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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on December 22, 2006, 09:41:35 AM
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http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm
In light of the recent phony story here of a case of shooting in self defense I thought I might link to this site.
There are over a thousand stories (all printed in local newspapers) of citizens using firearms to save theirs or others lives or property.
Most of these people would have been killed or maimed if they had not had a firearm.
There are also some good gun quotes from the site. You won't see these on the nightly news or the major newspapers very often.. They happen every day but the liberal media ignores them.
lazs
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"When the leader is morally weak and his discipline not strict, when his instructions and guidance are not enlightened, when there are no consistent rules, neighboring rulers will take advantage of this." - Mao Tse Tung
:noid
What's this lawyer been doing since 2001?
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We had this just east of Columbus last week.
http://www.whiotv.com/news/10524005/detail.html
http://wcpo.com/news/2006/local/12/13/uc_player.html
Apparently when the boyfriend answered the door,two armed intruders forced their way in.They were attacking him and he screamed for help from his girlfriend who was in the bedroom,as was their 9mm.
She retrieved the gun,came out and nailed both of them.
Well done.
Edit:Added second story with more info.
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redbottom.... don't know.
another quote from your hero tho...
"Every Communist must grasp the truth, 'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.' Our principle is that the [Communist] Party commands the gun and the gun will never be allowed to command the Party." Mao Tse-tung, "Problems of War and Strategy," November 6, 1938, in Selected Works of Mao Zedong (1965)
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Maybe it is just me but this seems like these stories of self defence would be extremely newsworthy.... much more so than the silly crap that they spend hours on. It is hard to not notice the medias agenda here when a pit bull attack that injures someone will get 3 days coverage but a self defense shooting doesn't even make news unless someone involved is famous.
lazs
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Well of course the main stream media will not report a story about someone actually using a firearm to save their own or someone elses life from an attacker. Stories like that only prove one thing....guns are not evil in and of themselves and the media doesn't want the uneducated public to understand that.
Now have a story where someone uses a gun in a crime and they are all over it because they can spin it to show just how evil guns are. The bias of the media is so strong now that I don't even watch the news anymore because there are no facts being reported, and if there are facts involved it's only the ones that show one side of a story.
Objective reporting in this country, and around the world for that matter, has disappeared. Sex, corruption, violence, and death sell and that's all the media cares to report on anymore. If it's not negative it's not news worthy.
If you were to take a look at lets say 100 news stories, how many of those stories would be about a subject that was a "feel good" story? You know a report where someone did something nice for someone else. Maybe 10 out of a 100...if your lucky.
As far as personal defense goes.....I have used one of my personal firearms on 3 seperate occasions to prevent theft of my property. Never had to fire a shot, but my stuff wasn't ripped off either. My 12 gage has paid for itself many times over.
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Originally posted by lazs2
http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm
In light of the recent phony story here of a case of shooting in self defense I thought I might link to this site.
There are over a thousand stories (all printed in local newspapers) of citizens using firearms to save theirs or others lives or property.
Most of these people would have been killed or maimed if they had not had a firearm.
There are also some good gun quotes from the site. You won't see these on the nightly news or the major newspapers very often.. They happen every day but the liberal media ignores them.
lazs
Happens all the time and I read it in the papers SOMETIMES. Its not the liberal media:) Its the conservative media that isnt printing it:)
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Silat... I beleive that it has been proven that the new media is heavily biased toward the liberal especialy the televised news. conservative papers have been proven to publish more self defence stories than liberal ones.
Lotts book on bias in the media is the best one out there and well documented if you are interested.
You will also notice that the liberal democrats are the ones pushing for the anti second amendment laws and destroying our second amendment rights. even a cursory look at the voting records on gun laws in congress will prove my point.
you really don't have a leg to stand on here if you wish to defend your liberal heroes
lazs
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Originally posted by Silat
Happens all the time and I read it in the papers SOMETIMES. Its not the liberal media:) Its the conservative media that isnt printing it:)
LOL, that's funny right thar, I don't care who ya are:aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
Silat... I beleive that it has been proven that the new media is heavily biased toward the liberal especialy the televised news. conservative papers have been proven to publish more self defence stories than liberal ones.
Lotts book on bias in the media is the best one out there and well documented if you are interested.
You will also notice that the liberal democrats are the ones pushing for the anti second amendment laws and destroying our second amendment rights. even a cursory look at the voting records on gun laws in congress will prove my point.
you really don't have a leg to stand on here if you wish to defend your liberal heroes
lazs
Lazs just as many books saying that the so called lib media is a rightwing talking point. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030224/alterman2
Check out who owns the media. Its conservative corporations.
And we will continue to disagree.
Calling me a lib/dem/whatever isnt an insult.
There are plenty of lib/dem/whatever heroes in American history.
There are just as many lib/dem/whatever as cons who have and are serving this country.
There are many great things done by lib/dem/whatever that have made this country great.
And last time I looked at the anti gun groups they were comprised of an assortment of political parties.
I dont know any mainstream dem in power who is trying to take your guns.
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Most of these people would have been killed or maimed if they had not had a firearm.
- because our criminals are armed?
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If they have access to rocks, sticks, knives, pipes or anything else, they are armed. Even if they don't have a weapon, a healthy criminal vs a weak infirm victim (the type these predators LIKE and look for) they are still a great threat to the life of the crime victim.
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I'm at my parents for the holidays, and my dad just showed me this clip the other day. It is a woman from the public giving testimony during the hearings for the Assault Weapon Ban back in the 90's. It expertly illustrates the reason of why we need the 2nd Amendment.
enjoy even though it is very sad.
http://strategosmedia.com/videos/GunControlWitness.wmv
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Originally posted by VermGhost
....even though it is very sad.
http://strategosmedia.com/videos/GunControlWitness.wmv
I wish I could have walked up behind the guy leaning in his chair with his smug look resting his head on his hand and kicked his chair out from under him when old girl said the 2nd ammendment was for us to protect ourselves from people like him.
I kinda wish also that clip was ran whenever possible to the general masses. She spoke her mind well.
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Yes it was very succinct and clear. I hear a lot of stories from my father and grandfather about how in the last 20-30 years people in society, or just society has gone from accepting the responbility of individual actions to blaming the responsibility on someone else. Then this idea gets transferred into state legislatures that make our laws.
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fastfwd... nope.. read the stories.. most of the criminals were armed with knives or clubs or whatever.
silat... So a lefty website says that most media is owned by conservatives... interesting. Then why do they hire liberals at 76%?
The article is short on documented fact. Lott's book on bias in the media goes into it much more deeply.
The NRA does surveys of all politicians running for office... it appears that about 90% or more of democrats get an "F" or failing grade for their gun control stance... it is only about 10% of the republicans.
Now if you can't think of what democrats are trying to take my guns away then you haven't really been paying attention have you? Is the brady bunch trying to destroy the second amendment? Of course it is... Is it allmost entirely composed of democrats? of course it is. Is finestein a democrat? course she is. Allmost every gun control law in the last 30 years was written and voted in by democrats.
As for liberal and democrat and the past and present uses of the words... you are about 50-60 years too late to be proud of being a liberal or a democrat.... they are a different breed now... more like commies than fighters for real human rights. socialism is a yoke not a freedom.
if you vote for democrats then your second amendment rights mean very little to you.
lazs
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I prefer living in a place where no armed or unarmed attackers invade my house in the first place.
Having my front door unlocked 24/7.
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ripley... read the stories... most of em are elderly or infirm or women who are attacked in their homes by criminals who are not armed with firearms but brute strength and makeshift weapons. Other examples are store or business robberies... you have no robberies or strongarm thefts there?
My ideal place to live is one where anyone can arm themselves with any weapon they wish but there are severe penalties for using a weapon to commit a crime.
Why are you not afraid of your government having guns but afraid for your neighbor to have one?
Often I find that those who think people don't need to have firearms to defend themselves... often I find these folks are young able bodied men who not only think they can take care of themselves but... their families.. they are foolish of course and they no way can protect their loved ones when not home and can't even protect themselves from multiple adversaries armed with makeshift weapons or clubs and knives... they are just naive little cherubs.
oh... and guns or not... I don't want to live in finland for any reason.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
fastfwd... nope.. read the stories.. most of the criminals were armed with knives or clubs or whatever.
silat... So a lefty website says that most media is owned by conservatives... interesting. Then why do they hire liberals at 76%?
The article is short on documented fact. Lott's book on bias in the media goes into it much more deeply.
The NRA does surveys of all politicians running for office... it appears that about 90% or more of democrats get an "F" or failing grade for their gun control stance... it is only about 10% of the republicans.
Now if you can't think of what democrats are trying to take my guns away then you haven't really been paying attention have you? Is the brady bunch trying to destroy the second amendment? Of course it is... Is it allmost entirely composed of democrats? of course it is. Is finestein a democrat? course she is. Allmost every gun control law in the last 30 years was written and voted in by democrats.
As for liberal and democrat and the past and present uses of the words... you are about 50-60 years too late to be proud of being a liberal or a democrat.... they are a different breed now... more like commies than fighters for real human rights. socialism is a yoke not a freedom.
if you vote for democrats then your second amendment rights mean very little to you.
lazs
Riddle me this:
If the media is lefty then why is Bush President?
Why did the Swift boat liars get so much airplay?
The left media message has been a rightwing boogie man for quite sometime. It is a fantasy.
Can you please post the links to the voting records on who voted for gun control?
Now you are calling libs, socialists?
Please dont accept your SS when the time comes. Prove how righty you really are:)
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One of my favorite quotes Hornet33.........
"If guns kill people then I can blame my pencil for mis-spelled words...."
S!
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silat... you are kidding right? You believe like most lefties that control of the media assures victory? that if you truly controled the media you would prevail? LOL.. thankfully.. it is not that simple and people are just tuning out of mainstream media in droves.... Fox decimeated the lefty news shows and it is not that great a news source... the head of NBC addmitted that his service was way too far left. Lefty newspapers are going broke.
But read Lotts book for source and stats.
Go to the NRA/ILA website and do the research and you will see what the voting record is.
you seem perfectly willing...eager even, to go to every lefty site on the web even tho none of them offer a shred of proof or footnotes or sources... Lotts book is heavily footnoted and documented. I have pointed you in the right direction.. it is up to you to look into it.
As for my SS...that was extorted from me... I will accept that pittance the second I am eligible for it. I will try to gain a small fraction back of the money that was extorted from me in my remaining years. There will be no way to get whole over the deal tho. No way to make up the damage that putting the money into stocks would have given me. In any case.. SS will be about 1/5 of my retirement funds and I would have starved to death if it was all I had.
liberals are socialists.... all modern liberal principles lead toward socialism. liberals can't function without a big socialist government. I don't think that you can say that you are not a socialist... not with a straight face anyway.
lazs
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Originally posted by Silat
I dont know any mainstream dem in power who is trying to take your guns.
You just aren't looking. From Hillary's site:
-Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. (Sep 2000)
-Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs. (Sep 2000)
-License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
-Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
-Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
-Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
-Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
-Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns. (Jun 1999)
-Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
-Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm
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Obama is on record (same site as above) as supporting a ban on all semi-automatic firearms. There's a well-reasoned position; every Remington 1100 would be banned.
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guys... I don't think that silat really believes what he was saying.
Liberal got a bad name because of all the people claiming to be one. How is it liberal to ban guns and destroy the second amendment? yet... most who claim the title liberal are for more restrictive gun laws and even more destruction of our second amendment.
lazs