings until you turn them off again.
Matt
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Both x45 and x52:
I'm using the AH mapping, no SST software as it's not needed for AH2.
I have one rotary set up for elevator trim and the other one set for aileron trim. Auto trim over-rides them, and then they return to the rotary positions when you go manual again. It's really sweet.
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Originally posted by Keiler
AFAIK autotrim overrides your settings until you turn them off again.
Matt
Of course they do. But that's not what I'm talking about.
Suppose you roll your knob (heh, that sounds funny) "full up" so you are at maximum vertical trim.
Now you hit autotrim. Then you turn it off again. So far, so good.
Now you want to roll the knob up again. But wait! The knob it already at full "up." There's no more Up to go.
Now what?
Or does this not really happen that much / at all?
-Llama
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Think of it this way. There's a finite range of motion on the knob. It has stops at both ends. It's like a throttle, 0% to 100%. When using it for trim, the "up" and "down" are like a throttle as well. When you put auto trim on it handles it for you. When you turn it off, the trim doesn't just stay where you were under auto, it re-sets it to where the knob indicates.
So if your trim knob is 100% (I'm guessing "full up") and you hit auto, then turn auto off, it will (as fast as the trim can move) go back to "full up".
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Krusty hits it exactly right. One of the best uses is to put the manual trim full up and if you get into compression or start to blackout with your nose real low just pop auto-trim off and your airplane will pull itself out of the dive. Works especially well for 109, 38, and Nikki. Also, useful if you get into a serious turn fight and normally use auto-trim.
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Krusty hits it exactly right. One of the best uses is to put the manual trim full up and if you get into compression or start to blackout with your nose real low just pop auto-trim off and your airplane will pull itself out of the dive. Works especially well for 109, 38, and Nikki. Also, useful if you get into a serious turn fight and normally use auto-trim.
Good call Mace.
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All,
Ah, I see the problem here. Unless you have the digital upgrade chips for old Thrustmaster Gear, the knobs on the TQS throttle don't map to analog axes like the Saitek's apparently do.
The knobs just send keyboard keypresses, which seems pretty similar to what I have now: a coolie hat used for trim that sends keyboard keypresses.
I didn't even know you could map additioal axes to trim, which is pretty cool.
Thanks All,
Llama
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I use both methods...
I use the X45 as my throttle. It is programed with a saitek AH profile for all my buttons and rotors. inside AH, I set the large thumb rotor as my elevator trim axis. The settings inside AH over ride any setting the saitek profile had assigned for a particular button or rotor. The rocker is my aileron trim and it uses the saitek profile. The difference being when I stop pressing my aileron trim, I want it to stop where it is at while the vator trim will recenter when I spin the rotor back to the notched center...
tip .. I use a X52 jstick with all of its buttons and hats assigned inside AH. I use the big thumb button to toggle COMBAT TRIM on and off. CT is the secret to quick and easy trimmed out flying.
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I have used the two X52 rotaries and slider for trimming but was not happy with the results. Too much fiddling...........
I now have my small rotary mapped to rpm in AHII.
My slider is banded and profiled in SST to auto repeat flap up or flap down commands at the extremes of its band ........... this seems to work very well. (it also simplifies gear changing in vehicles)
The big rotary is currently not used and I have profiled the big button inside it to switch combat trim on then off. (although I would like to find some way of damping this)
I think I may look to profile the big rotary to preselect radio channels...........
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Wow...you guys use the rotaries for trim?
Not me. I use the POV switch on the front of the throttle.
up/down is elevator, left/right for roll.
I never touch the rudder trim.
My Top rotory is for zoom in and out. My slider is zoom in and out on the map only.
The small rotary dial on the front of the throttle is ... well unused. To hard to turn with my thumb accurately so I dont use it. I have the button on the top rotary to activate/deactivate the zoom function.
The button on the small rotary switches auto-trim on and off.
I like this setup because by using the POV for trim I can control two trims with one finger.
the Throttle POV also doubles for my gear shift on GV's ;-)
I have the mouse button set up for "Squad Channel" mic.
I set my stick up so I dont have to reach for the Keyboard very often.
Softail
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Opps....let me correct that ... I use the small POV on the STICK for trim....not the throttle.
That is for flaps/gears (up down) and rudder left/right for minor formation correction.
Sorry bout that.
Softail
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Originally posted by Keiler
Same. Using the upper rotary on throttle for roll-trim, small rot for yaw-trim, and slider for pitch-trim.
I marked the neutral position with dots of permanent marker.
Matt
Actually, this would only be necessary on the slider, as the knobs actually have a center position. When you hit center, you will feel a "click"
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Softail, how did you manage to map the big rotary to zoom in / out. Did you use bands? How many? How many brackets in each band?
I did manage to map the little rotor to zoom in / out in ah without installing SST but somehow it desappeared and was never able to remap it. SO I'm not starting to learn SST.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by DmdFiat
Softail, how did you manage to map the big rotary to zoom in / out.
I mapped the the little rotary to zoom, its called FoV I think. Big rotary is mapped to RPM.
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I use the X52 with the big dial as my aileron trim, and the small dial as elevator trim. I zoom in and out with the slider