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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -lynx- on March 20, 2000, 06:32:00 AM
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This is actually a follow-up on the point raised by Glars in "the Gripe..." topic.
HT - you guys need to consider implementing hourly charges as well as current flat rate plan. I agree with Glars 100% - I like AH and all that but it's very difficult to justify $30/month when I might not be able to even fly taht many hours.
Fair enough - if one goes over $30 on hourly charges in any one month than it's one's own problem. He/she would have to decide whether to stick to hourly plan or switch to flat rate. You may even implement minimum period with a pricing plan to simplify admin side but if you don't do something you'll be loosing customers instead of getting extra revenue.
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
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Oh Come on !!!!!!!
15£ a Month !!! I don't get this.....that's about 3 Packs of Cigarettes....or about 10 Pints...A MONTH !
I understand that this might be a sum of money in certain countries but in UK ???
This is starting to P***s me off...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Saw/Saintaw
Don't shoot ! I am only an observer......
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/dorasaw.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-20-2000).]
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It's not £15 - that was 8 years ago. It's £19/month or about the same I pay for an hour in the air.
And no, I can't justify effectively throwing money away. If you have some you don't know what to do with - send me a cheque. I still need 65 hours P1 until I can start an AFI course (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
p.s. And yes, in some countries it's a monthly income... But let's not go there.
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 03-20-2000).]
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sorry to tell ya -lynx- 30$US just bring me to the first runway intersection here in Austria (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) -> otherwise i'd rather be flying (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Duckwing6 (edited 03-20-2000).]
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I'd be ok with this current pricing scheme too if it drew in a few more people during asia/pacific time...unfortunately it isn't. I can only think that price is keeping people away coz there were a lot of people playing in free beta days.
I think some people genuinely can't afford $30us/month on top of ISP costs. I for one am spending $100au/month total - that's a lot when you have other expenses. I don't mind paying this but just wish we had a more affordable pricing scheme for others too...especially in my timezone.
Tonight there were 16 people online when I logged off, 12:30am, and that was on the increase! How many would stick around if that's as much as you saw for your 2 week trial under the current pricing scheme?
Ex.
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The Problem resides not with the rice that HTC charges us, but what the ISP or Telco's charge us....
1 p a minute (BT in UK) after 18:00 and 6p /minute before that...
You'll tell me that being connected on AH costs a lot because I have to be connected to fly (& shoot)...maybe, but to tell you the truth, If I'm not on AH, I'd be somewhere else...so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
FYI : 200£ + BT Bill/ month just on my ISP +
190 £ for CH product Gear....(that still didn't arrive or is not working :/ )
AND YOU BUG POEPLE FOR 30 $ ????????????
PLease,do a search on Excite or Yahoo on Consumerism/Capitalism, etc...
This Topic makes me sick : YOU WANT TO USE A PRODUCT, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT , THAT'S NORMAL !
When it is CHEAP OR FREE, you will have 99.9% chances that it's cr***p !
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Saw/Saintaw
Don't shoot ! I am only an observer......
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/dorasaw.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-20-2000).]
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HTC already has stated that they have no plans for an alternate pricing plan. If you don't pay it, someone else will come along that IS willing to pay it. So, I think you need to weigh your priorieties. If the shoe don't fit, don't wear it.
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Wow saint..chill, he wants a more pay as ya go plan....how does that assault the bastions of capatilism....If peoples legitimate posts bother ya so much skip them.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Grmmmblmmmm....
Sorry, bad mood + I face this every week at work : People want things better AND cheaper...
it just doesn't work that way....
Grmmbllmm......Going back to my cave now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Saw/Saintaw
Don't shoot ! I am only an observer......
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/dorasaw.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-20-2000).]
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Look pal - why bother writing at all if you can't even get a simple concept that many people don't want just cheap items - they just don't want to pay for what they are not going to use?
Where was it I'd said I wanted it cheap? We've been through this in WB years ago with dolps from AW/FA popping in now and then on AGW advocating flat rate. Try using other than Yahoo souces for info on capitalism - you may find out that one has to be flexible to survive.
HTC have limited manpower to address all the issues and may be (understandably)simply unable to maintain multiple price plans - fair enough. But they are (will be) loosing revenue because of the inflexibility of flat rate and that's a fact.
p.s. My CH setup cost me more than 190 quid and has worked like a charm for the last 3-odd years - I guess you get what you pay for, right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)?
p.p.s. Duck - in the UK you can buy a share in a plane - all you pay then is fuel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
p.p.s. Rip - I don't want to go barefoot - I (silly me) just want the shoes of my size and am prepared to pay for it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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-lynx-
13 Sqn RAF
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there are alot of player who quit AH because of no other price choice. id still be flying
if i had another choice than flat $30/month.
but as it is now, HTC rather have 75 people
@ 30 than 150 people with a few @ less than $30, and those few might would go $30 at a later date. but by not having a wider choice
u effectively tell them u dont want thier money, and their $30 may never come back.
during the 1st 2 weeks of 1.0 u had an avg of 95 people playing all the time,
now the most i see at the peak hours is 80.
and to think, maybe at $10/5hour rate u might
be over the 100 mark easy.
Hotdog who lives in Newzealand, said $30us is $75 NZ whew
Whels (misses his F4U-C) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Try using other than Yahoo souces for info on capitalism
I do, and was just taking the p***s....
Am home now, and just want to fly...so, I'll get back to you (Pal) tomorrow, when I'll be in a bad mood again at the office (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
(Btw, this man might be my neigbour....mhhhh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
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Saw/Saintaw
Don't shoot ! I am only an observer......
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/dorasaw.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-20-2000).]
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Originally posted by whels:
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during the 1st 2 weeks of 1.0 u had an avg of 95 people playing all the time,
now the most i see at the peak hours is 80.
and to think, maybe at $10/5hour rate u might
be over the 100 mark easy.
Hotdog who lives in Newzealand, said $30us is $75 NZ whew
Whels (misses his F4U-C) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
And if I paid people $100 an hour we have even more people playing.
HiTech
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ROTFLMAO!!! HT...Can I sign up for THAT plan? Please????
I find this topic so hilarious. I remember numerous un-dying threads on AGW with just the exact OPPOSITE argument. "If ICI (imol, ien, etc) would just charge a flat rate they'd have so many more customers, with so much more revenue...blah, blah, blah" It's amazing.
Signing off before my mouth starts spewing forth flammable gases. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hobo
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heheh -lynx- I AM cow owner of a four seat low wing.. and talking about 30$US i WAS refering to the fuel only LOL
-> 1 liter AVgas is 1.5 $US here :-/
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And if I paid people $100 an hour we have even more people playing.
HiTech
And if you had a more flexible pricing plan you would have more players too.
kjb
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How can you get more flexible than $30 or £20
per month all you can eat to fly Aces High.
I for one am waiting for Flat Rate in Brand W
mainly because of the three price plans they have on offer they are not worth the flying time given, mainly because if i was flying over there my bill would go above £100 mark and yes thats with a social life too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I am no economics major, but I would think the idea behind one price flat rate is the guy that flys 10 hours a day, 7 days a week is canceled out by the guy who flys for a couple hours every other day. SO if Hitech starts to change hourly then he looses money, Aces High goes away and I jump off a very high building. I know I wont get my moneys worth come summer "I will but you know what I mean" but I will enjoy myself anyway. I feel for those who cant affoard it, or justify spending that much, but I personally, myself, me...am greatfull for a 30 bucks a month flat rate.
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I guess it comes down to your enjoyment in the end, despite the costs for some. We won't go into what enjoyment is for people, but one thing's gotta be *numbers* in the arena.
For me, I'm still hanging in there, but it's getting real hard to justify. The enjoyment isn't great during the weekdays. More often than not, I log off frustrated coz I've changed sides to balance play and 20 minutes later it's lopsided again and I'm off wondering the country side sight seeing. But then that's another story...<sigh>.
Let me pose another question, how many of you would continue playing if you were paying $100/month just to *really* play on the weekends?
I'll offer my services...there are PC swapmeets around where I live. I'm happy to go once a week to play the game at these swapmeets as a promotion. Just need HTC's permission and maybe a promotional account (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Ex.
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Justleave pricing the way it is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
And come to an end!
maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
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IMO the actual pricing is not really too much expensive if you are able to fly a lot of hours. I usually fly two hours per day, an average of half a dollar per hour. But, it is clear that there are a lot of people considering 30$ a month expensive for his hours per day play ratio and IMO we need to keep them into the game.
Having 80 (in my timezone I usually find less than 60) people flying at the same time is almost right for me (preferably with only two countries). But this situation could change drastically with the new ground units. Then, 80 people won't be enought at all. I hope HT considers this very important factor.
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I'm in the same timezone (and squad) as Extreme, and I agree wholeheartedly with what he says.
I'm paying at the moment, but am considering the pros and cons.
AU$100.00 is a lot when I realistically only get to play in numbers on a weekend day. I also have a familiy, so best play for me is usually on Saturday.
I don't think anyone is whining. But I think the rule has been set, so in the end we'll need to choose whether the amount of fun we have (with regard to numbers in the arena) is worth the money we pay.
Still thinking
SKORNI