Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DREDger on December 29, 2006, 12:38:31 PM
-
"Sometimes it is best to run away and live to fight another day"
In AH, I found that sometimes you have to make a run for it, and I see nothing wrong with this. Personally, I like the fly the tempest, cause it's so fast and hard hitting. I especially like to think I can get out of trouple even faster than I get myself into it.
This of course comes with the taunts from the guy(s) chasing me, telling me I'm a scardie cat (or worse) and should turn and fight. I especially like it when say a turn plane (spit) is chasing me about 1k behind when I'm in a typhy or 38. (This is spit that has come in with a 2k advantage, new to the fight and you seen just soon enough to start hauling *** away from him)
To turn would be suicide, no way I am going to out turn fight him even with equal E and position, no way I'm going to surprise him either. Anything but to keep running would be folly, but you continue to hear the channel 200 crap talking about it.
Anyway, I find it absurd when someone has complete advantage, that they would talk crap about you not commiting suicide and giving them an easy kill.
-
I love afk kills too:aok
dare I say I agree:noid
-
Originally posted by DREDger
"Sometimes it is best to run away and live to fight another day"
In AH, I found that sometimes you have to make a run for it, and I see nothing wrong with this. Personally, I like the fly the tempest, cause it's so fast and hard hitting. I especially like to think I can get out of trouple even faster than I get myself into it.
This of course comes with the taunts from the guy(s) chasing me, telling me I'm a scardie cat (or worse) and should turn and fight. I especially like it when say a turn plane (spit) is chasing me about 1k behind when I'm in a typhy or 38. (This is spit that has come in with a 2k advantage, new to the fight and you seen just soon enough to start hauling *** away from him)
To turn would be suicide, no way I am going to out turn fight him even with equal E and position, no way I'm going to surprise him either. Anything but to keep running would be folly, but you continue to hear the channel 200 crap talking about it.
Anyway, I find it absurd when someone has complete advantage, that they would talk crap about you not commiting suicide and giving them an easy kill.
i wouldn,t pay to much attention to what anyone says on 200.
no matter what you do in any given situation, there will always be some
einstein with something negative to say.
ignore it-----fly the way you want and have fun!!!
-
Why you DON'T chase the low 109 trying to leave.
http://www.speedyshare.com/743359241.html
:D
Bronk
-
so you fly a tempest timidly than get upset when u get taunted on 200? :rolleyes: thats pound for pound maybe the best ftr there is...we have enuff sissys without the perkpickers gettin lamearse wtg's on the buffer:noid
-
so you fly a tempest timidly than get upset when u get taunted on 200?
It is 'then' not 'than'
And the point I am making is that running is sometimes your only option.
-
Dred....its Trouble not Trouple:D
-
Originally posted by DREDger
"Sometimes it is best to run away and live to fight another day"
To turn would be suicide, no way I am going to out turn fight him even with equal E and position, no way I'm going to surprise him either. Anything but to keep running would be folly
Anyway, I find it absurd when someone has complete advantage, that they would talk crap about you not commiting suicide and giving them an easy kill.
Bro, before coming on the boards to make statements like these, you might try to learn some reversal moves. They are not hard to get down and always give you a fighting chance no matter who has E, or alt. Your last comment about committing suicide is just plain inexperience talking. I "drag" many a guy to their deaths right when they think they have the jump on me. Doesn't matter what plane I am in or what plane they are in, there is an angle to beat most of them! :aok
-
Oh! I almost forgot to laugh at the topic of this post! :rofl :lol
Lets run away! Run, faster! I R teh liver!:eek:
-
When you run in a tempest, slow down a little to let them think they might catch you then turn the power back on. You get more response on 200 that way. :D
-
Originally posted by Kuhn
When you run in a tempest, slow down a little to let them think they might catch you then turn the power back on. You get more response on 200 that way. :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl :cry :rofl
Bronk
-
I have heard it said before that the taunts are for one purpose only:
to get the guy who is escaping mad enough to turn around and get shot down.
its all silly, just play the game.
-
Originally posted by BlkKnit
I have heard it said before that the taunts are for one purpose only:
to get the guy who is escaping mad enough to turn around and get shot down.
its all silly, just play the game.
I used to do this back in the AW days and it worked about 25% of the time. Whatever it took to get the kill.
I don't trash talk anymore. Let em run.
I do have a short story though.
This was about 4-5 months ago. I was in a Spit XVI with some alt and dropped on a Tempest. He ran so I WEP'd and was hanging with him pretty well on the deck just out of gun range. I chased him for about 25-35 miles then reversed in an immelman and hit auto climb, WEP off.
As I climbed out I looked back to see the Temp closing distance on me from about 5K out. I leveled and hit WEP again and as he closed to 3K I looped and HO'd him on the merge as he was running out of steam on his climb.
He should have just kept running.
-
agreed dredger :aok
S!
-
Originally posted by DREDger
To turn would be suicide, no way I am going to out turn fight him even with equal E and position, no way I'm going to surprise him either. Anything but to keep running would be folly, but ...[snip]
.
very much not true.
evidence (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/OMFGtempest.ahf)
the only way to learn how is to bite the bullets and turn back and try.
-
there's nothing wrong with leaving a fight when you are low on ammo or fuel, have damage or a pilot wound, or are just done with the fight. don't let other people get you mad so you will fight the way they want. its your 15 bucks. do what you want with it. of course, turning off ch200 for a while works too.
-
Originally posted by DREDger
And the point I am making is that running is sometimes your only option.
:rofl
Seriously, running is NEVER an option, so don't try too hard to sell it under 'Smart Tactics' label, you'll be ridiculed to no end and you deserve it every little bit.
If you wish to run legally, sign up for Aces High eXtreme Air Racing League (http://hitechcreations.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=278) :aok
-
where do i go to find sign up for that? never heard of it before..link was just forum. ty
-
Originally posted by FTDEEP
where do i go to find sign up for that? never heard of it before..link was just forum. ty
AHEARL (http://ahevents.org/site/content/view/142/162/)
there ya go, oughtta be plenty of info available.
-
To turn would be suicide.....,
I'm not belittling your view so please do not take offense but.... I heartily disagree with you. You are thinking turn fight.... which, if the pilots are relatively matched, yes you would more often lose than win.
Why turn fight?... you mention the 38.. a spectacular plane in the vertical... the Temp's great speed and good climb can create separation. separation = options.. opportunities.
I love dragging a plane, any plane, away from the pile... it's fun to reverse on them when they give up and break off. I have gotten many kills this way.. my favorite being when they grab hard as they give up on you... immel and shoot them in the belly. At the very least your aggression will put you on the initiative.
Steve
-
Lets first make the distinction between exiting and running.
Exiting implies that you're leaving the battle on your terms.
Running implies that you're a scared rabbit with a cougar on your fuzzy little tail.
If you have to run you were proabaly in too deep to begin with and this should give you a clue as to your capabilities in your next engagement.
Anyway, I LIKE runners when I'm 5-10K over them in my Spit XVI. Nothing like the tase of fresh meat!
-
Blukitty's example (http://www.airmafia.com/BluKty_n_me.ahf)
Skyrocks example (http://www.airmafia.com/pj_f4u1.ahf)
-
Originally posted by Mugzeee
Blukitty's example (http://www.airmafia.com/BluKty_n_me.ahf)
MugZ! Excellent flying of you I might start off with! I hate to see ours end like that and I lost where I was at the end with so many friendlies jumping in to "help"! But I am glad that you showed one at higher alt and one at lower. My reversal was an intended rolling scissors even tho my hog was not up to task there at the end! I did get one shot at you and I'm guessing it was a PW. Blukitty, who in my opinion is the absolute best at what you saw her do in your film, will use many more "tricks" to "dodge" or give the attacker a reason to stay where they are believing that a kill shot is just around the corner. SHe hangs so close to the opponents crosshairs that it is hard for them not to stay in and eventually be in front of her! She actually gives you a couple of decent shots but keeps your pony so unstable that it would be hard for most players to settle the nose on her! Again excellent flying and thanks for showing some film of reversals to the folks that think running is an option.
I "run/drag" an opponent for however long it takes to get them one on one. If that can't be achieved and there's two back there, I will try and roll them both. But if it is just one back there, I always see it as my next kill and nothing more! There are times that I would much rather be the one in front at the start than the one pouncing. Lets say if Im in hog and I see a spit, I would much rather give them my six, dive for speed, and then roll them rather than meet them in a head-on merge and have to fight them with their strengths. A hog turns circles around a spit at anything even close to 400mph! Geesh, I have blabbed enuff!
Mark :aok
-
"very much not true.
(an impressive film)
the only way to learn how is to bite the bullets and turn back and try."
Crumbs. You went through all that and almost got killed on the landing pad by a marauding LA7. Perhaps if the Typhoon/Tempest's radiator wasn't so vulnerable people would have more courage when flying them.
-
If you ask me, it's not running that's the problem. It's choosing an airplane that can't do anything but run. Everyone needs to run sometimes, but when you run all the time you're probably a terrible pilot, and you're definitely making the game un-fun for everyone else.
-
Originally posted by SkyRock
I did get one shot at you and I'm guessing it was a PW.
no PW, no damage from your MG's...I did take damage from the field ack...but was a fun fight.
-
Originally posted by Benny Moore
If you ask me, it's not running that's the problem. It's choosing an airplane that can't do anything but run. Everyone needs to run sometimes, but when you run all the time you're probably a terrible pilot, and you're definitely making the game un-fun for everyone else.
We have a winner!
-
Originally posted by DREDger
"Sometimes it is best to run away and live to fight another day"
In AH, I found that sometimes you have to make a run for it, and I see nothing wrong with this. Personally, I like the fly the tempest, cause it's so fast and hard hitting. I especially like to think I can get out of trouple even faster than I get myself into it.
This of course comes with the taunts from the guy(s) chasing me, telling me I'm a scardie cat (or worse) and should turn and fight. I especially like it when say a turn plane (spit) is chasing me about 1k behind when I'm in a typhy or 38. (This is spit that has come in with a 2k advantage, new to the fight and you seen just soon enough to start hauling *** away from him)
To turn would be suicide, no way I am going to out turn fight him even with equal E and position, no way I'm going to surprise him either. Anything but to keep running would be folly, but you continue to hear the channel 200 crap talking about it.
Anyway, I find it absurd when someone has complete advantage, that they would talk crap about you not commiting suicide and giving them an easy kill.
Sorry, bro.... I have no sympathy for you. And if you show me your tempest tail and run from my spit9, you will hear about it on 200. I may not even be a mediocre pilot, but at least I'll fight.
Another group that will hear me on 200 are the ack-huggers, but I can see that as a valid tactic. Most of the crap I type to them is just that, crap.
But if you're in an uber plane and running from a plane with an ENY of 20, then you deserve whatever scorn gets heaped on you. If you're so afraid to wreak your pretty plane, then don't up it.
All I'm reading from you is that you want easy kills.
Coward.
-
Originally posted by TexInVa
Sorry, bro.... I have no sympathy for you. And if you show me your tempest tail and run from my spit9, you will hear about it on 200. I may not even be a mediocre pilot, but at least I'll fight.
Another group that will hear me on 200 are the ack-huggers, but I can see that as a valid tactic. Most of the crap I type to them is just that, crap.
But if you're in an uber plane and running from a plane with an ENY of 20, then you deserve whatever scorn gets heaped on you. If you're so afraid to wreak your pretty plane, then don't up it.
All I'm reading from you is that you want easy kills.
Coward.
Will if said ueber plane is damaged, low on ammo or low on fuel then flying home is verry valid in my opinion. Also when you have not only a spit9 but a horde of enemys on your tail it is not that easy, i might have a slim chance against one enemy plane but as soon as i have to fight 2 or more i am dead meat.
Alot of times i hear " why your run from MY plane xx" while there are also 3 others right behind him and it would have been 4 against one. What do i do? i run home. Might be cowardish to some, but i prefer not to get slaughterd that is less frustration for me.
-
I don't mind people who run, but the runners who bug me are the ones who run from a 1v1 fight on equal footing.
I chased a Lala for about 3 minutes towards his own base, he had more E and we were co-alt. Well he was about 1.5k out and about a minute from his base, I was low on fuel and ammo so I went to go back home and as soon as I did that he turned and started to come back around on me. This irked me so much that I just went nose down right into the water, denying him of a kill, and reupped.
-
I agree with you, there is a time and a place. Disengaging to rtb for fuel or ammo, or disengaging because there are 3-10 of us on your butt is one thing, but I have single-handedly, on-my-own, away-from-anything, chased multiple aircraft that were supposed to be superior to mine all the way home.
Now, extending from me to maneuver is also a valid tactic. I've had plenty do that. They'll move out 1-2K then reverse and engage. Usually ends in decent fight (with me "learning" or dying, however you want to phrase it).
No, if a P-51 or LA-7 or Tempest or any of the other uber-craft run from a one-on-one from me in my spit9, everybody on 200 will hear about it.
-
Originally posted by BaldEagl
I don't trash talk anymore. Let em run.
I lied. Wouldn't ya know the day I post this some guy pisses me off so bad I start trashing him on Ch. 200.
I was in my Spit XVI, had a few kills, out of fuel and gliding home. I had a high con @ ~20K parallelling me the whole glide home. As I glide to a safe landing on the runnway I see that it's a Typh now at about 5-10K. As I come to a stop Boom! Dead!
I was pissed. I immediately jumped back in my Spit to go kill the B*****d, calling him names on Ch. 200.
Guess what? He Ran!
He was faster than me. I couldn't catch him. I kept calling him out to turn and fight like a man. One of my faster countrymen was now chasing him too.
I'm not sure if my fellow Bish killed him or he augered into a mountainside running in fright.
Guess he just caught me at the wrong time. It's not like I've NEVER done something similar but it seemed like such a lame tactic especially diving in from 20K against a landing plane then running without being man enough to fight a real fight.
Go ahead, continue to defend running.
-
Hmm, two topics started by you this week to let us know you HO and you run away...
-
He could have saved a lot of bandwidth by creating a single thread called, "I'm dredger, and if I miss my HO pass, I'm going to run like a frightened little girl".
What a mook.
-
People are supset when they see this thread. Why?
1. You fly to your planes advantage. That means you fly with an advantage and can shoot down other players and not get shot down yourself.
AH chorus: That's not fair! Waaah.
2. You use the features of your plane which puts you at an advantage. HO with a four cannon Typhoon kills others without getting shot down yourself.
AH chorus: That's not fair! Waaah.
3. You run when you lose your advantage. Others have a hard time shooting you down.
AH chorus: That's not fair. Waaah.
Other than chosing a boring way to fly, you should appreciate the grief inflicted on the whiners from not flying like an idiot.
Regards,
Malta
-
Thats a easy fix, never have your radio tuned to channel 200. Saves me many grey hairs.:confused:
-
I agree, turn off 200 and have fun.
-
And the point I am making is that running is sometimes your only option.
Lier! You always have an option! Running isnt always the only option left to you! Look at this picture. Its called dinner!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1024_1167502070_ahss0.jpg)
-
HO with a four cannon Typhoon kills others without getting shot down yourself.
You forgot to mention your holed rad, pilot wound, or other assorted damage. If you are happy limping home with your one kill every flight, this methodology is for you.*
*Well not every flight.. you will be critically damaged sometimes.