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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Badboy on December 28, 2006, 06:15:05 AM
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Real life is getting so realistic, it's almost exactly like Aces High.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzVTmeHhd9o
Badboy
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Thanks for clip badboy always enjoy clips like this. Only half way through it atm..
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that video made me :lol
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Originally posted by Platano
that video made me :lol
Until I saw the poor fishermen running from .50cal rounds... not that funny to me seeing people run for their lives.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Until I saw the poor fishermen running from .50cal rounds... not that funny to me seeing people run for their lives.
Looks funny to me after seeing what they did to Pearl
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Looks funny to me after seeing what they did to Pearl
These fishermen most certainly did...
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Lusche....maybe you should watch "Hell in the Pacific" and see if that changes your outlook.;)
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Lusche....maybe you should watch "Hell in the Pacific" and see if that changes your outlook.;)
Regardless if I think of any measures taken in major war "rightful / useful / justified" to win it or not, I will never find any poor human being (wether American, Japanese, Arab or Finn or whatever) running for its life a funny thing. I do not laugh about fear of death. Those fishermen are just poor victims like several millions of people around the world in that war.
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Don't waste your time Lusche. These boards are a haven for internet tough guys to anonymously spout off the crap they cannot openly say in public. To expect them to display any small measure of empathy is setting yourself up for nothing but disappointment.
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<-- Internet tough guy.
IRL I just scare me enemies with gross displays of lunacy and off-balance comments.
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I don't think those fishermen being shot at is funny, but they don't get an ounce of sympathy from me either.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Until I saw the poor fishermen running from .50cal rounds... not that funny to me seeing people run for their lives.
When I lived in Japan, one of our friends told us about how when he was a child, they had hid under a table in their house while the P-51's were strafing their fishing village. He watched his 12 yr old older brother take a .50 caliber slug thru his back and die. Mother was also hit but survived.
It's very easy to build up a hatred for "those people" because of Pearl Harbor, etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us. As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people. But in the end, it is the ordinary people like Mr. Funaki's older brother who end up paying the price. . .
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Don't waste your time Lusche. These boards are a haven for internet tough guys to anonymously spout off the crap they cannot openly say in public. To expect them to display any small measure of empathy is setting yourself up for nothing but disappointment.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I saw several segments of this footage yesterday on the Milt channel I think it was. In this vid at 2:08 it showed a guy bailing out of his fighter. The video showed that the guy slipped out of his harness & went hurling to earth the hard way.
Oh btw,
The show was about gun camera footage.
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Talks about something similar in Tom Blackburns book. Was making a run in to strafe a Japanese in his chute (I don't approve, don't jump all over me please) when he noticed nobody in the harness. He figured the harness must have burned through or torn and left the pilot to fall 18,000 feet or so.
Think I'd rather be strafed.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Until I saw the poor fishermen running from .50cal rounds... not that funny to me seeing people run for their lives.
Not the funny when those same fisherman would beat an american Pilot to death after he's been shot down is it?
.Not that funny..
When i see the photo's of Family's in thier Sunday best on the way to church shot up in thier family Sedan is it?, i just watch that film clip above several times and it takes away some of the anger.Friendly people or not they did what they did as we will continue to do what we do.
These boards are a haven for internet tough guys to anonymously spout off the crap they cannot openly say in public
What part of the USA do you live in?, because that kind of talk is prominent in this country.
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Originally posted by Treize69
<-- Internet tough guy.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Until I saw the poor fishermen running from .50cal rounds... not that funny to me seeing people run for their lives.
ya same here...its just that half those GUnCam Footages were from the ETO...and it was the same sequence over and over..pilot.. Guns.... Enemy being shot down...Pilot...Guns...Enemy Shot down....Pilot Guns...Enemy Shot down...
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Originally posted by Treize69
Talks about something similar in Tom Blackburns book. Was making a run in to strafe a Japanese in his chute (I don't approve, don't jump all over me please) when he noticed nobody in the harness. He figured the harness must have burned through or torn and left the pilot to fall 18,000 feet or so.
Think I'd rather be strafed.
Not many American pilots in either theater strafed an opposing pilot. That is, until they saw it first hand.
In Bud Anderson's book "To Fly and Fight" he recalls a fellow squadmate who shot at German pilots in there chutes. This pilot witnessed a German pilot doing it to an American pilot after he had been shot down. After seeing that, each German pilot was no longer a person, but part of the airplane. Bud Anderson himself said he could not do that, but if he had witnessed what the other pilot had, he might have changed his mind.
If i recall correctly, Japanese pilots strafed American service men AND civilains during the attack on Pearl Harbor. You reak what ya show!
Kind of makes me sad that our civilization thinks like this. I mean, look in the Arab world. A bunch of crazed men fly planes into buildings, killing thousands of civilians and there are celebrations, national holidays, ect. But God forbid an American Marine shoots an Arab civilian because he is holding an RPG or Ak47. Just plain rediculous.
Its pretty much the same thing here, yes its sad that it happened. American pilots strafing Japanese fisherman, yes its wrong. But during those days, it was acceptable. Just like carpet bombing German/Japanese cities was "part of war."
Its not funny, but then again, i feel zero sympethy for them. Because, it was part of the war.
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You reak what ya show!
:huh
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Ok, in simpler English,
You get what you show!
You shoot at me, ill shoot at you!!
"Kingdom of Heaven" Baily doesnt kill the Arab slave after the one on one battle against his "master". He allows his prisioner to live and gives him his "award for battle" a horse. Later in the movie, the so called slave turns out to be the 2nd in command of the Arab army and does not kill Baily after a cavalry battle because Baily spared his life.
"You reak what you show"
Reak may not be spelled right, appolgy for that!
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Reap what you sow.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/reap+what+you+sow
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :aok
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Ok, in simpler English,
You get what you show!
Originally posted by EagleEyes
You reak what ya show!
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:huh
Originally posted by RTGorkle
Reap what you sow.
:aok
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Not the funny when those same fisherman would beat an american Pilot to death after he's been shot down is it?
.Not that funny..
When i see the photo's of Family's in thier Sunday best on the way to church shot up in thier family Sedan is it?, i just watch that film clip above several times and it takes away some of the anger.Friendly people or not they did what they did as we will continue to do what we do.
What part of the USA do you live in?, because that kind of talk is prominent in this country.
Are you suggesting that all Japanese fishermen would willingly beat helpless Americans to death? And are you insinuating that the Japanese somehow magically invaded our country and began killing people in their automobiles, or even would have? Because that was technically impossible, given their relative power and supply issues. I'd also like to ask you if you think that everybody in this country is Christian, or even religious.
Don't think that strawman arguments are even the least bit significant. Just because a person's country involved them in a war doesn't mean that they condone slaughter. To kill somebody and laugh just because somebody they most likely don't even know did the same is far from being right... Or even sane.
A submarine crew slaughtering three hundred helpless Japanese men in the pacific when their ship sank was thought of as "justified", because "they did Pearl Harbor". Did they? How did the submarine crew know that those exact men were involved in the attack? How did they even know that they condoned the sneak attack, much less praised it?
Slaughtering a mass of people who are trying to swim for their lives, just because of something their country got them involved in. There's a word for that.
Pathetic.
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well said Fruda.
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Thanks, but we should prepare for the redneck rampage that will surely commence soon.
Bring popcorn.
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War is disgusting. Plain simple truth. I was in Desert storm, and there really is nothing pretty about it. I did my job, and thats about it. I made it home. The pilots in that film were doing their job. The pilots that hit Pearl Harbor were doing their job. When your job is to kill someone, you do your job. Thats just the plain simple truth.
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Thats just your opinion.As weak is it sounds, it's still your opinion.
Those japanese had no intentions of ever recognizing the geneva convention.They proved that on Bataan.i recently wrapped up reading baa Baa Black sheep by Gegory Boyington and his decription of thier treatment of prisoners confirms it.
So you just go on drivin your honda accord & watching your jane fonda movies.
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Ok, in simpler English,
You get what you show!
Originally posted by EagleEyes
You reak what ya show!
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Originally posted by RTGorkle
Reap what you sow.
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I Phreak on the slow.
I mow what I ho
I ho where I go
I go to the foe
I fro to low
Oh no
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Originally posted by Fruda
Are you suggesting that all Japanese fishermen would willingly beat helpless Americans to death? And are you insinuating that the Japanese somehow magically invaded our country and began killing people in their automobiles, or even would have? Because that was technically impossible, given their relative power and supply issues. I'd also like to ask you if you think that everybody in this country is Christian, or even religious.
Don't think that strawman arguments are even the least bit significant. Just because a person's country involved them in a war doesn't mean that they condone slaughter. To kill somebody and laugh just because somebody they most likely don't even know did the same is far from being right... Or even sane.
A submarine crew slaughtering three hundred helpless Japanese men in the pacific when their ship sank was thought of as "justified", because "they did Pearl Harbor". Did they? How did the submarine crew know that those exact men were involved in the attack? How did they even know that they condoned the sneak attack, much less praised it?
Slaughtering a mass of people who are trying to swim for their lives, just because of something their country got them involved in. There's a word for that.
Pathetic.
He has a pea brain Fruda, don't waste your time.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats just your opinion.As weak is it sounds, it's still your opinion.
Those japanese had no intentions of ever recognizing the geneva convention.They proved that on Bataan.i recently wrapped up reading baa Baa Black sheep by Gegory Boyington and his decription of thier treatment of prisoners confirms it.
So you just go on drivin your honda accord & watching your jane fonda movies.
FISHERMEN WERE NOT MISTREATING PRISONERS! What does Vietnam have to do with this thread?
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Originally posted by SKJohn
When I lived in Japan, one of our friends told us about how when he was a child, they had hid under a table in their house while the P-51's were strafing their fishing village. He watched his 12 yr old older brother take a .50 caliber slug thru his back and die. Mother was also hit but survived.
It's very easy to build up a hatred for "those people" because of Pearl Harbor, etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us. As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people. But in the end, it is the ordinary people like Mr. Funaki's older brother who end up paying the price. . .
This is quite possibly the best post I have ever seen on this BBS. Bravo SKJohn!
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This is a test I like this in my tag. I just made a funny.:D
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Originally posted by 4deck
This is a test I like this in my tag. I just made a funny.:D
It's also too large to use as a signature. Resize it or you're gonna lose it.
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OK I was going to walk away BUT... I have read Baa Baa Black Sheep at least 3 or 4 times in my life and Boyington specifically points out how well the Japanese civilians treated them. From his book, "We were not allowed to speak to them, and they were not allowed to help us in any way. Yet despite this order they risked beatings to help us out by giving us cigarettes and small pieces of food." Yes some of the Japanese guards were monsters and Boyington has a rather profound rationale for their behavior. This can be found in chapter 32.
In my opinion, Boyington was a pretty decent sort. He more than anyone had the right to hate the Japanese but he didn't.
Now I suppose it's time to take my own advice from my first post, and go on with my day. Have a great weekend everyone (even you Sweet2th :)) and don't get too hammered on Sunday night!
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Originally posted by Fruda
A submarine crew slaughtering three hundred helpless Japanese men in the pacific when their ship sank was thought of as "justified", because "they did Pearl Harbor". Did they? How did the submarine crew know that those exact men were involved in the attack? How did they even know that they condoned the sneak attack, much less praised it?
Slaughtering a mass of people who are trying to swim for their lives, just because of something their country got them involved in. There's a word for that.
Pathetic. [/B]
I dont agree,they wore the uniform or the Japanese Army/Navy and by doing so represent what they stand for and their actions.
Now,If I were in the KKK,and they found me strung up in a tree with my KKK get up on,would you defend me by saying "poor guy,maybe he was a nice non racist KKK guy who got a bad rap from the other KKK guys"?
just an example
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Look at the way you gurls respond over somebody's opinion.
I have read Baa Baa Black Sheep at least 3 or 4 times
Then you know how he was treated before he arrived on mainland japan, where those civilians you type of fed them hardly anything and still tryed to beat imformation out of them.Boyington was lucky he was made the kitchen help, what about those other guys?
Do yourself a favor and find a book called : The Fallen by Marc Landas
In that book you'll find out how they executed 31 prisoners of war and performed experiments on 8 P.O.W.'s
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Do yourself a favor and find a book called : The Fallen by Marc Landas
In that book you'll find out how they executed 31 prisoners of war and performed experiments on 8 P.O.W.'s
I read about the "vivisections" performed on the 8 POW's. AGAIN, these are performed by the JAPANESE MILITARY SURGEONS. They are NOT performed by FISHERMEN, CIVILIANS, ETC. Are you as inept in RL, or are you just being inept for sake of argument?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I read about the "vivisections" performed on the 8 POW's. AGAIN, these are performed by the JAPANESE MILITARY SURGEONS. They are NOT performed by FISHERMEN, CIVILIANS, ETC. Are you as inept in RL, or are you just being inept for sake of argument?
i wasn't even responding to you.It's obvious you already know everything........
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
i wasn't even responding to you.It's obvious you already know everything........
Hello pot this is kettle ect...ect..ect .
:rolleyes:
Bronk
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats just your opinion.As weak is it sounds, it's still your opinion.
Those japanese had no intentions of ever recognizing the geneva convention.They proved that on Bataan.i recently wrapped up reading baa Baa Black sheep by Gegory Boyington and his decription of thier treatment of prisoners confirms it.
So you just go on drivin your honda accord & watching your jane fonda movies.
First of all, it's not opinion (except perhaps for the pathetic part, though I'm going to stand fast and call that the truth)... It's called logic.
Ah, the classic "they're doing it, and so should we" argument. We were bound by the Geneva Conventions, pal. Murdering soldiers who could've easily been taken as prisoners goes against those conventions. It's called war crimes.
Okay, don't even go there. I had to sell my car because I didn't have the money to pay for it (and I can't afford another at the moment), and I don't like Jane Fonda. Of course, when I finally have the money to do so, I'd definitely buy a Honda. It'd have to be a Civic, though, because I like compacts, and they get great gas mileage.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
This is quite possibly the best post I have ever seen on this BBS. Bravo SKJohn!
Thank you , sir! This is a difficult subject for me. In the 6 years that I lived and worked there, I made it a point to talk to older people about some of thier experiences during the war. After they got to know you, they would open up with a lot of heartbreaking stories about what it was like to be on the receiving end of US air power.
One other example that comes to mind: as many of you know, a lot of people in Tokyo sent their children out to smaller towns and villages in the country to go to school so they would be safe from the continual air-raids in the Kanto-plain (Tokyo) area. Well, that's fine and dandy until it was an overcast day, the bombers couldn't see their target, and for whatever reason decided to jettison their bombs before they had to RTB with them. Imagine the heartbreak when your sister informs you that your two daughters won't be returning home during the spring break because a stick of bombs plastered the elementary school they were attending in a small village far outside of Tokyo with NO type of war production (unless farming counts...).
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And the Chinese could tell 1000's more like that about the Japs...
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Originally posted by sNiPeR
And the Chinese could tell 1000's more like that about the Japs...
And? Does that somehow make it okay for them or even us to kill their innocent citizens in retaliation?
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Originally posted by Fruda
And? Does that somehow make it okay for them or even us to kill their innocent citizens in retaliation?
ummmmm,can you exactly show me where I said it was ok to kill innocent citizens?
MY point was...in every war,there are stories like this against citizens on which soil the war is being fought.
but plz show me where I said its ok to kill the innocent
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I'm sorry.
I know all about Japanese atrocities during WWII.
I read Prang's "Miracle at Midway," where the Japanese sailors, bribed with the prize of a cigarette lighter, bashed American flyers' brains out with fire axes after capturing and interogating them.
I've read about the Bataan death march and the experiments on POWs.
Still, I look at gun camera footage and I can't help but feel sympathy for the poor SOBs stuck in a bomber and knowing they will not be seeing their families again.Or the green kid sent up without any training suddenly finding himself in way over his head and and losing body parts as the .50 slugs rip through his cockpit.
I know I should be cheering, but I can't.
It's part of my upbringing. The part (I like to think) that helped us win that war and has made us what we as a country are.
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Originally posted by sNiPeR
And the Chinese could tell 1000's more like that about the Japs...
Nothing like Bio-Chemical Warfare, which by the way had full approval of the Japanese government.
Or in Manilla how the Japanese told all the citizen's to go to certain buildings for safety, then the japanese started hauling all thier artillery pieces on top of those buildings so the American forces would shooot at them, over 1 million Filipino's lost thier lives due to the Japanese.
But knowing all this, it still makes me feel good watching those folks run for thie lives, it is best recreated in the movie Full Metal Jacket by a Door Gunner.What was it he said....." GET SOME, GET SOME"
PvtJoker:How can you shoot women & Children?
Door Gunner:It's easy, you just don't lead them as much...ahahahah Ain't WAR hell?
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Ahh.. nothing like the smell of classic process of dehumanization.
Who cares about the chinks, gooks, japs, and krauts anyway. As long as they are at the other side of the gun barrel, they're just targets.
Don't be all gay and subtle about giving patriotic support for your homeboys - it's okay to holler and cheer when they're shooting at the enemy. The only instance where you should get angry is when you see another footage from the opposite perspective. I mean, all those mean japs and krauts shooting at our boys.. how can they be so cruel? Those boys got families and loved ones. It's just so sick, man.
It's the manly thing to do, to support your own troops, when they shoot at someone else. So let's not all get hypocrytic about it. That's what war is, and when war happens it's okay to be inhuman.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Ahh.. nothing like the smell of classic process of dehumanization.
Who cares about the chinks, gooks, japs, and krauts anyway. As long as they are at the other side of the gun barrel, they're just targets.
Don't be all gay and subtle about giving patriotic support for your homeboys - it's okay to holler and cheer when they're shooting at the enemy. The only instance where you should get angry is when you see another footage from the opposite perspective. I mean, all those mean japs and krauts shooting at our boys.. how can they be so cruel? Those boys got families and loved ones. It's just so sick, man.
It's the manly thing to do, to support your own troops, when they shoot at someone else. So let's not all get hypocrytic about it. That's what war is, and when war happens it's okay to be inhuman.
Now that was the best post on this BB yet.
Well Typed Kweassa.
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Whooooooooosh...
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Yeah, he completely missed the meaning of that one.
Wow.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Yeah, he completely missed the meaning of that one.
Wow.
Thats a certain persons lame attempt at baiting .
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Thats a certain persons lame attempt at baiting .
Bronk
Ah. Well, I haven't honestly seen enough of his posts, and I spend most of my posting time on a forum where when something like that happens, it's because of stupidity rather than baiting.
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Thats a certain persons lame attempt at baiting .
Actually, while it may have been unrecognizable to your primitive brain, it was an obvious attempt on classic cynicism. The whole point was to go down the extremist path to show someone how inhuman and indiscriminate it is to uphold a certain view point that justifies killing people on the grounds of nationality alone.
The problem is, normally I would have expected a very reserved response from the certain person the cynicism was directed at. Since cynics are usually rhetorical and exaggerative, I was expecting him to deny that his opinions were anything like what I've suggested.
But instead, like Fruda said..
Yeah, he completely missed the meaning of that one.
In a sense, it turned out to be the best outcome ever imaginable. I've thrown bait at the smelliest gutter around, and he fell for it. It effectively exposed to the thread what kind of a person the guy was.
So in the end, mind you Bronk, that it just so happened to become a "certain person's excellent attempt at baiting".
It's only lame if it fails.
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Ummm Kweassa my post was aimed at sweet2th/autopilot/todd420/Tedstryker/shade/shade's last post.
He was clearly trying to bait.
Sorry if you thought I was targeting you .
Bronk
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Originally posted by SKJohn
When I lived in Japan, one of our friends told us about how when he was a child, they had hid under a table in their house while the P-51's were strafing their fishing village. He watched his 12 yr old older brother take a .50 caliber slug thru his back and die. Mother was also hit but survived.
It's very easy to build up a hatred for "those people" because of Pearl Harbor, etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us. As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people. But in the end, it is the ordinary people like Mr. Funaki's older brother who end up paying the price. . .
I like something I saw here....lets see if this works...... a little sociological experiment.
It's very easy to build up a hatred for "AMERICANS" because of
"IRAQ", etc. - until you get to know them as PEOPLE and realize they are just like us. As in most wars, it was their leaders that got them into the war - not the ordinary people. But in the end, it is the ordinary people like "ANY SOLIDERS LITTLE BROTHERS NAME HERE" older brother who end up paying the price. . .
Nope... I can't imagine any non-American in the world uttering these words today. Pretty interesting stuff. Keep it coming ;-)
Softail
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Suggest you guys find a copy of the book "Of War and Weddings" by Jerry Yellin.
He was one of those 51 pilots flying off Iwo escorting B29s and shooting up targets in Japan. He talks about that experience and the experience of having to reconcile his wartime 'hate' as his son is going to marry a Japanese woman.
Turns out the Japanese family is dealing with some of the same issues from their side of the war.
A rather fascinating look at what you gents are talking about. In the end they all learn something.
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I think what bothers me most here is this belief that the American pilots weren't troubled when they shot up civilians.
These guys had a mission. They were to hit what ever target. Civilians were often there.
I've talked to way to many WWII pilots who cry every night even today about what they had to do. Sometimes they did have to shoot the 'innocent'.
I don't know if I can suffer another WWII vet crying as he tells me about shooting down an unarmed German transport plane and killing 20 or 30 soldiers.
You donkey's (jarkarses) act like if you shoot a machine, then its ok, but if you see little arms and legs then it is not ok. I guess you are just one generation too far from the truth.
War is dirty. There is no right. There is only death.
The team with the most young lives to throw on the fire usually wins.
Stop acting like it is somehow less brutal if you believe you are the good guys, its not. Its just blood and death.
Being good at Aces High doesn't amount to a hill of poo compared to what your most hated enemy did to fight your biggest hero in a real war.
I know a lot of AH players are real vets, Iraq, Korea, Nam, Maybe even some from WWII... But what makes me puke is you pencil pushing turds who have never seen the stock of a gun, much less the barrel pointed at your skull.. Talking about whats right and wrong and what is hard and what is not.
This video shows warfare in a day when CNN wasn't looking for houses versus 'targets'. It was a brutal war with a lot of brutal films.
Don't try to pretend that things you see today are more noble, or less deadly.