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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on December 23, 2006, 08:20:08 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9056068192424546470
This probably won't help you decide which console to purchase... but hell... an informed consumer is a smart consumer.
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Oh, and not the Wii chick either.
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People are trying to trade their PS3s for Wiis.
Straight across.
Even though the PS3 costs twice as much.
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I have been hearing the same thing from the kids at work. Wii apparently kicks much arse and has better games.
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I'd love to see Call of Duty on the Wii.
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All the anecdotal stuff I heard indicates that the Wii kicks and is kicking the crap out of PS3.
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I think Sony and Microsoft both overestimated the market for bigger, better, faster, more. Hell... In November, the PS2 still outsold every other console.
PS3 and XBox 360 offer nothing new. They're just prettier versions of the same stuff that is available on PS2 or XBox. It's the same problem with the gaming industry altogether. When was the last time they came out with something genuinely new and different?
Then along comes Wii. It's not just new, it's different and it's flying off the shelves. Maybe the rest of the industry will get a clue.
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but PS3 will have the new GRAND THEFT AUTO later in 2007:D
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
but PS3 will have the new GRAND THEFT AUTO later in 2007:D
(http://www.killsometime.com/pictures/images/pic1093.jpg)
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I love that picture. :rofl
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
but PS3 will have the new GRAND THEFT AUTO later in 2007:D
So will the Xbox 360.
As to the person who mentioned it, Callof Duty sucks on the Wii. However the sports game that comes with the console, Wii Sports is outrageously fun.
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Saw a good read about this at Tom's Hardware (http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/12/22/opinion_buying_a_ps3/)
For some reason, Playstation 3s have been popping up around the country here and there. You still need to have some luck to come across a console, but there's a good chance that you'll run into available units on your last shopping day before Christmas. And question will be: Should you buy it?
Waiting for the PS3: Tent cities forming in front of stores ...
Well, here is a situation few of us had expected: The Playstation 3 is actually in reach, without a need to shell out a big premium to an Ebay seller. I admit, I was among those who wanted to buy a PS3 initially and I really did not want to deal with a lower resolution Wii and a one-year-old Xbox 360.
But who camps out seven days in front of a Best Buy to get a game console? Certainly not me and when I saw that PS3s were going for $4000+ on Ebay I planned on getting the console sometime in Spring, when I believed supply would be able to catch up with demand. Turns out supply is already easing: A few days ago, my wife and I were grocery shopping, and while we were picking out green beans, the store manager announced over the speaker that PS3s would be available. Of course, we rushed over to the electronics apartment and got in line (it's always a good thing to have a spouse who understands your needs.)
So, there we were, third in line and guaranteed a 60 GB console. But then, reality kicks in and questions your excitement for HD gaming: This thing is expensive! $600 plus another $60 and taxes add more than $700 to your credit card balance. Don't forget, we are talking about a toy here.
Anyway, we decided to get it - sooner or later I would have to get one anyway to write about games and to keep up with my colleague Mark Raby, who keeps telling me how great his Wii is. The PS3 has now been under our TV for two days and the old PS2 has begun collecting dust, but the excitement for the shiny PS3 has somewhat faded, because the PS3 didn't meet quite my expectations.
If you end up in a similar scenario and come across a suddenly available PS3 right before or after Christmas, here's what you should keep in mind and don't buy the console if you ...
(1) ... aren't absolutely sure that you can afford a $600 toy
I mentioned it above and you've heard it before. The price tag is $600 (the 20 GB and $500 version is rather rare) and, of course, that's not all. You'll have to consider at least one game, and in many cases a $50 HDMI cable. Down the road, you'll be buying more games - in the end, you don't want to waste your $600 investment. So, its likely that you'll it'll cost you close to $1000 to enjoy your PS3.
While standing in line for the PS3, I overheard a discussion from a couple in front of, which was not really about the PS3, but more about some possibilities how they could tell their landlord that they couldn't afford their next rent payment because of the purchase of the PS3. I don't have to be Suze Orman to tell you that its plain stupid to buy a PS3 if that means you can't buy food or rent anymore.
(2) ... don't have the appropriate HD equipment to go along with it
We have an HDTV, at least that is what they told us almost four years ago when we bought it. But of course, there's no HDMI interface and without HDMI, you won't see much of the PS3's HD capability. So, my recommendation is that if buy buy a PS3, you better make sure that you have the whole package - at least a 720p HDTV with HDMI interface and since we are at it, a decent surround sound system. Anything below that, the PS2 is not only the more economical, but clearly the smarter choice.
(3) ... don't know exactly what you want to do with it
The choice of games for the PS3 is rather limited right now. But in the end, games and your passion for gaming that will lead you to justify the purchase of this expensive toy. So, if there is a game you definitely are looking for and if it is a game you can't have on the PS2, you have a point. But if you aren't sure and just speculate that there may be great games or base your buying decision on the screenshots on the game cover, there's a good chance that you will be disappointed. As for me, I could care less about first person shooters, but I love racing games on the PS2. I expected a fun experience from Ridge Racer 7 and was terribly disappointed. Yes, there are more shadows, more voices, more background detail and you hear the birds singing, but I expected more from a PS3. I was glad to hear that current PS3 games only exploit about 50% of the console's capabilities. Which means, however, that I could have waited a few more months to buy the console.
Let me be clear, I still think the PS3 is a great machine - even if it is overpriced for what you can get out of it today. There are a number of cool features - for example, I love the flawless integration of Wi-Fi and the fact that the device was able to connect to online games without hiccups. Loading times of (current) games have clearly decreased: Some PS2 titles that took 30 seconds or so to load are available almost instantly on the PS3. And then there is the fact that you have a BD-ROM (Blu-ray) player, which is a nice add-on. But I doubt the PS3 will serve as the main HD movie player in future homes.
So, if you aren't in Paris Hilton's tax bracket, there are a few things to consider when purchasing a PS3. Don't be fooled by the sparkle of the latest and greatest on the market. Game consoles are supposed to entertain us and give us a few hours fun. I doubt that the PS3 is capable of providing more fun than a $130 PS2, a $400 Xbox 360 or a $250 Nintendo Wii - at least during Christmas 2006.
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I played with a Wii today (that doesn't sound quite right, hmmm) and had a blast... fishing.
In the Zelda game, there's a fishing segment. You're the main character in a boat, and you can just hang out and fish. I cast using the same hand motions I would for real. Pressed the button to lock the line, swung and released. Watched the hook/lure fly exactly where I threw it.
I wiggled the controller back and forth, and the lure acted just like I had done the same with a real rod. I saw a bass getting close, so I twitched the lure and slowly tugged it back. In my right hand I had the other half of the controller (it's connected to the first with a cable) and I made the same motions with it that I would winding a fishing pole, and it tugged the lure closer to me. Interested, the fish swam up and took the bait.
I yanked the pole back with my right hand and got him on the hook! I started working the line and winding it in. The fish was really fighting me, and at one point slipped the hook. I tried a couple more times, then managed to pull a fish in and land him.
I realized that the only thing the guy at the store had to tell me was which button controlled the catch on the reel, and even that was intuitive because it was exactly where I'd expect it to be on a real setup.
I want one, hope they ship more in soon.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Saw a good read about this at Tom's Hardware (http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/12/22/opinion_buying_a_ps3/)
For some reason, Playstation 3s have been popping up around the country here and there. You still need to have some luck to come across a console, but there's a good chance that you'll run into available units on your last shopping day before Christmas. And question will be: Should you buy it?
Waiting for the PS3: Tent cities forming in front of stores ...
Well, here is a situation few of us had expected: The Playstation 3 is actually in reach, without a need to shell out a big premium to an Ebay seller. I admit, I was among those who wanted to buy a PS3 initially and I really did not want to deal with a lower resolution Wii and a one-year-old Xbox 360.
But who camps out seven days in front of a Best Buy to get a game console? Certainly not me and when I saw that PS3s were going for $4000+ on Ebay I planned on getting the console sometime in Spring, when I believed supply would be able to catch up with demand. Turns out supply is already easing: A few days ago, my wife and I were grocery shopping, and while we were picking out green beans, the store manager announced over the speaker that PS3s would be available. Of course, we rushed over to the electronics apartment and got in line (it's always a good thing to have a spouse who understands your needs.)
So, there we were, third in line and guaranteed a 60 GB console. But then, reality kicks in and questions your excitement for HD gaming: This thing is expensive! $600 plus another $60 and taxes add more than $700 to your credit card balance. Don't forget, we are talking about a toy here.
Anyway, we decided to get it - sooner or later I would have to get one anyway to write about games and to keep up with my colleague Mark Raby, who keeps telling me how great his Wii is. The PS3 has now been under our TV for two days and the old PS2 has begun collecting dust, but the excitement for the shiny PS3 has somewhat faded, because the PS3 didn't meet quite my expectations.
If you end up in a similar scenario and come across a suddenly available PS3 right before or after Christmas, here's what you should keep in mind and don't buy the console if you ...
(1) ... aren't absolutely sure that you can afford a $600 toy
I mentioned it above and you've heard it before. The price tag is $600 (the 20 GB and $500 version is rather rare) and, of course, that's not all. You'll have to consider at least one game, and in many cases a $50 HDMI cable. Down the road, you'll be buying more games - in the end, you don't want to waste your $600 investment. So, its likely that you'll it'll cost you close to $1000 to enjoy your PS3.
While standing in line for the PS3, I overheard a discussion from a couple in front of, which was not really about the PS3, but more about some possibilities how they could tell their landlord that they couldn't afford their next rent payment because of the purchase of the PS3. I don't have to be Suze Orman to tell you that its plain stupid to buy a PS3 if that means you can't buy food or rent anymore.
(2) ... don't have the appropriate HD equipment to go along with it
We have an HDTV, at least that is what they told us almost four years ago when we bought it. But of course, there's no HDMI interface and without HDMI, you won't see much of the PS3's HD capability. So, my recommendation is that if buy buy a PS3, you better make sure that you have the whole package - at least a 720p HDTV with HDMI interface and since we are at it, a decent surround sound system. Anything below that, the PS2 is not only the more economical, but clearly the smarter choice.
(3) ... don't know exactly what you want to do with it
The choice of games for the PS3 is rather limited right now. But in the end, games and your passion for gaming that will lead you to justify the purchase of this expensive toy. So, if there is a game you definitely are looking for and if it is a game you can't have on the PS2, you have a point. But if you aren't sure and just speculate that there may be great games or base your buying decision on the screenshots on the game cover, there's a good chance that you will be disappointed. As for me, I could care less about first person shooters, but I love racing games on the PS2. I expected a fun experience from Ridge Racer 7 and was terribly disappointed. Yes, there are more shadows, more voices, more background detail and you hear the birds singing, but I expected more from a PS3. I was glad to hear that current PS3 games only exploit about 50% of the console's capabilities. Which means, however, that I could have waited a few more months to buy the console.
Let me be clear, I still think the PS3 is a great machine - even if it is overpriced for what you can get out of it today. There are a number of cool features - for example, I love the flawless integration of Wi-Fi and the fact that the device was able to connect to online games without hiccups. Loading times of (current) games have clearly decreased: Some PS2 titles that took 30 seconds or so to load are available almost instantly on the PS3. And then there is the fact that you have a BD-ROM (Blu-ray) player, which is a nice add-on. But I doubt the PS3 will serve as the main HD movie player in future homes.
So, if you aren't in Paris Hilton's tax bracket, there are a few things to consider when purchasing a PS3. Don't be fooled by the sparkle of the latest and greatest on the market. Game consoles are supposed to entertain us and give us a few hours fun. I doubt that the PS3 is capable of providing more fun than a $130 PS2, a $400 Xbox 360 or a $250 Nintendo Wii - at least during Christmas 2006.
If your TV has a DVI input, they DO make HDMI-DVI adapters. You'll just need to use the appropriate audio connections. The picture quality of HDMI and DVI are IDENTICAL. Only convenience is one cable containing audio and video.
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Its an interesting line-up to be sure.
Consider:
XBOX360 (which runs XBOX games, albeit theres been glitches reported... its a microsoft product so its no surprise!)
Pros: Very good graphics and sound. Price is damn decent for such a performance.
Cons: Very limited... very very limited choice of games.
Seeing the XBOX360, a year after release, having less games than the newly released 'other' consoles is just disheartening.
My Rating : 3/10
- and its all because it has few games. What good is a top notch machine if you dont have games to run on it? Its like buying a linux box and thinking you can go to the mall and buy a computer game that will run on it.
Nintendo Wii
Pros: Innovative controls, good graphics/sound. The #1 seller here is the Wii controller of course. Very decent price too!. Wii can run other Nintendo platform games too.
Cons: While the Wii has much better game availability than the XBOX360 ... it suffers from LACK of game choices. Most Nintendo games are kiddie like games or uninspired first person shooters (most of them available on all other consoles) or unoriginal fantasy/puzzle games. Think: Mario / Rainbow 6 / Zelda
My rating : 7/10
- and it gets the bulk of those points for the innovative controller. Perhaps Nintendo will wake up and release more varied games.
Playstation 3
Pros: Very powerful system, an incredible array of available games (runs Ps2 games and by track record, Playstation has the widest and most numerous game lineups of any console.
Cons: Price. Just.. price. (though i wish they'd release a controller similar to the Wii and make games to use it!)
My rating: 1/10
- and it loses 9 points because of the price tag. Sony is shooting itself in the foot on the Ps3. Even if years pass by the price tag will keep the bulk of their old time costumers from buying this console.
Playstation 2
Pros: Incredible variety of games. Price is very, very good now ($125!)
Cons: Its old gen now.
My rating: 9/10
- even if it is an old gen console it is still a good and fun console system. Considering the fact that the PS2 will likely be around for 5 more years it makes this console one of the best buys.
I wonder why Sony has not released a Ps3 without the blu-ray system (which is the item that jacks the price up so much) but with a big hard drive (120 gigs) and allow players to use the HDD as a 'cache' drive. That way the advantage of the blue-ray to give developers the big space to code beautiful graphics can be retained. If the price tag of such a PS3 drops to under $200 without the Blu-ray im sure the consumers will not mind a couple minutes wait while a game "cache's " into the hard drive before playing. (just like Final Fantasy XI does now on the PS2 anyways).
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Update, I got a Wii.
And it's fantastic.
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Originally posted by Tac
I wonder why Sony has not released a Ps3 without the blu-ray system (which is the item that jacks the price up so much) but with a big hard drive (120 gigs) and allow players to use the HDD as a 'cache' drive. That way the advantage of the blue-ray to give developers the big space to code beautiful graphics can be retained. If the price tag of such a PS3 drops to under $200 without the Blu-ray im sure the consumers will not mind a couple minutes wait while a game "cache's " into the hard drive before playing. (just like Final Fantasy XI does now on the PS2 anyways).
IIRC, Blu-ray is a Sony technology. Good chance I'm wrong there. I'd figure it's to push the product over the HD-DVDs.
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I'd love to see Call of Duty on the Wii.
I got a Wii about 2 weeks ago. It rocks - totally. The Wiimote/Nunchuck combo offers a totally new gaming feeling.
But... CoD3 sucks!!! The GFX look bad (even if NOT compared to the 360/PS3 version), the controls only work so-so, voice-over is bad (oh, well in the german version at least). The Wii wasn't made for graphic intensive games. The crazy, innovative stuff is where it shines! That's why I got it. And Madden NFL 2007 is great - the free-motion control actually WORK!!! (and offer so much more immersion)
Watching out for a cheap 360 on ebay. Some nice eye-candy action games out. Really would love to get RS6: Vegas or Chrome Hounds for that matter!
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I'd say go for the Wii
PS3 type game consols have been done to death already
At least he Wii is something different. Not ot mention a more realistic price
Q- What do you call a person who pays $700 plus for a game console?
A- a Sucker
Q What do you call someone who literally waits 2 days in line to pay $700 for a game console? (to keep for himself)
A- A friggen moron
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Some say how bad the PS3 is and all. I got my PS3 couple days ago and were in stock all over at the mall near me. Its unbelievable fast loading times on PS2 games, just waiting for a new PS3 game to come out that looks worth getting. I was thinking about getting Madden for PS3 but already have it for PS2 so using that.
I know its not that big of a deal but it offers break time from AH and hell I can browse the internet with the PS3.
Some dont notice though that PS3 does have a motion senor controller so it is somewhat similar to the Wii's controller.
P.S.- Didnt pay for PS3 bymyself, split cost amongst household.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Some say how bad the PS3 is and all. I got my PS3 couple days ago and were in stock all over at the mall near me. Its unbelievable fast loading times on PS2 games, just waiting for a new PS3 game to come out that looks worth getting. I was thinking about getting Madden for PS3 but already have it for PS2 so using that.
I know its not that big of a deal but it offers break time from AH and hell I can browse the internet with the PS3.
Some dont notice though that PS3 does have a motion senor controller so it is somewhat similar to the Wii's controller.
P.S.- Didnt pay for PS3 bymyself, split cost amongst household.
HOOOOOOCH!!!!!
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The price on PS3 on eBay have fallen through the floor. Saw one that was up for sale for $1,400 and the highest bid it received was for $345.
Xbox 360 is pretty damn nice and does has some really good games for it like Dead Rising and the upcoming Mass Effect but for party games nothing beats the Wii.
ack-ack
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after watching that commercial
im thinking naughty things about my wii
:p
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Smart buggers at Nintendo when it came to the wii...why compete with the hard core gamer PS2/3 - XBox crowd?
I mean - they tapped into the old fashioned "family" orientated type of games (with access to more mature games) - with the an incredibly fun controller at a very competitive price.
I don't particularly want my sons whiling away their time playing consol games - but if I had to choose I'd go for a wii because I think it's something we could all have fun with...
I say that of course while I still play PC games..and have an Xbox 360 :aok
Tronsky
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the xbox 360 has some very interesting games coming up.
Bullet Witch (has me drooling)
Mass Effect
Assassin's Creed
But thats about it. 3 'cool' games is all ive seen from this console system.
The Wii... havent heard any good games coming up for it. Its all ports (which suffer due to low res of wii) or again, kiddie mario games. Just how many grannys in Japan buy this thing anyway?
PS3.. ***** the price. Id've bought one already if it wasnt so expensive. Trying to find a 20gb version ($500 range).
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The 360 is much more than just a gaming console too. After having mine for about a month I have to say I enjoy 10x more than I did my old xbox.
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Tac, there are some pretty cool games out already:
(The Zelda fishing I mentioned ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mowwQjjlLvA
Rayman Raving Rabbids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G69btPJNKhg
Elebits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqDJCglK8LM
These are just a couple I'm watching carefully. Also, you can put GameCube games in and play them, so there's that whole library, not to mention the Virtual Console. My wife and I have been playing a lot of Super Mario Bros lately.
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One of my cash office girls is a hardcore gamer. She was telling me weeks before it came out how much better Wii was going to be. She got one the first day they were available. I still have'nt heard the end of Wii's greatness.
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Originally posted by rpm
One of my cash office girls is a hardcore gamer. She was telling me weeks before it came out how much better Wii was going to be. She got one the first day they were available. I still have'nt heard the end of Wii's greatness.
That's generally true for all sides, though. Same as linux/mac/windows users fighting over who is best.
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I've never had any consoles but I think Im going to buy Wii.
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No offense chairboy, but those games are not what im interested in.
Rayman, Elebits and Zelda are what i consider kiddie games / uninspired fantasy games.
Look up the trailers of the games I mentioned above in the Xbox360.
I think the Wii is really marketted to families with young children (for which it IS wonderful im sure) but not for a grown up audience. Nintendo has been this way since their first console release really.
RPM: Ask her what games she has/likes. Im curious. Its hard to find a lineup of Wii games on the net.
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The Wii has a recall on the controllers though
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
The Wii has a recall on the controllers though
Link? I haven't heard anything.
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They're sending out new straps to anyone who requests them. They aren't recalling anything.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
They're sending out new straps to anyone who requests them. They aren't recalling anything.
thats what the guy at GameStop told me when I was playing the Wii display there
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The guy at best buy told me my laptop would have 80 GB of memory, too.
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yeah nintendo just recalled the straps
people here the word recall and dont care what it is
nintendo is good about having their stuff good to go out of the box with no recalls
now ps3 that is ganna get a major recall any day now
the rushed the hell out of it
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The straps being replaced on request (not recalled) isn't a commentary on Nintendo, it's a condemnation of the Wiitards who throw their controllers at their TVs.
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Originally posted by nickf620
yeah nintendo just recalled the straps
people here the word recall and dont care what it is
nintendo is good about having their stuff good to go out of the box with no recalls
now ps3 that is ganna get a major recall any day now
the rushed the hell out of it
did they fix all the bugs with the 360?:confused:
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I have an Xbox 360, love it. There are a fair amount of games for it, and it is quite a bit of fun. F.E.A.R. is awesome as is Gears of War.
I also pre bought a PS3 for the sole reason of reselling it. Sold it on Ebay for over $2500.00 profit.
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They should bring this back
(http://www.ejeson.se/mahoney/images/photos/Nintendo-64-N64-console-system.jpg):D
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Originally posted by Tac
Its an interesting line-up to be sure.
Consider:
XBOX360 (which runs XBOX games, albeit theres been glitches reported... its a microsoft product so its no surprise!)
Cons: Very limited... very very limited choice of games.
My Rating : 3/10
- and its all because it has few games.
How on earth can you claim that it has "few games"?
Check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/xbox360games.htm
http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/
I'd say that there are quite nice selection of games, including quite a lot of very good games as well.
And it has Xbox Live system, where you can download free games or buy games online. The downloadable demos are great stuff too. I got about 20 playable demos of 360 games on my HD right now. They're a great way to try out the new games, without playing a penny.
I got to say that in my opinion 360 definitely has the huge edge on games quantity and quality over Wii and PS3, which isn't much of a surprise as it has been on market for over a year now.
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Wii!!! You guys have no idea how much fun the Wii is when you're drunk... amazing for bar night pre-drinking.
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i know where the button to push is on PS3. :aok
fat chicks are easy to please :aok
oh and i'll show her a blue vein to go with her blu-ray :D
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Using Wiimote as a joystick in flightsimulator.
http://pigeond.net/?cat=flightgear&comments=fg-wiimote
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(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g284/Michael75229/fsx_3061_box.jpg)
If Microsoft was smart they would do this:D
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Using Wiimote as a joystick in flightsimulator.
http://pigeond.net/?cat=flightgear&comments=fg-wiimote
:eek: