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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RTO on December 18, 2006, 09:43:56 PM
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when r u gonna fix the gv modeling HT? getting sick of losing tgrs to planes that lob a single bomb that lands away from vehicle and kills it. No it's not the 1k variety either!!! Thank You Very Much!!!
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ok, you know it isn't the 1k variety how?
and secondly, if a bomb lands near a tank, especially if it's a big one, the tank will be destroyed. i can't believe someone is whining that their tanks was killed by a bomb :lol
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I've dropped a 1k near a tiger before and did not get the kill. Tigers are plenty strong.
If you are in the gv, and you are killed, how do you know how big the bomb is and how close it landed? You will hear the pitched whine getting higher and then youll be back in the tower. Unless you see it dropping....in which case, it's probably accurate that it killed you.
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If the GV modeling was correct in relation to bombing a 100 lbs bomb would probably rattle your cage a bit if it landed near you, the stronger the bombs, well you know. Just be thankful the big bomb in the lancaster doesn't flip you if it lands next to you. (over-exaggeration)
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Originally posted by RTO
A bomb killed my tiger :cry
Be glad you werent playing with tigers when the 2x4/twig of death was around. If your this upset now, you would really go psycho back then
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If you died you were probably sitting in the pintle gun and, if a bomb is dropped near you, the shrapnal will surely kill you. Alternately you may have been in the hull gun or drivers position facing the blast with the same results. The tank doesn't need to be destroyed if you are.
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I've watched close to 2000 different close air support attacks against tank hulks (M-60's) using every piece of ordnance in the U.S. inventory. Trust me, a 500 lb bomb detonating within 50-100 meters of the tank gets effects. And I'm not even talking about what kind of slamming headache the crew would have if they survived the explosive/shrapnel portion. Saw an M-60 turret get blown off the chasis once. It flipped end over end about 100 meters up in the air. And that was with a direct impact from a 155mm howitzer round which contains 90lbs of explosive. So, I'll grant that the bomb may not result in a catestrophic kill every time, but it will most likely mobility kill the tank 100% of the time and/or reduce the crew to a definitive combat ineffective state. And don't ask about 1 or 2 thousand pounders. Saw a "crowd pleaser" land right on top of a newly placed M-60 hulk and the only thing left after the impact was a scrap heap of pieces. Totally demolished the turret and chasis--small pieces and these were iron bombs without any guidance kits...
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Hell a well placed PB-1 rocket will take out a Tiger. Talk about the whines ;) By the way the PB-1 rocket is the one carried on the Fw-190F8.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
ok, you know it isn't the 1k variety how?
and secondly, if a bomb lands near a tank, especially if it's a big one, the tank will be destroyed. i can't believe someone is whining that their tanks was killed by a bomb :lol
Cant believe someone would try to ho me with an engine dead cuz of an oil leak..........
OH WAIT, SOMEONE DID, IT WAS YOU!!!! lol
:aok :D :noid
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
If you died you were probably sitting in the pintle gun and, if a bomb is dropped near you, the shrapnal will surely kill you. Alternately you may have been in the hull gun or drivers position facing the blast with the same results. The tank doesn't need to be destroyed if you are.
Itīs irrelevant if you are in commander, gunner or driver position, it does not influence the probability of a kill whatsoever.
(Because of this, itīs always advisable to be in commanderīs position when enemy planes are around. Itīs easier to see them coming and dodge their bombs. A sitting tiger is a dead tiger.)
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I'm glad "concussion" isn't modeled. Hell, a 100lb bomb 25ft from it would kill the crew, tank may still be good, but the crew would have scrambled eggs for brains.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I'm glad "concussion" isn't modeled. Hell, a 100lb bomb 25ft from it would kill the crew, tank may still be good, but the crew would have scrambled eggs for brains.
That would be cool then we could bail out of our planes, run the lil pilot to the tiger and take it over. :D
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Cant believe someone would try to ho me with an engine dead cuz of an oil leak..........
OH WAIT, SOMEONE DID, IT WAS YOU!!!! lol
:aok :D :noid
muhahahaha!
didn't i try to HO you with rockets too? :D :p that was fun that sortie :lol
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Originally posted by Flayed1
That would be cool then we could bail out of our planes, run the lil pilot to the tiger and take it over. :D
Only if you get to keep the same country icon and have kill shooter turned off :t
"Don't worry about this Tiger... I'm just returning to base from a mission. We are one happy armored column all from the same country. I'm just having vox troubles at the moment. " BOOM :O
:D
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Originally posted by Alpo
Only if you get to keep the same country icon and have kill shooter turned off :t
"Don't worry about this Tiger... I'm just returning to base from a mission. We are one happy armored column all from the same country. I'm just having vox troubles at the moment. " BOOM :O
:D
That sounds rather fun.....its cool guys just driving this M3 back to base.....right next to the map room :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
Itīs irrelevant if you are in commander, gunner or driver position, it does not influence the probability of a kill whatsoever.
(Because of this, itīs always advisable to be in commanderīs position when enemy planes are around. Itīs easier to see them coming and dodge their bombs. A sitting tiger is a dead tiger.)
I disagree. Here's why.
In an Ostie I can stay alive forever against any number of planes with or without cannon as long as a bomb isn't dropped on me. Why? I get into the drivers seat then move back into the hull using the down arrow. The seat backs are armor plated. In this positon my screen is black (I'm fully inside the hull) and I'm surrounded by armor plate. Like I said, without a bomb no one has ever killed me and I've scored probably hundreds of proxie kills.
The same principal works in a Panzer. In a Tiger there is no way to move into the hull (behind the seats) but you do increase your survival chances by moving back and toward the side of the hull that the attack is coming from, even against a bomb blast and the armor plating is thicker in a Tiger. I've withstood 4 bombs in a Tiger before by doing this.
I speak from extensive field experience in this and would find it hard to believe it's all coincidental.
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Well, first I speak from extensive field experience too survived lots of bombs while in commander position) , and second let me cite the maker of this game:
Originally posted by Ghi
If you are on MG position in Tiger when bomb hits, die eassy. Always go to position 1 inside and keep moving, if you hear bombs coming,
This is false. It dosn't matter what postion you are in.
HiTech
Quote comes from
this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=173715&highlight=bomb+AND+wonder)
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Originally posted by Flayed1
That would be cool then we could bail out of our planes, run the lil pilot to the tiger and take it over. :D
Somebody has been playing too much Halo 2. :D
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Actually I have never played Halo... I spend almost all my gaming time on AH...
I have bought some other games but after a couple days they just end up siting there collecting dust while I jump back into AH. :D
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Be glad you werent playing with tigers when the 2x4/twig of death was around. If your this upset now, you would really go psycho back then
LOL - twig of death - Bwa hahahahahahahahaha! How true!
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Oh yeah, dont forget the random spawning of gv's on the top of trees :D
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ok, you know it isn't the 1k variety how?
and secondly, if a bomb lands near a tank, especially if it's a big one, the tank will be destroyed. i can't believe someone is whining that their tanks was killed by a bomb
easily, anybody who knows loadouts can tell if a 1k bomb is dropped. no mystery there. or maybe just for you biggles.
I've dropped a 1k near a tiger before and did not get the kill. Tigers are plenty strong.
If you are in the gv, and you are killed, how do you know how big the bomb is and how close it landed? You will hear the pitched whine getting higher and then youll be back in the tower. Unless you see it dropping....in which case, it's probably accurate that it killed you.
uh, hello there is a camera record option, and uh you can go back and view it, or oh yeah you can go to god-mode and view a/o yes you can tell if it landed on you or near you. Glad to have expanded ur knowledge.
lastly anybody who has been around in this game for a long time will tell you gv modeling is strange and somewhat random from day to day.
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sir, read up on the amazing exploits of H'mong jabo pilot Li Liu during the vietnam war. who while flying a T-28 armed with 500lb GP iron bombs destroyed countless soviet made tanks. a 250lb bomb is more than enough to take out a tank. if anything the modelling favors the crawLTARD and not the other way around.
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storch sir the problem with folks in AH like urself is the ability to differentiate real-life capabilities with cartoon game-play. I agree with and have read/watched/heard all the "what happens with real-life ordnance, even been involved myself during 22 years of service in military. All that said does not negate the need to look hard at the GV modeling here in AH. TY very much.
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if attempting to re-create RL modelleing isn't the foundational basis for this type of game many of us would not play it sir. will it occur 100% of the time? no probably not but I believe that the folks at HTC go to considerable lengths to re create it in this cartoon game.
I find your above statement hilarious if taken contextually with your intial post. I thank you sir for the pleasurable belly laugh you just gave me. please post often.
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what a joke of a reply belly laugh at ur own stupid reply. I'll sum it up, " but the amazing exploits of blah blah blah during the vietnam war blah blah blah.
Bet you don't know what even danger close is for mortars, field artillary, of naval gun fire personally, all you can do is read about it. i'm not trying to achieve a real life capability with the gv modeling unlike ur ASSumption. My point is there are some aspects of the modeling that need tweaked. you however as like many others have to post some historical dribble about what a real bomb etc... can do.I've seen it first hand chumply not read about it. but as i stated before .....................oh whats the point it's probably like forskin it'll just go over ur head anyway..............storch lol
100% of the time roflmao hey gullable isn't in the dictionary just in case you didn't know that either.................
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It's AH, not panzer kommander. Tanks are just targets for attack aircraft. That's why it is the way it is.
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Originally posted by RTO
what a joke of a reply belly laugh at ur own stupid reply. I'll sum it up, " but the amazing exploits of blah blah blah during the vietnam war blah blah blah.
Bet you don't know what even danger close is for mortars, field artillary, of naval gun fire personally, all you can do is read about it. i'm not trying to achieve a real life capability with the gv modeling unlike ur ASSumption. My point is there are some aspects of the modeling that need tweaked. you however as like many others have to post some historical dribble about what a real bomb etc... can do.I've seen it first hand chumply not read about it. but as i stated before .....................oh whats the point it's probably like forskin it'll just go over ur head anyway..............storch lol
100% of the time roflmao hey gullable isn't in the dictionary just in case you didn't know that either.................
I know a 90lb artillery shell (155mm) lying on the side of the road can do considerable damage to modern armor.. not always kill the occupants inside (sometimes does) but atleast make it inoperable.. wouldnt want to know what a 500lb or 1000lb bomb dropped from the air at 300-400mph can do..
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why no speaky "shock wave". Burst lungies mate. No breath. Core blimey.
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Originally posted by nirvana
If the GV modeling was correct in relation to bombing a 100 lbs bomb would probably rattle your cage a bit if it landed near you, the stronger the bombs, well you know. Just be thankful the big bomb in the lancaster doesn't flip you if it lands next to you. (over-exaggeration)
No, it isn't an exaggeration.
During the heavy buff tactical carpet bombing that preceded the breakout from Normandy (Operation Cobra), a realtively narrow portion of the German front line was hammered with over 600 tons of bombs.
When the allied forces moved in, there was essentially no opposition...except for the nearly impassable, cratered terrain. The concussions were enough that some German tanks were flipped over, and popped out of their dug in positions. Many surviving German troops were stunned into near immobility.
So, yeah, a nearby half ton bomb might flip a tank.
And as to the main complaint of the thread...remember that when your vehicle explodes, it may just be the game's way of telling you that the tank is knocked out. It doesnt mean that the tank would have burst into flame in real life -- think of how an AH aircraft that gets a canopy shot blows up, instead of falling 10,000 feet with frozen controls.
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Originally posted by LYNX
why no speaky "shock wave". Burst lungies mate. No breath. Core blimey.
I'm pretty sure this doesnt violate Rule 16 ("All posts, in public forums, should be made in the English language")....thought I'm not positive.
:lol :lol
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RTO,
thanks for yet another laugh. I'm sorry about your frustration, you must be another internet rambo (the whine about being repeatedly cartoon dead gives it away).
I spent my time in the Navy performing PMS on various forms of communication devices ranging from sound powered phones to 1MCs to even regular telephones. occassionally for fun (every single month whether it needed it or not) I had to crawl in through the engineering spaces removing salinity testers and checking them for proper operation and cleaning.
I did get to spend some time training to be on the boarding/landing party and that was fun but it was short lived and we never did actually board any ships during my whole four years of active duty service which greatly disappointed me.
I do know the danger close range of one of my avocado and bean salad propelled farts though, does that count?
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Originally posted by storch
I do know the danger close range of one of my avocado and bean salad propelled farts though, does that count?
Storch, you just aint right, bro :D
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I know, I tried to get therapy for that at the VA years ago but I flatulated the psychiatrist out of his own office. :D
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lol storch PMS ?? sure u don't have it urself. I spent my time jumping outof airplanes doing airfield seizures and raids etc etc etc. Your military expoits speek volumes of ur dweeniness. TY for your insight. rto.out!!
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Originally posted by storch
RTO,
I do know the danger close range of one of my avocado and bean salad propelled farts though, does that count?
YOU MEAN..................CHEMICA L WARFARE!!! :O :O
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gee RTO I apologize man. obviously I didn't know who I was dealing with. please tell me about your experiences in the service our country. I'd really like to know more about them.
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Nothing from the air...nor ground...can kill my Tiger!
Tigers are invincable against anything!
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Originally posted by Patches1
Nothing from the air...nor ground...can kill my Tiger!
Tigers are invincable against anything!
yes but apparently RTOs tiger was made with skimmed milk.
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