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Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 02:27:22 PM

Before everyone tells me that this has been discussed before, and I'm sure it has, I couldn't search for it because "LA7" is under the minimum search length. Like "P51" "F4U" etc etc.

If anyone can just summarize what I missed from the past, and remind me of the reason that I'm doubtless completely wrong, and forgive me for bringing up what is probably an old subject, I'll appreciate it and maybe this will be a very short thread.

1. I understand that HiTech is a great guy that has nothing but everyone's ability to reach nirvana at heart.
2. I understand that all plane stats are researched diligently and that no error could possibly have been allowed to stand.
3. I understand that most of you experts have long since dealt with this and don't need any changes.
4. I know that speed isn't always good, and a great plane can be your downfall etc etc. Up is down, I know.

I don't know how to say this because everyone is going to insist that such and such plane, flown right, can beat an LA anyday etc., which I know is true.

I just think the LA7 is much more prominent in AH than it ever was in WWII. Sometimes it seems like it's 1/2 LA's and 1/2 everything else in the sky. Even if they're not overmodeled, surely late production or limited production or something prevented them from being 1/2 the fighters in the sky. I know that HTC has no desire to control the proportion of each fighter etc, but to some extent that's what we do with the 262, and such silly planes as the Ta152 and Spit 14. Unperk either of those and see if everyone flies them like they do the LA.

Basically, what I'm saying is that having 20 LA's around all the time because they're so damn good is annoying. I see people all the time go up in one just to shut the "LA dweebs" down. I live with them just like you all do, I just wish it wasn't us against the LA's all the time.

All I'm saying is PERK IT!, I'd rather fight Ta152's and Spit 14's all day long. C Hogs, too for that matter. :cry And if not that, give us an LA Factory we can bomb to shut them down.

By the way HTC, thanks for the "new" terrains. It's been nice lately having a change, first time I'd seen the night fighting setup on Christmas Eve. Never found Santa, but loved the setup.

Okay, you can start throwing things now...

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Airscrew on December 27, 2006, 02:29:54 PM

my answer for the LA7 is EWA and MWA :D

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Oleg on December 27, 2006, 02:43:31 PM

Only problem with La7 is 3x20mm gun package, it was more or less rare in RL.

Title: Re: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 02:48:58 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER


Okay, you can start throwing things now...

Ok you asked for it.

 HT has it this way to create as much BBS whine as possible. :D





Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: LePaul on December 27, 2006, 02:57:40 PM

You've said it well.  If the La7 was this great in real life, you'd think we'd know of its great fame.  

One day, here at the bank, Witko and I drew all kinds of neat things on the whiteboard, trying to figure out how this amazing E-fighter can do things.  What stumps us reminds me of the old "one train leaves point a and goes to point B.  Train 2 leaves point b and goes to point a" yada yada.  In short, we've both had situations were we are at 15k or more in a P-51D, flying straight and level at 325mph.  An La7 comes directly at us, passes us.  We maintain course and speed.  Yet, the La7 does a complete 180, gains on and is within 600 ft of us in no time.  How can it do that, without burning up energy??  We're stumped, we've graphed it to the ridicule of coworkers...but they're dorks anyway cuz they play World of War  :p

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 02:59:49 PM

I hated to fly the LA-7 but I started... It was great fun to catch runners in it :)

Now I fly the 152 as my main ride

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:00:47 PM

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Originally posted by LePaul
You've said it well.  If the La7 was this great in real life, you'd think we'd know of its great fame.  

One day, here at the bank, Witko and I drew all kinds of neat things on the whiteboard, trying to figure out how this amazing E-fighter can do things.  What stumps us reminds me of the old "one train leaves point a and goes to point B.  Train 2 leaves point b and goes to point a" yada yada.  In short, we've both had situations were we are at 15k or more in a P-51D, flying straight and level at 325mph.  An La7 comes directly at us, passes us.  We maintain course and speed.  Yet, the La7 does a complete 180, gains on and is within 600 ft of us in no time.  How can it do that, without burning up energy??  We're stumped, we've graphed it to the ridicule of coworkers...but they're dorks anyway cuz they play World of War  :p

SINNER (shaking) You.. mean.... maybe I'm NOT crazy.....? Begins to laugh maniacally...

Thanks LePaul.... It's just nice to know there really are pink elephants in the room.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 03:00:52 PM

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Originally posted by LePaul
You've said it well.  If the La7 was this great in real life, you'd think we'd know of its great fame.  

One day, here at the bank, Witko and I drew all kinds of neat things on the whiteboard, trying to figure out how this amazing E-fighter can do things.  What stumps us reminds me of the old "one train leaves point a and goes to point B.  Train 2 leaves point b and goes to point a" yada yada.  In short, we've both had situations were we are at 15k or more in a P-51D, flying straight and level at 325mph.  An La7 comes directly at us, passes us.  We maintain course and speed.  Yet, the La7 does a complete 180, gains on and is within 600 ft of us in no time.  How can it do that, without burning up energy??  We're stumped, we've graphed it to the ridicule of coworkers...but they're dorks anyway cuz they play World of War  :p

Film or I call BS .



Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:02:15 PM

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Originally posted by mussie
I hated to fly the LA-7 but I started... It was great fun to catch runners in it :)

Now I fly the 152 as my main ride

That's kind of my point. I can fly it and do probably better than in any other plane. But I don't WANT to fly it and I hate sometimes feeling like I have little choice.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
Film or I call BS .



Bronk

You must not have much to do today Bronk. I'm a whiner and LePaul is BS.

Do you have an opinion on this, other than everyone discussing it are a bunch of idiots?

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 03:12:35 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER
You must not have much to do today Bronk. I'm a whiner and LePaul is BS.

Do you have an opinion on this, other than everyone discussing it are a bunch of idiots?

Slow down big guy.

I put that smiley there for a reason. Was suppose to be light hearted poke not a stab in the back.

As for lepaul yup unless I see film I call bs.

Way to many claims of "This is what happened." with no proof.
You believe everthing people post or just with people who agree with you?

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But I don't WANT to fly it and I hate sometimes feeling like I have little choice.

This is bs also you always have a choice. Learn a new AC learn how to fight the Lala.  I'm no uber sim pilot and I kill them more than they kill me.
So if I can do it anyone can.


Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:16:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
Slow down big guy.

I put that smiley there for a reason. Was suppose to be light hearted poke not a stab in the back.

As for lepaul yup unless I see film I call bs.

Way to many claims of "This is what happened." with no proof.
You believe everthing people post or just with people who agree with you?

 

This is bs also you always have a choice. Learn a new AC learn how to fight the Lala.  I'm no uber sim pilot and I kill them more than they kill me.
So if I can do it anyone can.


Bronk

1. If you think it's B.S. why are so active in monitoring it and posting on it? You can uncheck the Email notification and go back to whatever you were doing before.
2. Whether or not you can kill them isn't the point of the post, but it is really helpful that you suggested that.

I think what you've suggested falls under the category of "any plane flown such and such can defeat an LA", which I said I already knew someone would say, but thanks for going ahead and saying it anyway.

Thanks for your insight.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 03:27:35 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER
1. If you think it's B.S. why are so active in monitoring it and posting on it? You can uncheck the Email notification and go back to whatever you were doing before.

Because there is nothing better on TV right now. Also what i do with my time is just that, MY time thank you.

2. Whether or not you can kill them isn't the point of the post, but it is really helpful that you suggested that.

 What is the point? Perk them because YOU cant kill them? What please explain.

I think what you've suggested falls under the category of "any plane flown such and such can defeat an LA", which I said I already knew someone would say, but thanks for going ahead and saying it anyway.

 Been said before but it needs repeating. FEAR THE PILOT NOT THE PLANE!!!


Thanks for your insight.

Your welcome. :D



Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:33:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
Been said before but it needs repeating. FEAR THE PILOT NOT THE PLANE!!!


Thanks for your insight.

Your welcome. :D



Bronk [/B]

The point is that even if LA7's aren't over modeled, they're certainly over represented, and whether or not that's an issue.

I never said I can't kill them, I kill them all the time, they're usually over confident, but that has no bearing on the fact that there are more of them than any other plane flying, in my opinion, and they weren't that prevalent in WWII.

I'm suggesting that they are more dangerous than other planes that are perked, such as the Ta152 etc. I'm assuming that those planes are perked, to limit their numbers in the game. I'm also suggesting that this might make a more accurate simulation of WWII if the LA7's were similarly perked.

I think if you post 3 more you'll break 1700 posts!

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Apeking on December 27, 2006, 03:45:11 PM

"I'm suggesting that they are more dangerous that other planes that are perked, such as the Ta152 etc."

The Ta152 isn't perked. It was perked until a few months ago, but the powers that decided to unperk it. (Checks) And it's still unperked.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:48:08 PM

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Originally posted by Apeking
"I'm suggesting that they are more dangerous that other planes that are perked, such as the Ta152 etc."

Hang on a sec, the Ta152 isn't perked. It was perked until a few months ago, but the powers that decided to unperk it. (Checks) And it's still unperked.

I stand corrected.

Now if they'll just decide to perk the LA.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 27, 2006, 03:49:18 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
Your welcome. :D



Bronk

i (choke) agree 100% Bronk!!


perk the la7 because its over represented?

then the p51 will be over repped!!

perk it.

then the typhoon

perk it.

then the f4u s

perk it.

then the----and then the----and what about the----

:noid


there will always be an uber plane that everyone will want to fly.

eliminate or perk it.    another will take its place.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 03:52:10 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER
The point is that even if LA7's aren't over modeled, they're certainly over represented, and whether or not that's an issue.

I never said I can't kill them, I kill them all the time, they're usually over confident, but that has no bearing on the fact that there are more of them than any other plane flying, in my opinion, and they weren't that prevalent in WWII.

I'm suggesting that they are more dangerous than other planes that are perked, such as the Ta152 etc. I'm assuming that those planes are perked, to limit their numbers in the game. I'm also suggesting that this might make a more accurate simulation of WWII if the LA7's were similarly perked.

I think if you post 3 more you'll break 1700 posts!

Well what happens if HT perks it?

You'll start seeing a ton of "HO-N-GO" tiffies.
 What then? Perk the tiffie because it's over used?
Ect...ect..ect..
Till we are left flying A6m2's and Hurricane MK I's .
I know Schatzi might be pleased with this but not me.

And It's 1 more post .
:furious :furious :furious :D :D :D

Bronk

Ps the Ta is free now.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:52:51 PM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
i (choke) agree 100% Bronk!!


perk the la7 because its over represented?....

then the f4u s

perk it.

then the----and then the----and what about the----

:noid

Obviously this can go on to a ridiculous conclusion. The 51 was very prevalent, and f4u's etc. I'm not suggesting that there is a problem with the other planes. I just think when half of every furball is LA7's and they weren't a major factor in WWII, it is a little "inaccurate" if that term can be applied to AH.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 27, 2006, 03:54:47 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER
The point is that even if LA7's aren't over modeled, they're certainly over represented, and whether or not that's an issue.

I never said I can't kill them, I kill them all the time, they're usually over confident, but that has no bearing on the fact that there are more of them than any other plane flying, in my opinion, and they weren't that prevalent in WWII.

I'm suggesting that they are more dangerous than other planes that are perked, such as the Ta152 etc. I'm assuming that those planes are perked, to limit their numbers in the game. I'm also suggesting that this might make a more accurate simulation of WWII if the LA7's were similarly perked.

I think if you post 3 more you'll break 1700 posts!

i do believe that the russians produced more la7 s than any other russian plane.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 03:55:59 PM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
i (choke) agree 100% Bronk!!


perk the la7 because its over represented?

then the p51 will be over repped!!

perk it.

then the typhoon

perk it.

then the f4u s

perk it.

then the----and then the----and what about the----

:noid


there will always be an uber plane that everyone will want to fly.

eliminate or perk it.    another will take its place.

:noid :noid :noid :noid

Ok I need a shower now. I feel violated in some way.

:aok

Seriously boner we are probably not that far off on other stuff. The BB doesn't convey intent well.


Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 03:57:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
Well what happens if HT perks it?

You'll start seeing a ton of "HO-N-GO" tiffies.
 What then? Perk the tiffie because it's over used?
Ect...ect..ect..
Till we are left flying A6m2's and Hurricane MK I's .
I know Schatzi might be pleased with this but not me.

And It's 1 more post .
:furious :furious :furious :D :D :D

Bronk

Ps the Ta is free now.

One, I don't see 100's of Ta152's now that they're UNPERKED, you'd think they'd have made a big dent on the LA crowd, since they were so superior they had to be perked, or was that an oversight? Oh no, surely not! You can feel the palpable fear now that they're free to roam the sky. And what if I can't kill them either? Oh no!

I'll take my chances with the typhys, they only turn good at high speed, not all speeds, all alts etc.

If you guys are right, then the fact that we ever perked any plane, should have led to them all being perked.

And come on Bronk, you can do that one more!

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 03:57:42 PM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
i do believe that the russians produced more la7 s than any other russian plane.

To my knowledge, the most produced plane is the Po-2, followed by the Il2/Il10 family.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 27, 2006, 03:58:31 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
:noid :noid :noid :noid

Ok I need a shower now. I feel violated in some way.

:aok

Seriously boner we are probably not that far off on other stuff. The BB doesn't convey intent well.


Bronk

lmfao!!! okay Bronk!!

don,t forget to wash behind your ears!!


 cya

Boner

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 04:02:06 PM

The only thing I might concede is the 3 gun La7 should have a light perk.

So you don't have a problem with tiffs but a La's do hmm.

I'd bet after a few go around with Kermit you'd want tiffs perked also.



Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 04:05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
The only thing I might concede is the 3 gun La7 should have a light perk.

So you don't have a problem with tiffs but a La's do hmm.

I'd bet after a few go around with Kermit you'd want tiffs perked also.



Bronk

I have found someone who is awesome in every plane. I completely agree that it's the pilot not the plane.
I'm just talking about the tons of LA's everywhere.

Greebo - F6F
Yucca - P47
Fencer - P51
shreck - Ki84
WingZero - Niki
KillnU - P38

on and on. I haven't met Kermit, but I'm sure he's awesome. But surely he doesn't fly EVERY Tiffie in the sky right?

And by the way, congrats on your SEVENTEEN HUNDREDTH POST!

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 04:14:54 PM

1702 dang it .:p

Look the reason is so noobs actually have a chance at getting kills. Just like the Mk XVI.

Some make the transition out to other AC some don't.

Pity those who don't but don't begrudge a noob of learning in an easy ac.

Seriously what do you think of perking just the 3 gun version ?




Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 04:24:24 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
1702 dang it .:p

Look the reason is so noobs actually have a chance at getting kills. Just like the Mk XVI.

Some make the transition out to other AC some don't.

Pity those who don't but don't begrudge a noob of learning in an easy ac.

Seriously what do you think of perking just the 3 gun version ?




Bronk

I do agree that newbies need a fighting chance. For what it's worth I didn't ever fly it, but I understand why they would. I never seem to notice Spit 16's being all that "uber" but I know they're pretty good. I guess it just frustrates me when LA's seem to have no weakness and they're everwhere.  

I think perking the 3 gun is a good idea. It couldn't hurt.

I know this simulator isn't even meant to be strictly accurate. Obviously we're kidding ourselves that this is any real reflection of the war. I agree with those that say that too many "fixes" screws everything up. I just feel like I'm fighting about 200 miles behind russian lines.

I don't know that perking them would fix it, I just wish there was a way to have similar balance with the LA's like we do with all the others. When I see a 109 and I'm in a 51, I know he thinks his plane is better, and I think mine is. If he's good, he'll cream me, if not, I'll kill him, and that's how it should be.

But when I see an LA, I know he'll outrun, climb, turn, and dive me. All I can hope for is that he doesn't have 3 buddies also in LA's and that I can just outfly him, in spite of his advantages. I mean it's nice the way all the pro and con's work out on the other planes. You use your strengths against his weaknesses, and he does the same to you. But with LA's it's hard to find any.

I know that's a whine, but I just wish it fit in better with the overall plane set, without sacrificing too much in the way of accuracy.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 04:26:02 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER

I'm just talking about the tons of LA's everywhere.
 

Never let perception fool you.

Sometimes the LA 7 just SEEMS to be everywhere, but in truth it´s not more numerous than some other planes.

In the current tour, La7 has approximately 26000 kills, which is less than Spit XVI, P51D and N1K2.

Actually, the 26000 kills amount to just 7% of all fighter kills. And with a K/D rate of 1.23 it is only ranking 21st on the list of most dangerous fighters.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 04:30:42 PM

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Originally posted by Lusche
Never let perception fool you.

Sometimes the LA 7 just SEEMS to be everywhere, but in truth it´s not more numerous than some other planes.

In the current tour, La7 has approximately 26000 kills, which is less than Spit XVI, P51D and N1K2.

Actually, the 26000 kills amount to just 7% of all fighter kills. And with a K/D rate of 1.23 it is only ranking 21st on the list of most dangerous fighters.

That is interesting. I wonder how much of that is due to the fact that so many new pilots fly them? Maybe the 26000 kills are the guys that know how to fly. Those stats are definitely worth knowing but they don't tell you how many of them are flying around, which is my major complaint. It probably accounts for why I kill any of them, the fact that newbs fly them. I doubt I could ever beat a good pilot who was in an LA.

I appreciate that info though, I didn't know that.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Vudak on December 27, 2006, 04:31:09 PM

Every time I poke my head in the General Forums, nothing's ever changed :D

Grab a Corsair, they'll eat 'em for breakfast and you'll make good perks.  Problem solved.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SINNER on December 27, 2006, 04:33:30 PM

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Originally posted by Vudak
Every time I poke my head in the General Forums, nothing's ever changed :D

Grab a Corsair, they'll eat 'em for breakfast and you'll make good perks.  Problem solved.

If I could search for LA7, I could just read someone else getting pounded over this and not look like such a whiner, but then again, that's a whine too huh?

WHY CAN'T I SEARCH FOR LA7?  Google can.  :cry

And speaking of corsair's, I left out AKDogg - F4U1 in my list of disparate plane aces.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bronk on December 27, 2006, 04:33:33 PM

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Originally posted by Vudak
Every time I poke my head in the General Forums, nothing's ever changed :D

Grab a Corsair, they'll eat 'em for breakfast and you'll make good perks.  Problem solved.

I prefer a spit IX .

But I'm a spit dweeb . :p



Bronk

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 04:44:02 PM

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hated to fly the LA-7 but I started... It was great fun to catch runners in it

I have heard several people say this.  Personally  I know this to be a lame arsed cop out of an excuse for the speaker/typer to get in a LA7.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 04:48:25 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER
Those stats are definitely worth knowing but they don't tell you how many of them are flying around,  

Best way to assess "usage" of a fighter is simply to add kills & deaths. A fighter is usually either a killer or a vicitim.
For the La7, the numbers do not change much, the "usage" would be about 6%

Plane            Kills  Deaths   K/D   "Usage"
P-51D         30383 28498 1.07 58881  
Spitfire Mk XVI 28123 25946 1.08 54069  
N1K2         30475 23318 1.31 53793  
La-7         26047 21259 1.23 47306  
P-38L         11868 16237 0.73 28105  
F6F-5         12478 14285 0.87 26763  
Typhoon IB 15990 10255 1.56 26245  
Hurricane Mk IIC 15625 9200 1.70 24825  
SeaFire         11546 13256 0.87 24802  
Bf 110G-2 11038 13735 0.80 24773  
Spitfire Mk VIII  9368 11199 0.84 20567  
Spitfire Mk IX   10519 9454 1.11 19973

On a personal note, the La7 was the plane I did choose to begin my AH2 career with. It was the right plane for me at that time to have at least a chance to get a kill and to get home in an arnea full of experienced pilots.  Its speed and maneuverabiltiy made it perfect for learning the basics of air combat & gameplay in the MA.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: AKDogg on December 27, 2006, 04:50:03 PM

I find the la7 not to be a problem in the MA.  The plane I think is the problem is the hurri IIC.  The plane is way to manuevable at high speeds.  I had 1 the other night stay with me doing a spiral dive at over 450mph all the way down to the earth leveling and yet stay with me for a long time.  Its only the IIC that I find can do this.  Wings should come off at those speeds doing those manevs on the hurri pulling over 7g's.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 04:55:32 PM

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Originally posted by SINNER

WHY CAN'T I SEARCH FOR LA7?  Google can.  :cry

In many of the longer La-7 threads, the words LaLa and/or GayLa do appear sooner or later ;)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: LePaul on December 27, 2006, 05:07:48 PM

Ugh, 380+ films to leaf thru

Or, even better, hit the Training Room and try it.  I'm not currently a subscriber so all I can do is offline play or H2H

No BS, just grab two people and see for yourself....a slow, low energy durn mind ya, not a 9G bender :)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 05:29:26 PM

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I have heard several people say this.  Personally  I know this to be a lame arsed cop out of an excuse for the speaker/typer to get in a LA7.

Lame arse excuse....

Check my stats, You will see me in Hurri-1's Spitty-1 TBM's FM2's

Personally I think you comment is a lame arse....  Now go bite a pillow



EDIT: I just love the way you know my comment is an excuse.... How the F*&(& could you know anything about what I say when  you dont know me....

Man that gives my the chits

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 27, 2006, 05:34:03 PM

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Originally posted by Lusche
To my knowledge, the most produced plane is the Po-2, followed by the Il2/Il10 family.

the petlyakov pe-2 was a light bomber. some were converted to night fighters. they made about 11,000 of those planes

il2 s  were more of a ground attack plane, as anyone who has flown one in here can tell ya!!  they made about 35,000 of those.

for true fighters?

the la7?  they made about 5500 of them

i was wrong about the lala being the most produced "plane" by the russians.

i stand (and sit) corrected!!



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for a little perspective-----aprox. 9000 japanese zeros were made in the whole war.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 05:44:14 PM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
the petlyakov pe-2 was a light bomber.

Well, I was mentioning the Po-2, not The Pe-2. The Po-2 (earlier name was U-2) was first built as a training plane, but was also used in combat during WW2, most notably as a light night attack plane used by the female-only 588th Night Bomber Regiment - the infamous Night Witches. Other uses were crop dusting, light transport, recon and many more.

It seems that at least some 40,000 Po-2/U-2 were built

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: BaldEagl on December 27, 2006, 05:48:14 PM

I've never really noticed that many LA-7's.  I usally fly a Spit XVI and don't have any trouble with LA's.  Now if we could perk those damn Nik's...

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 27, 2006, 06:07:06 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
Well, I was mentioning the Po-2, not The Pe-2. The Po-2 (earlier name was U-2) was first built as a training plane, but was also used in combat during WW2, most notably as a light night attack plane used by the female-only 588th Night Bomber Regiment - the infamous Night Witches. Other uses were crop dusting, light transport, recon and many more.

It seems that at least some 40,000 Po-2/U-2 were built

po2 was a bi-plane!!!   40,000 built?--i hope so--they started building them in the 20s and didn,t stop until the 50s!!

night witches seemed like a cool bunch though---bomber regiments.



                                                 i had to look this up!!  lol,
                                                                                             
                                                                                         Boner


i am however very impressed with your knowledge of that plane!!:O

but i thought this discussion was on planes built and flown DURING ww2.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 06:26:35 PM

Po2 was built and flown during WW2 ;)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 27, 2006, 06:32:50 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
Po2 was built and flown during WW2 ;)

yeah i know lusche. but not all 40k of them!!

i don,t wanna argue about it with ya, but i think we are talking production

of relevent fighters during ww2.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 07:08:32 PM

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Originally posted by mussie
Lame arse excuse....

Check my stats, You will see me in Hurri-1's Spitty-1 TBM's FM2's

Personally I think you comment is a lame arse....  Now go bite a pillow



EDIT: I just love the way you know my comment is an excuse.... How the F*&(& could you know anything about what I say when  you dont know me....

Man that gives my the chits

Blah blah blah .. sniffle cry whine. I don't care what you fly, just have the courage to not invent lame excuse to do so.  How do I know your comment is an excuse?  Because the very same drones that spout your excuse are the guys I end up chasing as they run away. Like I said, I don't care what you fly, 99% of la7's are easy kills because the pilots of them most often don't have the first clue about throttle management and ACM. When I see an LA7 I practically get Pavlovian

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Krusty on December 27, 2006, 07:08:34 PM

You should probably only use kills, not kills-to-deaths, to rank the planes. Why? Well the majority of newbies gravitate toward the LA7, for example. Being new they will all die 90% of their sorties. However, before they die they will give the LA7 more kills than any other plane (hypothetically).

So the fact that folks ditch all the time, run out of gas, or die because they fly stupid, seems to give it a low K:D, but that's not really the point. Put one into a furball and it will most likely get the most kills and be the last man standing.

Also please keep in mind the LA7 was the HIGHEST killing plane since it was introduced. That's many many many years. N1k2 was second for many many many years. Only with the introduction of the Spit16 did it have a competitor. Every other plane was significantly behind the top3.

The only reason this may have changed recently is the splitting of the arenas, the ENY adjustments, and ENY limitation rule changes.

The La7 was the top killer in AH since... forever. Keep that in mind. It still is the top killer, but recent changes monkeyed with the stats/plane usage.

EDIT: And the field ack increase. No longer can a lone LA-7 pilot vulch as many kills with the thick wall of ack. Nor can it pork the field single-handedly, which is why the P51 with its 2k bombs and rockets has had much increased numbers, methinks.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 07:19:13 PM

Quote

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Blah blah blah .. sniffle cry whine. I don't care what you fly, just have the courage to not invent lame excuse to do so.  How do I know your comment is an excuse?  Because the very same drones that spout your excuse are the guys I end up chasing as they run away. Like I said, I don't care what you fly, 99% of la7's are easy kills because the pilots of them most often don't have the first clue about throttle management and ACM. When I see an LA7 I practically get Pavlovian

Well buddy if you see the cpid mussie in the MA feel free to call me out for a fight....

Love a good duel....

Hurri-1's if you will

Have a nice day

EDIT: And it aint an excuse mate... I dont like the LA-7, But I do have great fun chassing runners in it....

And when I say I dont like it I mean I dont like the way it handles, nor do I like its cannons I have scored to many pings on ppl which resulted in no noticable damage....

BTW what is you CPID

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: eh on December 27, 2006, 07:40:23 PM

What do you call a late war fighter with:

1. a terrible cockpit view
2. ammo with lousy ballistics
3. hilariously lightweight ordinance
4. lousy gas mileage
5. poor performance above 15 - 20k
6. poor dog fighting characteristics?
?????

An La-7.

Yah. Perk it. And while you are at it, perk every late war American ride. They are all better than the La-7 in most if not all of those characteristics. All the La7 has going for it is speed, and it needs it.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 07:46:47 PM

Quote

Originally posted by eh
What do you call a late war fighter with:

1. a terrible cockpit view
2. ammo with lousy ballistics
3. hilariously lightweight ordinance
4. lousy gas mileage
5. poor performance above 15 - 20k
6. poor dog fighting characteristics?
?????

An La-7.

 

While I would reluctantly agree to most points mentoined , I have to say that #6 is absolutely not true.
People vastly underestimate the dogfighting capabilties of the La7. It turns much better than most people think. Add to this the tremendous power, and you have a plane well able to get into a close brawl. Of course, you have to know to handle your throttle...

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Bubbajj on December 27, 2006, 07:47:16 PM

I've never had any luck with the La La but I'm also a knife fighter which may not play to it's strengths. I've shot down a lot of La's in an FM2. Since it was brought up, whats so great about a TA 152?? Never noticed that they were that fast or maneuverable. I've never seen one last long in a dogfight. What's the big deal? I really dislike Yucca and Greebo in their freeking F6s and hogs by the way.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 07:53:03 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Bubbajj
I've never had any luck with the La La but I'm also a knife fighter which may not play to it's strengths. I've shot down a lot of La's in an FM2. Since it was brought up, whats so great about a TA 152?? Never noticed that they were that fast or maneuverable. I've never seen one last long in a dogfight. What's the big deal? I really dislike Yucca and Greebo in their freeking F6s and hogs by the way.

I find that the TA can be brilliant at treetop level...  I had a blast fighting Yukon in his 38G the other day... (yeah he kicked my butt but it was not about winning it was about the fight)

Then there was the conga line following me as I dove into some valleys on one of the new maps... I managed to reverse on em and give em a scare....

You gotta work real hard to stop that right wing from stalling when the knife fight gets tight, but If you can keep it togeather you will surprise a few ppl..



EDIT: as for the FM2, I have scored more kills in that plane than any other, (yeah I have a tally of all my kills for all tours)  but I just lost my taste for it some where along the way...

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 07:54:48 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Bubbajj
I've never had any luck with the La La but I'm also a knife fighter which may not play to it's strengths. I've shot down a lot of La's in an FM2. Since it was brought up, whats so great about a TA 152?? Never noticed that they were that fast or maneuverable. I've never seen one last long in a dogfight. What's the big deal? I really dislike Yucca and Greebo in their freeking F6s and hogs by the way.

Best 152 altitude is at about 35K and above (service ceiling was around 50K). In MAs, it is more or less a fish out of water most of the time. But it has massive firepower, though.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 07:58:58 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
Best 152 altitude is at about 35K and above (service ceiling was around 50K). In MAs, it is more or less a fish out of water most of the time. But it has massive firepower, though.

I have to disagree Lusche....

I have some films of me knife fighting in the 152 I will post later (I am at work at the moment)...

IMO Its a dam good bird....

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 27, 2006, 08:20:50 PM

Quote

Originally posted by mussie
I have to disagree Lusche....

I have some films of me knife fighting in the 152 I will post later (I am at work at the moment)...

IMO Its a dam good bird....

Hehe, I do know YOU (and some other dam good pilots) can do it

But still it has less power (accel, climb), less top speed, slower roll rate that the D-9. The turn rate is a bit better, but still dismal when compared to most other planes. I would even dare to say it´s a neutered D9 down low . ;)
Add to that some nasty behavior at slow speeds - I would never recommend a 152 for low level fighting. You really have to be a very good pilot to prevail in a knife fight.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 08:28:24 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
Hehe, I do know YOU (and some other dam good pilots) can do it

But still it has less power (accel, climb), less top speed, slower roll rate that the D-9. The turn rate is a bit better, but still dismal when compared to most other planes. I would even dare to say it´s a neutered D9 down low . ;)
Add to that some nasty behavior at slow speeds - I would never recommend a 152 for low level fighting. You really have to be a very good pilot to prevail in a knife fight.

Thanks for the compliment



I got another 7 or so hours here at work. But I will post those films in their unedited AH format tonight. will put them in the Films forum....

Later

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: hubsonfire on December 27, 2006, 08:35:15 PM

Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 08:44:23 PM

Quote

Originally posted by mussie
Well buddy if you see the cpid mussie in the MA feel free to call me out for a fight....


BTW what is you CPID

*sigh*  the old "Let's duel, I are  l33t and you are teh suck."
I much prefer the chaos of the MA.  If I win, are you going to say I'm right?  What's my motivation for dueling?  Beating you won't mean I'm right, or a better pilot and I'm not into chest thumping much. I'll duel ya in any plane you want... when I'm in the mood for the DA, the plane isn't what counts, it's the fun.

My CPID:   Steve

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 08:46:31 PM

Quote

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

I don't even know you and I can tell you don't know me.  I think I shot you down one or twice this tour but it was in a gaggle of planes and certainly not a 1v1,  if I remember correctly.

Have a nice day.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 08:51:50 PM

Quote

Originally posted by SteveBailey
*sigh*  the old "Let's duel, I are  l33t and you are teh suck."
I much prefer the chaos of the MA.  If I win, are you going to say I'm right?  What's my motivation for dueling?  Beating you won't mean I'm right, or a better pilot and I'm not into chest thumping much. I'll duel ya in any plane you want... when I'm in the mood for the DA, the plane isn't what counts, it's the fun.

My CPID:   Steve

I have NEVER EVER in my entire time playing AH said that I was l33t or even good.... Infact In the "Career stats" thread my exact words were "Yeah I Suck"

But if you like a good fight that involves pushing the plane and not the throttle then I am happy to oblige....

So again If you see me in the MA and want a good furball then feel free to call me out to a fileld....

You done cause I am

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: hubsonfire on December 27, 2006, 08:53:52 PM

I remember your ID from the "Rat Bastards of America" days (I was still a lowly dweeb named "name" back then), and I think you might have been on a few times when I was flying with Shawk's squads (was probably flying as hub or hub7 then).

Since your return, you have killed me once, and you didn't do it from a disadvantage. I'm not trying to belittle your cartoon skills, but you aren't exactly flying recklessly. You fly "smart", and that's great for you.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: mussie on December 27, 2006, 08:57:16 PM

Infact here is my actual Post from that thread Career Stats (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190053&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)

Quote

Originally posted by mussie
Its only the stats for this year tours 72-81 but I aint going to collect the stats for the year previous


(http://members.optusnet.com.au/vstrom/JG44%20Stats/November%202006/tours%2072-81.jpg)

YEAh I do suck but at least I shot him down ^ :P

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 09:01:44 PM

Quote

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I remember your ID from the "Rat Bastards of America" days (I was still a lowly dweeb named "name" back then), and I think you might have been on a few times when I was flying with Shawk's squads (was probably flying as hub or hub7 then).

Since your return, you have killed me once, and you didn't do it from a disadvantage. I'm not trying to belittle your cartoon skills, but you aren't exactly flying recklessly. You fly "smart", and that's great for you.

I remember Hub... I enjoyed the times I flew w/ him.... nice guy... that's you? Hello :)

I look for the biggest enemy darbar, take off and grab to 8-12k (sometimes I'm too lazy to go to 12) head for the darbar, try to get some kills and live.
Shawk is a good friend of mine but our mentalities are quite different. He'll get a group together, go to a base, kill ack and vulch drones before taking the base.  I just want to find the biggest fight.  You know, the kind where you have to use your Sa because there are so many planes in the sky... fun stuff! If that's flying smart... you got me. :)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: dtango on December 27, 2006, 09:09:54 PM

Steve likes a good scrap :).  I've been in many with him twisting and turning in *gasp* ponies ;) before he got busy with his little brood of kids!  Fun shooting the tail feathers off of planes when P-51's work in tandem.  

BTW Steve-o, not to hijack the thread but I'm told you're on a TV program!  PM waiting for ya :).

And sinner - I know you couldn't search but the Lavochkin-7 debate has gone on ad nauseum for years and years now.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Vudak on December 27, 2006, 09:14:35 PM

Quote

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

I know he's your squaddie and you're ribbing him, but GrmRpr can definately dogfight that pony...  One of my more memorable times in the DA was with him, just upping from one of the higher-alt bases, getting a little separation, turning in, and knife-fighting all the way to the deck.

We each won some and lost some, but as I recall, the fights I won I had to bust my butt for.

GREAT fun :)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 09:22:17 PM

Quote

Originally posted by mussie
I have NEVER EVER in my entire time playing AH said that I was l33t or even good.... Infact In the "Career stats" thread my exact words were "Yeah I Suck"

Mussie,  just to be clear:  I'm not saying you suck... not hinting at it in any way.  In the case of stats, the phrase "Numbers don't lie" can be quite wrong.  I don't put much stock in score and almost 0 stock in rank.  :)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Murdr on December 27, 2006, 10:06:27 PM

didnt take long to hijack this one :)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: eh on December 27, 2006, 10:12:09 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Lusche
While I would reluctantly agree to most points mentoined , I have to say that #6 is absolutely not true.
People vastly underestimate the dogfighting capabilties of the La7. It turns much better than most people think. Add to this the tremendous power, and you have a plane well able to get into a close brawl. Of course, you have to know to handle your throttle...

The La-7 has a vicious low-speed stall that eliminates it from sustained stall fighting in furballs. Otherwise, it can do alright if the turn fight is against one opponent, is of short duration, and you don't commit to going round and round with much of anything.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 27, 2006, 10:28:48 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Murdr
didnt take long to hijack this one :)

Poop on you, Mr. poopybottom!

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: hubsonfire on December 27, 2006, 10:44:11 PM

Hi Steve. :)

I think you mistakenly lump everyone who flies an La into the "just likes to run like a little girl" crowd. I do fly it occasionally, and then pretty much just to make sure no one can run away, while I usually don't run from anything, with the exception being low fuel/no ammo.

You make sure you have some alt, we make sure we have some speed, so we're both trying to maintain some sort of advantage in a particular situation. Point being, not everyone at alt is "timid", and not everyone in an La-7 is "running", even if it's true for a majority.

Title: well
Post by: stockli on December 28, 2006, 02:42:22 AM

Id settle if all LAs were painted pink and had a picture of rainbow bright in the cockpit.

Tassles at the very least.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SpiveyCH on December 28, 2006, 02:45:04 AM

Ever heard of this guy?   :)

Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub----


Kozhedub's WWII record:

    * 330 combat missions
    * 120 aerial engagements
    * 62 enemy aircraft shot down, including one Me 262 Jet fighter. His first kill was a German Junkers Ju 87 "Stuka" Dive-bomber on July 6th, 1943.
    * On one occasion, he met a flight of US B-17's being attacked by German fighters, and attempted to defend them. The American fighter escort mistook him for a hostile German attacker (there were many such mishaps because, from a distance, the Soviet La-5(7) and US P-47 look fairly similar to the German FW-190). Kozhedub had only one way to survive - by returning fire. That day, he shot down 2 P-51D's (one pilot bailed out, the other was killed). For decades this was an unknown detail of his biography.

Kozhedub was awarded the Order of Lenin twice, seven Orders of the Red Banner, Order of Alexander Nevsky, two Orders of the Red Star, Order of the Patriotic War First Class, and numerous medals.

  Was known as the allied "Ace of Aces"  

-------------------------------

Production numbers are all over the place.  It seems 5000-8000 were built.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Platano on December 28, 2006, 03:06:24 AM

I'd settle for seeing lala's with brokeback mountain written on the nose :lol


AS for them being a problem-no...

most of them dont know about throttle managemnet so their all easy kills...
the problems are the spixteens and the high 38's....

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 28, 2006, 04:25:14 AM

The problem starts with relying on russian data. Russians have always been famous for giving fake reports of this and that to please the partyline. The original numbers are probably the least trustworthy.

Then are things that can't be modeled such as production quality, variation, design errors (such as i-16 weapon trigger that was so heavy to use that pilots missed their shots as their stick moved while depressing the trigger).

When the original source of information is nothing short of a fantasy, it's no wonder the plane becomes dominant when simulated.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Tilt on December 28, 2006, 10:03:01 AM

Quote

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The problem starts with relying on russian data. Russians have always been famous for giving fake reports of this and that to please the partyline. The original numbers are probably the least trustworthy.

When the original source of information is nothing short of a fantasy, it's no wonder the plane becomes dominant when simulated.

Fortunately this opinion is now in the minority......... we have russian data as equally valid as any data sourced elsewhere that shows both the advantages and disadvantages of the aircraft modelled here.

The La7 was a great plane interms of its stats.............

It was also

Probably one of the most uncomfortable to fly.......

......cockpits overheated due to the hot oil pipes running between engine and oil cooler  causing cockpit temperatures above 40C in the summer

......cockpits were often subject to filling with exhaust gasses due to a poor seal between the engine compartment and the cockpit

It was also a throw away plane..........they were designed and built for a combat life of 4 to 6 months max.

If you wanted to escort or intercept long range bombers at 18 to 26K would you use an La7?

If you wanted to make long range fighter sweeps over France or Germany from remote British bases would you use an La7?

But if you want to be able to launch quick, fly short and strike/intercept fast at low level with the speed to disengage do you us the La7?...yes that is what it is best at.

The La7 was designed for the Russian front and that form of conflict is closer to the main arena of AHII than any other front during WWII.

Does it unbalance the game.....not at all ..............you see the stats above its not the most dominant aircraft its just the most "levelling" air craft.;)

Is its use disproportionate?

Well not as much as the Spitfires, N1K2's we see.

Should it be perked? well apparantly it should be perked after the P51D, the Spit MkXVI and the N1K2...........

Having said that I believe that a future ord perk on the 3 cannon version would be appropriate.............

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Whisky58 on December 28, 2006, 10:03:32 AM

The La 7 gets some stick on these boards.

What about some morally robust reasons for using it for a change.

1. It's a good plane for beginners.  Fast, turns well with few vices. Gives them confidence to move on.

2. It's a good plane to up when defending base against hordes.

3. What about the guys who have an interest in VVS planes?  Read about a plane, get some history then do the nearest thing you'll ever get to actually flying it - what's wrong with that.

Maybe we should get off our high horses & consider perspectives other  than the level playing field, anglo-saxon cricket, fair gamesmanship for all ethic that oozes from the bbs whenever La7s are mentioned.

p.s - poor ballistics, yes if you're used to praying & spraying from d800 with banks of 50 cals.  La7 SHOULD teach novices to get in close, that requires skill, rather than blasting away aimlessly hoping for a few hits as many folk do.
Regards to all for New Year.
:)

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: straffo on December 28, 2006, 11:40:24 AM

Quote

Originally posted by SINNER
Obviously this can go on to a ridiculous conclusion. The 51 was very prevalent, and f4u's etc. I'm not suggesting that there is a problem with the other planes. I just think when half of every furball is LA7's and they weren't a major factor in WWII, it is a little "inaccurate" if that term can be applied to AH.

The russian front was not a major factor ?

Are you nuts ?

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Hades55 on December 28, 2006, 12:21:11 PM

Quote

Originally posted by straffo
The russian front was not a major factor ?

Are you nuts ?

 

forgive them lord for they dont know what they say :)

they have lost from existence 3,5 years of war :)

(only in the battle of ukraine there was over 1500000 pows) just 1 battle

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: bzek74 on December 28, 2006, 12:26:20 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La7

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Kweassa on December 28, 2006, 12:29:33 PM

Quote

The russian front was not a major factor ?

Are you nuts ?

 Ease up straffo...he just might not know the tide of the war was already turned decisively by the Russians by the time the US had started bringing livestock to the war :D

 Besides, I'm sure he didn't think much about the fact that the top scoring aces of the Allied were all Russians, and the highest scoring Allied ace himself flew the La-7 and thought very highly of it. :D :D

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Krusty on December 28, 2006, 12:31:49 PM

Quote

Originally posted by bzek74
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La7

I was going to say "God, please don't link to wikipedia" -- then I checked the link and laughed! Good one!

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: bzek74 on December 28, 2006, 12:33:53 PM

Guess I beat the buzzer on that one lol now the real deal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La-7

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: bzek74 on December 28, 2006, 12:38:49 PM

But if you read wiki on the FW you would think your 190 would turn on a dime and keep enough e to roll your eyes....I think the quote from wiki on FW was the plane that changed air warfare.

Title: LA7
Post by: Patches1 on December 28, 2006, 01:19:02 PM

I flew an LA7 once...into a furball...and flew home with 6 scalps and little ammo left. LA7 flew like a dream...rolled well, turned well horizontally, turned well vertically, stall fought well... and accelerated like a dragster! It is a very capable aircraft worthy of respect!

Perk it? No...it has a very real nose weakness because that's where it's guns are! But! If you fly to it's six...there are no guns there...and it is weak.

Know your aircraft well... know the enemy aircraft better!

One thing HT had better NEVER do is...unperk the F4U-1C, nor the F4U-4!
If he does, he truely unleashes, "The Dogs of War"!

Title: I think that was me
Post by: 4deck on December 29, 2006, 09:58:39 AM

Quote

Originally posted by MwDogg
I find the la7 not to be a problem in the MA.  The plane I think is the problem is the hurri IIC.  The plane is way to manuevable at high speeds.  I had 1 the other night stay with me doing a spiral dive at over 450mph all the way down to the earth leveling and yet stay with me for a long time.  Its only the IIC that I find can do this.  Wings should come off at those speeds doing those manevs on the hurri pulling over 7g's.

I think that might have been me. Not sure though.
I fly a Hurri all the time now, when Im not bombing. If im on someones six, I can pretty much stay there now, even in a dive, i use alot of rudder for speed control, with my throttle. I also have been geting alot better due to remapping my views. I can see now. What a tremedious difference. Also back to speed, Im usually extemely slow, Ive never hit that mph or even close even in a dive. As a matter of fact if someone extends out, I break off and find another target. If were on the deck I'll stall them out, and watch em hit a tree. :lol , thats my new favorite thing to do to an La7. Ofcourse it help s with a little cannon in the tail for added weight back there. :t

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SkyRock on December 29, 2006, 10:41:29 AM

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

:rofl

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SkyRock on December 29, 2006, 10:43:33 AM

SkyRock's F4U-1<-----------eats la7's like a hungry weight watcher drop out!
:aok

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: AKDogg on December 29, 2006, 10:54:04 AM

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Originally posted by SkyRock
SkyRock's F4U-1<-----------eats la7's like a hungry weight watcher drop out!
:aok

Don't forget spits too along with the ki's, hehehe

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 29, 2006, 11:14:55 AM

I just checked the main La killers from a strictly K/D point of view:

             Kills of Deaths by  K/D
Me 262         26 114 0.23  
Tempest 68 294 0.23  
Me 163B          9 38 0.23  
F4U-1C        245 540 0.45  
F4U-4         80 136 0.58  
Ki-84-Ia 324 487 0.66  
Ki-61         97 133 0.72  
Typhoon IB 685 879 0.78  
P-47-D25 120 152 0.78  
P-38G        116 140 0.82

Against Spit 16 the La7 has a K/D of 1.02, against the F4U1 a K/D of 1.12.

But you should be careful to derive any conclusions from this table. The Ki-61 seems to be a big La killer, but with only 133 kills, a few dedicated and able pilots flying the Ki can make a huge difference in K/D rate.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 29, 2006, 11:22:18 AM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
i do believe that the russians produced more la7 s than any other russian plane.

Wow.   Why do you even bother posting? :rofl

La-5 - 9,920
La-7 - 5,753

Yak-9 - 16,769
Il-2- 36,163

You get the point.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 29, 2006, 11:28:22 AM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wow.   Why do you even bother posting? :rofl

La-5 - 9,920
La-7 - 5,753

Yak-9 - 16,769
Il-2- 36,163

You get the point.

just to annoy you mashmouth.:aok

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Masherbrum on December 29, 2006, 11:31:17 AM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
just to annoy you mashmouth.:aok

Nice attempt.   You failed again.   Keep trying, MAYBE one day, but I doubt it.   You're good at backpedaling though.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 29, 2006, 11:55:41 AM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Nice attempt.   You failed again.   Keep trying, MAYBE one day, but I doubt it.   You're good at backpedaling though.

as usual, always something nice and constructive to say.

keep it up!!

your replies are SO fasinating and imaginative!!



i,m done with this guy.

he,ll always have something  brilliant to say.

why does HE bother?:rolleyes:

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Airscrew on December 29, 2006, 12:54:42 PM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
he,ll always have something  brilliant to say.

why does HE bother?:rolleyes:

Because its fun, and you make it almost too easy  :lol

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 29, 2006, 01:06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Airscrew
Because its fun, and you make it almost too easy  :lol

lmfao!!!:rofl :rofl

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SkyRock on December 29, 2006, 03:18:17 PM

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Originally posted by Airscrew
Because its fun, and you make it almost too easy  :lol

concurr!:aok

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Kuhn on December 29, 2006, 03:36:33 PM

I can't believe some say they hate to fly the La-7. How could you hate such a pretty bird. I fly the La-5 most of the time I'm looking for a quick fight, but I still get a hankerin for the 7 once in a while. And I almost forgot, DWEEBS RULE!  :D  :aok

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: 1Boner on December 29, 2006, 03:45:00 PM

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Originally posted by SkyRock
concurr!:aok

lmfao!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl  

same old guys playin the same old games

over and over and over and over

you guys are gettin reeeeal predictable

but please keep it up!!

very entertaining

like a monkey slingin poop in a zoo!!!


                                                 awaiting your predictable reply,
                                             
                                                                                                  Boner




i thought this was about la7s?

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Airscrew on December 29, 2006, 04:01:10 PM

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Originally posted by 1Boner
very entertaining
like a monkey slingin poop in a zoo!!!

Funny you should use that analogy, makes me think of your posts :lol

Just so you wouldnt be disappointed...

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SkyRock on December 29, 2006, 06:05:13 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Airscrew
Funny you should use that analogy, makes me think of your posts :lol

Just so you wouldnt be disappointed...

concurr!  :aok

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: SteveBailey on December 29, 2006, 06:26:12 PM

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Hi Steve. :)

I think you mistakenly lump everyone who flies an La into the "just likes to run like a little girl" crowd.  

Hub, certainly there are exceptions.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: eh on December 29, 2006, 06:44:58 PM

Lusche, can you give us the url for those wonderful stats you use? I lost the link when I had a hard disk crash when I threw my computer to the floor when an La HO'd my Tempest.

Title: LA7 Ufo?
Post by: Lusche on December 29, 2006, 07:03:58 PM

All from HTCs own scorepage. Klick on "Kill stats in expanded format"