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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ByeBye on December 20, 2006, 07:37:46 PM
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Amazing! Of course, Clinton was blameless for the lack of security for our nation leqading up to 911, that's why he sent Sandy Burger into the National Archives so he could stuff related documents into his pants and shoes....later to be destroyed.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20061221/D8M4TNQ80.html
Clinton cronie, Sandy Berger pleaded guilty to removing classified documents related to the investigation of 911.
"President Clinton's national security adviser removed classified documents from the National Archives, hid them under a construction trailer and later tried to find the trash collector to retrieve them"
I'm sure there was a good reason for all of this.
"Berger took the documents in the fall of 2003 while working to prepare himself and Clinton administration witnesses for testimony to the Sept. 11 commission. Berger was authorized as the Clinton administration's representative to make sure the commission got the correct classified materials."
I'll bet Slick Willy had no prior knowlege of Bergers plans.
"He headed toward a construction area. ... Mr. Berger looked up and down the street, up into the windows of the Archives and the DOJ (Department of Justice), and did not see anyone," the interview notes said.
He then slid the documents under a construction trailer, according to the inspector general. Berger acknowledged that he later retrieved the documents from the construction area and returned with them to his office.
"He was aware of the risk he was taking," the inspector general's notes said. Berger then returned to the Archives building without fearing the documents would slip out of his pockets or that staff would notice that his pockets were bulging.
The notes said Berger had not been aware that Archives staff had been tracking the documents he was provided because of earlier suspicions from previous visits that he was removing materials. Also, the employees had made copies of some documents.
In October 2003, the report said, an Archives official called Berger to discuss missing documents from his visit two days earlier. The investigator's notes said, "Mr. Berger panicked because he realized he was caught."
Can you believe that Berger was actually barred from accessing the National Archives for three whole years! That's too severe!
The Clintons are probably in no way involved in this though.
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Clinton managed to hide Iraqi WMD just to make Bush look silly and you think he'd have problems with some paper? Pffft
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Clinton managed to hide Iraqi WMD just to make Bush look silly and you think he'd have problems with some paper? Pffft
Well, Sandy Berger probably didn't steal the classified documents relating to the 911 investigation for his own benifit. What motive would he have?
And what does Iraq have to do with 911?
The fact is that Berger did get caught red-handed. Not sure how that translates into your statement that Clinton hid Iraqs WMD.
More likely is that Clinton had Berger steal documents that made him look like an even a more of incompetent leader than he has already been known to be.
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Think the MSM will cover this?
Where is Dan Rather when you need him? :rofl
Oh wait, this doesnt reflect poorly on Bush, but might reflect negatively on Clinton, so of course they will probably ignore it.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
And what does Iraq have to do with 911?
Good you finally figured that out :aok How's the hook?
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Here's what pisses me off
Berger pleaded guilty to unlawfully removing and retaining classified documents. He was fined $50,000, ordered to perform 100 hours of community service and was barred from access to classified material for three years.
Repub or dem doesn't matter.....If I as an active duty member did this I'd be seeing hard labor for a minimum of 5 years.
Where's the justice again? How are we to hold our politicians and political appointees accountable if they do not go to real "pound me in the arse" federal prison (office space)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Here's what pisses me off
Repub or dem doesn't matter.....If I as an active duty member did this I'd be seeing hard labor for a minimum of 5 years.
Where's the justice again? How are we to hold our politicians and political appointees accountable if they do not go to real "pound me in the arse" federal prison (office space)
That pissed me off too.
Also, why wasn't this whole thing investigated to the end? I'd bet anything that Clinton was involved. This is at least as bad as Watergate........probably 10 times worse.
At the very least, Berger should be in jail.
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I second the Clintons involvement - What other motive COULD there be?
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I've yet to see with certainty whether he manged to destroy any ORIGINALS..I had read his motive was the papers with little (incriminating/embarrassing) handwritten nots on the outer edges, which apparently had the ability to make Clinton look bad---(ok..worse) I bet Jack Bauer could get the info out of him:aok
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this would not be the first time the klintons removed documents that were damaging to them... They are a predictable couple.
lazs
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Reminds of the current administration scrubbing the Whitehouse.gov site of embarrassing statements, 'facts' and other smelly fecal matter.
In the current crop of politicos there are very few I'd trust to come into my home. Statements they make are always geared to push forward whatever politcal goal they may have.
We need a government that is for the people rather than for the continued reelection of these self serving and highly corrupt power mongers.
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He should spend a couple of years turning big rocks into little rocks.
shamus
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I don't think he has the stones to survive a couple of years doing that.
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Isn't it funny how the press went after Scooter Libby for a crime that never occured? All the stops were pulled in that case, and nobody had a case.
It amazes me that Berger admitted to taking the documents and trying to destroy and alter them, and he gets a slap on the wrist and very little press coverage for his crimes. He then gets to have access to the archives AGAIN after 3 years. "Only in America" as they say.
And these documents were supposed to be given to a 911 investigation panel in order to figure out what went wrong prior to 911, and to determine what to fix. Totally amazing that he's not in jail.
I hope someone takes this on and ivestigates the watermelon out of this. I heard that some group has already requested that the contents of the original and the altered documents be made available.
Clinton is more than likely behind this. The man has no problems sacrificing national security for his personal agenda and/or "legacy".
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Originally posted by Dago
Think the MSM will cover this?
What would they say? Remember, the same goof-troop that allowed 911 to happen, whoever that may be, also had the means to figure out the culprits within 48 hours. So you see, some questions are better left unanswered.
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Originally posted by ByeBye
Isn't it funny how the press went after Scooter Libby for a crime that never occured? All the stops were pulled in that case, and nobody had a case.
It amazes me that Berger admitted to taking the documents and trying to destroy and alter them, and he gets a slap on the wrist and very little press coverage for his crimes. He then gets to have access to the archives AGAIN after 3 years. "Only in America" as they say.
And these documents were supposed to be given to a 911 investigation panel in order to figure out what went wrong prior to 911, and to determine what to fix. Totally amazing that he's not in jail.
I hope someone takes this on and ivestigates the watermelon out of this. I heard that some group has already requested that the contents of the original and the altered documents be made available.
Clinton is more than likely behind this. The man has no problems sacrificing national security for his personal agenda and/or "legacy".
And we sent our army into Iraq for a crime that was never committed. Is that funny?
Do you think the people who were in charge during 911 wants anybody looking into what went wrong DURING the attacks? They are not going to press too hard for anything resembling an investigation into 911, trust me.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
And we sent our army into Iraq for a crime that was never committed. Is that funny?
invading Kuwait is not a crime?
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
And we sent our army into Iraq for a crime that was never committed. Is that funny?
Do you think the people who were in charge during 911 wants anybody looking into what went wrong DURING the attacks? They are not going to press too hard for anything resembling an investigation into 911, trust me.
:rofl
I think you deserve a song. I will record a song called "I am from mars" I think you will like it.
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Originally posted by john9001
invading Kuwait is not a crime?
He's referring to the 2nd Gulf War and not the 1st Gulf War.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He's referring to the 2nd Gulf War and not the 1st Gulf War.
ack-ack
The crime of the 2nd war was that the UN did not enforce it's resolutions. The US took care of it though.
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A song for Whitehawk
mars (http://www.arizonaprogreen.com/mars.mp3)
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the gulf war was halted in a cease fire with conditions, for 12 years the conditions were not met, that resulted in resumption of hostilities that you call the "2nd gulf war".
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
And we sent our army into Iraq for a crime that was never committed. Is that funny?
Do you think the people who were in charge during 911 wants anybody looking into what went wrong DURING the attacks? They are not going to press too hard for anything resembling an investigation into 911, trust me.
ahh the Iraq defense. We can justify any wrong doings by just bringing up Iraq.
Good Call
Here's to you (budweiser "real men of genious" theme song plays):aok
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What Berger was dealing with was apparently the Millennium After-Action report--just before Y2k, some Muslim gentlemen were planning to blow up a bunch of stuff in LA, and were caught by a very astute customs agent (lady) The Clinton administration played this up as if their successful policies were the real cause of the capture, and Berger was looking into the paperwork on this stuff to prep Clinton for the 911 Commission.
U.S. Customs officer Diana Dean told the Digest she found the olive-skinned Canadian who identified himself as "Benni Norris" unusually nervous. The ferry from Vancouver had just chugged up to its slip at Port Angeles, Washington on the afternoon of December 14, 1999, and Norris lowered the window of his Chrysler 300. Despite the chilly air, he was sweating, Dean noticed. When she asked him to open his trunk, he bolted. After a brief chase, "Norris"/Ressam was arrested. In the trunk, they found 130 pounds of plastic explosives, two 22 ounce plastic bottles full of nitro glycol, and a map of LAX.
When the Department of Justice began interviewing "Norris"/Ressam, they didn't have a clue who he was. But Judge Bruguière did. He called the Department of Justice, and offered prosecutors his file on Ressam and his ties to al Qaeda. At the time, Bruguiere said, DOJ had no idea what a big catch they had, nor did DOJ have access to any intelligence about Ressam's ties to al-Qaeda. Ultimately, because of "The Wall" Bruguiere had to testify for seven hours in Seattle to lay out the al Qaeda connection to help U.S. prosecutors make their case against Ressam.
In other words, the "wall of separation" constructed by Jamie Gorelick made it virtually impossible for U.S. authorities to stop Ahmed Rassam, the "Millenium Bomber," by design or intention. It was left to blind luck. The NSC's Millennium After Action Review — which, based on Attorney General Ashcroft's testimony, must be devastating in its analysis of not only this event but of the Gorelick policy — remains classified. And, most significantly, it's likely the Review's criticisms and warnings were either ignored or rejected by the Clinton Justice Department.
Given all the past intelligence information that has been made public by the 9/11 Commission — including the August 6, 2001, President's Daily Brief, which had never before been released — there appears to be no legitimate basis for the 9/11 Commission keeping the Review under lock and key. It's time to release it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200404151634.asp
A Landmark Note
12/20 07:47 PM
Landmark Legal Foundation , of which I am president, had used the Freedom of Information Act to seek all versions/copies of the documents Berger had stolen from the government. Our request is still pending with President Clinton's office. (Yes, he gets to decide about their release during a 12-year period from the time he left office, then certain agencies get to decide, and so forth.) The general counsel to the Inspector Counsel of the National Archives contacted me and asked if we would agree to the release of this report in lieu of securing notes taken by the IG's staff, which he represented were of no real significance. Well, considering the protracted process the government has set up to avoid releasing most of this information, Landmark agreed. We were to receive the report simultaneous with the media.
Apparently the IG's office released the Berger report to the media before providing a copy to Landmark, and released it only a few days before Christmas. Maybe we'll revisit our agreement with the IG's office and go back for the notes.
http://levin.nationalreview.com/
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