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Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on December 29, 2006, 09:35:12 PM: Erich Hartmann's G14 of Stab JG52, Merry Christmas Hammer!
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on December 29, 2006, 09:36:15 PM: Top View
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Post by: Fencer51 on December 29, 2006, 09:36:52 PM: Underside view
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Post by: Fencer51 on December 29, 2006, 09:37:51 PM: Ahhh geeez the yellow fusalage band is not lined up, strange it didnt show that in the skin viewer...

Btw, suppose we can get an updated skin viewer for the New Year?

Also the nose is supposed to be whiter than that, again it shows different in the skin viewer.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Krusty on December 30, 2006, 01:46:55 AM: Didn't he also have a winter G-6? So few G-6 skins now (*hint hint*)

I've noticed color and light differences with the skin viewer v. in-game. I only use it for fine tuning, I check it all in-game, always.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Reynolds on December 30, 2006, 01:57:48 AM: Thats real pretty. Great looking skin! Now we need more greys, and yellow-noses.
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Post by: Reynolds on December 30, 2006, 02:09:14 AM: Also, the right front wingtip is missing. The left is red but the right just isnt there.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on December 30, 2006, 04:11:16 AM: Thats called a green light Reynolds... its there.

Krusty, I have a few more G6s I would like to do, I have a JG27 bird almost done.
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Post by: Treize69 on December 30, 2006, 07:20:45 AM: How come the red nav light is half the size of the green one?
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: killnu on December 30, 2006, 07:48:47 AM: dang that looks familiar...nice.
http://chris.photosite.com/HartmannG14AcesHigh/ (http://chris.photosite.com/HartmannG14AcesHigh/)
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on December 30, 2006, 12:02:15 PM: Whoops, I didn't see it in Aces High's Skin site so I didn't know it had already been done. Hope I didn't violate an unwritten rule or anything. Or is that a G6 or G10 from the last version of the 109?
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Post by: Fencer51 on December 30, 2006, 12:20:15 PM: Whoops, didn't reallize that Raven had already done this one. But it's not in the game and he did it in April?

So what should I do? Finish this and submitt it or bail off and wait for him to do so?
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Post by: hammer on December 30, 2006, 01:03:58 PM: (http://www.kitparade.com/features00/images/images_4/hartmanncs_1.jpg)
Change it to a camoflauged version? :D

BTW, thanks!
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Post by: killnu on December 30, 2006, 01:39:44 PM: Id finish and submit...Nraven has not been around for some time...last time he was on here, he said he had submitted but got no response back, iirc. either way, the work is done, its not in game...and should be in game.

any chance to dirty it up some?

thanks for all hard work there fencer...many good looking skins you have done.

~S~
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Post by: Krusty on December 30, 2006, 01:43:22 PM: I also have not seen raven for some time. Considering it was done in April, and we've had a skin pack or two released since then, I'm guessing it wasn't accepted.

Please do submit it, Fencer!
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on December 30, 2006, 03:19:52 PM: Right I will do so. Thanks Guys.

Krusty, I do need to dirty it up some more. I wanted to get a few comments on it and it's whiteness before covering it all in dirt.

I did find one source on this white G6. I could do that one as well if there is interest.

Hammer, Ok I will do that one as well... sheesh. I just wanted to make it easy for you to be seen in the Furballs. That way I don't draw as much attention in the ole rednosed Mustang.

Killnu, appreciate the comments. I am looking for K4s to do. I have found some references to a red nosed tulip version of the K4 that was found by Americans when JG52 surrendered. Anyone have any info on this one?
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: killnu on December 30, 2006, 03:36:18 PM: I can look...but...its not the red nosed tulip one from JG52 in game already is it?
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Post by: killnu on December 30, 2006, 03:46:20 PM: have you seen this yet?
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/459/2/0/17 (http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/459/2/0/17)
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Post by: killnu on December 30, 2006, 03:55:43 PM: http://users.hol.gr/~nowi/luftprof/jg52/jg52.html (http://users.hol.gr/~nowi/luftprof/jg52/jg52.html)
some profiles...im partial to the hartmann K4.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Reynolds on December 31, 2006, 02:49:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Fencer51
Thats called a green light Reynolds... its there.

Hey, be nice. In that top picture, it looks exactly like the trees in the backround.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: hammer on December 31, 2006, 09:33:13 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Fencer51
...Hammer, Ok I will do that one as well... sheesh.

Fence, as long as one gets in for the G-14, I'm happy. Was just offering an alternative in case you decided to stop work on the one you were doing.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
...I just wanted to make it easy for you to be seen in the Furballs. That way I don't draw as much attention in the ole rednosed Mustang...

:D I'm already the one doing the conga line of red behind my fleeing plane! I thought that was my job?

BTW, Happy New Year to all!
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Post by: weazely on December 31, 2006, 02:46:50 PM: how do u guys really do skins i have a photo editor but i just cant make every thing come toegther....is it just practice or am i not seeing something?

<~~> weazely~~
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on December 31, 2006, 08:58:03 PM: Final Review before submittal Tomorrow Evening. I will be adding more oil leakage around the engine. Sorta thinking it will be muddy in the Winter in the Russian Steppe, so I muddied up the wing area where the crew and pilot were walking.
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Post by: Fencer51 on December 31, 2006, 08:58:36 PM: Second View
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Post by: Fencer51 on December 31, 2006, 08:59:09 PM: Top View
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Post by: Reynolds on December 31, 2006, 11:25:57 PM: Brilliant, but shouldnt the muddied area be more smeared (due to the aircraft;s speed blowing the mud back) and less spotted?
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Post by: Stoney74 on January 01, 2007, 02:18:04 AM: Prop spinner looks awfully clean...
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Post by: Reynolds on January 01, 2007, 02:47:04 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Stoney74
Prop spinner looks awfully clean...

Yeah, good point. I didnt notice that...
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Krusty on January 01, 2007, 11:48:07 AM: Not much poing in weathering a prop. It's not visible when spinning. Also I don't think many planes really had chipped paint or oil streaks on the spinner. If anything it would leak out under the gap between spinner and nose.
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Post by: Stoney74 on January 01, 2007, 11:27:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
Not much poing in weathering a prop. It's not visible when spinning. Also I don't think many planes really had chipped paint or oil streaks on the spinner. If anything it would leak out under the gap between spinner and nose.

Maybe some bugs or bird poop?
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: killnu on January 01, 2007, 11:28:55 PM: wouldnt the spinner have some residue from the cannon blasting away?
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Stoney74 on January 01, 2007, 11:33:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by killnu
wouldnt the spinner have some residue from the cannon blasting away?

I guess the crew chief left a clean spot...
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on January 02, 2007, 10:48:53 AM: Just what do you gentlemen think would be visable on a item that is rotating at over 1200 rpm? And how long would it stay there without being flung off? What smoke would "stick" when its rotating and being subjected to high longitudual speed and airflow as well? That some heavy duty smoke, hope it doesn't slow the plane too much when it runs into it.

I think the gunsmoke on the wings are overdone on alot of skins, but people expect to see that smoke there.
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Post by: killnu on January 02, 2007, 01:07:46 PM: yea, good point...planes flying over 300mph...should never be dirt on them...plane gets cleaned every flight.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Fencer51 on January 02, 2007, 06:26:13 PM: Look, I will handle all sarcasm on this thread thank you. :p

I been doing some digging. I finally found a photo, in lieu of paintings and models, of this plane in Aircraft of the Luftwaffe Fighter Aces Vol 2. It is actually a I/JG53 aircraft. Also the nose is without residue (thats dirt) in it's stopped state. There is overspray on the props from painting the nose. Although whomever took the picture could have asked all the suckups to move out of the way. It also has some streaks of a grey color on the fusalage... interesting.

Now, I also found a G2 with a white nose that has gun smoke residue (slight) around the nose cannon. I stand corrected in my statement above. :eek:

So, I will see what I can do about the nose. I expect that any smoke shown will be impossible to see when its rotating. :aok
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Stoney74 on January 02, 2007, 08:08:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Fencer51
Look, I will handle all sarcasm on this thread thank you. :p

Sorry. Didn't mean for it to be a dig on your work or effort. I was actually making the first suggestion in all sincerity. The other posts were meant to be humorous replies to some of the other replies...

My actual plane gets bugs on the spinner all the time. And there are some nicks in the paint where the screws get removed for inspections and the like. I just thought the spinner looked a little "pristine" versus the rest of the plane, which looks like it has a realistic level of weathering/dirt.
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: killnu on January 02, 2007, 09:43:16 PM: I was being sarcastic...not digging at work, god only knows he has more talent than I ever dream of having...it was a suggestion in sarcastic form.:aok
Title: JG52 Bf109-G14
Post by: Krusty on January 03, 2007, 01:52:15 PM: Hey Fencer, about the grey colors on the fuselage and the white G-2 nose:

maybe the white is just wearing away? The white color often was temporary for the winter season, and even if it wasn't the white distemper white-wash, it would still be a temporary paint of coat. The grey on the fuselage might be a bleed-through of the colors underneath.

Wild guess, but because the nose IS the first thing into the wind, maybe the G2's discoloration is an old paint color showing through as well?

For the most part, earlier in the war (from the beginning into the middle era) the 109s were well cleaned by ground crews. Compare photos of 109s to photos of 110s. 109s have very little exhaust staining (for the most part) but the lesser 110 squadrons have huge black smears stretching far across them, starting from the exhaust points. Same engines, just less preferential treatment by ground crews.

I'd think most basic gun residue stains were cleaned off after a sortie. A quick wipedown I imagine, but can only guess. FYI they do the same with F-16s today because the residue is highly corrosive and can damage the skin of the aircraft.