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My g/f ordered me a set of Rudder Pedals as a late Christmas present this morning. Any tips for getting used to them over a twisty stick? I had a set a long time ago..but I quit using them because I always kept a little pressure on one pedal or another without knowing it. :(
I guess it just takes LOTS of practice. :-/
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Does your girlfriend have a sister. :D
Im dying for Pedals. Or a girlfriend, right now.:(
Let me know how the learning curve is, cause Im seriously thinking of purchasing some in the next couple of weeks. Right now I finnally got my POS Thrustmaster to behave thy self. Still Squirelly, but I fixed the rudder with 2 modes that i switch back and forth on ridiculesly in a fight. I should submit a video of me in combat, my friend was like freaking out watching me. Im doing like 8 things at one time. because of this stick.:rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by shooter1cac
My g/f ordered me a set of Rudder Pedals as a late Christmas present this morning. Any tips for getting used to them over a twisty stick? I had a set a long time ago..but I quit using them because I always kept a little pressure on one pedal or another without knowing it. :(
I guess it just takes LOTS of practice. :-/
dont put your feet on them, and dont wear shoes.
Put your heals on the floor, and just use your toes to make the inputs. that way you can simply lift your toes off the pedals to ensure they are centered.
Balsy
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Balsy is right, donīt wear shoes.
When setting up your pedals, donīt forget to unmap your twist axis.
After that, do some extensive practice either offline or in TA. Do a lot of aerobatics to get a feel for your new toy. Because when you just jump directly into MA, you will probably forget to use your pedals in critical situations. At least that did happen to me. At one point during my first combats, iI was wondering about the strange behavior of my plane - until I found out that clumsy old Lusche was resting his right foot on the pedals so he gave constant right rudder :rolleyes:
So the key is practice, practice, practice!
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Originally posted by Balsy
dont put your feet on them, and dont wear shoes.
Put your heals on the floor, and just use your toes to make the inputs. that way you can simply lift your toes off the pedals to ensure they are centered.
Balsy
I'll second that. The only time I put my feet fully on the pedals is when on the ground so I can use the toe brakes.
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Pedals become intuitive after a bit.
Others are correct that "resting" upon them becomes a problem if one doesn't set a bit of "Dead Band" commensurate to each individuals' weight upon the pedals whilst "resting". This is an individual choice that comes with practice and, habit.
I found pedals to greatly enhance game play.
Good luck with them...I hope this helps a bit.
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Originally posted by Balsy
dont put your feet on them, and dont wear shoes.
Put your heals on the floor, and just use your toes to make the inputs. that way you can simply lift your toes off the pedals to ensure they are centered.
Balsy
Yup no shoes also when you get them your going to be using too much rudder and most likely snap in turns. So turn up the deadband a little or fix sensitivity. I use my whole foot just wear socks though. Also you need a board or something else to keep pedals from moving (sliding with inputs).
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it took me about a week to actually remember the pedals were there. about a week of adjusting deadband and stuff. a few more days i was at the point that i didn't need to even think about them. my feet just did what they had to. one of the best investments i've made.
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Originally posted by shooter1cac
My g/f ordered me a set of Rudder Pedals as a late Christmas present this morning. Any tips for getting used to them over a twisty stick? I had a set a long time ago..but I quit using them because I always kept a little pressure on one pedal or another without knowing it. :(
I guess it just takes LOTS of practice. :-/
a g/f who understands and supports your Aces High Habit!!! Wow!!! you lucky lucky guy. :aok
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Originally posted by shooter1cac
... Any tips for getting used to them over a twisty stick? ...
Don't let your dog lay by your feet :)
Gunner
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Beware of Cats that think your Peds are a playtoy for them ...
practice flying the hangers at off angles and adding slight input to get the plane thru them .. this is one of the fastest ways to get used to them.
if your stuck "input resting" your feet ... hand ur Girlfriend a whip, ruler , or some other pain giving object ,,and let her whack your foot everytime your input resting... :D
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Here are a few tips.
1) Rudder is primarily a roll control in ACM. Without going into all the aerodynamics of it, yawing the airplane will cause the airplane to roll in the same direction as the yaw so left rudder = left roll, right rudder = right roll. This is due to something called Dihedral effect if you want to look it up and gain a better understanding.
2) Try this little exercise. Take off and level off at 5k feet. Completely release the stick and fly the plane with your rudder. You'll find that it's fairly easy to fly the plane just using rudder inputs instead of ailerons. Go back to the stick and using it just for pitch control use your rudders to shoot some approaches, fly through hangars, do turns around radio masts, etc and you'll rapidly gain a good feel for them.
3) Since the rudder is primarily a roll control start using rudder, in concert with your ailerons every single time you turn and you'll find that your roll rates are greater and it's much easier to position your plane where you want it. Just remember to go left, use left stick and left rudder together.
4) When you get used to the pedals you'll also see there are a great many other uses including creating a sideslip to slow down quickly, fine tuning your gunnery and rudder reversals. You'll also need them for returning home after pulling both your 262's wingtips off and other sort of battle damage.
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Great advice there Mace!
One thing id like to add on the non-technical side. Give it a little time.
Youll have to completely relearn rudder input, and also, hand-feet coordination is always more difficult than hand-hand (especially since twisty rudder is the same hand - its ONE momevement that you now have to split in 2).
You can estimate around 8 weeks till aour back to previous "comfort level" using rudder. Its hell to get used to them, but after that, worth every minute of that. Pedals make for a much finer and smoother rudder input.
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Make sure you use subtle small inputs unless you REALLY want to slow the plane- like a fast landing at a vulched field .I love toe brakes!- but learn proper input for them as well.
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Two other things I would add:
1. Don't forget to map left and right wheel brakes for some added taxiing control in tight situations (re-arm pad).
2. You may want to try advanced scaling. If you have your elevator input set to an approximate exponential scaling, you may find setting the same scaling for rudders to your liking.
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Spend some time in attack mode straffing small ground objects or vehicles. You'll find you often need small yaw adjustments during straffing. It will help break the habit of twisting the stick to kick the nose (because nothing happens, forces you to use the pedals).
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just got a new set myself. been using the mini mouse on CH throttle, and oddly after about 2 years, have been quite comfortable with that. never tried resting feet on floor instead of pedals, sounds worth a try. other than that atm it is completely frustrating for me, it rather interesting how much i was using rudder, and without it where it usually mapped is causing many missed opportunities for me. but getting better, and looking forward to the day when i'll forget about the mini mouse:) thanks for posting shooter, and all the replies