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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: roach on December 25, 2006, 01:11:56 PM
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The sarcastic "thanks guys for the check 6" from a pilot dropping from the sky with wings absent scenario has occurred, as of late, somewhat frequently and leaves one to ponder a bit on the issue in some depth; when is it appropriate to check 6, or expect a check 6 warning from ones countrymen.
My belief is that most players are courteous and will cheerfully provide a helpful "check 6" warning to a fellow countrymen when noticing that individual is being pursued by an enemy, and especially when it appears he is not aware of the enemy behind.
However, in the classic fur ball, there may be so much chaos and compared to different players varying degrees of situational awareness, if you didn't get a check 6 warning, it might be because no one noticed you needed one. Personally, my own SA is enough to primarily make me aware of dangers around me, and if there is any "extra" SA to spare, I will try to be aware of dangers for others as well.
Furthermore, the 'check 6' isn't always a welcome thing. For example, when engaged with one opponent for a somewhat prolonged duration, an unwelcome 'check 6' may be considered negative if there is, in fact, no additional enemies joining the fight. Without regards to which end of the clock the countrymen is on, he may be distracted by an untimely 'check 6' forcing him to wonder if there is an additional enemy that he has not detected. If you note that your countrymen is obviously taking evasive action, or has been engaged with the enemy for a prolonged duration already, he is likely already aware of that single enemy on his six.
If your fellow countrymen is in pursuit of an enemy ahead of you, and there are no enemies perusing him, then it is also considered in bad form to 'check 6'. After all, he has the dominate position on the clock and might consider your 'check 6' an intentional means to distract him while he looks for an invisible enemy and you move in on his potential kill.
If your fellow countrymen has an enemy behind him over two miles away, and that enemy has obviously not selected a specific target or engaged your fellow countrymen yet, then this too might also be an inappropriate time to 'check 6.'
There can be too much 'check 6', and not enough 'check 6', so it is best to use this helpful aid in moderation where appropriate at your best judgment.
When do you want a 'check 6' warning, and when do you consider it unwelcome?
Do any of you think that the 'check 6' warning is misused, and with intent?
Do some players expect a 'check 6' in somewhat chaotic fur ball situations where others may be simply too consumed with their own imminent danger?
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The ones that really make you raise an eye are when theres 5 friendlies within 1K and your locking onto a con and another con shows up to help his friend and your 5 countymen who happen to be chasing behind you, say nothing nor hit the "ck 6" key when the second con drops in behind you.
Those deserve a "wtf"
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Originally posted by stickpig
The ones that really make you raise an eye are when theres 5 friendlies within 1K and your locking onto a con and another con shows up to help his friend and your 5 countymen who happen to be chasing behind you, say nothing nor hit the "ck 6" key when the second con drops in behind you.
Those deserve a "wtf"
yep, thats the one
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I don't mind getting false check 6 calls which about half are. People are trying to help which is a good thing. I don't hear many complaints about false calls. I do hear the ones about not getting the call. I think better to err on the safe side and give the call. I consider check 6 calls a courtesy, I never expect them, but I do appreciate them. I don't think it's helpful to bash your country for not getting them, you could request rather than bash and have the same effect. I think most people will help if they can or know how to.
Venom
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I have the "check 6" sound volume turned down, and I generally don't look at the text scroll when I am in a dogfight. My philosophy is that if I am unaware of a baddy behind me I deserve everything I get, and the same applies to the other players. As a consequence of this I often miss important information and end up trying to land at a base that was friendly a few minutes ago, but has subsequently been captured and is now bristling with ack. I don't dislike someone for sending out a check 6 - it's a nice thought - but in general I believe that the time spent fiddling with the keyboard, generating a check 6, would be better spent fighting.
I make a distinction between the "check 6" key command and giving advice over the short range radio channel, in which case I have nothing against a steady stream of running commentary. I find that the radio chatter adds to the sense of being in a battle, and it's always nice when someone points out a high 190 diving into the fray, better still when they say that there's a high 190 approaching from the north about 5k up. The more detail the better.
That is another reason I dislike the "check 6" call; there isn't enough detail. I want to know everything about the attacking enemy - I want to know his name, his date of birth, the consistency of his stool, whether he is a leg man or a bosom man, whether he has ever bought stockings and pantyhose for his own personal use, and more importantly whether he likes Marmite or hates it. All of these things. I want to know. And a "check 6" call won't tell me.
All this talk of pantyhose has awakened a beast within me. I will return to this forum later on.
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I don't use the standard check 6 key, I use either range channel or if it's squaddies, the squad channel on vox. Many times my viewpoint is not the same as theirs as they look like the bogey is on them and they are in fact chasing the bogey. No matter, I still call em out when I can but only on vox on either range or squad channel. I have always appeciated the call whether they be false or real.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I give check 6's feely providing I see the con, and if I can cycle thru the 5 friendlies to the one that needs it befor he's shot down. I don't expect check 6's but they are appreciated when I do get them, even the false one's. However, when a friendly whines about not recieving one because he expects them, well, he can forget ever getting one from me in the future.
Lambo
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I love giving and getting Check 6's, and will never say anything about one that's given and not needed.
I will however wonder about motives at times when they're not handed out when there's no apparent reason for not hitting you ' key or what's mapped on your stick...
Had this conversation with one person over ranged:
"Holy shoot bro, why no check 6? You had to see the guy drop in on me!"
His reply?
"Doing that might have made you move and ruined my shot when he chased you."
:huh
Those get me riled up a bit, heh!
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being a player who is frequently without a microphone, i often have to use the check6 function as simply a warning.
taking off behind my squaddy i will check6 to get them to see me.
any form of danger and i throw a check6 just to get thier attention, not always just when the con is dead on thier 6.
often i send a chk6 to squaddy and he with a mic say 'you mean the spitty, or the high p38?' , at which point i cant reply or type fast enough so i just send them another 3 chk6s to make sure they got the message.
sometimes i give a check 6 by mistake to a player 6k away when i was lookin at a guy 1k away. often if i fly near a tank fight i will unwittingly give ck6s to Gvs that i cant see the icons of whilst trying to target a fellow plane.
its not always just a usefull attention grabber or a prank to steal your kill if i give a false ck6, and im sorry for those ones.
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If the situation warrants, ie: a con diving on a friendly, or climbing up to one already engaged, I'll give a check 6. I always try to check the distances in the icons before I throw one out. If it's obvious the friendly is on the con's 6 I don't bother.
I don't expect a 6 call, but do appreciate them even if they are in error, it at least shows that someone out there cares.
What I can't stand is the whiner who cries that no one gave him a check 6. Sorry, but this is our virtual "real world" and you're responsible for your own SA.
If I'm saddling up on someone I'm still checking my 6, even though sometimes the ole taerget fixation creeps in, and for that I'm the only one to blame.
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Who cares if you give or anyone else for that matters a check 6? The other guy should learn how to take care of his own SA by using that Mark I Eyeball better.
ack-ack
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I never expect a check six, but do like getting them, even if mistaken. I do NOT appreciate getting one when I'm on a red guy's six and the check call comes from the guy behind me trying to get me out of the line.
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If you are behind the guy chasing me trying to sneak up on him, without telling me he is doing the same to me, I WILL chew your ear off. If you can plainly see an enemy behind someone, WARN THEM!!! I get killed giving people a check six!!! Do I get upset when I do? No. Do I keep giving check sixes to everyone? Yes.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Who cares if you give or anyone else for that matters a check 6? The other guy should learn how to take care of his own SA by using that Mark I Eyeball better.
ack-ack
What he said.
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I give check 6's on range. I am happy to receive check 6's but I absolutely do not expect them nor do I fault those around me if I get shot by a guy I somehow didn't see and I did not receive a check 6.
I am the person, the only person, who is responsible for me staying alive.
People that get shot down then whine about not getting check 6 are just displaying misplaced anger. They should be mad at themselves(if they feel the need to get mad) and no one else. Then they should proceed on working to improve their SA if they actually rely on check 6's.
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I give check sixes if I see something and am not preoccupied but I firmly believe SA is the responsibility of each individual player. If you can't keep track of what's going on around you you probably shouldn't be there.
I get plenty of check sixes when I've been chasing a guy for a while already or when an enemy and I are headed straight toward one another. I always wonder why they can't tell that I'm the one on the six or that we're merging. Regardless I try to grab a quick look backside.
Still, I can't stand check six radio whiners. Check you own damn six once in a while.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
If you are behind the guy chasing me trying to sneak up on him, without telling me he is doing the same to me, I WILL chew your ear off.
This kind of idiocy pisses me off. If you're too stupid or lazy to look behind you periodically, you deserve to get shot down.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
This kind of idiocy pisses me off. If you're too stupid or lazy to look behind you periodically, you deserve to get shot down.
I dont fly "bubble-birds", I dont have good visibility. They do exactly what I do, approach from below, out of sight. If no one else sees it, no worries, but if you are going to use someone as bait you damned well better tell them! In real life, if a pilot was left out to dry because an allied pilot would rather get a kill then protect a friend, he would be court marshaled if he was LUCKY! In most countries however, he would be shot on landing. If you are letting a friendly get killed just so you can score yourself, in my opinion, you deserve to burn in virtual hell. Its even in several signatures here: "Your wingmans bellybutton is always more important than your own". Dont get me wrong, I dont expect the whole world to toss me a check six, only the guy watching me! If you saw a friendly who was up high, and you saw an enemy sneaking up on him, what would you do? (Think carefully, because this may well change how many people think of you)
I can tell you with absolute certainty, I would tell him "You have a bandit behind you. Hold still, im stalking him" From there I would advise him on any maneuvers that would make it easier to waste the guy behind him, while he is aware of the situation.
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I give em, but rarely do I get em. I also only try to give em in a situation where one person is in the persuit of another, and an enemy drops in. I have given some when there 2-3 enemy on 1 fighter, and then get on range and tell em im joining in.
I must say this though, from when I started which hasnt been all that long ago. I have noticed checks going out a little more often, but as far as that goes thy were almost non existant b4.
Cheers
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
This kind of idiocy pisses me off. If you're too stupid or lazy to look behind you periodically, you deserve to get shot down.
You must be a very angry man....
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With a lot of friendlies around i have real trouble getting the chk6 to stick on the right person, since i need to cycle since i got the right one targeted AND not cycle to far...
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I try and give a “check 6” call as much as possible, If warranted. As far as people getting on the radio and expressing their displeasure about not getting one, So what They are just upset, it happens and thats just the fighter pilot mentality and adrenaline coming out.
I believe in keeping as many friendly’s alive and around me as possible. I’m not the best one v one nor the best at getting out of a fight when I’m out numbered. I do my best but seem to live longer when I have people around to help. If that means someone gets my kill so be it. I need to worry about my gunnery skills at that point. Keep your friends alive and you tend to stay alive too. Give the “Check 6” calls. They are free.
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A few days back we were defending a base.
The hangers go down, so i up from the next closest airfield, and fly in at around 13k. On aproach a sea of red is below me so i think i'll just b&z a few guys and try and escape...
But then i see the goon and dive down. The goon goes down in a million pieces. I look back and see no less than 6 pissed off bish following me. I evade a few and am thinking i might be able to at least reverse the closest 38 when i get a "check six", i think from someone in the tower. I look back again, and there are now about 15 bogies on my tail from 400 to 1k back. I started laughing so hard that i just let go of the controls and waited for the inevetible.
I can't remember who it was but thanks, that was hilarious! :lol
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Dont like check sixs.... Most of the time that I get them I already know someone is on my tail... I just cant be bothered to worry about them cause I am trying to hit the guy in front.... (hey when you get as few kills as me you get all you can)
I will always try to give check6's but it is usually over ranged channel not the check six button
I CANT stand it when I hear someone complain about not getting a Check Six, I usually squelch them on the spot.... Sorry but it bugs me that much....
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I give check 6's on range. I am happy to receive check 6's but I absolutely do not expect them nor do I fault those around me if I get shot by a guy I somehow didn't see and I did not receive a check 6.
I am the person, the only person, who is responsible for me staying alive.
People that get shot down then whine about not getting check 6 are just displaying misplaced anger. They should be mad at themselves(if they feel the need to get mad) and no one else. Then they should proceed on working to improve their SA if they actually rely on check 6's.
What he said too.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
I dont fly "bubble-birds", I dont have good visibility. They do exactly what I do, approach from below, out of sight. If no one else sees it, no worries, but if you are going to use someone as bait you damned well better tell them! In real life, if a pilot was left out to dry because an allied pilot would rather get a kill then protect a friend, he would be court marshaled if he was LUCKY! In most countries however, he would be shot on landing. If you are letting a friendly get killed just so you can score yourself, in my opinion, you deserve to burn in virtual hell. Its even in several signatures here: "Your wingmans bellybutton is always more important than your own". Dont get me wrong, I dont expect the whole world to toss me a check six, only the guy watching me! If you saw a friendly who was up high, and you saw an enemy sneaking up on him, what would you do? (Think carefully, because this may well change how many people think of you)
I can tell you with absolute certainty, I would tell him "You have a bandit behind you. Hold still, im stalking him" From there I would advise him on any maneuvers that would make it easier to waste the guy behind him, while he is aware of the situation.
To be honest reynolds, I don't really care what other people think of me based on whether or not I check six people who are flying along on auto, utterly oblivious to what's going on around them. If you refuse to maintain your SA, using whatever excuse you come up with, I'm certainly not going to do it for you.
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Bretheren...
Let us open the Book of PigStompers...
Chapter Three, Verse One...
1 Brothers, THOU art responsible for thine OWN six. Chastise thy bretheren NOT for not Checking THY six, as when the screen dissolves to the tower, and our MAKER'S table, it was our own skills, destiny, or lack thereof that brought us there.
Be cognicent that ALL of HiTech's children are responsible for their own deeds and misdeeds, and MASSIVE TARGETS that adorn your backside, if this were not so, you could easily steal, kill, covet, and blame someone ELSE for your transgressions, misturns, badly timed merges and attacks on buffs while you are less than 450 mph...spewing (see Commandments #1-16) ephitheths at thy brothers....This is not to pass.
2 Kind is HE who does check his neighbor's six, as he may be noobeth, and not payeth JACK to his situational awareness. Blessings be on those who CHECK 6, as their time in the furball shall be multiplied. Those duly blessed will also, as a matter of human nature, keep a sharper eye on YOUR six in return....but expect it NOT, as country jumpers, noobs, trash-talkers and spies be in thy midsts unbeknownst to you.
3 Beware of the wolf in LA7 clothing, as he may sneak up on thy six at 600 mph unawares before a kind neighbor can warn you. A Check 6 may come too late to save your pieces from being swept into a Sucrets Box and buried in the Tabernacle.
4 Check 6 unto others as you would have them check six unto you, for by a reminder of your kindness, those who may not have previously given a rat's buttocks about your well being just may return the favor in the next furball. But, alas, my bretheren EXPECT it NOT.
Can I get an AMEN?
ROX
Assistant Spiritual Director,
**PigStompers**
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AMEN!
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Amen! I really don't understand the bait thing. I would far rather check six someone on range and say can you take him up to the left (or down to the right - whatever) and I'll try and get him off. An enema with a predictable flight path!
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Originally posted by dhaus
Amen! I really don't understand the bait thing. I would far rather check six someone on range and say can you take him up to the left (or down to the right - whatever) and I'll try and get him off. An enema with a predictable flight path!
My point exactly! And yet people STILL refuse to do even that!
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Originally posted by Casinoman
Can I get an AMEN?
AMEN!
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Originally posted by Casinoman
Bretheren...
Let us open the Book of PigStompers...
Chapter Three, Verse One...
2 Kind is HE who does check his neighbor's six, as he may be noobeth, and not payeth JACK to his situational awareness.
Can I get an AMEN?
ROX
Assistant Spiritual Director,
:aok :lol :rofl :lol :aok
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Originally posted by Warspawn
Had this conversation with one person over ranged:
"Holy shoot bro, why no check 6? You had to see the guy drop in on me!"
His reply?
"Doing that might have made you move and ruined my shot when he chased you."
Let me guess. He was flying an FW-190, right? Failing that, an Me-109? Because, reading that quote, I got this classic image of a cold, dark Hun flier just radiating pure evil, eyeing his next victim through his gunsight.
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Agreee with most of the above. Everyone should always try and cover their own rear and not expect others to. That said, I'll try to give checks but my vox isn't working on my main computer and trying to type out warnings is sometimes impossible if you're engaged in your own battle.
What's the "check six" button? I actually gave one of those text check sixs to someone by accident not long ago but wasn't sure how I did it. I hit the wrong key but was so busy I wasn't sure which one it was and saw a check six, with my name on it, in the text message box.
That may, or may not be something I could do while I'm in a fight.
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Originally posted by lambo31
I give check 6's feely providing I see the con, and if I can cycle thru the 5 friendlies to the one that needs it befor he's shot down. I don't expect check 6's but they are appreciated when I do get them, even the false one's. However, when a friendly whines about not recieving one because he expects them, well, he can forget ever getting one from me in the future.
Lambo
i agree 100% and have my own "do not CK6" list. currently there are
4 names on it. one of the names on that list is a particularly sour fellow
who is constantly berating his fellow countrymen. i can't help it but every
time i see his wings fall off i LMAO. sorry but he deserves it.:D
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i love it when someone calls me out says "i'll remember your name" for not giving thema check six while i have a spit and f4u running me in circles :aok
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I always try and give a check 6 but do not expect the same thing in return, It's ok trying to pretend your the red baron and that your own skill or SA will save you, but there will come a time when you need a check 6, nobodys bigger than this game INMHO and a no check 6 will eventually catch you.
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Originally posted by Reynolds
My point exactly! And yet people STILL refuse to do even that!
The key to it is simple
1- Expect Nothing.
2- Be Greatful For Any Help You Get.
3- Be Part Of THe Soulution Not The Problem.
I can honestly say that I have been pissed off by a lack of teamwork on more than one occasion. But complaining on about it 200 or ranged aint going to do anything more than make you as look silly.
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Originally posted by mussie
The key to it is simple
1- Expect Nothing.
2- Be Greatful For Any Help You Get.
3- Be Part Of THe Soulution Not The Problem.
I can honestly say that I have been pissed off by a lack of teamwork on more than one occasion. But complaining on about it 200 or ranged aint going to do anything more than make you as look silly.
I will admit, I get steamed and give a little "Thanks! You got yourself a kill by watching me die. Burn in hell you little..." but I always give check 6s. I cant count how many times ive died becaue im watching someone else's arse and not my own. But its worth it to hear the "Thanks, just in time, i got him!" over country. The utter lack of teamwork here is frustrating to no end!
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Originally posted by mussie
The key to it is simple
1- Expect Nothing.
2- Be Greatful For Any Help You Get.
3- Be Part Of THe Soulution Not The Problem.
I can honestly say that I have been pissed off by a lack of teamwork on more than one occasion. But complaining on about it 200 or ranged aint going to do anything more than make you as look silly.
Well said.:aok
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Originally posted by xtyger
What's the "check six" button? I actually gave one of those text check sixs to someone by accident not long ago but wasn't sure how I did it. I hit the wrong key but was so busy I wasn't sure which one it was and saw a check six, with my name on it, in the text message box.
That may, or may not be something I could do while I'm in a fight.
bump for the answer.. I also did it by mistake somehow but don't know what the key is.
I normally just type out "chk6 " in the chat box if I'm not in a fight and can.
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Amen brother ROX!!!!!!!!!
1ijac
CO **PigStompers**
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I give em I get em. I NEVER COUNT ON EM!
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Check Six Key: "