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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: betty on December 22, 2006, 04:05:44 PM
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i dont know what to say really, i'm a trusting person, always have been always will b, i always think the best of ppl and give the benefit of the doubt that ppl r for real and dont lie or stretch the truth...its that bad of me? i feel like this stuff with iceman is crazy, still dont know what to think, i had high respect for him and now i'm really concerned bout him. i'm not gonna slam on him, i'm hopin that if he needs a friend that he will know that i'm here for him regardless of if his story was true or not, i hate bringing this up but i have to defend myself against all the post that included my name and how i was stickin up for a friend. i feel that all this is my fault, i shouldnt have posted anything bout it, i should have kept it to myself, i just know that we are a community and wanted everyone to know that one of our fellow AH'rs was in a bad situation and let that person know that we all care bout each other, i guess i have learned my lesson on this and it will deffinatly never happen again. i still have no problem with iceman and i will never give him crap bout this, i will however <
> him everytime i see him in the game. that is all, just wanted to share a thought for a moment. ty for listening <>
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Its ok Betty , things happen for a reason.
Learn from it and go on enjoying life is the only thing you can do.
~S~ Thirty5
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Who cares what they think Betty? You did what you thought was right, no one was hurt. No harm, no foul.
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posting it was probably the best thing that you could do.
if it isnt true then he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.
if it is he will see that lots of people care about him and love him.
either way, it is appearant that you care and you are to be commended for being
as forgiving as you are.
motto.
always forgive. never forget.
betty
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I think lazs said he wanted to comfort you in your time of sorrow.
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You're not the first person to fall for an intardnet story, and you won't be the last. Don't sweat it.
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It's never a bad thing to see the good in people and hope you see clearly. Though caution is never a bad thing either. You believed you saw clearly and believed in yourself. That alone is all good.
Salute Betty.
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Betty while your loyalty is admirable , best thing to do is let it die .
That's the best advise I can give .
Ohh and IN . :D
Bronk
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<-- gives up the ultimate "Towel"
(http://www.mts.net/~rural/boopbeachsm.JPG)
Just for you Betty .... wear it well :D
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sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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Dont let it bother ya :aok
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Betty,
There is a difference between being a trusting and caring person and being gullible and easy to manipulate. Understand the difference. Also, the internet in general, and online bulliten boards and forums in particular are terrible places to expect honesty and decency. Learn from this. I try to use these forums strictly for my own entertainment. And I will tell you, your "I dont know if I should post this" thread was the BESTEST all year!
:D
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Betty --
It's been said before, but sometimes it helps to hear it again
You think you know somebody, they seem trustworthy. They tell you a story, and there's nothing in it to make you suspicious. You pass it on to the community so we can, well, be a community.
You did absolutely nothing wrong. I repeat, NOTHING.
Some folks get jollies from criticising others. Ignore them. You cared about what happened to someone you trusted, who you had no reason to distrust. You're in the clear.
There's no doubt Ice (or whatever new name he may come back with) is feeling embarrassed now. He should also be ashamed of the way he hurt his friends.
Dont give it another thought, Betty. Go blow something up (IN THE GAME!!!) -- you'll feel better.
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It is very disappointing when it involves a longterm member of a community like AH. I believe in this community and am thankful for it!
Mark
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he was a retard before and still is a retard. this story was just as retarded as his last. Yeager is right though, that was an awesome thread. no point in justifying yourself. Oh yeah, and MT is right. Laz heard you on vox one night and that inspired him to want to give a helping hand.
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Betty didn't do anything wrong and Ice just made up a big whopper and tried it out on his friends.
Keep it all in perspective.
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Betty, you did something for the right reason, nuf said! Have a great Xmas, and New Year, and don't change, just enjoy the game and the people in it.
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Yep yep.
Betty did as I think most of us would do. I think it was actually a good thing for her and the community that this came up before he died again or won another purple heart for taking an RPG in the chest, or whatever.
If we had never heard the story and investigated, then the next one could have really been bad, up to and including people sending money to help out (seen this happen before, sadly...). It all worked out in the end thanks to some folks sifting through it. I thank them and Betty both, for exposing this in its early stages at a point where we can use it as a learning experience.
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Originally posted by betty
..is that a crime?
Not at all.
However
Originally posted by betty
i guess i have learned my lesson on this and it will deffinatly never happen again.
and
Originally posted by betty
i still have no problem with iceman and i will never give him crap bout this, i will however <> him everytime i see him in the game.
are two conflicting statements.
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yeah i got confused to, she said she was going to slam him and then she said she wasn't going to give him crap about it.
Betty=iceman?? :noid
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i ment to say i'm not gonna slam on him, omg!!!grrrrrrrrr
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there...............i fixed it.
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I think most of us read it as "not going to", anyway :)
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Betty, friends do NOT lie to each other, and if it happens, than better be he has a damn good excuse why it happened.
Given his previous history, his explanation would most likely be another fat lie. If you accept his reasons at face value and If you're just going to salute him, then you did NOT learn a lesson.
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Betty...
Your only fault is having a good heart. Look at the bright side, you could be a jaded, icehole like the rest of us. While doing a good thing may not always be the right thing....it will still be a good thing. :)
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Originally posted by RTGorkle
I think most of us read it as "not going to", anyway :)
I don't know about the most of us, but I read left to right, top to bottom. I calls it like i see's it.. etc.,
Bighorn nailed it, so I have nothing further to add.
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Betty trusting is good. Some times it turns back and bites you but most of the time it doesn't. Just don't let those who don't know the value of trust get you down. :aok
Cheers,
asw
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i musta missed something
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Originally posted by moneyguy
i musta missed something
nah, just some intardnet tard making up stories.
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Mistrust is a virtue just as valuable as honesty.
Fortunately for retailers and cult leaders, most parents don't have the stomach to plant that seed.
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I do trust most people, whether in here or in real life. With my cartoon life, or with some of the folks in here even with my real one.
But wasn't this thread done with, I'd expect a lock soon.
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Betty, I have some wonderful Real Estate investment properties to discuss with you when you have time.
(ducks, runs....)
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Huh?
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Originally posted by WMLute
Betty, I have some wonderful Real Estate investment properties to discuss with you when you have time.
Still trying to pawn off those 1 by 1 lots i sold ya eh :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Still trying to pawn off those 1 by 1 lots i sold ya eh :D
Great lake front properties Roo. I'm willing to sell 'em to some sucke.....errr.. lucky person CHEAP!.
(Great vacation spot! If you look past all the swamp. oh, and the Gator's. and the fact it's on an indian burial ground. 'cept for that it ROCKS!)
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Betty there is a fine line between being a good person and being a stupid person. Sometimes when people are being "good people no matter what" they are actually being needy and bringing bad things upon themselves.
While i had no problem with you linking the original story...to now say that you are "there for him no matter what" now that you know he knowingly deceived you and others is foolhardy...
if he respected you, he would not have used you to spread a false story...why would you "be there" for someone who has clearly shown you disrespect and manipulated you once?
find better friends who don't "need" you to "be there for them." otherwise you run the risk of feeding a "savior" complex which sets you up for further abuse.
and be very aware that while AH seems different....this is still the internet and scams work in forums as well as they do in emails. i would be very cautious meeting folks in person who you have only encountered online.
friend
mike
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Originally posted by betty
i dont know what to say really, i'm a trusting person, always have been always will b, i always think the best of ppl and give the benefit of the doubt that ppl r for real and dont lie or stretch the truth...its that bad of me? i feel like this stuff with iceman is crazy, still dont know what to think, i had high respect for him and now i'm really concerned bout him. i'm not gonna slam on him, i'm hopin that if he needs a friend that he will know that i'm here for him regardless of if his story was true or not, i hate bringing this up but i have to defend myself against all the post that included my name and how i was stickin up for a friend. i feel that all this is my fault, i shouldnt have posted anything bout it, i should have kept it to myself, i just know that we are a community and wanted everyone to know that one of our fellow AH'rs was in a bad situation and let that person know that we all care bout each other, i guess i have learned my lesson on this and it will deffinatly never happen again. i still have no problem with iceman and i will never give him crap bout this, i will however <> him everytime i see him in the game. that is all, just wanted to share a thought for a moment. ty for listening <>
Betty you did what any friend would have done and someone would be lucky to be able to call you as a friend.
As for Iceman24...I have really nothing to say about him or to him. As far as I'm concerned he's a non-entity now. I am embarrased though that a squadron mate is the one that lied to his friends and community.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by betty
i dont know what to say really, i'm a trusting person, always have been always will b,
So you're a good person. Don't feel guilty about that or doing what you felt was right.
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I came in late. Even so, reading the first page, the initial faux-AAR, I thought to myself, "why would you talk about 'I load my ACP in my Glock'?" ACP stands for Automatic Colt Pistol, which is the smaller of the .45 rounds (Long colt is for the old revolvers). Someone who was in the military (as he supposedly was, or is that false as well?) wouldn't brag about loading their Glock with "ACP," as any moron with a handgun and a modicum of knowledge knows it's just the designation of the cartridge, not the bullet itself.
Maybe if he'd bragged "and I stay loaded with .45 HP or HS" I would've believed it. Wouldn't have gone congatulating him until I got more info, though. I guess in your situation, Betty, you didn't think he'd pull it on you. Not your fault. I once had a PS2 and a buttload of games stolen from me by a guy whose life I saved. Such is life. Can't trust everyone but you have to trust SOME people. Don't let it sour you.
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Don't sweat it.....and merry christmas betty ;)
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Hey Betty after talking to you numerous times i just think your the sweetest person and wish you well. The world could use a few more beautiful people like you. I love you (hugs).... and heres a BIG Ledpig MERRY CHRISTMAS !! :D :aok
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Betty
theres an old saying......
Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me.......
Ya got fooled once ,happens to everyone,live and learn its all part of it.
Pipz
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i totaly believed the story too betty, and so did alot of other people.
some of us share the thought that there really is not much real need to lie about things in life, and it is all too easy to assume your morals will apply to the rest of society.
just remember that as a spieces humans are the most savage and selfish minded on the planet, thats why we pwned almost all other animals and took over most of the world and even parts of the moon.
took me a while to work out that trust is not something one gives away, more something that one must earn from another individual, yet still we all get fooled into giving trust away at times.
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you did the a comendable thing,
nothing better than sticking by a friend and showing support,
it's nothing to do with you that what he said was lies, you were just the innocent bystander in a bank robbery sorta thing, and what if it was true and you hadn't supported him, you might have felt guilty,
ignore what a few crackpots in here might think and dont let it worry you,... most of them you dont know and are just busy body's behind PC montiors eating nacho's lol
<>
Hul367th
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Don't sweat it Betty... we all love ya and know you had the best intentions when you went out of your way to support your friend... :)
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Yep, look at the bright side,
You will probably end up a jaded icehole like the rest of us and things will be much easier and yet still fun. :cool:
or you will live a life of embarrassment and social pain and become a cat hoarder.
:aok
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Look at the bright side, you could be a jaded, icehole like the rest of us.
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HIJACK THREAD ON:
WOW, Kanth, so good to see ya post, hope & wish all is well in your part of the world, miss flying ingame with you!!!
Merry Christmas /HNY- to you and family - be safe ;)
HIJACK THREAD OFF:
betty, you never go wrong if you do what you feel is right in your heart, regardless of the outcome, forgive & forget.............that's what it is all about.....nothing more really....... Merry Christmas All ~S~
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Hey TC nice to see you too,
Merry Christmas to you and yours and Happy New Year!
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betty... I never agree with falconwing but in this case he is right on the money. listen to what the man says. Otherwise.. I would like you to help man my "end womens suffrage now" booth at the local walmart for a few weekends.
and.. have to withdraw my offer for comfort.. damn jealous mexican girlfriend isn't going for it... something about my "eggs" and broke or cut or something... I don't know... just learning spanish..
trust... but verify.
lazs
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I believe that John Milius had it partially right when he wrote, in his script for Conan the Barbarian:
"Conan's Father: For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. This you can trust. [Points to sword] "
You have to learn at an early age that you are alone in the world, and that you should keep your money safe. But you can't even trust yourself; you might be drunk, or wrong, and in the long run your body will grow old and feeble and will betray you, and eventually it will kill you after making your feeble and senile. You can't trust your own mind.
You should never entrust anything you hold dear to another person, and you should always watch your back. I cannot give you a positive lesson because there aren't any. Things do not happen for a reason; there is no guiding intelligence to the universe; you will never see your dead parents again; creation was not created; and the universe is a big electromagnetic bubble that is gradually winding down.
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S!
Merry Christmas Betty
Your friend Runny Babbit :D
S!
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BTW,
No it's not a crime.
S!
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no betty loyalty to your friends is a hallmark of decency. I would do the same.
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the philosophy of Conan?
hehe.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i totaly believed the story too betty, and so did alot of other people.
some of us share the thought that there really is not much real need to lie about things in life, and it is all too easy to assume your morals will apply to the rest of society.
just remember that as a spieces humans are the most savage and selfish minded on the planet, thats why we pwned almost all other animals and took over most of the world and even parts of the moon.
took me a while to work out that trust is not something one gives away, more something that one must earn from another individual, yet still we all get fooled into giving trust away at times.
Golly-gee it Batty.... Ya took all the words right outta my mouth....
EDIT Falconwing was right on the money too
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Falconwing pretty much sums it well.
Betty, first, try to use punctuation. It helps others to better understand what exactly your thoughts are.
Also, would it kill you if you at least tried to spell a word or two correctly?:D
Merry Christmas Betty.:)
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There appears to be a correlation between believing Iceman and not using capitals, using punctuation improperly and awful grammar in general.
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Must be an eskimo thing.
Lots of people seem to be giving advice in this thread. Here's something I remember as a kid. A frog once said this:
Here's some simple advice: Always be yourself.
Never take yourself too seriously. And beware of
advice from experts, pigs and members of Parliament.
-Kermit
Then again, he also said this:
I have a lot of great memories from the swamp. I
remember when I was little, we'd all just sit out on
our lily pads for hours and hours, rocking gently on
the water and listening to the soft, sweet sound of
chirping crickets... Then, of course, we'd eat the
crickets...But that's another story.
-Kermit
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I too agree with Falconwing.
I didnt even get half way through Iceman's story and alarm bells were going off on my BS meter. However, I dont think you should be too hard on yourself about it betty, not everyone is as cynical and suspicious as me.
What you should learn from this is people like Iceman use good hearted people like you, but dont stop being a good hearted person just because of jerks like that. Try to add a tiny dose of sceptisicm to your trusting nature and you will be fine.
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Apeking...dang who made you the Black Hole of AH?...WTG.....There are many decent folks here..........I just can't find any right now...........Anyway Life is Good!...you just need to Give!
999000
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Betty,
Read your original post, and what you did was sympathetic. Something that a true friend would do for another. Looking at the replies, it seems as if others shared your same concerns. Because you got caught up in a Bulls#it artists con doesn't make you a bad person.
I'm sure that one thing good will come from this and that he won't EVER gather the respect of the AH community again.
No one likes a liar
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
And beware of
advice from experts, pigs and members of Parliament.
-Kermit
:lol
btw froggie, the link in your sig has an errant space.
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Betty,
Enjoy the holidays with loved ones!!!
Merry Christmas! :)
opps, almost forgot!
Hi Kanth...welcome back!
Ren
The Damned
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Your heart was in the right place Betty -- don't sweat it. And have a merry, distraction-free Christmas. Much more important thing in life than worrying about this little nothing.
As for trust... the watchword of the City News Bureau of Chicago (recently deceased) says it best:"If your mother tells you she loves you, check it out." Very applicable to the Internet. At least where the "extraordinary" things are concerned.
Charon
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Betty you did what any friend would have done and someone would be lucky to be able to call you as a friend.
As for Iceman24...I have really nothing to say about him or to him. As far as I'm concerned he's a non-entity now. I am embarrased though that a squadron mate is the one that lied to his friends and community.
ack-ack
Naa no Squad would still have him after that fiasco... would make the whole squad look bad
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you guys do realize that he will be back soon with a new handle?
lazs
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I skimmed through the majority of the replies, and they all seem to reflect what I'd say.
I'd like to add an observation.
I've been using computers for a long time. I learned early on to be skeptical, and I think this is a good thing. I've played many games over various different periods. I dedicated* 2 years of my life to a Tribes team. I've done many online FPS games. I played Counter-Strike since beta 7 and DOD since way back before recoil was installed. I played them all the way until Source was released (then source blows for all net code so I quit). I've played various flight sims, including Star Wars ones.
Let's just say I have had a wide array of experiences with gaming communities and game types.
Aces High is the first one with what I think of as (for lack of a better term) the Voss-Types. I don't know iceman. I don't know if that outlandish story really happened. It sounds fishy, on the surface, but hey life is strange. This game has had a very high concentration of folks that feel the need to spread lies about themselves for whatever mental reasons. I've seen a FEW rare cases of it, scattered over a period of 5+ years, in a SW gaming club. But again, compared to the number of folks involved it was a low %. However in AH you get folks doing it left and right. Not to mention the ones that fake their own death.
The jaded little boy inside of me thinks they're all a small pool of folks just creating endless reincarnations of themselves as a way to bypass massive psychiatric bills and avoiding the many drugs they need to balance themselves. However the gumpy adult in me says "No, there's really that many freaks around here" and just ignores their attempts** to gain notoriety.
Trusting? Yes, you are. Too much trust? Yes it can be a bad thing. Too much trust is why we have millions of folks spreading chain mail e-mails on the internet about fake virus warnings. Too much trust is why royal people in Nigeria need our bank info to save their dead ancestral earnings. Too much trust is why these AH community "attention potatos" (again, for lack of better words) do what they do. The thing is to find a good balance between skepticism and trust. I trust folks, but I don't buy into everything I'm told, just because I'm told it. I suggest you find a good balance of skepticism, Betty. Other than that, no harm on your part. I blame the folks that START it more than the folks that perpetuate it.
* I do not use this word lightly.
** mostly