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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1epic1 on December 21, 2006, 09:16:30 PM
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Im in training for my privates license...training on a C172 and i have yet to figure out how do you read the Taxi ways to the runway...i have looked in my manuals and they dont really tell me much...Like how do you know to turn left or right when you come up to another taxi way that your suppose to take? do you carry a airport diagram with you and follow it? Like you take Taxi Way C and the next Taxi way is H how do you know if you turn left or right?
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http://www.nappf.com/airport_markings.htm
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i know what the signs mean, but lets say im on Taxiway H and the next Taxi way im suppose to take is C i come up to it and how do i know if i make a right or left turn?
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That all depends on where you're going. Just make sure to turn just after the sign and follow the lead in line.
This just happened to be the best quality picture I can find on short notice.
(http://www.geocities.com/anastasia757/TPA-Diagram.jpg)
Say you're at the FedEx ramp on the east side of the airport north of Rwy 9/27 wanting to go to RWY 36L for takeoff in your Super 7000 airplane that needs 9500 feet to take off. The only catch is Taxiway Juliet is closed between Hotel and India (this lets us have a few more turns for our demonstration)
Your taxi instructions are going to read something like:
FedEx 7000, Taxi to RWY 36L via Kilo, November, Lima, Juliet, Whiskey.
You'll be starting out heading south out of the FedEx ramp on Kilo making a right turn at November.
Taxi all the way down to Lima just past 36R/18L making a right onto Lima.
Left from there onto Juliet until it dead ends into Whiskey.
From there it's easy to taxi to the end of 36L and switch over to tower for your turn to takeoff.
It's really pretty simple and you're going to turn the direction you need to go to get where you're going. Beyond that...it's an odd question. Just go where you need to go :)
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Epic, are you at a controlled airport? Are you on the radio with Ground? If so, you can request Taxi Following (or something like that... Golfer, help me out here; been years since I asked for it) and the Ground Controller will take you step by step until you are familiar with the layout.
But once you know what your active runway is, getting there should be fairly logical.
Is your instructor making you guess...?
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Progressive Taxi, Dux.
The ground controller will have eyes on you and direct you through your turns. It's come in handy for me my first time at MDW and numerous times as a student pilot at "large" (at the time they were HUGE!)airports such as Ohio State University, Mansfield and Port Columbus.
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Originally posted by Dux
Is your instructor making you guess...?
no, but i always wanted to know how he knows when to turn or not...i guess since hes been working there for awhile he knows the runways by memory...but thanks guy for the info will be great info to use when i do my cross country flights....i found a airport diagram of my airport (ellington airforce base...houston) so ill just add it to my kneeboard till i memorize it:)
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It's just a matter of experience then, epic. He's done it umpteen hundred times and knows his way around.
The airport I learned at was basically a ramp, a runway and a parallel taxiway. It helps to know you're at a "large" airport. It will make you a better pilot :)
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Hi Epic,
First, congrats on going for your pilot's license. It's a great experience. Have you soloed yet? If not, it's something to definitely look forward to.
It helps to have an airport diagram to look at prior to going to the airport in question. You can look at it to kind of get a 'feel' for how you should progress. I usually look up an airport on AOPA's website. It's not as detailed as some of the answers you've already received, but it does kind of give you a picture.
By the way, have you joined AOPA yet? If not, look into it at http://www.aopa.org. They also offer for 6 month free a Flight Training magazine. It's at https://flighttraining.aopa.org/apps/student/ft_free.cfm?priority=SX05ASLTF. I found this to have some useful learning info.
Good luck!
Glove
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WTG Epic :)
Flying is the most fun you can have with your clothes on, period.
So many different planes .. so little time :)
Enjoy them all!
-Frank aka GE
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epic, who are you flying with out of ellington? I fly out of there also.
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Wanna talk about taxi ing (sp)? Last week I flew into Kennedy INT for my first time. Landed 31L and had to taxi to general aviation. Wasn't that it was necessarily a difficult taxi, because I was progressive the whole way, but it took damn near 15 minutes, and I was constantly concerned about being blown away by jet blast from the 767 in front of me. Made sure to keep me safe distance and that was in a King Air. Now imagine a 172. Lesson is epic, 172's can be lift off their whells by three or four strong guys. Imagine was a mininum of two, veyr freaking powerful jet engines could do? keep your distance lol
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Originally posted by Dnil
epic, who are you flying with out of ellington? I fly out of there also.
Marshall
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i am going to be one someday. can i still read this thread?
:confused:
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Ron Machado's Airplane Flying Handbook is a great resource for questions like these. he puts all the need to know info into easier terminology instead of FAA terms. its about $30 at just about any pilot store.
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pilot store?
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Sporty's Pilot Store... (Shop) (http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/)
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cool!
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marshall from cliffs is your instructor?
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Originally posted by 1epic1
no, but i always wanted to know how he knows when to turn or not...
Its just his familiarity with that airport.
You'll never be familiar with every airport you might encounter, but you can do your best by studying your diagram ahead of time and getting a good idea what the control is likely to have you do after you land.
Failing that, progressive taxi. Some towers hate progressive taxi... Santa Barbara jumps to mind (I hate that facility, less traffic than Van Nuys, but the they act like they are Heathrow and don't have time for anything you need).
Anyhow, because of some experiences like that I go to a lot of trouble to avoid asking for progressive... Its all on the charts and makes everyone happy when you study up before you go. Takes load off the controllers to, which is always a good thing.
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Here's another completely nerdy thing you can do. Do whatever you're doing in Microsoft Flight Sim. Whether there's an obstacle or noise abatement departure, taxiing or just to familiarize yourself with towers (the cell phone towers are pretty darn close in FS9 to real life...save any new ones built in the last couple years) in the local area.
Works great and its free once you have the software. I'd suggest NOT getting FSX because...it's FSX.
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Originally posted by Dnil
marshall from cliffs is your instructor?
yes he is, from cliff hydes professional pilot training center elligton
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88,
If you go to most medium or larger airports in the GA side they will have a little store in the pilots lounge area or the area where the desk is located. Some of them are pretty fair sized and have all sorts of aviation related gizmos besides the latest sectional or fuel tester. Some of Machado's books are there too.
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did you happen to fly 72566 on friday around 1230 or so?
I know marshall very well, flew out at cliffs for a while.
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Originally posted by Dnil
did you happen to fly 72566 on friday around 1230 or so?
I know marshall very well, flew out at cliffs for a while.
negative, i flew out on firday but around 1430, dont remember the plane
im going in for another lesson tommorow at 1000