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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on December 30, 2006, 12:00:05 AM
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In the spirit of the holidays, I made a very kind humanitarian gesture tonight. I gave a man I'd never met before free room and board for an indefinite period of time.
As most of you guys (and girls) know, I am Manager of a grocery store. We offer check cashing as a service to our customers. I also handle the hot checks we have to deal with (and they anger me to no end) so I am always on the look out for anything odd or funky about a check we cash.
Tonight, right before we closed customer service, a young guy came in and wanted to cash his payroll check. He hands me the check and his ID and immediately I knew something was wrong. He did not have his regular drivers license, only a paper reciept from his renewal. This alone is not unusual, we see them off and on when someone has lost their ID or had their license suspended but the appearance of this reciept was odd. It was blurry, the fonts did not match and the type was not aligned across the entire document and there was some sort of plastic laminate over it. No question about it, fake ID.
Now I look at the check, it is worn and wrinkled like he had been carrying it in his pocket for a week. I had never heard of the drilling company before and I know most local employers from seeing their checks come thru the store. I look at the bank it's drawn on, same bank I use, but the routing number is wrong. The paycheck is for $463.00, even. The company is in Weatherford, about 50 miles away, but the bank is local.
Luckily the phone starts ringing. I tell the guy "Just a sec, I'll be right back." I walk behind the partition where the phone is, out of sight of the man, pick up the ringing line, put it on hold and call the police on the other line.
I tell the dispatcher what is going on and to get me an officer over here asap. I walk back to the window and start playing "country dumb". I ask him where they are working at and he says out by the lake. "Oh, really? I got a nephew that lives out that way. He's telling me there's oil rigs popping up left and right. Your rig been out there long?" Guy replies "Uh, no. We just moved it in."
"Well that's cool. At least ya got to wait till after Christmas to make the move. Where ya from?" I ask. "Weatherford" he replies.
"Oh, what's your address, I forgot I'm suppossed to write it on there."
"803 West Sycamore"
The check and ID say 603 West Sycamore. But, I write what he tells me on the check. Now he starts relaxing a bit because it looks like I'm about to cash it for him.
"So ya seen any deer out there on the lake? Ya know The last time I went out there..." and I go off into a hunting story knowing I can stretch this into a few minutes easy without the guy getting suspicious.
A couple minutes pass and the phone rings again, it's the dispatcher asking if the guy is still there. I tell her yes, and give her a description of what he's wearing. She says the officers are in the store and for me to go to them. I walk back over, pick up the check and ID and tell the guy "I got to get my Manager to OK this, I'll be right back."
I walk out of the booth and see 2 officers to either side of me. I walk over to the closest one and the other 3 move in.
Book 'em, Dano!:rofl
They search him and find 2 more checks for the exact same amount. The odd thing was when they ran the ID it came back to the name on the checks and ID. The guy had some sort of identity theft thing going on as well.
The last time I saw him he was being handcuffed and put into the back of a patrol car. He gave me a go to hell look, I smiled and waved back to him. "Ya'll come back now, ya hear?" :cool:
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WTG!
Hope that theiving scumbag shares a cell with a big muscular guy named "Santa's Helper" :rofl
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LOL that guy= 0wned. I was wondering when your hospitality you mentioned would come in, and then I realized what you did, clever. How many of those a month would you say you get and do you ever get any repeat offenders?
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We usually get 2 or 3 a year that are bogus. They will try and cash one. If it works they send someone else in later to cash another one. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the guys car = pwnd. I think he had some drugs in the car because the cops were looking thru an open window and laughing their arse off pointing at something. They were still there when I left tearing the car apart.
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wtg great story, thanks for posting it.
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Isn't it great when the system works. Civilians in the community are the absolute best crime watch force going.
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nice job RPM
:D
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In the meantime I'm STILL on hold! :furious
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good work...
rig pig. check for 463 dollars. thats suspicious in itself.
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All this happend during the bad weather yesterday?:confused:
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WTFG rpm. Admirable community service!
A somewhat related story - I awoke at 2:30AM this morning to the shrill of a squadron of battery backups (I like my home LAN and have it well protected) and a car horn blaring. A walk outside revealed a utility pole down across the road, wires everywhere, a small red car with its nose bashed in by the base of the pole, and a drunk stumbling around in the road.
A little while later the drunk left escorted by a couple of the local yokels. I reckon he slept it off and was arraigned for DWI this morning. I hope my phone call helped (I didn't work as hard as rpm but its the spirit that counts, eh?)
This morning, after the various utility crews left, I walked over to inspect their work. I found this:
(http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/drunk%20memorial_12-30-06.JPG)
Ya gotta love a utility crew with a sense of humor! :)
culero
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Yep. It was right before 9pm last night. I have to go burn a copy of the surveilence video for the police when I go in tonight. Everything went very smooth, but I was worried about my other employees. I had 3 girls and 2 boys under 17 working in the store. I did'nt tell them anything while it was happening because I was afraid they might do something to tip the guy off and possibly put themselves in harm's way.
After it was over, one of the cashiers turned to me and said "That was awesome! I want to do the next one!!" I was just glad no one got hurt.
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LOL, Culero. That's funny.
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Yeah, I kinda LMAO a while before going for the camera :)
culero
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Well done. :aok
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great job rpm!
sounds like you're teaching some civic responsibility to the next generation too.
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That was the best story I've read in a long time. When I was a manager for Office Depot no way in hell they'd let me do anything like that. At most if I ID'd the scam as fake I'd have to ask the customer to leave. But this, this was a great moment where the criminal doesn't get away.
As Gus Grissolm would have said, "****in' A, bubba!"
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:aok
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:) rpm is my hero!
WTG man!
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my first job ever was as a sacker in a grocery store. (some call em baggers in other regions i think)
we used to take everyones groceries out to their cars...standard, no questions asked.
alot has changed since then.
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Originally posted by JB88
my first job ever was as a sacker in a grocery store. (some call em baggers in other regions i think)
we used to take everyones groceries out to their cars...standard, no questions asked.
alot has changed since then.
Me also, but it was my third job....
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Originally posted by JB88
my first job ever was as a sacker in a grocery store. (some call em baggers in other regions i think)
we used to take everyones groceries out to their cars...standard, no questions asked.
alot has changed since then.
The only place you see that now is on base at the Commissary.
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Originally posted by Maverick
The only place you see that now is on base at the Commissary.
good for them.
i always liked that kind of service.
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Originally posted by Maverick
The only place you see that now is on base at the Commissary.
That's because commisary baggers work for tips only.
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Well done rpm! :aok
Ive busted my fair share of good and bad fake id's, and sent some poor kids off to get their future ruined by getting document fraud stamped in their records.
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Way to go, RPM.
Its nice to see a business that's alert to such things. From the banking end of it, we see a lot of people who are victims from so many things out there. You'd be amazed to know the average amount of money stolen in a armed holdup versus a phishing scam.
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Originally posted by Maverick
The only place you see that now is on base at the Commissary.
Or at my store. ;)
We still have "sackers" that carry out to the car for you and some of the boys do very well in tips. We do it to provide "superior customer service" and to keep track of our shopping carts. You would be surprised how many people refuse this service and carry their own groceries. I blame WalMart and self-service gas stations. They have trained people to do their own service and feel uncomfortable when someone offers to do it for them.
We also still provide home delivery one day a week for senior citizens and the handicapped. We do it every Wednesday (first day of the new sale) so they get first pick of the specials.
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Originally posted by rpm
Or at my store. ;)
We still have "sackers" that carry out to the car for you and some of the boys do very well in tips. We do it to provide "superior customer service" and to keep track of our shopping carts. You would be surprised how many people refuse this service and carry their own groceries. I blame WalMart and self-service gas stations. They have trained people to do their own service and feel uncomfortable when someone offers to do it for them.
We also still provide home delivery one day a week for senior citizens and the handicapped. We do it every Wednesday (first day of the new sale) so they get first pick of the specials.
Remember that post I made about idiots that can't bag correctly anymore or even set the bags in the car with care? That's why I refuse carry outs. Not that I wouldn't like it, it's that I'd like my eggs and bread squish free.
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Originally posted by rpm
Or at my store. ;)
We still have "sackers" that carry out to the car for you and some of the boys do very well in tips. We do it to provide "superior customer service" and to keep track of our shopping carts. You would be surprised how many people refuse this service and carry their own groceries. I blame WalMart and self-service gas stations. They have trained people to do their own service and feel uncomfortable when someone offers to do it for them.
We also still provide home delivery one day a week for senior citizens and the handicapped. We do it every Wednesday (first day of the new sale) so they get first pick of the specials.
I see it more as need then want. For example, my time spent in a grocery market was literally next to one of the largest retirement communities in eastern PA. We had a lot of old people coming through.
Most old people didn't take us up on our offer to carry the bags out because they knew that there were other old people who did need it because they were slipping physically.
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i dont think i would ever call the cops on someone for something that trivial.
dont get me wrong, its a good story, and well played by you.
just something in me would have wanted to tell him that he has 2 mins to GTFO of here before the cops come and ruin his life.
maybe im assuming that i would be working for a company in this situation. maybe if i owned the store i might want to bust him good.
dunno, just seems to me that a quick smile, a 'WTF are you doing' look, and a deadline before the cops gets there would have been my choice.
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I think if I was lazys i'd say you're a nanny. I'm not so I won't and willl just think it.
Fraud and identity theft are big deals. I used to do just that working for an insurance company and hang them just like saddam as far as i'm concerned. too many ruined lives over it and for 463 or whatever dollars it just seems so stupid to hurt families the way they do.
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Yeah, I remember Diablo. We actually train our kids, but sometimes slip-up's still happen. I gladly replace any damage.
B@tfink, The guy WAS trying to take money out of MY pocket. My bonus is tied to how many bad checks I take. My job performance is tied to it as well. I have no simpathy for a thief. I have had more than my share of thefts both personal and professional. Any chance I get at payback is pennies from heaven.
Telling the guy the cops are on the way is becoming an accomplice to a crime. I sure hope you never work for me or any business near me. Seriously, you are just letting him run down the street and steal from some other innocent person. The guy is not Robin Hood, he's a thief and probably a drug addict. He will get the social help he needs to break the cycle while he is incarcerated and moreso later on parole. He will have to pass drug tests and keep a steady job or he will go back to jail.
If he's broke and his kids are hungry, I can get him free food. I'm not giving him free money.
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RPM: right you are sir, and as i said, had it been my own personal store i might be more inclined to bust him.
i do not disagree with your actions and it sounds like you played it as cool as a poker master in a $100,000 hand
very well done :aok
edit: my post may have seemed like an attack on your actions, my apologies i only ever intend to share my personal opinions (often very misguided ones) and in no way was i hinting that you did the wrong thing.
you did the right thing and you did it with 110% skill, something that a large proportion of folk dont have the quick mind to accomplish.
Golfer: go ahead an think it. i've never been a 'good, upstanding, law abiding citizen' and i do not intend to start now.
hell, i'll go ahead and admit im a criminal in many minor cases.
rape my sister: im going to kill you, not call the cops.
try to blag some money out of a shop with a fake ID: i'll just laugh at you and tell you to stop being a retard before you screwup your life even further.
only time in my life i have called the cops was about 4 years ago when a maniac stole an ambulance somewhere near Guildford at about 2am. I was riding my KH-125 lawn mower bike down to see a girlfriend and this avacado came screeching round a corner in the middle of the road and forced me to swerve up onto the curb and crash into a bush at about 15mph.
i called the cops on that bastard and i hope he got busted.
theres just something inherantly wrong about 'near death by maniac ambulance driver' that got me pissed off.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
this avacado came screeching round a corner in the middle of the road and forced me to swerve up onto the curb and crash into a bush at about 15mph.
i called the cops on that bastard and i hope he got busted.
haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
Guess thats just a difference between "you" and "us"
RPM took matters into his own hands when something like that can go downhill very quickly. He did everything right and justice was served. Giving a pass to a thief of any level is the wrong thing to do. Too bad we don't have the death penalty for tha.t
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Goodness, B@tfink. While you may have been hoping that we'd all see you as "just a good ol' boy, never doin' no harm" and "just a little bit more than the law allows", instead you come across as a ethically empty small time thief.
You would only stop a thief who was robbing your store if you owned the store yourself? It's ok for him to take money from OTHER people and ruin OTHER people's lives through identity theft?
One of the movies we recently had on endless repeat (2 and 4 year old boys, that's how it is) was 'Barnyard'. One little line in there that I'm reminded of is this:
"A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others."
You're definitely not a stronger man.
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i have never seen it as my duty to protect anyone but my loved ones.
please read my post above to see that i highly commend RPM for his quick thinking and talented acting
for me personaly (thats the bit you might be finding hard to get) a coke head or bad gambler that tried to steal my money is something to laugh about as the chances of him pulling that scam off on me are next to none. a maniac who almost kills me on the road has already affected me, he scratched my bike.
now....if said petty thief/gambler/addict leaves my store after i laugh at him, goes on to rob the store next door, then it affects me in no different a way than if he went to jail. the poor shop owner he scamed needs to learn not to let that happen again. If i had relations with the local community, i would alert them to this fellow and let them fend for themselves.
now......... if said petty thief/gambler/addict leaves my store and goes on to steal an ambulance and run me off the road, killing me, then maybe not reporting him was a bad idea and i may try to send a quick email from hell to you guys to let you know i was wrong.
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Is this an example of what the increasingly nanny-ish laws of England are producing? Is B@tfink an example of what a society that expects the government to do all the heavy lifting for him produces? Are we just a few years from seeing that over here as a side effect of the crazy sprint we're in to get rid of any remnants of personal responsibility?
Jury, your honor, I present my evidence. The above poster. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Goodness, B@tfink. While you may have been hoping that we'd all see you as "just a good ol' boy, never doin' no harm" and "just a little bit more than the law allows", instead you come across as a ethically empty small time thief.
lol if you say so, i really love your assumptions about 'me wanting you to think'. Only a complete pawn or egotistic looser gives there opinion and taylors it to make sure other think well of them before speaking the mind's own full truth. I dont give a rats arse what you think of me but if you like me i wont complain.
i havnt stolen anything since i was caught trying to steal a porno mag with a friend from a newsagents when i was about 12 years old. i have never commited any crime that has hurt another living being.
You would only stop a thief who was robbing your store if you owned the store yourself? It's ok for him to take money from OTHER people and ruin OTHER people's lives through identity theft?
you have no clue what a 'ruined life' is if you think losing a few bucks is 'ruined'
he wasnt 'robbing the store' he was trying to scam a few notes. he wsnt an armed nutter with a 12gauge and a black mask, he was a weak minded fool who wanted to 'steal' without the risk of taking anything by force.
anyhow, i still stopped him stealing from me. not only that but i gave him a chance to change his ways without being labld as a criminal. most likely he will go try to rob someone else, in which case a fine gentleman such as yourself may be around to do 'the right thing' for everybody.
"A strong man stands up for himself, a stronger man stands up for others."
You're definitely not a stronger man.
as usualy you cast your brand out with wild eyes and a forked tounge from a possition of almighty righteousness.
I have stood up for many people and many causes, often with no chance of reward, and great detriment to my 'reputation'. i do this because i feel they deserve it.
on the other hand you are the man who thinks he is standing for something worthwhile. you're not standing up for anything but the most obvious cause. no imagination there sadly. you are standing up for the law.
had you considered that this poor apple of an individual that needs this money might not be so different to you.
you would be amazed what you change into when you lose your 'saftey net lifestyle' and find yourself in the gutter with no way of finding your next meal let alone living through the freezing winter night.
sure, he may have been a low life drug addict.
he may have a story, he may be more despeate than you will ever know with your central heating and monthly bills all easily covered......enough so 'you and the wife' can afford to go out right after christmas and buy a brand new games console to sit on your $1000 leather sofa infront of your $3000 plasma screen TV playing super mario brothers and laughing at the dregs of society who should 'just get a job and be like me'
what if your perfectly raised child found themself in need of money and desperate enough to steal it......would you call the cops on your own kid or would you try to discipline them yourself?
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Is this an example of what the increasingly nanny-ish laws of England are producing? Is B@tfink an example of what a society that expects the government to do all the heavy lifting for him produces? Are we just a few years from seeing that over here as a side effect of the crazy sprint we're in to get rid of any remnants of personal responsibility?
Jury, your honor, I present my evidence. The above poster. Thank you.
you're so good chairboy, i hope your government truly appreciates your helpfull nature, and when you get old and grey i hope they give you a nice little pension to die on.
if i saw an old lady in my village getting mugged i would physically step in and lose my life to defend the old stranger who i never knew.
what you fail to see, my self righteous noble community member, is that your leaders and police forces are populated with criminals far more than your shops and streets.
essentially, you are reporting a criminal who has no power to a possible criminal who has vast power.
someone is laughing at you.
you're just acting as the eyes, ears....and handcuffs for the criminals that you are too foolish to see, not only that but you do it free of charge and feel good about it.
the only real rules to life that i follow, that you can be certain will be returned to you, is to look out for number one and trust no one who has control over anything important.
but i wouldnt expect the average 'sheep in the flock' to be able to think that far outside the square, and i thought you were quite bright.
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please note: all the above text is not an attack on RPM or his actions, as should be quite clear by now. this is a direct response to a personal attack that i see as being far below the belt and way far off the mark.
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None taken.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
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quack quack quack quack quack quack quack
Lots of typing there, feeling a bit defensive?
BTW, I wouldn't get a Plasma, didn't you see that I'd recommend DLP?
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quack?
this is a forum for debate, no? seems you dont like to 'debate'. you like to accuse, run away, then come back and make duck jokes because you have no clue how to deal with the thoughts of someone so different to you.
if you feel no need to continue your line of debate then so be it, but your last post is just childish and cowardly....have to hand it to you though, your diversions from the obvious topic in question are subtle and calculated.
defensive? oh so let me see you have called me a small time thief, not a strong enough man to deffend someone else, a nanny and best of all 'evidence' that England is crap.....and im not supposed to become defensive? LOLS @ you.
i particularly like the part where you accuse me of 'letting the government do the heavy work for me'. so there i am taking a criminal matter into my own hands and offering a chance for a correction in the perps life choices without the need to involve the local authority....and there you are instantly discarding the problem into the hands of the police and prison services.....and you have the nerve to tell me I am the one who lets the government do the work for me.
personaly i feel i have hijacked RPMs topic more than enough by now, and what started as a means for congratulations and possible light hearted debate about criminal ethics.
feel free to make a '3 jihadists enter a bar and the barman says...' joke instead of directly answering me :aok
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Bat, you have to understand. Across the pond here we're a little freakin' tired of criminals actually having more rights then victims. That's what I experienced at Office Depot. What RPM did is the exception, not the norm. I makes me glad that any POS trying to work the system gets busted. I don't care how small or harmless it may seem, all punks need to get busted; be they crackheads or politicians.
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Bat,
Don't take it too personally, but you're really coming across as a great example of "everything that is wrong with the UK". The US is creeping in that direction, but we still have some hotheads in the population that consider anti-social behavior to be everyone's problem, not just the immediate victim of each individual crime.
You'll turn in a thief if he almost runs you over, but if it doesn't affect you immediately then you'll let him continue free to harm others? Even though when that thief harms others and it eventually harms you through increased insurance rates or higher prices at stores he's stolen from, you would still rather let him go because he isn't immediately affecting you?
That is a nearly perfect example of why the UK is going to hell... It's a purely shortsighted and selfish attitude, and it's led to a whole underclass of criminals that are turning the UK into a cesspool. I've experienced this firsthand... Everyone knows that burglars in Cambridge go door to door profiling the houses, but nobody does anything because they were there to turn them away. But then someone's house get burgaled. Does anyone do anything the next time their house gets checked out? No, they just buy a stronger lock and whine about the kids these days, hoping that someone else will deal with the problem and hoping their locks will hold better than their neighbors. But it's not just the kids doing it, the locks don't hold forever, and the govt isn't going to be able to do anything as long as the decent population gives the criminals a pass.
The year before I moved to Cambridge, it was the guy next door to where I lived that got robbed. 2 weeks before I moved out, it was my turn. Even after the burglary, the cops were suprised at how involved I was in the investigation. I guess most people in Cambridge, even after being robbed, still consider it to be "someone else's problem" and don't really care.
As for other posters calling you a small time thief, you said it yourself in an earlier post that you're on the wrong side of the law on similarly petty things...
i've never been a 'good, upstanding, law abiding citizen' and i do not intend to start now.
hell, i'll go ahead and admit im a criminal in many minor cases.
So you occasionally commit crimes, you think that's ok, but you're not a petty criminal? Should I ask you what you did with my 42" hitachi? Or maybe you just gave the thief a pass because it wasn't your house he broke into?
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It wasn't too long ago in the US when if you saw someone riding a stolen horse and didn't do something about it, you might get hung right along with the horse thief.
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diablo: good point and i understand your side of t.
eagl: no offence taken.
petty criminal? sure thing. i smoke a bit of weed, thus helping the dealers to get rich. i drive 45mph in a 40mph zone. when the bank screws up and credits me by mistake i will hopefully withdraw the money before they can corect it. when i need a song i'll readily go ahead and burn a copy from a mate rather than buy it from a shop. when a group of local lads that i know ask me to go and buy them some beer from the offlicence because they are only 17 years old i may just help them out if i know them and i have time.
petty thief? no sir.
the problems with the UK? come on now, lets be honest, the problems are not caused by anything other than todays lifestyles.
big cities. big business. big money. big people. small minds
all of the above lead to a society that cares for nothing but its own agenda.
in a small village, a thief is quickly branded and outcast in the same way it would have happened 400 years ago. possibly without having an arm chopped off these days but still the same social methods.
far from being selfish, my line here is that ive called his bluff, ive stopped the robbery, and ive given the perp a chance to change without paying the full price. shelfish maybe to the next person that gets robbed. over generous to the perp for sure.
'somebody elses problem'
while seemingly true in this case, i would beg to deny that being my motives. ive already said i would do everything in my imediate power to warn my community.
if this was about a murder, a rape, child molesting....i would be right out the door with the mind to head right down the police station and let them know. a crackhead trying to scam a few bucks? no. (again, please disasociate these thoughts from RPMS situation. i'm certainly not saying he did anything other than a smart, brave and community spirited thing. all credit where it is due. he is a better man than me for the effort he has put in for his local area, and nothing i say is an attempt to take that away.)
i live in a village on the outskirts of the suburban sprawl of London. walking home from town takes 30 mins and 90% is right down a straight main road. i regularly walk home from my girlfriends house at 4am and never take anything valuable because history has taught me that i will most likely be mugged on the way. ive been mugged at knife point and walked away with no mind to call the police. they will never respond in time to catch the guys red handed, and they will never care enough to follow the leads up and hunt them down. even if they somehow do catch the two salamanders that mugged me, two more are waiting round the corner to snatch the available 'turf' for thier 'work'. with the first two muggers in action, the second two do not commit crimes in that area because they will get beaten down like a male lion trying to take over the pride. this is human nature. If i take the dominat males off the circuit, i only open the gap for the weaker criminals to start working that spot.
It is a never ending cycle and unfortunately the rate at which people are being locked up is far slower than the rate at which criminals are born into the world.
stop the murderer and you have done a semi justice to the murdered, and maybe stopped future murders.
stop a petty criminal that will only open the door for the hierachy to move up a level is hardly worth the 2 hours you will spend trying to get the police to give a watermelon and more than likely to earn you an enemy that has nothing to lose and finds the idea of revenge quite enjoyable.
if they were going to lock them away and throw away the key, maybe its worth it, but they wont. the perps will be out on bail the same day and commiting crimes within a few hours of release. no different an outcome to just telling them to **** off. if they are going to change as a human being it wont come from being locked up. possibly the generous kindness i may display in letting them run off with thier tail between thier legs will be more likely to change them than calling 'the pigs' on them.
in my opinion, the governments and people in control are the biggest criminals on the planet. the claim to be capable of running the lives of millions of lifeforms for the 'better of all'.
bullchit.
they do thier 'job' to earn money for themselves. if they were desperate, straving, drug crazed and freezing to death they would rapidly become criminals to survive.
putting one crack head behind bars is not going to change the sick and twisted way humanity has been run for 4000 years.
i fully understand your points, and i think most people in Cambridge are over paid upper class tosspots who wouldnt touch a criminal for fear of being infected with a common man's stench.
the true English community enjoys a good tar and feather just the same as any folk.
I dont like the first world, i dont like the way humans have evolved, i dont like humanity, i dont like the governments, i dont like england or america equally, i dont like wars, i dont like most people and most of all i dont like raw tomatoes, they make me sick.
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Back in the day I would get guys that would shuffle in during the night shift at the service station with some grime caked cheque (with a womans name), no ID, wondering if I would cash it? Ah, those were the days...
Good for you RPM. :aok
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Bat, eagl's right. I've grown up 10 years in Europe, then spent a bit more than ten years in north America, and have now been back in Europe for three years.
There's no doubt about it, it's a European thing, it's just part of the whole of the culture. It's ingrained by habit, it's wrong when inspected consciously, but it gets to ride piggy back like a bad law in an otherwise good bill.
I'm personally sick of it, seeing it happen day in, day out. It should get no slack, no matter how "indignant" the people defending it pretend to be. Principles don't bend for convenience.
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Originally posted by moot
Bat, i agree with what eagl's posted.
corrected :aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
when the bank screws up and credits me by mistake i will hopefully withdraw the money before they can corect it.
petty thief? no sir.
My favorite excerpt. Yeah, you're a fine upstanding citizen.
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the bank takes my money to look after it for me, spends it to make twice as much as i gave them, then pays me a few numerals extra per year, and you think most people wouldnt jump at the chance to get a few notes back sometimes.
you find a $20 bill in a busy street, you gunna hand it in or start asking people if they dropped it?
[ace ventura deep breath]
The funniest and most wonderfull part in this destruction of your best possible effort at diverting the attention away from your own lack of worthwhile opinion on this matter which you started with me as you threw wild accusations and insults in my direction and generally called my entire life and ethics things that were lower than needed to be wildly thrown in a thread where all i did was gave a simple opinion about my hypothetical choice were I in that situation what rpm was in......*gasp*.... the funniest part about this destruction is that i havnt had a bank account fo almost 8 years now.
luhooo uhooo seer LUHOOOOOOOSER.
xan ya feel it, can ya...can ya?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
the bank takes my money to look after it for me, spends it to make twice as much as i gave them, then pays me a few numerals extra per year, and you think most people wouldnt jump at the chance to get a few notes back sometimes.
you find a $20 bill in a busy street, you gunna hand it in or start asking people if they dropped it?
When a clerk makes an error my way or their way for more than a few cents I always point it out. I would rather find a $10 bill in the street than a bag with $10,000. I’d turn in the $10,000. The $10, however, isn’t worth the time and effort of a police report and would never make its way back to its owner. If I saw who’d dropped it I’d get their attention and give it to them; done that a few times. Most people I know would do the same.
I know that in the US moral standards vary greatly; we have plenty of folks who would slit your throat for a nickel and plenty who do everything humanly possible to remain moral. While British citizens may be jaded by having fewer rights than their criminals I’m sure that there are plenty of honest and trustworthy limeys over there. I doubt B@tfinkV truly represents his nation.
BTW, if I ever were in Britain and was being mugged, I’d mug the mugger back and claim that I was the real mugger and my victim tried to hurt poor ol me while I was just trying to do my job.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
....Golfer: go ahead an think it. i've never been a 'good, upstanding, law abiding citizen' and i do not intend to start now.
hell, i'll go ahead and admit im a criminal in many minor cases....
Translation:
My life has such a pathetic direction that I have stooped to an all time low of claiming to be a criminal to get the other BBS patrons to think I am a bad arse robin hood... really, I am a bipoloar imbecile starving for attention trying to escape my meaningless existence.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Translation:
My life has such a pathetic direction that I have stooped to an all time low of claiming to be a criminal to get the other BBS patrons to think I am a bad arse robin hood... really, I am a bipoloar imbecile starving for attention trying to escape my meaningless existence.
Deviant or immoral behavior is commonly justified by convincing oneself that “everyone does it”. I wouldn’t be surprised if B@tfinkV truly believes that his behavior and beliefs are standard and acceptable.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Deviant or immoral behavior is commonly justified by convincing oneself that “everyone does it”. I wouldn’t be surprised if B@tfinkV truly believes that his behavior and beliefs are standard and acceptable.
If that is the case, than I feel even sorrier for him than I did when I thought he was just a stupid imbecile.
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True story, altho you may not believe it... A couple weeks ago I went to the bank to get change. I withdrew $8,000 in hundreds. They give me $16,000. The bank has just recently been bought out and switched their cash handling system. Hundreds used to be bundled in $1000 increments, now they are in $2,000 increments. I asked her, "You want to count that one more time?" The color drained from her face when she realised what she had just done.
Now was it honesty or self-preservation that kept me from taking the money? I prefer to think it was honesty because the repercussions of what could happen if I took the money never entered my head. I just saw it was wrong.
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i was talking about a hypothetical miscredited 20 bucks, not enough to buy a small house.
badass robin hood wannabe?
i am nothing, worthless, pointless, organic waste locked in a cycle, a never ending cycle that goes on and on, undulating to and fro with each million years that passes. I am king of this planet, because I am a human. i am the lowest form of scumsucking bacteria on this planet, because i am human. I dont need to be a lifeless nobody to prove my life is not worth living. It isnt, not worth a thing no matter what i accomplish. i am man, i am woman, i am animal, i am land, sea, rock, sand, air. I am a vacuum of nothingness thriving upon a solid spherical nothing which in turn is shooting round the the empty black vast expanse of everything.
just like the rest of you.
when will humans learn to accept deviance from the 'human race' is the only way we could possibly ever get closer to who and what we really are.
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Originally posted by rpm
True story, altho you may not believe it... A couple weeks ago I went to the bank to get change. I withdrew $8,000 in hundreds. They give me $16,000. The bank has just recently been bought out and switched their cash handling system. Hundreds used to be bundled in $1000 increments, now they are in $2,000 increments. I asked her, "You want to count that one more time?" The color drained from her face when she realised what she had just done.
Now was it honesty or self-preservation that kept me from taking the money? I prefer to think it was honesty because the repercussions of what could happen if I took the money never entered my head. I just saw it was wrong.
Keeping the money may have been dishonest, but you are talking about a bank after all.
If I found a wallet in the street I would contact the owner and get it back to them or hand it in at a cop shop, but if a bank mistakingly gave me too much money I would have no problem walking out their door with it.
If the mistake was theirs, and the thieving bloodsuckers wanted their money back they would have have to ask me for it, which I have no doubt they would.
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This thread has taught me more about the members on this board than the last 4 years of reading all of these posts.
For shame.
RPM, .
I've always said 99% of the population takes the path of least resistance. This thread proves it.
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Originally posted by Excel1
Keeping the money may have been dishonest, but you are talking about a bank after all.
If I found a wallet in the street I would contact the owner and get it back to them or hand it in at a cop shop, but if a bank mistakingly gave me too much money I would have no problem walking out their door with it.
If the mistake was theirs, and the thieving bloodsuckers wanted their money back they would have have to ask me for it, which I have no doubt they would.
nope it's not "just a bank" it would have meant someone's job, hell maybe several people's jobs. would you want that kharma when it revisits you? not me. it's always best to do the right thing, it's always better to think about the other guy. honesty is by far always the best policy. idiots
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
when i need a song i'll readily go ahead and burn a copy from a mate rather than buy it from a shop.
How the hell is this theft or illegal, neither of you are using it to gain money...
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^ Must be fishing for Skuzzy
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Originally posted by storch
nope it's not "just a bank" it would have meant someone's job, hell maybe several people's jobs. would you want that kharma when it revisits you? not me. it's always best to do the right thing, it's always better to think about the other guy. honesty is by far always the best policy. idiots
I suspect you’re not familiar with NZ banks.
Actually they're not NZ banks as just about all of them a foreign owned and have a single purpose... to screw every last cent out NZers any way they can. And their near total monopoly ensures they do a stirling job with their numerous fees and exorbitant credit/mortgage interests rates.
So yeah, if I can get one over them without breaking any laws I would jump at the chance.
And as for any poor slobs who lost their jobs working in a crooked industry because of my hypothetically "alleged" dishonesty... tough!
I prolly did them a favour; they should sleep better at night.
And Besides, McDonalds are always hiring.
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RPM!!!! Good job!
A shame other's have hijacked this thread.
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i would like to point out my first post was not a hijack.
the problem comes when 10 people jump all over me because my views are impossible for them to come to terms with without at the same time labeling me with many horrible names and assumptions about my character.
if the phoney moral crusaders here would just let other people have a view and not jump on them for it, hijacks wouldnt happen near as often.
Excel, you're one of the few who is being honest here, salute ;)
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i would like to point out my first post was not a hijack.
the problem comes when 10 people jump all over me because my views are impossible for them to come to terms with without at the same time labeling me with many horrible names and assumptions about my character.
if the phoney moral crusaders here would just let other people have a view and not jump on them for it, hijacks wouldnt happen near as often.
Excel, you're one of the few who is being honest here, salute ;)
B@tfinkV,
A society that accepts immoral behavior and makes no effort to try to correct wrongdoers is doomed.
This is one of the ways that society teaches morality: Do something immoral and you will be shunned and criticized. Different groups within society have different standards, but the principle is the same. A typical group of junkies will probably disapprove killing for drugs while a stuffy church group will probably disapprove jaywalking. It is effective and keeps many people in line. In countries like Japan societal pressure to do right is nearly 100% effective (at least historically).
Don’t say you could care less what we think; the fact that you have responded to this thread 10 times shows that you care what we think of you and you seek to be understood and accepted. I doubt if your participation in this thread will turn you straight, but I also bet the next time an immoral opportunity knocks you will at least think twice.
BTW, I don’t find you to be a horrible person just because of what you have said in this thread. You certainly wouldn’t make my top 1,000 people I trust either.
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Keeping the money may have been dishonest, but you are talking about a bank after all.
But the money is not yours, nor have you done anything to earn it. Just because the bank is full of *******s, it is not your right to steal it.
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Originally posted by Excel1
I suspect you’re not familiar with NZ banks.
Actually they're not NZ banks as just about all of them a foreign owned and have a single purpose... to screw every last cent out NZers any way they can. And their near total monopoly ensures they do a stirling job with their numerous fees and exorbitant credit/mortgage interests rates.
So yeah, if I can get one over them without breaking any laws I would jump at the chance.
And as for any poor slobs who lost their jobs working in a crooked industry because of my hypothetically "alleged" dishonesty... tough!
I prolly did them a favour; they should sleep better at night.
And Besides, McDonalds are always hiring.
There are probably at least a billion people on this planet who feel that you don’t deserve what you have and feel that you and the citizens of your country are wealthy because your nation has taken advantage other poorer nations. They would love to take what you have. Does that make it right?
If the banks are making such a huge profit, why haven’t a few bright New Zealander businessmen gotten together and formed a bank or credit union with better rates? It seems that everyone in New Zealand would want to join NBNZ and stick it to the foreigners.
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Originally posted by Excel1
I suspect you’re not familiar with NZ banks.
Actually they're not NZ banks as just about all of them a foreign owned and have a single purpose... to screw every last cent out NZers any way they can. And their near total monopoly ensures they do a stirling job with their numerous fees and exorbitant credit/mortgage interests rates.
So yeah, if I can get one over them without breaking any laws I would jump at the chance.
And as for any poor slobs who lost their jobs working in a crooked industry because of my hypothetically "alleged" dishonesty... tough!
I prolly did them a favour; they should sleep better at night.
And Besides, McDonalds are always hiring.
I suspect I wouldn't leave my valuables unattended around you.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
B@tfinkV,
A society that accepts immoral behavior and makes no effort to try to correct wrongdoers is doomed.
This is one of the ways that society teaches morality: Do something immoral and you will be shunned and criticized. Different groups within society have different standards, but the principle is the same. A typical group of junkies will probably disapprove killing for drugs while a stuffy church group will probably disapprove jaywalking. It is effective and keeps many people in line. In countries like Japan societal pressure to do right is nearly 100% effective (at least historically).
Don’t say you could care less what we think; the fact that you have responded to this thread 10 times shows that you care what we think of you and you seek to be understood and accepted. I doubt if your participation in this thread will turn you straight, but I also bet the next time an immoral opportunity knocks you will at least think twice.
BTW, I don’t find you to be a horrible person just because of what you have said in this thread. You certainly wouldn’t make my top 1,000 people I trust either.
Very well said Eskimo.
Stealing is stealing, no matter how you slice it. When you stoop to that level, you break a moral guideline which just gets easier and easier to break the more you continue.
Go ahead and be proud of your "petty criminal actions" Batfink, Excel, feel free to think it is ok to screw a corporation just because they are a corporation, in the end, the two of you will definitely have some wonderous kharma (as Storch put it) to answer to.
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don't talk to me about karma bodhi you lemmon faced fool, i have studied much about buddhism and you know nothing of karma....or you dont yet anyhow...and i dont think storch does either if he spells it kharma...
most of you are all full of piss and wind.
you can't expect to sound credible on your moral crusade in one direction, when you regularly break other moral codes quite plainly every day on this forum.
the spectrum of morality is so pread out that no body is perfectly moral.
how many of you have cheated during a relationship?
how many of you have lied?
how many have bullied?
how many have been cowards in a moment requiring bravery?
who here is not guilty of being immoal at one time in thier life?
man, considering im only 24, and most of the real 'moral saints' posting here are probably almost dead, you are acting like. the rest of you pretenders know who you are, and the truly 'good' people here who post against me i appreciate that what you see in my responses is immoral, but at least i am strong enough to observe my own weaknesses and share them openly....and i still maintain that if i had a bank account and it put £20 too much in i would spend it.
i once worked in a butchers, when i was way too young to work anywhere, in the village here. cramped little community. the second saturday i worked there i was cleaning the main walk-in freezer before closing and i found a £1 coin on the floor. poked my head out the door and said 'oi howard, i found a quid on the floor'. he took the coin, smiled and told me i had passed the test, gave me a mini pork pie. (i thought that was pretty tight after pulling a nasty trick like that, i should have got the coin not some stupid mini pie.)
in the first year of going to a big institutionalised 'school for the gifted' (which i jumped out of soon as i could age 16) i got suspended for stealing a choc-chip muffin from the canteen as i had no money for lunch, probably to show off to my mates. we stole food, chemicals from the science labs, we used to have commando raids at lunch times to remove the chalk and board cleaners from as many class rooms as possible without being caught.
thats just a quick view of what i see as 'fair game', and a time when my morals acted without me thinking.
maybe when some of you grasp a true sense of what morality is i will consider you not fools.
untill then 'moral crusaders' like bodhi can go back to mocking total strangers he knows nothing about in fits of acid spitting typing, for anything they say...
...between his seminars on not stealing being important in morals
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No way you're 24...
the level of (call it...obsurdity) you've achieved takes many many more years or refinement and training to achieve.
You also got played. I remember a pizza guy trying that except the other way. I asked if he could change a $50. He said "nope" thinking I'd give em the cash and be stuck with a couple expensive pizzas. Instead I shut the door on him. It was amazing how fast he was able to come up with change without having moved from my doorstep.
I didn't ask for any coins in return...I really like those 15.99 coupons. Little watermelon got a penny.
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Goodness, b@tfink, quite a tale.
I'd love to see the look on your face in 5 years when you reread what you wrote, some pretty funny stuff.
I don't trust you near my valuables, I wouldn't want you near my kids, but I forgive your ignorance. Someone really messed up some important parts of your upbringing, I hope you can bootstrap yourself into something a bit better before you get into too much trouble.
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Golfer, your pizza story is a bit off. Most pizza delivery guys don't carry much change on them, and do multiple deliveries at once. I suspect that he probably either used all of the cash he had left to give you change and prayed that the rest of his deliveries were checks, or maybe he ended up going back to the store to get more change for the rest of his customers.
The pizza delivery guy is not an ATM, and because of robberies, does not carry a lot of cash.
Sometimes when delivering, I've had to use my own money to put together enough change for the customer. I've had idiot customers try to pay with a $100. "Sorry, no change". I don't know if the customer was expecting to get a free pizza, but it's no skin off my back to say "Sorry, can't help you" and leave.
To try to pay for a delivery pizza with a $50 and think that the pizza guy is trying to scam you shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the basics of food delivery etiquette.
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Originally posted by Golfer
No way you're 24...
the level of (call it...obsurdity) you've achieved takes many many more years or refinement and training to achieve.
You also got played. .
you're right i geuss, im 23, but im 24 in 12 days. ask some of my squaddies they have met me.
how did i get played? 'howard' owned the butchers shop. if there was money in the fridge and he wasnt testing me on purpose then it was his money anyhow.
other than that i dont see what relevance your 'i'm so smart with delivery guys wanting tips' story about not being scammed by the pizza boy has to do with me giving the money that i found to my boss. none at all.
chairboy: you are a clueless participant in this discussion who has nothing better to post than poorly judged character assasinations.
anyone who calls my friend Redtop a, and i quote word for word, 'RedTop....You're a sad excuse for a citizen' holds no bearing over my thoughts.
go back to posting stuff in 'intelectual threads' and being a good upstanding citizen, you're rubbish at this type of thing. you are very good with quick thinking and imagination though, and aside from your moronic words to me here i have no problem with you.
but dont despair, you're miles ahead of boghi.
if any of you had a clue who i was you would call me bat, or fink, not 'b@tfinkv'.
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B@tfink, are you revoking my permission to post here? Gosh, didn't realize you were an admin. It's interesting how you just give up on things when they get hard. Is that another character trait you exhibit in real life?
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on the contrary my friend.
it is I who has maintained and kept constant throughout this topic.
it is you who diverts away from any question you dont want to answer, which in this case is all of them.
it is you who is a liar of the worst kind, you lie to yourself when you dont like the truth
this is only what you have shown me in the last two pages.
I am sure of myself.
you are sure about other people.
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You forgot to chant "Ommmmmmmmmm" while crossing your hands contemplatively and hovering cross legged 3 feet above the ground.
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how do you know i i forgot? i could be chanting, hovering and typing at the same time.
but thnanks for proving instantly that you divert from anything you dont want to answer and make foolish assumptions about people you cant see.
you make this too easy.
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some1 is getting pwnd
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Yep.
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go ahead ridicule me and call me karnak but I predict a meltdown. I could easily force it but I decline and will instead take high road with this caveat post.
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Originally posted by Debonair
some1 is getting pwnd
Originally posted by Chairboy
Yep.
im glad all three of us agree on that, i didnt think you would agree with it chairboy, but i geuss now its over then.
salute, you're a true gentleman.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
remarkable lack of understanding of the basics of food delivery etiquette.
Point isn't that I tried to pay using a $50. Point is he did have the cash and wanted an easy score. You know how you just get the feeling when someone's lying. Call it instinct...
End of my hijack.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
don't talk to me about karma bodhi you lemmon faced fool, i have studied much about buddhism and you know nothing of karma....or you dont yet anyhow...and i dont think storch does either if he spells it kharma...
You're so full of it that you must leave brown stains on the floor when you walk... let me guess, you hang out with his greatness the Dhali Llama on the weekends after stealing from the donations basket at church?
Ohh, and coming from someone who can not even spell Britain right, you have no right to lecture about spelling.
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
...untill then 'moral crusaders' like bodhi can go back to mocking total strangers he knows nothing about in fits of acid spitting typing, for anything they say...
...between his seminars on not stealing being important in morals
I am not a moral crusader, but I am not a thief. I know right from wrong, and will take the high road as opposed to the lower road your "criminal" self will walk away from. You talk of bravery and cowardice, but you're more a coward than anyone here. You are the type that would take the extra 8k offered in RPM's example because you have neither the courage nor fortitude to go out and make it for yourself. You come off claiming I am such a big meanie for calling Krusty a liar. He is a liar, as I suspect you are becoming more and more. The problem with people like you is that you continually cross the threshold of your fantasy lives so much, that you forget the difference between reality and fantasy.
Reality is this statement by you: "i've never been a 'good, upstanding, law abiding citizen' and i do not intend to start now." IE. you're a criminal.
Fantasy is your disillusioned attempt to change that statement to meaning your view on morality through stealing is right.
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of course golfer, because the lifeform you became fully deserved to fly around in planes and keep you minted at the same time, anyone who didnt achieve this 'easy score' you get for doing something you love is instantly a thieving scam artist when the claim not to have change for one of your swanky $50 notes that everyone should carry stacks of.
im starting to understand.
bodhi:
"Fantasy is your disillusioned attempt to change that statement to meaning your view on morality through stealing is right."
was about the only thing that was worth reading in your latest exciting episode of 'winning teh war' BBS style.
i have never once said my views are right, now intended anyone to agree.
also, seeing as i did you the honour of also reading and thinking about your unrelated spewings, you're a fool for saying i would take £8000 out of my bank. the most possible any bank will let you with draw in one day unless you are a vip customer is £250.
and you think i dont realise that the 8k would be a loan, and prison would be the intrest.
most of all i dont need money. i dont have it or need it, nor do you.
or you didnt once.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
of course golfer, because the lifeform you became fully deserved to fly around in planes and keep you minted at the same time, anyone who didnt achieve this 'easy score' you get for doing something you love is instantly a thieving scam artist when the claim not to have change for one of your swanky $50 notes that everyone should carry stacks of.
im starting to understand.
:O :lol
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Originally posted by Golfer
Point isn't that I tried to pay using a $50. Point is he did have the cash and wanted an easy score. You know how you just get the feeling when someone's lying. Call it instinct...
End of my hijack.
Lot of pizza guys just get in the habit of saying they can't break a 50 or 100, and expect you to find something smaller or write a check.
I know one pizza joint manager who would go apechit on her drivers if she knew they were breaking 50s or 100s.
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QUOTE]Originally posted by lasersailor184
But the money is not yours, nor have you done anything to earn it. Just because the bank is full of *******s, it is not your right to steal it. [/QUOTE]
Stealing is against the law
You must have missed this:
"So yeah, if I can get one over them without breaking any laws I would jump at the chance"
I would not steal from them, but nor would I do them any favours by pointing out a mistake they made that was in my favour, or more importantly, caused them problems. I would give the money back when they asked for it, and they almost certainly would ask for it back.
If I was going to steal from them I would pay them a visit wearing a funny hat and carrying a sawn off shotty
Originally posted by eskimo2
If the banks are making such a huge profit, why haven’t a few bright New Zealander businessmen gotten together and formed a bank or credit union with better rates?
NZ is generally too small for domestic commercial companies to compete on the same scale as the foreign corporations and multinationals. The only body that's able to give an alternative to the foreign owned banks on a competitive scale is the NZ government, or so the government thought. The govt set up its own bank, but it's little more than a politicians pet project that's barely in the banking ball park even though it's heavily and wrongly subsidised by taxpayers.
Originally posted by storch
I suspect I wouldn't leave my valuables unattended around you. [/QUOTE
nah, I would guard your blow-up doll collection with my life :-)
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B@tfinkV,
There is a big difference between: vulching noobs, speeding 3 mph over the limit, smoking dope, steeling and murder. You have lumped petty crimes together with more serious ones. I think that part of what bothers me (and probably others) is that you don’t seem to understand that the seriousness of all crimes is not the same. I don’t care that you smoke dope; illegal or not it’s your body and your life. Theft, however, is very serious. Ownership of money and stuff is not a free-for-all take what you can deal. Whether or not someone “deserves” what they own or not is not part of the question. If people just go around taking what they want then everyone: lives in fear, trusts no one, loses what they own, has no incentive to work/earn and life pretty much sucks. Most countries that suck have too many people who just take what they want whenever they can. Most areas of cities that suck also have too many people who just take what they want whenever they can. Civilized people depend on trusting one another. I think that most folks who live outside the ghettos and trailer parks would agree with me on this (and even some who live in ghettos and trailer parks).
Sure, everyone on this board has most likely committed a variety of crimes of various degrees of seriousness. Most have learned from their more serious mistakes, shown remorse and become better people. I’m sure that you are right that there are others who also would take what isn’t theirs but have not posted. So what?
P.S.
Feel free to refer to me as eskimo or eskimo2; it’s the handle I chose when I signed up on this board.
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eskimo/eskimo2,
you're a very generous spirited person and i thank you for your advice, yet do not fear my understanding of theft and its moral implications.
please do not mistake all that stuff with the gangbangers, the pilot and the chairboy for me trying to condone any type of stealing as moraly correct nor acceptable behaviour for me or anyone who i let in my house.
i find your wallet with an address ill post it back to you and bring it to your door with the money in it, should there be a tray of mints by your door and you are foolish enough to turn around for a few seconds, i will try and get a mint in my mouth without you seeing and then suxk on it incredibly obviously as you turn back to say thanks and goodbye, just to see if you pick up on it, with a stupid grin on my face.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
of course golfer, because the lifeform you became fully deserved to fly around in planes and keep you minted at the same time, anyone who didnt achieve this 'easy score' you get for doing something you love is instantly a thieving scam artist when the claim not to have change for one of your swanky $50 notes that everyone should carry stacks of.
You must have misunderstood. I needed the money much more than I needed the pizza. That $50 was from washing an airplane and was my last $50.
The pizzas would've fed me for the week. $15 for a weeks worth of food is good. I'll be damned if I'm throwing away whats left of my money so some punk wearing his bling could pocket the remainder of my money.
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There are some crimes like doing 10 mph over the limit on a highway that's really just between the driver, cop, and judge. Unless their driving is presenting a real hazard I mind my own business. However, if someone is driving the wrong way on the freeway or weaving like they're drunk I'll call the cops. Theft falls into this latter category imo and it's up to all of us to help prevent it. If you won't judge a person guilty of theft or driving dangerously to others because you are guilty of the same or worse then you need to clean up your act.
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maybe i have misunderstood golfer, i was under the impresion you flew planes for a living. if that is incorrect my appologies. your story still had no relevance to my honesty test as the butcher's assistant, imo.
do you really think the pizza boy expected you to say 'ah, nevermind, keep two thirds of my money for yourself, hell, whats $35 between you and I?' and slap the note into his hands?
only a fool would expect you to be happy to pay more than the price of the service in a tip.
sounds like you ended up with coupons in return? i couldnt quite work out what your end result was. so he did shaft you anyhow and gave you free coupons and kept your money?
washing planes is a noble way to earn money, good on you.
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What I do is irrevelenet Batfink.
And I can't say that I'm in love with your tone right now.
(http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/allen/COSC330/GameLog/geico-cavemen.jpg)
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"And I can't say that I'm in love with your tone right now"
My mother use come up with similar gems of verbal chastisement like that
But I would never quote her and post her pic on the internet to support a point ;)
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I have put over 50k on my Lincoln without every having worn a seatbelt in it.. I also speed when I want. I don't consider those to be crimes or morally wrong. I ride my motorcycle without a helmet whenever I can get away with it and will wear a light, unaproved one the rest of the time.. But... I am willing to pay the price.
There are many other more serious laws that I would break because they are silly and unconstitutional but I do not wish to take the risks involved (losing property and/or liberty) so I do not break these immoral and unconstitutional laws.
lazs
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RPM, you're such a pu**y for not shooting that man outright!
See Bat, this is what they want to hear, take heed! ;)
Lmao @ Excel1
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a good opinion and honest assesment of yourself Lazs, though i wouldnt expect any different from you, sir.
golfer, what you do is not irrelevant, its all consuming and most important to how you mind works, how you see life, and how you see other people and thier lives..
im now making a third assesment, and jusdging by your diverted reply, i now think again that you do fly planes for a living, and wanted to make it look like you are 'hard working and hard up'.
so if you would honour me with a straight answer i would be complimentary of your character no matter the answer.
and i still dont know if the pizza boy screwed you or not?
did you get the full change back in your hands in US dollars, hard cash, or did you get your chane in coupons?
if the second then you most definitely got pwnd.
oh.... and LOL SAW
ROFL Excel
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Exactly what do you think someone who "flys planes" does? Type out a job description and what you presume their income level might be.
I got it back in cash. From the big wad in his pocket. Or it could've been the full money bag on top of the delivery bag. Oh...he had both.
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Holy cow, B@tfink, are you out of touch or what? Pilots are some of the least paid, hardest working folks around. $30-40k in schooling, then they make $15K-25K a year for a long time if they can find good positions, and all this while often being away from home most of the time.
What exactly do YOU think the job entails? I still think Golfer misread the situation with the Pizza guy by assuming he was going to try and steal his money, but you're out of line for implying that his job isn't hard work. For shame.
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ahhh well Golfer this saddens me, i thought there might be some decency in you, and you might just give us an answer.....looks like youre the same breed as chairboy....
full of yourself, full of nice warm hot food, cosy in your house with expensive trimmings and most unfortunately, totaly devoid of the ability to judge yourself openly in public.
question:
1) do you fly planes for a living?
if you cannot answer that question openly and clearly, i'd advise
taking a good long look at yourself in the mirror, and asking yourself a few home truths, just to see if you can even be honest to yourself in private.
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i shall still do you the honour of aswering your diversions, but please do not reply on these grounds, answer my innocent questions above and i shall then consider you worthy of debating this subject with once more.
i think a person who 'flies planes' for a living does anything from twin seat instructors being paid not so much, to air traffic reporters getting paid not so much, to military flyers, who get paid quite a bit more than many, right up to private and comercial airline pilots, some of which get vastly larger sums of money than anyone deserves of sitting behind a control panel and pressing auto pilot.
overall though, anyone who loves flying, and made the wise choice when they were younger to learn to fly and find a way to get paid for it has what most would consider to be a dream vocation.
anyone who has thier dream vocation in life and also strong opinions on morality and finances, is quite clearly jaded and ignorant about the true meaning or 'working hard'.
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When someone delivering pizzas smiles at you with gold teeth and carries his change bag on top of the delivery bag...
Smiling at you through his gold toofies with a smirk "nooope" when you ask if he can change your last bill I'd hope you'd slam the door too. It wasn't 10 seconds when he knocked saying how he remembered he had change.
Evidently Batfink thinks I'm a 40 year old man stuck in a time warp working for PanAm in its heyday with money falling out of my pockets.
I'm still stuck on that somehow how much money I make decides whether it's right or wrong. Or more forgivable to pay $50 for a $15 service. That really is an *** backwards outlook on things.
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just seen your response chairboy, and it looks like you answered golfer's question for him. so am i to assume that the timid souls who cannot judge themselves openly and honestly in public, are also the ones who are best suited for answering questions openly and honestly in public.....about other people?
from now on i think it would be best if any questions for golfer could be answered by you, and visa versa.
and for the record, getting 15,000 a year to do something you love, is good money.
you've bought into the system of the human race so completely, that you even convince yourself that doing your dream vocation, and being paid more than $1000 a month for it, is not what the whole world would give its right arm to do.
and thats just the cheapo flying instructors and small fish in aviation.
there are some who get paid sums of money that would shame a profesional sports player.
your arrogance and small mindedness, coupled with yours and golfers ability to only aswer questions that dont relate to them personaly, make you unworthy of my time from now on in this thread.
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Alright batfink...this is where I step out. Not because you've upset me...but because if I do give you an honest response it's going to violate at least a handfull of rules.
I'll leave you with my occupation but moreover my income is none...zero...zilch of your business. You can take that and run with it that I'm "well off" but that's your deal and your fault for assuming.
One reason why you're more incredibly wrong is that I've done a pretty good job of not giving you my life story and work history. You don't deserve it. It's none, zero, zilch and nada of your business again.
If you'd like to go ahead and pass judgement on me that's fine. If you want to call washing airplanes a noble way to earn money (When I think nobility I think knights and chivarly...but thats just me) but flying them an overpaid lazy job that's fine. It may or may not be right but go right ahead.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
and for the record, getting 15,000 a year to do something you love, is good money.
(I'd guess below you mean pilots)
there are some who get paid sums of money that would shame a profesional sports player.
Where do you learn these things? How in the world can you become so misguided in only 2 decades of sucking oxygen?
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Originally posted by Golfer
When someone delivering pizzas smiles at you with gold teeth and carries his change bag on top of the delivery bag...
Smiling at you through his gold toofies with a smirk "nooope" when you ask if he can change your last bill I'd hope you'd slam the door too. It wasn't 10 seconds when he knocked saying how he remembered he had change.
Evidently Batfink thinks I'm a 40 year old man stuck in a time warp working for PanAm in its heyday with money falling out of my pockets.
I'm still stuck on that somehow how much money I make decides whether it's right or wrong. Or more forgivable to pay $50 for a $15 service. That really is an *** backwards outlook on things.
so you do fly planes or not, just answer the damn question, how hard can it be.
i never said you should have paid him all the money dont presume to put words in my mouth and then call me backwards. maybe if you saw all these 'gold teeth' evidences that this was a criminal scamming bastard not just a lad earning an honest buck and hoping for a bit extra, and instead of asking 'do you have change' like a retard, you could have said 'you aint getting a single penny in tips out of me pizza boy, now either hurry up and give me my change or take your pizza with you and **** off back to your crackhouse'
that would have been more honest of your opinions and and it wouldnt have presented the guy with the option to lie.
asking if he has change is almost like a mother who has seen you stealing from the cookie jar, but still asks if you did or not just to see if you will try and lie.
how much money you make, how much you love your job, and how easy your life is makes a huge difference to your outlook on the lives of others and the morals of life.
you have already shown that you are a snob, you have an enjoyable job and get paid well, you hate people with gold teeth, you are a selfish bastard wth tips for a service that people get paid nothing for, you are a keen social tactitian and diversionist, as chairboy displays so well.
most of all, and saddest of all, is that in almost every case in this thread you have cast your brand out to sear the butt cheeks of other people, yet when it came to your turn to be branded, you ran away and slung poo back at the man holding the brand ready for your turn.
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I find it amazing how this thread has gone from RPM's ensuring a thief is caught, to Batphag stating he is proud of being a criminal, to Batphag trying to divert attention to how much money Golfer makes in yet another clueless rant that he (Batphag) hopes will divert attention away from the fact that he is a clueless social miscreant that 99% of the postors here would not trust around themselves, money, or kids.... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Golfer
Alright batfink...this is where I step out. Not because you've upset me...but because if I do give you an honest response it's going to violate at least a handfull of rules.
I'll leave you with my occupation but moreover my income is none...zero...zilch of your business. You can take that and run with it that I'm "well off" but that's your deal and your fault for assuming.
One reason why you're more incredibly wrong is that I've done a pretty good job of not giving you my life story and work history. You don't deserve it. It's none, zero, zilch and nada of your business again.
If you'd like to go ahead and pass judgement on me that's fine. If you want to call washing airplanes a noble way to earn money (When I think nobility I think knights and chivarly...but thats just me) but flying them an overpaid lazy job that's fine. It may or may not be right but go right ahead.
bout time you admit all you got left is to leave.
knight and chivalry is noble? the nobilty in the countries of olden times, were selfish arrogant up themself and cruel.
they manipulated the prols with violence and terror, and had an easy life.
a man who ploughs fields is vastly more noble.
your job and finsnce may not be my business, but you entered into this debate with mind to make me look the fool for my opinions, and therefore i seek to find out more about the man who judges me.
i dont want your life story i just asked what your job was, and you still fail to answer in one sentance.
Where do you learn these things? How in the world can you become so misguided in only 2 decades of sucking oxygen?
an man named Jerry Rendal who livs near me spent his life flying and in the end graduated to piloting concorde. i think he got somewhere in the region of £75,000 a year by the end of his working days.
he is now a millionair and lives in a manshion, he has retired aged 50.
a track and field runner, a profesional sports person who dedicates life to becoming the best at running, and providing entertinment for the rest of the world, possibly wont get that much money in thier lifetime even if they race once a month and win everytime.
i think my statement was fair, and it sure didnt take me 20 years to think about it.
go ahead though, leave now before you have to invest anything real in this deabte.
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I think it's just a matter of when you get seared you sit back and take it. When you have your shot with the prod you perry and thrust like a midevil Richard Simmons.
That was a little poo.
It's not a hard question. It's a very easy question. Lets say I do. What of it? Now lets say I don't...what's it matter?
It doesn't. If you judge someones success based on their wallet then it's you who is misguided. If you think that by outside looking in at what someones occupation and their presumed income/standard of living is then the problem still lies with you. Especially since you're trying to justify how unhappy you are by hanging out on the BBs for hours on end escaping your life which you so desparately try to make seem is just peachy. You can only keep those plates spinning so long before they come crashing down.
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Well if more people share your thoughts then I'd say the UK isn't far at all from going communist.
I don't think I'll ever agree with you on anything so here's your sandbox back.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I find it amazing how this thread has gone from RPM's ensuring a thief is caught, to Batphag stating .... [snip the rubbish]
its not amzing boghi, its what always happens when you and people like you can't deal with someone who thinks differently to you, and your only response is to insult, assume and degrade them with unfounded judgments.
you are not worth the time it takes to reply but as ever, i go the extra mile to help everyone feel 'involved' in a serious discussion they have no real clue about.
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Originally posted by Golfer
I think it's just a matter of when you get seared you sit back and take it. When you have your shot with the prod you perry and thrust like a midevil Richard Simmons.
That was a little poo.
It's not a hard question. It's a very easy question. Lets say I do. What of it? Now lets say I don't...what's it matter?
It doesn't. If you judge someones success based on their wallet then it's you who is misguided. If you think that by outside looking in at what someones occupation and their presumed income/standard of living is then the problem still lies with you. Especially since you're trying to justify how unhappy you are by hanging out on the BBs for hours on end escaping your life which you so desparately try to make seem is just peachy. You can only keep those plates spinning so long before they come crashing down.
10 posts along and you still fail to say 'yes im a pilot and yes i get paid good money for something i love'....or not if thats not true.
it makes every difference in helping me understand how you can become such a pompous self righteous snob.
why do you seek to make my life a failiure? far from it i work outside manual labour which i love, get paid enough to live, have a girlfriend, have friends, have a fun life and enjoy talking and gesticulating my ideas to others no matter the ensuing judgments from the ignorants.
i am the same as the pilot who gets paid to do something he loves. i love my job and the money is a bonus when the working day is done. im lucky and i made these chances for myself.
i seek to judge you in the hope of understanding you better, and maybe even changing the way i think.
you seek to judge me in the hope of diverting people from judging you, and to damn any opinion that doesnt sit comfortably in your stomach.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV but said it better than Golfer ever could.
you seek to judge me in the hope of diverting people from judging you, and to damn any opinion that doesnt sit comfortably in your stomach.
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im glad you have finally accepted the truth. you make a good step in the right direction.
good luck.
(still dont know what your job is, proving my comment that you think you can relate back onto me is far better suited to you.)
i take the false judgements on my character right on the chin, and i answer your questions as best i can.
to say that quote relates to me and not you, is funny.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV who once again gives Golfer the words to say to him.
to say that quote relates to me and not you, is funny.
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Originally posted by Golfer
I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?
nice twist there golfer, congrats, you just sunk lower than chairboy for cowardly twisting things away from you being judged.
but dont worry, you're still a marathon ahead of bodhi.
'I know you are, but what am I??'
lol, those days of childhood were sure fun, im glad to see you can still enjoy one of the prevailing childhood instincts when you lack any other kind of worthwhile discussion.
do you get paid to fly planes for a living or not?
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Originally posted by Golfer
Where do you learn these things? How in the world can you become so misguided in only 2 decades of sucking oxygen?
this has got to be the funniest thing I've read today
:rofl
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IMHO
Speaking as a lowly boat painter.
Embezzling 10k or ripping a friends CD makes you a thief.
If the risk was the same for embezzlement and burning CDs, there'd be more embezzling.
So what I conclude is if your willing to steal music . You'll probably take anything as long as nobody is watching and low risk of getting caught.
So the only diff between them is the embezzler has more sack than the thief ripping CDs.
Bronk
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Is it too late to enter this thread?
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Originally posted by Neubob
Is it too late to enter this thread?
Evidently... no.:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
IMHO
Speaking as a lowly boat painter.
Embezzling 10k or ripping a friends CD makes you a thief.
If the risk was the same for embezzlement and burning CDs, there'd be more embezzling.
So what I conclude is if your willing to steal music . You'll probably take anything as long as nobody is watching and low risk of getting caught.
So the only diff between them is the embezzler has more sack than the thief ripping CDs.
Bronk
is crushing an insect under your foot and murdering another human the same crime?
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Never said it was the same crime.
What I am getting at bat is the potential is there except for the lack of sack.
A better analogy would be.
Did you enjoy pulling wings off flies when really young.
Then did you move on to torturing small animals a little older.
Then move on up to lager animals.
But didn't move to people because if you got caught you'd be severely punished.
Bronk
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RPM you did well. Some here seem to think that identity theft doesn't hurt anyone, to the contrary, it hurts many folks and ruins many lives. I have no tolerance for thieves or criminals, small time or otherwise.
For those that are not interested in helping to stop crime, hopefully you'll be the next victim and not my family. Better yet post your addresses in a central location on the web so criminals can take advantage of your "good heart" and leave the law abiding folks alone. Think how much better things will be, your seeing to it that the criminal is "protected" and lowering crimes on folks who care.
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well bronk, my answer would be 'yes, killing an insect and killing a human is the same crime'.
it appears that what youre saying is niether of them is a crime, but you fear the punishment of one more than the other therefore justify the murder of one spieces and forbid the murder of another not through high and refined morals, but through fear of recriminations and in the interest of self preservation.
i dont think thats what you meant, but it does kind of look like that.
are you saying that to murder a lifeform and risk potentially life destroying punishment takes 'sack', whereas murdering a defenceless lifeform with no risk of punishment doesnt.
if you ask me, ending the life of any creature is the same crime, and no matter the punishment of any certain society, the action is indentical no matter what life you end.
funny thing is, a person who crushed an insect would not offend me a great deal, a person who murdered my fellow human would disgust me in most cases.
its a double sided sword, and one that can never be truly explained or justified by this current breed of 'great thinking' lifeforms.
to steal a muffin from the school canteen, and to steal £1m from a bank is the same crime.
fact is, a young boy who steals a muffin from his prison wardens does not offend me at all, where as a man who steals something vastly more valuable might make me question his morals.
stealing is stealing all accross the board.
murder of any lifeform is murder right accross the board.
there are however, varying degrees of stealing and murder that the individual will find acceptable or not in each different mind.
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You're a loony.
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and you are boring and predictable.
thank you for the compliment.
do you intend to justify the killing of an insect as less of crime than the killing of human?
i wait with baited breath for your revalations.
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Have you stopped beating your wife?
BTW, 'bait' is indeed the right word. It reflects poorly on me that I keep falling for your trolls, but I guess everyone needs areas of improvement.
I sincerely hope that you don't represent the direction the UK is going. That country deserves better.
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yes she passed out, so i started on yours.
then i realised how sexualy repressed your wife has been for so long, and decided against the beatings and showed her the love of a real man.
she wept for hours, and thanked me from the depth of her womanhood.
shes on her way back to you, no need to thank me, but im afraid you have alot to live up to now.
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a troll would imply that the poster is fooling around and care little or not at all for the subject. therefore a false accusation......again. your consistency is superb.
no, i do not represent the UK, i represent myself.
sadly there are far too few that would be willing to think deep enough to contend with my feelings.
your kind rules the world, chairboy, but one day you wont and on that day you will weep tears of regret at your wasted existance.
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Not very inspired, B@tfink. Meh, you're not worth it. I'm out.
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Spin baby spin.
I fear neither and here is why.
I don't do either. I have morals. Be it respect for someones life or property.
(Ohh and just for the record I don't go around looking for bugs to squash.)
If your asking do I think they deserve the same punishment?
My answer is no it should be tailored to the individual crime.
But ...A thief is a thief is a thief.
Bronk
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inspired?
you were the fool who still had no real argument to fight for, and so degraded yourself to hurling an age old insult about me beating my 'wife'
im too young, and too screwed up, to be married anyhow. I have a partner that i see about 4 days a week and that is all the loving the two of us need from each other right now.
infact i still have love spare to shower on your wife if she requires a second round.