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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Telstar on December 29, 2006, 08:04:19 PM
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OK guys, i'm about ready to build a new (dual core) system, got everything except the operating system, but with the imminent release of vista, what should i do about that ?
64 bit windows xp
32 bit windows xp
vista
opinions please?
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Not vista:D
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If you can find the deal, get 32 bit XP Pro or Media Center Edition with the "free" vista upgrade coupon. Once vista matures, you send in $10 and MS gives you a vista CD and license.
I think the version of vista you get with the coupon may depend on the version of XP you get, and with XP home you might only get vista basic which is pretty much just a slow version of XP without any of the new vista stuff...
Either that, or just find the cheapest OEM XP version you can find (32 bit still) and install that. You should be able to get legit OEM versions of XP home for about $89 and XP MCE for about $109.
64 bit... drivers not mature enough and it doesn't really help anything unless you're using a LOT of memory and some very specific 64 bit applications. Vista - why spend money for the privledge of using an immature operating system that no applications need yet? Wait for true DX10 games before going for vista.
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If you really want the bling effect of a 64 bit OS, use a 64 bit version of linux :) Get a second hard drive or partition your primary drive, and dual boot winXP and linux.
Or get a mac...
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If even XP64 driver support isn't done yet, one shouldn't even dream about getting Vista. 2 years from now it might be an option.
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If you want the most stable and best supported, then go with the 32 bit version of XP.
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thanks fellas, 32 bit it is then ;)
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I would stay away from Media Center. I purchased both XP Pro, and Media Center, and finally decided on Media Center, being that I do a lot with pics, and Vids. Wishing I wouldn't have gotten rid of the Pro. It seems that what they don't tell you is that MCE has compatibility issues with some softwares, common software such as Nero. Anyway, you surely cant' go wrong with XP Pro, check out here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116059)
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Fedora Core 6.
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Is there really any advantage for gaming by using 32 bit winxp pro VS home? I always see that people recommend Pro but i figured that it would install unnecessary programs or protocol's that would just have to be disabled anyway. I'm really not sure, thats just my theory. Can anyone tell me and pro's or con's for gaming? thx
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Basically the major difference between XP Home and Pro is that with Pro you can join a domain. Home only supports Workgroups.
Other diff -
XP Home - 1 physical CPU
XP Pro - 2 physical CPU's
In the case of XP treat physical CPU as physical socket on the board. (any number of CPU cores - with SP2 only)
I still prefer Win 2000.
Downside - It doesn't know the difference between physical CPU and cores, so a dual core CPU effectively means you can't use any more, or quad cores with Win 2000.
No fix is planned from MS for this.
What does it mean (minimum OS support)? -
Dual core - XP Home/Pro, Win 2000 Pro
Quad core - XP Home/Pro, Win 2000 Server
Single CPU/socket - XP Home/Pro (unlimited cores), Win 2000 Pro (single or dual core)
Dual CPU/sockets - XP Pro, Win 2000 Pro (single core only), Win 2000 Server (dual core max)
Basically for the Windows 2000 range each core counts as a CPU, XP can tell the diff between a core and CPU so your limit is number of sockets.
Oh and - Vista blows chunks.
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The thing with vista atm seems to be love or hate. Hardocp forums are full of Vista fans and they will not accept any negative remark about it.
Many other places have a totally opposite opinnion. Who to believe?
Maybe the conclusion is that if you're an IT expert with the latest and greatest hardware, Vista might work for you. For an average user it seems to be a nightmare at this development level.
I would probably try Vista unless it had so restrictive DRM built in - and I've been boycoting anything RIAA/MPAA related ever since they started suing people over p2p. I absolutely refuse to buy any hardware with DRM restrictions and naturally same applies to software.
You know, China is a wonderful place to shop from. They sell hardware with hacked DRM systems. I never bought a dvd player with a locked area code for example - I like to shop my DVD's from US. Same goes for macrovision, DVI-outputs etc.
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Originally posted by eagl
If you really want the bling effect of a 64 bit OS, use a 64 bit version of linux :) Get a second hard drive or partition your primary drive, and dual boot winXP and linux.
Or get a mac...
FYI, only some core OS X libraries are 64 bit. Very little if not none of GUI is 64 bit.
Mac's are 64 bit in marketing-speak only.
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Another vote for 32-bit XP Home or Pro.
I tell you, if it weren't for the fact that I need to support people who buy new PCs that come with Vista, or that I had to write about it, I would never touch it.
-Llama
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I feel your pain llama. I really do. I am taking a last few shots at the lottery in the hopes of retiiring before this monster wreaks havoc on the computer kingdom and the poor souls who have to support thier applications running on it (uh, that would be me for one).
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I feel your pain llama. I really do. I am taking a last few shots at the lottery in the hopes of retiiring before this monster wreaks havoc on the computer kingdom and the poor souls who have to support thier applications running on it (uh, that would be me for one).
Heh.
I've been telling people that Vista is a new "make-work" program for the entire IT industry. It's like Microsoft is the new Tenessee Valley Authority. :aok
-Llama
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VISTA, It's like Microsoft is the new Tenessee Valley Authority
LOL thats sig material there hehehe :lol
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Funny how everyone were panicking about y2k and now people are actually waiting for Vista.
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MS did not spend a billion dollars on marketing Vista for nothing.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
MS did not spend a billion dollars on marketing Vista for nothing.
Are you serious? Billion, Like with a B .... holy cow.
I have yet to see marketing of any kind for vista. Where in the world did they apply that billion? Maybe its not the mainstreem media type of advertising?? Or maybe its there and I just havnt noticed. Hmmm
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Part of it has been spent on corporate tours pushing Vista on major corporations and OEM's as well.
The TV stuff starts running this month.
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Are you sure it's only a bilion? ;) I'm so sick of the constant TV commercials and print ads for Vista directed at businesses, I could scream. They've been running TV commercials here for 3 months now. It's just such nonsense. There are no reasons given why a business needs Vista, only happy people running around giving the impression that Vista helps them sell more of whatever it is they're selling and making more money. It insults the intelligence of business people.
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That is what MS announced the advertising budget was for Vista. I suspect they started the campaign in Europe and Asia first. They probably figure that is where they are going to have the highest resistance.
Here in the U.S., businesses which have support contracts with MS have to upgrade in order to keep thier contracts valid. OEM's have to start shipping Vista when MS tells them to as well.
The only markets MS cannot force Vista on, is outside the U.S. and those individuals who build thier own computer. But even those who build will have to upgrade, eventually, as MS will stop shipping XP as soon as they do the full release of Vista. So MS has the U.S. market by the balls with nothing to be concerned about.
Overseas is another story. So they are probably spending most of the ad budget advertising overseas to drive people to Vista.
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Luckily for MS most companies have IT departments that are run by geeks. After that they only have to sell pretty pictures to the executives who see only the pretty marketing. If the exec doublechecks from the geek (who is an early adopter by nature) he'll get confirmation.
Geek gets a new toy, exec a warm fuzzy feeling and MS profit - while end users probably scream in agony with even higher system level restrictions and dependability of the geek department.
Heck I've wasted 3 hours time on a client waiting to reach someone who has authority to create a single share on a server. At $130 an hour that makes it a $390 network share :). Not to mention the cost of loss of 3 hours of personnell training that day.
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Sorry guys, Im moving to vista next weekend.:D
I ordered today:
CORE 2 E6300 1.86GHZ
INTEL "GUARDFISH" VIDEO,DDR2,G-LAN,RAID (BLKDQ965GFEKR)
CLUB 3D X1950 PRO PCIE 512M 2XDVI-I+VIVO
CAVIAR 250GB SATA3GB/S 7200RPM 16MB
4 x CORSAIR DDR2 512MB 675MHZ CL4 ACTIVITYLED
Not sure which version I install, Business or Ultimate.. propably ultimate...
:D
:aok
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Sorry guys, Im moving to vista next weekend.:D
I ordered today:
CORE 2 E6300 1.86GHZ
INTEL "GUARDFISH" VIDEO,DDR2,G-LAN,RAID (BLKDQ965GFEKR)
CLUB 3D X1950 PRO PCIE 512M 2XDVI-I+VIVO
CAVIAR 250GB SATA3GB/S 7200RPM 16MB
4 x CORSAIR DDR2 512MB 675MHZ CL4 ACTIVITYLED
Not sure which version I install, Business or Ultimate.. propably ultimate...
:D
:aok
Good that you're sorry now because it will only double when you boot up to Vista :rofl
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
That is what MS announced the advertising budget was for Vista. I suspect they started the campaign in Europe and Asia first. They probably figure that is where they are going to have the highest resistance.
Here in the U.S., businesses which have support contracts with MS have to upgrade in order to keep thier contracts valid. OEM's have to start shipping Vista when MS tells them to as well.
The only markets MS cannot force Vista on, is outside the U.S. and those individuals who build thier own computer. But even those who build will have to upgrade, eventually, as MS will stop shipping XP as soon as they do the full release of Vista. So MS has the U.S. market by the balls with nothing to be concerned about.
Overseas is another story. So they are probably spending most of the ad budget advertising overseas to drive people to Vista.
Oh, I don't doubt they announced $1 billion, but it feels like $1 trillion! I think all assemblers are in a similar vice - install our OS exclusively, or you'll pay dearly trying to get it at all. Consumers get forced to it anyway, but I suspect MS is worried that corporate migration is going to be slow. The receivables from bulk licenses will be slow and that is a huge chunk of change.
What company wants to pay for the agony of a complete system change, including the new/upgraded hardware to support it, and transition cost to productivity, if there isn't a measurable improvement in doing so?
We're all a little tired of that old snake oil line: "Improved productivity." :mad:
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after you get done dumping the $$$ on ultimate vista 64 ...and find out it doesnt like games ... .... oh well .... you have a nice office OS with lots of bling bling .
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Is Vista a way for MS to force PC gamers to look at the Xbox ? If its going to be such a hog i wouldnt put it past them to try and pull something like this . Come on Google !
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Part of it has been spent on corporate tours pushing Vista on major corporations and OEM's as well.
The TV stuff starts running this month.
...and demos like this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472&q=ms+voice