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Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Nomak on January 07, 2007, 10:13:55 PM
The title says it all......

Opinions?

Dave
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Reschke on January 07, 2007, 11:40:59 PM
Running 3DMark06 right now on a fresh and clean installation of WinXP Home SP2 with my Core2Duo and an 8800GTS with 640MB Ram. I will let you know in the morning what the score ends up being.

Well I just got the results now.

E6600 Core2Duo @ stock speed
EVGA 680i motherboard
EVGA 8800GTS 640MB stock speed
2GB DDR2800 Corsair XMS
WD Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

I posted an 8837 3DMark score.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Krusty on January 08, 2007, 12:55:33 AM
1 single 8800 will leave a dual 7900 setup in the dust. It's just that radically different.

However, having said that, a 7900 is still damn respectable. I can't see anything out there today that would reach the limit of the 7900's capabilities, and you should get along fine for years to come with the card you have.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 08, 2007, 02:30:55 AM
I found the 8800GTS a slight disappointment. It's not that big a leap over my old Radeon 800GTO I was expecting. Plus the 8800 drivers are absolutely horrible. Buggy, hard to navigate, lack functionality of older drivers.. A near disaster.

I absolutely detest the new .net based GUI.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: SunKing on January 08, 2007, 09:07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Krusty
1 single 8800 will leave a dual 7900 setup in the dust. It's just that radically different.



What about going to a 8800 from a 7800GT? How big a leap is that?
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: whels on January 08, 2007, 10:52:15 AM
good place to test Video card vs Video card.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 08, 2007, 12:41:29 PM
The biggest problem with SLI is that when you buy a card you reason: When I need more power, I can get a similar second card upgrade cheaper than I bought this now.

When in reality it will be like: Pay $350 for a second outdated card for a 25% performance increase OR dish out $450 for a new generation that's 50-80% faster.

So the only appeal for SLI is for real geeks who want to invest $1100 for a high-end graphics SLI setup.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Nomak on January 09, 2007, 08:03:58 AM
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Originally posted by Reschke
Running 3DMark06 right now on a fresh and clean installation of WinXP Home SP2 with my Core2Duo and an 8800GTS with 640MB Ram. I will let you know in the morning what the score ends up being.

Well I just got the results now.

E6600 Core2Duo @ stock speed
EVGA 680i motherboard
EVGA 8800GTS 640MB stock speed
2GB DDR2800 Corsair XMS
WD Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

I posted an 8837 3DMark score.


Does XP home recongnize both of your cpu's?
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: republic on January 09, 2007, 08:34:21 AM
If money is no object, by far the 8800GTS is the best choice.  If your like me, and money is a BIG object :) , you might could sell your current card to offset the additional cost.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Reschke on January 09, 2007, 09:50:20 AM
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Originally posted by Nomak
Does XP home recongnize both of your cpu's?


I really don't know because I haven't checked.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 09, 2007, 10:21:17 AM
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Originally posted by republic
If money is no object, by far the 8800GTS is the best choice.  If your like me, and money is a BIG object :) , you might could sell your current card to offset the additional cost.


Uhm if money is no object, 8800GTX in SLI configuration would be the choice at the moment. At least untill R600 comes out.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Nomak on January 09, 2007, 10:47:47 AM
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Originally posted by Reschke
I really don't know because I haven't checked.


I only ask because someone that I work with claims that xp home does'nt work with dual core cpu's.  I dont know if he is correct or not.  If you dont mind checking I would be curious to know.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: republic on January 09, 2007, 11:03:03 AM
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Uhm if money is no object, 8800GTX in SLI configuration would be the choice at the moment. At least untill R600 comes out.


I was just picking from the 2 choices he offered.  :)  

On a side note, I wish I had the extra pennies to be considering even a single "lowly" 8800GTS!  
I can't wait to see what the R600 can do.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Nomak on January 09, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Its a tough call.

The truth is that the 7900 I am now using is a fine card and I am getting simply unreal FR's with it at the moment.  However I paid alot of extra money for a MB that had true X16 pcie support in SLI.  So it just really bugs me every time I look over and I see 1 empty pcie slot.

To make matters worse, my 7900gt is the evga overclocked version that is for all intents and purposes no longer available.  So if I buy another 7900 it will have different clock speeds.  Nvidia says its ok to use different clock speeds on the different gpu's while in SLI but it just seems to me that it certianly wouldnt be optimal.  I really am not sure as this would be my first attempt at SLI.  Any opinions on this matter?

Its catch 22.  I hate spending money on an outdated card and I hate getting rid of a dang fine card that I paid $300 for just a few months ago to move up to an 8800.

I was looking at the link that whels posted.  Looks to me like the 8800 series doesnt really perform better than the others until the resoulition really goes up.  At the resoulition that I am using I am not convinced that a single 8800 will out perform 2 7900gt's.

The numbers on the ATI x1950xtx are very impressive.  To bad it costs what an 8800gts does....

Its probably best to just wait and see where the prices go.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: Krusty on January 09, 2007, 11:38:32 AM
SLI is really just a sales pitch. It's like 8 cores in a computer. You don't get extra performance from it, you just spend more money.

While you get insane FRs now, you'll only get maybe 15% more fps with the second card, at more than double the cost (counting price of high-end SLI motherboard and high-end PSU with dual PCIe plugs and extra connectors, etc).

I say live with the empty slot. Use the money on a faster CPU or more RAM or water cooling. You won't gain at all by wasting it on another vid card when the one you have is already getting "insane" FRs.
Title: Add a second 7900GT or go to 1 8800GTS?
Post by: republic on January 09, 2007, 12:20:57 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
SLI is really just a sales pitch. It's like 8 cores in a computer. You don't get extra performance from it, you just spend more money.

While you get insane FRs now, you'll only get maybe 15% more fps with the second card, at more than double the cost (counting price of high-end SLI motherboard and high-end PSU with dual PCIe plugs and extra connectors, etc).

I say live with the empty slot. Use the money on a faster CPU or more RAM or water cooling. You won't gain at all by wasting it on another vid card when the one you have is already getting "insane" FRs.


I agree Krusty.  For the end user, SLI is basically a bragging right at this point.  A very expensive bragging right, especially considering the price drops the average "high end" video card undergoes only months after launch.

I do think that the 8 cores in a computer might actually help one day.  The reason being is that they are becoming so cheap.  Most ever new PC now will have at least 2 cores, so it is inevitable for developers to write multithreaded code as everyone comes to own a multiprocessor system.

But SLI will probably never be cheap enough and thereby pervasive enough for developers to ever spend a great amount of time making games with a level of graphics that would require the 2nd card.

But...who knows. :)