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Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Silat on December 26, 2006, 12:35:00 AM: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3637&page=0

Maybe a repost but enlightening none the less..
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: DieAz on December 26, 2006, 01:17:41 AM: what is the point of this? :confused:

( not meaning your post, meant the poll in the link. already know your point, oh great stirrer of debates. ) ;)
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: FLS on December 26, 2006, 04:48:14 AM: Muslim radicals are made by Muslim schools.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: dmf on December 26, 2006, 05:10:29 AM: My guess is other muslim radicals :)
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: AWMac on December 26, 2006, 06:44:27 AM: Dammm trying to remember the last time when a member of the Jewish faith strapped on a bomb and walked into a German bar or on a bus and blew his arse up killing all those around him/her.

Slanted views here.

This thread should die a silent death, it's not needed here.

Mac
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pooh21 on December 26, 2006, 06:56:41 AM: and now for something completely different.

Part of my christmas booty is a basket full of candy. Taking a small sized Chocosanta from lindt out I decided to partake of his Kriskringly chocohead. Only I could not make an impression with a bite. I had to literally bash Santa's Chocolate Skull in with a wrench I luckily had on top of my PC. on a 6" tall Santa his Milkchocolate braincase is almost an inch thick! Nothing gets one into the holiday spirit like bludgeoning old St. Nick in effigy with a wrench.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: AWMac on December 26, 2006, 07:14:28 AM: Today 12/26/2006 I took a pooh....

Mac
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pooh21 on December 26, 2006, 07:36:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by AWMac
Today 12/26/2006 I took a pooh....

Mac

liquid or solid?
Title: what makes silat a communist?
Post by: storch on December 26, 2006, 07:44:13 AM: is your last name rosenberg?
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: AWMac on December 26, 2006, 07:45:33 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Pooh21
liquid or solid?

Ich Pooh bin eine Berliner!!!

:D

Mac
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pooh21 on December 26, 2006, 07:46:29 AM: Classic when the leader of the free world. Calls himself a jelly filled donut.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: AWMac on December 26, 2006, 07:48:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Pooh21
Classic when the leader of the free world. Calls himself a jelly filled donut.

At least he didn't slam his shoe on a table top at the UN...

Ohh and you hit the point... "Leader of the Free World"

~Touche~

Mac
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pooh21 on December 26, 2006, 07:51:50 AM: My favorite is when George Bush Pearl Harbored the Japanese PM:rofl

hmm we seem to have hijacked Silats muslim radical thread.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: AWMac on December 26, 2006, 07:56:38 AM: I bet you're really French Pooh.. err French....right?

Mac
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pooh21 on December 26, 2006, 08:01:10 AM: like hell I am french. A frenchman would have surrendered to a German made chocolate Santa, and not bashed his head in with a wrench and proceed to devour him
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: lazs2 on December 26, 2006, 08:05:15 AM: what probly does it is living in some **** hole of a country with nothing but a 5th century religion and having your hand cut off for picking your nose and your sister stoned to death for showing here mustachioed face. Seeing the guy who runs the place live in palaces.

Course.. he rules with an iron hand so you can't really do much against him so the second you can find a target that you can strike back at... the guy in that palace will probly give you the gun to do it too.

The way they live and their religion make em terrorists. A hard life and a jealous one. Everyone who is not as misserable as they are is the enemy and there really is no one as misserable as they are.

lazs
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Shuckins on December 26, 2006, 08:32:02 AM: "The Prophet...has commanded us...to RULE the WORLD!! Where in all your land is the Glory of ALLAH?! You have become poets...music makers...scientists! WHERE ARE YOUR WARRIORS!!??"
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Gunthr on December 26, 2006, 08:51:49 AM: Quote
Note:
Respondents who said 9/11 was unjustified (1 or 2 on a 5-point scale, where 1 is totally unjustified and 5 is completely justified) are classified as moderates. Respondents who said 9/11 was justified (4 or 5 on the same scale) are classified as radicals. The data for this poll were obtained during 2005-06 from Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. Approximately 1,000 in-home interviews were conducted in each country. The sampling mix of urban and rural areas is the statistical equivalent of surveying each nation’s adult population, with a statistical sampling error rate of +/- 3 percent.

so, respondants who said 911 was justified are considered to be radical?

- theres a big diff between saying 911 was justified, and going out an doing a suicide bombing, big diff. not only that, but most suicide bombing happens in Palestine, and i don't see Palestine listed above. why not?

the article never does answer the question what makes a muslim radical.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: sluggish on December 26, 2006, 08:57:11 AM: I would say that if a person has the balls to admit in a poll that they believe Sept 11 was justified, they're probably a radical...
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Gunthr on December 26, 2006, 09:10:25 AM: in your opinion, what makes a Muslim radical? the article is supposedly "enlightening", but it does not illuminate.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: dmf on December 26, 2006, 09:49:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by sluggish
I would say that if a person has the balls to admit in a poll that they believe Sept 11 was justified, they're probably a radical...

Well gee that narrows it down a bit doesn't it? Now were down to every country that hates us
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Shuffler on December 26, 2006, 10:43:05 AM: Who cares who hates the US.... pull out of those countries and cut the money flow to their out stretched hands.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Hazzer on December 26, 2006, 11:54:40 AM: Err....Christianity is a first century relgion...;) I'll get my coat.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Neubob on December 26, 2006, 01:46:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Hazzer
Err....Christianity is a first century relgion...;) I'll get my coat.

The point that lasz was most likely trying to make was that current world views, social norms and life conditions in parts of the world where Islam predominates have more in common with the time period when Islam was first established than parts where Christianity predominates have with the period when it was first established. Two fine examples of this include treatment of women and tolerance of other religions. In short, however myopic Christianity is, it at least made an attempt at evolution. Islam did not.

Stop telling everyone that you're getting your coat. It was only moderately funny the first time.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: lazs2 on December 26, 2006, 02:05:45 PM: thank you newbob.. that is exactly what I meant. Granted that chrisianity was somewhat more enlightened than the muslim religion even in the 9th century but...

You would be hard pressed to find a christian country that believed in stoning women to death today. Christianity has evolved whereas the barbarism and biggotry of the muslim one has fluourished and remained basicaly rooted in the dark ages.

lazs
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: dmf on December 26, 2006, 02:20:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Shuffler
Who cares who hates the US.... pull out of those countries and cut the money flow to their out stretched hands.

Then we'd be alone LOL
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Bronk on December 26, 2006, 02:24:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by dmf
Then we'd be alone LOL

And this would be different how ?

Bronk
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: dmf on December 26, 2006, 02:38:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
And this would be different how ?

Bronk

You have a point
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Eagler on December 26, 2006, 03:32:01 PM: Ignorance
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Shaky on December 26, 2006, 05:14:56 PM: (http://www.openfire.us/blog/archives/images/2004/reem-raiyshi-koran-thumb.jpg)
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Ball on December 26, 2006, 05:45:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Silat
What Makes a Muslim Radical?

Surfing big waves?
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pooh21 on December 26, 2006, 05:58:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ball
Surfing big waves?
:rofl :rofl :rofl that was the funny
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Silat on December 26, 2006, 05:58:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Gunthr
in your opinion, what makes a Muslim radical? the article is supposedly "enlightening", but it does not illuminate.

I dont know Gunthr. But the graphs seem to show that the differences are slight at best between mods and radicals.
It doesnt appear that only poor muslims are radicals .
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Silat on December 26, 2006, 06:00:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
thank you newbob.. that is exactly what I meant. Granted that chrisianity was somewhat more enlightened than the muslim religion even in the 9th century but...

You would be hard pressed to find a christian country that believed in stoning women to death today. Christianity has evolved whereas the barbarism and biggotry of the muslim one has fluourished and remained basicaly rooted in the dark ages.

lazs

Short version: JudeoChristianity has had its so called enlightenment. Islam has not.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Neubob on December 26, 2006, 06:42:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Neubob
In short, however myopic Christianity is, it at least made an attempt at evolution. Islam did not.

Quote
Originally posted by Silat
Short version: JudeoChristianity has had its so called enlightenment. Islam has not.

Next time, include a citation.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: lazs2 on December 27, 2006, 08:52:07 AM: what would define a radical to me is the belief that anyone who did not swear by your book and do everything in it... that they would need to be put to death.. and that you would not only be justified in killing them but that it would be your duty and that a god would reward you in heaven for doing it.

lazs
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: sluggish on December 27, 2006, 09:48:45 AM: By reading over this thread I noticed something. Isn't it strange how the "enlightened" ones among us feel it necessary to demonstrate their "enlightenment" by pointing out how good and proper and right our enemies are while showing us how wrong and evil we are?
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Neubob on December 27, 2006, 12:44:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by sluggish
I would say that if a person has the balls to admit in a poll that they believe Sept 11 was justified, they're probably a radical...

I've seen non-muslims that have said this.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: sluggish on December 27, 2006, 01:05:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Neubob
I've seen non-muslims that have said this.

Yes. These are the people that I mentioned in the post above yours that think it makes them clever to try to justify our enemies actions while demonizing our responses.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: MrCoffee on December 28, 2006, 02:51:48 AM: If someone invaded your country because your country had wmd, then turns out it didnt. Wouldnt you be pissed?
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: bj229r on December 28, 2006, 05:19:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by AWMac
Today 12/26/2006 I took a pooh....

Mac

LOL, I remember when I was young enough that that wasn't a notable event in my day:rofl
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2006, 06:03:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by MrCoffee
If someone invaded your country because your country had wmd, then turns out it didnt. Wouldnt you be pissed?

so that's what they are fighting about?
or is it maybe a hatred that has always been there let loose when the cheekbones that kept all the other cheekboness under control was removed from power....

but I do believe there were "radical muslims" way before Iraq 03 ....
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Pei on December 28, 2006, 06:11:46 AM: So how many of you bothered to read the article all the way through?
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: storch on December 28, 2006, 07:11:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Pei
So how many of you bothered to read the article all the way through?
I did read it and come away with the same opinion I maintain about polls in general, who cares.

The problem is the religion itself.

I especially got a kick out of the comment "almost all moslems believe the west should show more respect for islam" that is canned answer. moslems are liars, if they are deceiving or killing you in order to advance the muhammadist cause they do no wrong in the eyes of their society or their spiritual leaders.

the followers of that religion deserve no respect and neither does their religion because since it's inception they have shown none to anyone. what they deserve is exactly what they dish out.

respect will be returned when respect is shown. if fact I think we show far more respect to them than they do to us. their cowardly terrorists run and hide in mosques often sniping our forces from mosques. for a long time our forces simply were not allowed to return fire out of respect. currently a unit that comes under fire from a mosque must first obtain permission before taking out the vermin hiding in the mosque.

the problem is not an easy one to solve. the nature of mohammadism is to be conflictive. they are a people at odds with themselves first, they are born into strife and it goes down hill from there. to one born into those conditions and belief systems conflict with your neighboring country or the world in general is no problem, it's a matter of course. in my opinion what they need isn't respect, what they need is Jesus but they don't want Jesus because they belong to satan.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: lazs2 on December 28, 2006, 08:03:15 AM: mr coffee... if my country didn't have the weapons and my leader thumbed his nose at the world until my country got invaded then I would be angry at my leaders and be glad they were gone. If the leader happened to be an iron fisted tyrant who ruled by terror and the "invaders" simply allowed me to vote for whoever I wanted after they threw him out...

I would not be at all angry.... Heck... I would be grateful... but then, that's just me.

lazs
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Sikboy on December 28, 2006, 10:07:56 AM: A radical muslim is one that can bust back to back inverted 540's.

-Sik
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Bronk on December 28, 2006, 10:15:33 AM: Quote
Originally posted by MrCoffee
If someone invaded your country because your country had wmd, then turns out it didnt. Wouldnt you be pissed?

If a country invaded and ousted the guy who was killing/oppressing my sect of religion... wouldn't I be happy?

Bronk
Title: Re: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: Kurt on December 28, 2006, 10:40:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Silat
What Makes a Muslim Radical?

Mostly, you can spot a totally 'Rad' Muslim by his wicked cool freestyle BMX moves and flashy shoes.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: blutic on December 28, 2006, 08:12:02 PM: You would be hard pressed to find a christian country that believed in stoning women to death today. Christianity has evolved whereas the barbarism and biggotry of the muslim one has fluourished and remained basicaly rooted in the dark ages.

I dont know. I think our secular laws prohibit "unnamed fundalmentalist" from stoning women. I guess we could hide our heads in the sand and say Christianity has no room for biggotry, but lets get real.
Title: What Makes a Muslim Radical?
Post by: lazs2 on December 29, 2006, 08:50:54 AM: blu.. what are laws but the will of the people? if the christians allowed the passing of laws that prohibited them from stoning people in the streets then it can be said that the religion has evolved.

On the other hand... if legions of christians strap bombs to their bodies and blow up hundreds of innocent people in a market place until the law is removed.. then the religion and it's people have not evolved.

lazs