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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: B@tfinkV on January 08, 2007, 02:17:10 AM
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(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/La7.JPG)
how many kills can you land in the 'uber plane' that 'even a 3 year old could get kills in'
how many people here claim the la7 to be a dweeb ride but couldnt even land 3 kills in one?
my geuss is that most people here wouldnt have a clue about flying the la7 aside from picking and running.
so far the very best i can do is 16 kills in 3 reloads but i failed to land as a Ki61 shot me down for number 17.
best so far that i actualy made it home in one piece was 14 landed the other day.
the person who can show film of the highest ammount of kills in the la7 is the winner!
RULES:
-no vulching, no hording, no shade cheating.
- no kills on GVs, PT boats or Goons count. fighters and bombers only.
-film must show that you fought in a roughly even sided fight between two bases. if the majority of the film shows you to be in 2-1 odds in your favour or better it is invalid.
-film must be in one part from the moment of the first kill till the sortie is landed.
Who will be able to claim to be the king of dweebs by Febuary 1st??
a new 'uber ride' will be chosen for febuary by the winner.
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I think some of your rules are too open to interpretation.
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Should make it one load of fuel/ammo to keep the films short. The best I've managed is 11 in one load, but had 7 one sortie with half my ammo left when I pranged my prop on the blown up invisible radar tower.
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1022_1157675034_viking-la7.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1022_1157675057_viking-la7-kills.jpg)
Won't count since I don't have film, and it is also old since I don't fly anymore. Still it was fun landing those kills. :)
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Originally posted by Geary420
Should make it one load of fuel/ammo to keep the films short. The best I've managed is 11 in one load, but had 7 one sortie with half my ammo left when I pranged my prop on the blown up invisible radar tower.
this is no longer a problem
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bat i going to have to start flyin the LA7 now it should be fun at the lest. now if i get this right you can rearm as much as you want and is this only the LA7 or is it both LA7 and LA5
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and you said nothing about cherry picking high alt flyin and just picking people off
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6 so far...didnt record or take a picture..didnt know about this comp
ive done it once i can do it again, although i doubt i will get close to 14 :P because i am actually new, in comparison :aok
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La7 only.
Film must be shown to proove no vulching.
Send all film entries to Djhayze21@hotmail.com
you may reload 100 times if you need, but to enter the kills must be landed
you can pick, you can BnZ you can do what you like as far as a fair fight goes.
if it is 10 vets on 2 noobs and you're constantly in the 10 then no dice.
if its a big furball style fight in the sector then just fly as you like, but make sure you film from before the first kill.
I will be the judge of the films credibilty, and therefore i am not able to enter, so my 14 dont count.
the current record stands at 0 unless IcemanVS can show a film of his 6.
(viking, very impressive sortie there, you bastage, ive been ging for 20 since jan 1st with no luck :))
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So what's the prize? Just curious.
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re-title this "how limpwristed can you possibly get".
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storch, i here by challenge you to get 10 kills safely landed in the MA flying an la7.
i don't think you could land 3 without alot of effort..
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Can February 2007 be Spit I competition month?
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Just when I thought I was seeing fewer La7s in the MA we're encouraged to fly them more.
I'm in.
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I got to eight my 1st hop before 1lefty popped my pilot...(woke up just in time to see the maple I ran into:)....I'd say 25 is a good number to shoot for....
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Bat's official squad ride:)
(http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/71stsquadride.jpg)
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I can't wait to start killing LA-7's and ruin all you guy's days.
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LOL snap! the mod for the la7, who needs ailerons.
Originally posted by Max
Can February 2007 be Spit I competition month?
only if you win for january.
i fear you have gravely overlooked my intentions max.
everybody wanks on about la7 this, la7 that.
i'd like to see most of the 'vets' that do the moaning land a large ammount of kills in it.
max, i'd rank you above storch, but i doubt you wuld find it easy to breach the 5 kills mark before you get shot.
the 14 kills i landed was from a huge furball that was greatly unfair numerically to my team.
what ever you say, that hour of flying took alot of my virtual 'skill' to accomplish, and i too find it hard to breach the 5 kills mark on most sorties.
given that it is SUCH a dweeb ride, it cant be that hard to land 20 kills in one right.......?
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Time to hop an la-7 and kill all potential movie makers..............:)
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I flew LAs "exclusively for a tour" -- and gave up after 1.5 weeks of "light" flying with 100 kills and 20 deaths. [edit: fixed number, LA7 only, tour 80]
That's not even trying. I'll leave this one to your Bat, maybe I'll try the next one. I'm just burnt out on the La after 1.5 weeks, and this was a couple of months ago as well. I still have no desire to go back :)
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Call me when you will run F4U-1D competition :aok I cannt competed against best hog drivers of course, but can land some kills at least :lol
But La7... no chance, it turns too bad and DONT HAVE WING GUNS :furious
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lol.. don't count on it. ;)
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Point spread is 14, no vulches just good clean close kills. If i can do 16 in a spit 16 the i would think that you could duplicate it but the la7 but the cannons are weaker and you only need 7 hits with the 20mm in a spit.
I always run out of gas before i use all my ammo in the la7. Also its a base defence plane so your not going to be in a favorable fight that would allow you the amount of cons needed to do such a run in under 18mins.
14 is a good marker.....
All yall plane discriminator people need to take a pill and have some fun. Fly the la7 make others look bad if you can. Try something other than a "excuse plane" that's what i call them. I really think their are some people that fly the higher eny planes just because they dont really like the idea getting beat by i lower eny plane and in the back of their mind say "well i was flyn a p40b" you got beat thats all (:
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well said FX.
the point of this is not to decide what planes are cool or not.
its to see who is the biggest and best dweeb in the la7 for january '07
if you cant fly la7 for whatever reason, no one is forcing you to ;)
if you can, then lets see how dweeb you can be!
top dweeb choses the plane for febuary.
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Dweeb VETS unite and lets make a mess of main.
Chan 200 should be a good show tonight..
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Poor sole, "WTF La7 cant do that"
Vet dweeb, "well i just did"
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I'm assuming "top dweeb" can't pick a plane that was just used, i.e. can't pick la7 if you just finished la7?
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The La-7 is incredibly good. It's range on internal is also much better than most people believe. If you throttle back to best cruise setting on MAP and RPM it will last a long time. And it is still faster on cruise than a Spit16 is on MIL. That big engine on MIL is just for climb outs, and WEP is just for quick exits and knife fighting.
Make no mistake; the La-7 is the supreme unperked dogfighter in AHII.
Edit: Just made an offline test. The La-7 will do 320 mph on the deck at max cruise settings. That's almost the exact same speed as the Spit16 at MIL. And the La-7 will do it for 41 minutes.
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Batfink what have you done hahaha.
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Thank you Bat for filling the skies with even more LALAs :D
They are fun to shoot down as they desperatly try to get away from the fight.
If you are afraid of them they will be all over you cause they really can smell fear (its when you turn your back on them), but if you fly aggressivly against them they will pack up and leave..
;)
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Looks at Batfink.....
What in the he11 are you thinking Son?
Next time ask me before you come up with some hair brain Idea.....
...kids...what are ya gonna do with em...where do they come up with these crazy ideas? More LA7's...just what we need. Its TV...gott be TV....and that DAMNED internet....Crazy kids...the lot of em...crazy.
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Never flown an LA7 and don't ever intend to :)
I don't care if anyone else does, but it just doesn't appeal to me at all.
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BOY GEE THANKS BAT I REALLY NEED ALL THE PERKS I CAN GET!!! YOUR DA BEST.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Never flown an LA7 and don't ever intend to :)
I don't care if anyone else does, but it just doesn't appeal to me at all.
Wrong color? ;)
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LMAO Red :D
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Originally posted by humble
Bat's official squad ride:)
(http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/71stsquadride.jpg)
Ah, the little known La-7z variant -- the clipped-wing variant sometimes referred to as the "deep clip". It is reported to have amazing roll properties, although its landing speed was considered a touch high for unpaved Russian runways close to the front, which is perhaps why more z's weren't used during WWII. The designer of the z is said to have felt that, if a little of something is good, way more of it is even better.
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Dang it had 4 kills in my LA7 and died on my 5th HO:furious
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I wanna see what happens when Killnu,Shawk,AKDogg or Skatsr flies one:rofl
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Ahh man, was sitting 10 last night when someone saw me with the video camera hanging out the window and zapped. me.
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Yeah, cool, more LaLa's.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by bj229r
I wanna see what happens when Killnu,Shawk,AKDogg or Skatsr flies one:rofl
pretty sure i saw killnu land 12 in a la7 this afternoon 1/9/07:aok
and i bet he,s just warmin up!!!:O
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dont be fooled, killnu has flown the la7 before ;)
what you people who sont like this idea need to do to prove your whines are worthy, is land a stupid ammount of fair kills on film to show us dweebs just how easy mode the la7 is.
but of course, you're better than flying the la7.
so either enjoy the thread for the fun it is intended for, or kindly leave the already boring 'great more la7s' whine.
i truly dont understand it, mainly because anyone who isnt 'destroying the game' in an la7 is probably doing it in a 190d or P51.
a plane is a plane is a plane, just like a whine is an excuse is an easy way out when losing.
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Sorry but i have to say this do you have to encourage more people to fly the damn LA?
there is enough of them as it is.
Im not saying i could do this little challenge thing you have going because i couldnt because i never fly the la EVER but there is still more than enough people flying them and you have just made it worse.
i was wondering why there was so many of them about lately too now i know why.
ducking for cover
:noid
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Outstanding Batfink:aok
Im gonna give it a try.
Is there a different point spread if all filmed kills are LA7s?
:p
:rofl
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
what you people who sont like this idea need to do to prove your whines are worthy, is land a stupid ammount of fair kills on film to show us dweebs just how easy mode the la7 is.
but of course, you're better than flying the la7.
so either enjoy the thread for the fun it is intended for, or kindly leave the already boring 'great more la7s' whine.
i truly dont understand it, mainly because anyone who isnt 'destroying the game' in an la7 is probably doing it in a 190d or P51.
a plane is a plane is a plane, just like a whine is an excuse is an easy way out when losing.
Batfink, I don't really play anymore... So take this for what it's worth.
But this little contest right here... What are you trying to prove? You know as well as I do that, given a few tries, any half-decent player can tear around in a La7.
Easy mode? Well, no more than a Corsair or Mustang or any other fast plane. It has its weaknesses, and those can be exploited. That, and, at least when I played, there weren't too many half-decent players who flew it.
But still, I have to wonder, what are you trying to prove in this contest? What result are you trying to achieve?
For your next contest, I'd like you to try something different. How about instead of having a contest that rewards people who rack up a ton of kills and LAND them, (or are disqualified), how about having a contest to see who can send in the most exciting single sortie film?
Perhaps bring in some judges (the trainers and some invitee judges would be great), and have them judge who has the most exciting film, or the film that best demonstrates a variety of tactics or such.
No editing, just a regular, raw AHII film showing the best action.
I think something like that might produce a better experience in the MA for the month than this contest, no offense.
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hes doing it for fun and light hearted entertainment, just today we were all going up in la7's someone comes back and lands 4, so everyone else ups to do better
it just creates a fun environment, a break from the usual text communication that goes on, and i am enjoying it.
but i do see what he is getting at on a serious note, all the people who whine how easy it is, should be able to go out and rack up a bunch of kills, this competition is an experiment to prove that its just as difficult of a plane than any other (give or take, dont nit pick this point, you know what i mean)
if it was a uber dweeb machine, wed have lots of entrants showing lots of kills, people who are new to the communtiy, aswell as vets.
but it also has a light hearted side, like i said..
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The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.
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so the plane is "new" to me in the sense that I've never flown it for any significant period of time. To be candid I'm a bit suprised at just how mediocre it is. All in all its simply not a truely formidable airplane. I'm curious how many who bash it have spent any real time in it.
Now i'll qualifty the above remark by putting it in the context of how I fly. I dont ever B&Z and rarely am over 10k for long. I am a decent E fighter and so I do take fights "up" when possible. Obviously if you simply pick you can land kills in any fast plane (Tiffie, pony, D9, 109K4, P47N etc) but the lala is actually "prey" for these planes in general.
Here is a general overview of some glaring shortcomings (IMO)....
1) range
Yes you can throttle back but it only has 20 min or so at mil settings. I've actually fought it whole fights at reduced throttle (2100 rpm or so). In the MA enviornment the limited range does matter...
2) moderate performance at alt....
It's not bad at 10-12k but its sweet spot is pretty low. So as you get higher it is limited similiarly to the tempest.
3) marginal elevator control at high speed. The bird seems to want to nose up at high speed and requires trim.
4) Marginal rudder authority in the vertical. Just doesnt seem nimble on the edge in semi vertical reversals...
5) very weak guns...I cant believe the number of guys I've lit up who flew on. Usually I'd get the kill later if they died...but at least 5 of my 9 deaths are directly a result of having to "rekill" a guy (again I dont generally pick and run).
6) relatively poor visabilty/gunsight view. Not easy to hit at range or on snapshots..
7) marginal E bleed, the darn thing doesnt slow down well. That combined with the moderate control authority makes it tough against a well flown opponent.
Is it a bad plane no. Is it dangerous in the hands of a relatively unskilled pilot...yes. Is it an uber killing machine....not that I can see. All in all its about as good as a spitXVI which IMO is about the most overrated bird in the plane set. To me the B pony is as dangerous (or more so) then eother one of them....
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Originally posted by Viking
The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.
Uh, the La-7 actually forces people to fight the four or five Spitfires behind the La-7 ;)
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Yup, that too. Hovever if you find yourself in a situation with an La-7 and four Spits on your tail ... you're supposed to die. The trick is to never get in that situation. ;)
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Originally posted by Viking
Yup, that too. Hovever if you find yourself in a situation with an La-7 and four Spits on your tail ... you're supposed to die. The trick is to never get in that situation. ;)
True, but as I recall, (in the old MA, anyway, have no idea about the new ones), I'd either be in a situation like that, or have nothing to shoot at :D
Anyway, I always had fun fighting La7's when I could find one that would fight 1 v 1, so if this competition gets some people to try them out and do that, great. It's just I don't see how having a contest about landing as many kills as possible is going to do that.
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Originally posted by Viking
The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.
F4Us cannt run from anything faster than spit5 :rolleyes: (except hog-4) Only problem with la7 i have, 95% of them ever more timid than "runstangs and run90s".
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Originally posted by Vudak
Batfink, I don't really play anymore... So take this for what it's worth.
But this little contest right here... What are you trying to prove? .
how about trying to prove nothing and just doing it for the hell of it?
not every person has a hidden agenda you know, just trying to have some fun. now when so called experienced players totaly ride over that bit of fun i call them out to prove how easy the la7 is. only fair i rekon.
no offence taken of course vudak, and ive seen you flying la7s!!1
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Originally posted by Oleg
F4Us cannt run from anything faster than spit5 :rolleyes: (except hog-4)
Guess you haven't tried the -1a then. Just as fast as the Pony-D. Those rolleyes really suits you btw.
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Originally posted by Viking
Guess you haven't tried the -1a then. Just as fast as the Pony-D.
You missed the word "almost" and same rolleyes smile, i guess. Ever F4U-4 slower than pony except quite limited high altitude range. Leave alone -1A which is generally nothing but slightly improved F4U-1 w/o some staff for carier operations, afaik. I doubt it ever faster than F4U-1D.
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at sea level it's faster than the 1-D
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Originally posted by Oleg
You missed the word "almost" and same rolleyes smile, i guess. Ever F4U-4 slower than pony except quite limited high altitude range. Leave alone -1A which is generally nothing but slightly improved F4U-1 w/o some staff for carier operations, afaik. I doubt it ever faster than F4U-1D.
The F4U-1a is a 1944 version of the -1 and is 1 mph slower than the Pony, and the -4 is much faster than the Pony. The -1D is the slowest F4U.
Speed on the deck:
F4U-1: 359 mph
F4U-1A: 366 mph
F4U-1D: 358 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Pony-D: 367mph
As you can see you are clearly speaking rubbish.
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Originally posted by Viking
The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.
Its the LA7 that does most of the running unless its part of a horde, upping from capped field or has no choise. I never fly any of the planes you mentioned but the LA7 still tries to run from my not so nimble A8 if they miss on the first pass/HO.
There are however some really brilliant LA7 drivers out there and they usually make sure i hit the ground first :D
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Yes the La-7 runs when it wants to, that's a given. However that is not why it is hated. Catching the others that run on the other hand... ;)
You fly the 190A-8? You must like pain.
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The A8 does not climb or turn well, and its not fast but that makes it even more fun when you make it home with the kills. :)
Manage your E well, use the decent rollrate and learn how to hit with 4x20mm + 2x13mm and its deadly.
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I'd rather take the 110G-2 for a spin. ;)
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the 110 can be fun for sure!
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Originally posted by Viking
As you can see you are clearly speaking rubbish.
Well, you beat me. Dunno but my personal feeling was very different.
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I took the lala up lastnight. I was suprised by how quickly the ammo disappears from the 3-gun version. I was also suprised by how little damage the 20mm guns do. And, lastly, I was suprised how well the 2-gun version turns on the deck.
A nice little plane. Maybe with some flight time, I might like it. Being a "turn fighter", I didn't like the way it held energy. Until I slowed down to flap speed (a suprising 180-200mph), I was spending most of my turns in a near black-out.
A very responsive plane on the deck, no matter what speed I was at. I did like the way I caught that pony. That was nice.
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my senoir D.I. some 27 yrs ago, would hunt me down and possibly kill me if i drove a la7. Just can't do her.;)
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Well, made it to 9 last night before getting wasted.
Is filming the run an absolute requirement? Some of those films are going to be large and I'm not sure you're going to get buy in?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
no offence taken of course vudak, and ive seen you flying la7s!!1
Indeed you have :D
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i made 10 before colliding with a Mossie HO... should have seen it coming really. managed to land them lol
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WTG, got a film? send me a film to djhayze21@hotmail.com oe host it n post it yur self!
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it dont really count cos the first 1 or 2 kills was against runway runners trying to vulch our field... so more than 4 on 1.... could host it anyway...hmm
edit: put it up anyway.. almost 1hour of flying timid so not to die lol....
http://www.adamjwebb.aquiss.com/Pictures/Aces_High/10kills_la7.rar
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Originally posted by Brooke
Ah, the little known La-7z variant -- the clipped-wing variant sometimes referred to as the "deep clip". It is reported to have amazing roll properties
Using the vators and rudder to roll would be a little on the slow side methinks, I've had that happen to me before, sure was a fast ride while it lasted :D
The biggest problem with landing big kills in the ElGay is that you become a high priority target for most of the red guys. I routinely get 4-7 before getting overwhelmed low and slow or latched onto by a Churri. Other than that, if flown timidly and pure B&Z 20+ should not be difficult at all. It will take a long time though, hotmail will not accept the huge attachment (the film), and the pile-it will be bored to tears. I'd suggest a rethink of the criteria to include a screenshot instead, but of course then folks will just vulch their shades to post 100+ kills...sigh.
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Well bat it looks likes everyone like to talk and no one is putting up any numbers. Tonight i will fly a La7 and rack up a couple kills for ya. Just need a cv off our base..
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overlag got 10, clean.
gotta beat that fx :aok
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Cool will try...
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
overlag got 10, clean.
gotta beat that fx :aok
lol i was gettin bored by the end, not my fave ride at all
that was 16 without death, but landed the first 6 (wasnt recording)... that was also fast base defence as they was trying to sneak our Vbase.
my fave 2 kills was the p47 (which managed to land with half a wing) and the f4u gang on me..... and then bish and rook Spit16s i took down.
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Tune in next week to watch batfink produce a little less controversy when he drops a live kitten into a barrel of half staved ferrets and teaches dogs to play fetch with live grenades, all infront of 200 armed PETA members.....
:p
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Had 7 then the arena went bye bye , was on my 2nd hop and 5th beer :) now im sitting here and i lost count on the beer, oh well maybe next time
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Originally posted by mussie
Tune in next week to watch batfink produce a little less controversy when he drops a live kitten into a barrel of half staved ferrets and teaches dogs to play fetch with live grenades, all infront of 200 armed PETA members.....
:p
lmmfao!!!!!!!!:rofl :rofl
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so do i win cos i was the only one gay enough to try?
LOL :rofl
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January isnt over yet Overlag! :D
Batfink, do TA kills count?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
January isnt over yet Overlag! :D
Batfink, do TA kills count?
Thought TA had it to where you couldn't kill anyone , or am I thinking of kill shooter and if you happen to be able to change country you can still kill
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You really shouldn't have swatted the bee hive! lol
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Originally posted by JB35
Thought TA had it to where you couldn't kill anyone , or am I thinking of kill shooter and if you happen to be able to change country you can still kill
Damage is set to 0.001 in the Training Arena. :)
Killshooter is actually off. EnemyMidAirs are on.
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Originally posted by Viking
The F4U-1a is a 1944 version of the -1 and is 1 mph slower than the Pony, and the -4 is much faster than the Pony. The -1D is the slowest F4U.
Speed on the deck:
F4U-1: 359 mph
F4U-1A: 366 mph
F4U-1D: 358 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Pony-D: 367mph
As you can see you are clearly speaking rubbish.
At MIL, the F4U-4 is barely faster up to 3Kft, then the P-51D owns it to 17Kft. At that point, they roughly travel at the same speeds until about 19.5Kft. And then it's all the P-51D again. The only hope for the F4U-1A is to catch a slow pony at 24Kft, otherwise, it isn't even in contention
At WEP, the F4U-4 has the clear advantage until, again, 3Kft, then the Pony takes over up to about 17.5Kft. Then it's the Hog again all the way up to 22Kft. After that, it's a crap-shoot. The F4U-1A looses alot until 15K to 16Kft. The only hope, speed-wise, for the F4U-1A is to catch a pony at sealevel or between 15K-16K. Otherwise, it's severly outclassed on speed.
All of the numbers you "quote" are at sealevel.
Originally posted by Oleg
Ever F4U-4 slower than pony except quite limited high altitude range.
Actually, Viking, Oleg got it right.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so far the very best i can do is 16 kills in 3 reloads but i failed to land as a Ki61 shot me down for number 17.
best so far that i actualy made it home in one piece was 14 landed the other day.
Who will be able to claim to be the king of dweebs by Febuary 1st??
a new 'uber ride' will be chosen for febuary by the winner.
You use too much ammo. I've landed 14 before without a rearm. 10 is more than plausible with no reloads.
I think rearms for these types of contests are on the side of easymode.
The REAL challenge: "You have 450 rounds. How many can you get?"
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Originally posted by TexInVa
At MIL, the F4U-4 is barely faster up to 3Kft, then the P-51D owns it to 17Kft. At that point, they roughly travel at the same speeds until about 19.5Kft. And then it's all the P-51D again. The only hope for the F4U-1A is to catch a slow pony at 24Kft, otherwise, it isn't even in contention
At WEP, the F4U-4 has the clear advantage until, again, 3Kft, then the Pony takes over up to about 17.5Kft. Then it's the Hog again all the way up to 22Kft. After that, it's a crap-shoot. The F4U-1A looses alot until 15K to 16Kft. The only hope, speed-wise, for the F4U-1A is to catch a pony at sealevel or between 15K-16K. Otherwise, it's severly outclassed on speed.
All of the numbers you "quote" are at sealevel.
The key thing you're all missing is acceleration. The Pony out accelerates all the hogs except for the -4 hog. And the -4 hog out accelerates the Pony significantly. This is why it appears that the Pony is much faster than the other hogs, it is rare when you begin a chase where both planes are at their maximum speed, so generally its acceleration that makes the most of the difference.
Same reason why you get so many complaints of CHEATER!! That spit16 can't catch my !! Sorry, but given the acceleration curve in many cases it can and will regardless of top speed.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You use too much ammo. I've landed 14 before without a rearm. 10 is more than plausible with no reloads.
I think rearms for these types of contests are on the side of easymode.
The REAL challenge: "You have 450 rounds. How many can you get?"
circumstances pending though.....that 16 was in a very big furball, got shot at, got kills stolen, sometimes ran out of fuel before ammo and visa versa.
sometimes i find a bunch of seals to club and i get 10 in one sortie and still have half my ammo. good aim day.
other times i can spend half my ammo on one single bleeding 190, or spend all my fuel in a tactical fight and only land 2 kills.
best i think i got without a reload was either 11 or 13, i forget, but that was too easy. i find a sortie with 2 very tough fights that i win more satisfying than landing 10 easy kills.
you're right though, 450 cannon is enough to go well into double figures if your aim is on form, cant deny that sir.
i think the challenge i intended was how far are you willling to push your luck?
hence having to show film and to land safely with your kills at your base.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
you're right though, 450 cannon is enough to go well into double figures if your aim is on form, cant deny that sir.
i think the challenge i intended was how far are you willling to push your luck?
hence having to show film and to land safely with your kills at your base.
No dissrespect at all to you. I hope you knew that already though. I was "just sayin' as all".
<> bro and keep up the good work.
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of course i saw no offence intended, no fear mate, and youre quite correct, im using too much ammo or not finding enough targets if it takes 3 reloads for 16 kills in the la7.
16 was the best tally in the la7 i have ever reached even though at other times i might get 10 kills in 5 mins with enough luck.
S!
so far overlag is still in 1st place with 10 victories landed and film evidence.
if no one beats that you will be chosing the uber 'easy mode' ride for febuary :)
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Personally I don't have issues with the plane it's self. Every once in a while you will come across someone who is good and will put up a fight in a LA.
90% of the time you will come up against someone whom tries to HO you and then runs away to try to set up another HO or just plane runs away.
Then of course there are the ultra dweebs that try to do an HO ram simply because the LA will normally live trough it leaving your own plane in pieces.
I'm not the uber l33t fighter ace, but I'm learning more each day, but I find it true time and time again that if you take the fight to the LA after the intinal HO attempt, then they normally run away. I call it a "HO n GO".
So I don't think it's the plane it's self that people don't like but rather the typical pilot of it. Hell I'd consider flying it as a base defense plane if the odds were bad for my side, just because it seems to take a lot of hits. It's just the "HO n GO" dweebs that give all LA's a bad name and they seem to be the majority who fly it.
As a side note the only guys I hate more than a LA "HO n GO" is guys that can only dive at you from 15k and then run back up to 15k and try it again.
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Originally posted by crockett
As a side note the only guys I hate more than a LA "HO n GO" is guys that can only dive at you from 15k and then run back up to 15k and try it again.
Its called boom n zoom. :D
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Originally posted by Kuhn
Its called boom n zoom. :D
lol yea but I think Ho n Go sounds better.. :D
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I dont think you understand the diference between a HO and a BnZ.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so far overlag is still in 1st place with 10 victories landed and film evidence.
if no one beats that you will be chosing the uber 'easy mode' ride for febuary :)
only did it cos i was bored lol....never fly the dam thing really... although i must admit being able to chase down runners is great. Chasing those 2 spit16s down was funny
probably choose 109a5 or a8 next month...
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Originally posted by TexInVa
All of the numbers you "quote" are at sealevel.
Which is where it counts in this game. That's why the La-7 is so good, even if it sucks above 8k.
Originally posted by TexInVa
Actually, Viking, Oleg got it right.
Originally posted by Oleg
F4Us cannt run from anything faster than spit5 :rolleyes:
Are you sure about that?
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Btw. landed 6 then 11 in LW orange this evening. No film though.
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Originally posted by crockett
So I don't think it's the plane it's self that people don't like but rather the typical pilot of it.
never a better word spoken on the la7, i agree 100%.
:aok
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Originally posted by Viking
Which is where it counts in this game. That's why the La-7 is so good, even if it sucks above 8k.
Even though I can fight low, I like a little alt, even in my uber-dweeb spit9. And the pony won't stay low. Whomever flies a pony low just made a big mistake.
Originally posted by Viking
Are you sure about that?
On my original quote, yes. On what you changed me to quoting, no.
Did you take me for "stupid" and think I wasn't going to notice the change?
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Originally posted by TexInVa
On my original quote, yes. On what you changed me to quoting, no.
Did you take me for "stupid" and think I wasn't going to notice the change?
No I didn't take you for stupid and I meant no disrespect. That quote is the one that I replied to and thus the cause for your reply to my post.
If speed at altitude had any bearing on the performance of a plane in this game the Ta-152 would have been king and the Tempest would be mediocre at best. We both know this is not the case. Since this game does not focus on high-alt escorting and interception of bombers the high-alt performers (like your Spit9) serve little purpose. The "war" being played in this game is a low-medium alt war of battlefield support, much more like what was fought on the eastern front during WWII. Naturally planes optimized for low-alt performance are dominant in such a game.
You can argue the speed of the F4U and P-51 at 20k+ to your heart's content, but it will not change the fact that it is completely irrelevant to this game. And I still mean no disrespect.
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hey Tex
S! sir
i would like the oppertunity to disproove to you that the pony is dead down low against a good proportion of the planeset, if you would be intested in such a virtual test.
PS: spit9 is a very respectable plane to fly, and as a Brit i salute your fine taste :)
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OK, Viking...... I think you and I are carrying on two different conversations. So, to end the confusion, let me summarize what I'm reading and you correct me, OK?
1. Oleg claims F4U's are barely faster than Spit-V. Negative, all F4U's much faster than almost every spit, with the exception of very few at select altitudes.
2. Oleg also claims that the F4U is outclassed by the pony, except at very high altitudes. This is true, with the exception of the first 3K.
3. You claim that the F4U-4 is superior than the P-51D "on the deck". Since you haven't defined the deck altitude, I'll assume you mean sea level. Even though this is true, that the hog is faster at sea level, I want to point out that the pony rarely flies at sea level, let alone below 5K ft.
I think my biggest problem was with how you jumped Oleg. I've been running into a lot of vets that bemoan how the game is played and how their way was (and it probably was) better and how everybody should play it their way. How the "old timers" know better. Kinda elitist, I think. I get tired of the "because I've flown since AW and I said so" attitude, you know?
I shouldn't have jumped at you, and for this I apologize.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
hey Tex
S! sir
i would like the oppertunity to disproove to you that the pony is dead down low against a good proportion of the planeset, if you would be intested in such a virtual test.
PS: spit9 is a very respectable plane to fly, and as a Brit i salute your fine taste :)
Your reputation proceeds you, but my curiosity is killing me. I will be happy to meet you in DA. After I'm done posting this, I'm heading to the TA if you want to PM me.
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Originally posted by TexInVa
OK, Viking...... I think you and I are carrying on two different conversations. So, to end the confusion, let me summarize what I'm reading and you correct me, OK?
1. Oleg claims F4U's are barely faster than Spit-V. Negative, all F4U's much faster than almost every spit, with the exception of very few at select altitudes.
Agreed.
Originally posted by TexInVa
2. Oleg also claims that the F4U is outclassed by the pony, except at very high altitudes. This is true, with the exception of the first 3K.
And that exception makes Oleg's statement false. He did not make such an exception.
Originally posted by TexInVa
3. You claim that the F4U-4 is superior than the P-51D "on the deck". Since you haven't defined the deck altitude, I'll assume you mean sea level. Even though this is true, that the hog is faster at sea level, I want to point out that the pony rarely flies at sea level, let alone below 5K ft.
In this game you will find many Ponies on the deck (and yes I do mean sea level). When the Ponies find themselves in trouble they invariably dives for the deck and runs (not unlike many other planes in this game). When on the deck the Pony is at a disadvantage compared to many planes, including the F4U-1a and -4.
Originally posted by TexInVa
I think my biggest problem was with how you jumped Oleg. I've been running into a lot of vets that bemoan how the game is played and how their way was (and it probably was) better and how everybody should play it their way. How the "old timers" know better. Kinda elitist, I think. I get tired of the "because I've flown since AW and I said so" attitude, you know?
Yes perhaps I was a bit harsh with Oleg. I think his "rolleyes" ticked me off a bit.
Originally posted by TexInVa
I shouldn't have jumped at you, and for this I apologize.
Apology accepted, though an apology hardly seems necessary. :)
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tex i might be able to get on for a little bit but its half one in the morning and i gotta work at eight so i cant promise to be around im sorry, i will however auger at any time to go and mess around in DA or TA so please feel free to shout me in game anytime.
im not saying i am good in the pony, TW9 totaly chewed me up in ponyBs last time we fought, for instance, but i will however definitely make a strong case that both models of P51 in this game are very seldom used to thier potential and are very capable turn fighters with the correct throttle and speed management.
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hey tex i dug something out for you, its all about 2 things.
1 timing
2 making the enemy think they are about to get an easy kill before making your first move.
check out the relative speeds of the two aircraft from the start to the end of the following linked clip. for the P51 that is just a piss perfect manouver which is only enabled by completing both numbers 1 and 2 in the above mentioned list.
>FILM< (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/P51reverseF4U-1C.ahf)
sure its maybe one lucky kill, but i doubt very much the that an La7 stands more chance of pulling that move on a Chog in than a P51, or any other plane for that matter. Four hispano mounted on a rock solid gun platform starting on your tail with twice your speed and twice your alt, it dont matter if your in an RV-8 or a 262 you are going to have to have some kind of plan and you gunna need it fast. The P51 [modeled in AH2] will perform as good as the very vast majority of the plane set if not excede them, it is essentially an la7 with much better guns, huge ammounts of fuel that the engine makes feel like nothing, parasail flaps that any aircraft would be envious of, incredible visibilty, and only the slight disadvantage of being quite a hefty target in a flat turn. there is of course that whole pot belly radiator thing but like an oriental beauty with the pot belly thing goin on, you 'd happily spin the motor as the rest is in mint condition
yeah sorry, did i say i like the P51?
i checked online for a bit but i gotta crash now, ill go mess around one on one anytime with anyone unless somehow the arena is being exciting.
i shall leave us with a quote from the late winston churchill
"never before in the history of online gaming have so many planes been flown so disrespectfully by so many against so few."
edit: and the spit9 kick the ponys bellybutton so gnore my rantings
the reason ya thought theysucked was because all you see is them either running or beaing chewed up when they get caught.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
yeah sorry, did i say i like the P51?
*lol* No, whatever could have given me that idea? ;)
I'm glad you like the P-51, and I hope it serves you well. In the right hands it is deadly. In any case I can hardly fault you for flying the Pony seeing how I'm a Lala dweeb. :)
Good hunting
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man, i pretty much fly everything or 1 model of everything somewhere in some arena, i dont really know where anymore but i see colours and '8player' signs and thing go good from then on usually.
an you can fault me for flying anyone of them if i fly it in a ceretain manner.
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Naw, if I can fault you for something it just means you out flew me, and that would really be my fault. I suffered my first shoot-down today since I returned to AH a couple of days ago. I was very angry with myself that I let that 190 ack-drag me.
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This debate about the F4Us vs the P-51s and speed and acceleration needs some facts.
At combat speeds, IE: 150 to 350 mph at sea level, the F4U-1A accelerates faster than the P-51D.
Time to accelerate from 150 mph to 350 mph in minutes/seconds/tenths of seconds.
F4U-1A: 1:37.17
P-51D: 1:38.31
F4U-4: 1:14.26
Max Speed at Sea level:
F4U-1A: 366 mph
P-51D 367 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Max Speed at 10K:
F4U-1A: 392 mph
P-51D: 406 mph
F4U-4: 398 mph
Max Speed at 15k:
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P-51D: 405 mph
F4U-4: 423 mph
Max Speed at 20k:
F4U-1A: 419 mph
P-51D: 423 mph
F4U-4: 440 mph
Max Speed at 25k:
F4U-1A: 405 mph
P-51D: 441 mph
F4U-4: 446 mph
Max Speed at 26k
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P51D: 434 mph
F4U-4: 453 mph
When facing any F4U, the P-51 pilot must guard his E like it was money. If he finds himself Co-E and Co-alt with any Corsair below 20k, he is in deep bandini. Taking on an F4U-4 1v1 would be a mistake at any altitude.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Max Speed at 25k:
P-51D: 441 mph
Max Speed at 26k
P51D: 434 mph
That doesn't seem right...you sure?
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Originally posted by Widewing
This debate about the F4Us vs the P-51s and speed and acceleration needs some facts.
At combat speeds, IE: 150 to 350 mph at sea level, the F4U-1A accelerates faster than the P-51D.
Time to accelerate from 150 mph to 350 mph in minutes/seconds/tenths of seconds.
F4U-1A: 1:37.17
P-51D: 1:38.31
F4U-4: 1:14.26
Max Speed at Sea level:
F4U-1A: 366 mph
P-51D 367 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Max Speed at 10K:
F4U-1A: 392 mph
P-51D: 406 mph
F4U-4: 398 mph
Max Speed at 15k:
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P-51D: 405 mph
F4U-4: 423 mph
Max Speed at 20k:
F4U-1A: 419 mph
P-51D: 423 mph
F4U-4: 440 mph
Max Speed at 25k:
F4U-1A: 405 mph
P-51D: 441 mph
F4U-4: 446 mph
Max Speed at 26k
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P51D: 434 mph
F4U-4: 453 mph
When facing any F4U, the P-51 pilot must guard his E like it was money. If he finds himself Co-E and Co-alt with any Corsair below 20k, he is in deep bandini. Taking on an F4U-4 1v1 would be a mistake at any altitude.
My regards,
Widewing
I didn't know what part of this to quote, so I'm quoting it all.
I think I may be using outdated software or something (sorry spatula). I have the same kind of data, just different numbers, all at WEP:
Max Speed at Sea level:
F4U-1A: 364 mph
P-51D 368 mph
F4U-4: 378 mph
Max Speed at 10K:
F4U-1A: 391 mph
P-51D: 408 mph
F4U-4: 399 mph
Max Speed at 15k:
F4U-1A: 410 mph
P-51D: 411 mph
F4U-4: 418 mph
Max Speed at 20k:
F4U-1A: 417 mph
P-51D: 423 mph
F4U-4: 434 mph
Max Speed at 25k:
F4U-1A: 403 mph
P-51D: 439 mph
F4U-4: 439 mph
Max Speed at 26k
F4U-1A: 401 mph
P51D: 437 mph
F4U-4: between 438 and 439 mph
From what I've seen of you, you usually compile all of these numbers yourself, which would give you firsthand knowledge and the final say.
But I would like to point out that my quote of:
Originally posted by TexInVa
At WEP, the F4U-4 has the clear advantage until, again, 3Kft, then the Pony takes over up to about 17.5Kft (Dyxlexia, should have been 13.5Kft. My error). Then it's the Hog again all the way up to 22Kft. After that, it's a crap-shoot. The F4U-1A looses alot until 15K to 16Kft. The only hope, speed-wise, for the F4U-1A is to catch a pony at sealevel or between 15K-16K. Otherwise, it's severly outclassed on speed.
is essentially correct, even to your numbers, other than the 17.5 really being 13.5 (and an error on my part in chart reading).
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Originally posted by Edbert
That doesn't seem right...you sure?
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Oops, I made a typo....Should be 439 mph at 26,000 feet.
26,000 feet is above the P-51D's critical altitude. Horsepower is now falling off. On the other hand, the F4U-4's critical altitude is 26,200 feet.
My regards,
Widewing
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Wow, did the acceleration of all the non -4 hogs change recently? They used to be far slower to accelerate than a pony, particularly the -1.
(Might be time to take the off-topic thread elsewhere though)
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I'm the best la7 pilot there is. Suckers:p
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doubtfull as yet squealer, overlag is ;)
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Overlag is the winner!
you are a dweeb, well done.
pick new plane for febuary, you are the judge of films credibility!
:)
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it is essentially an la7 with much better guns,
Hogwash. If the pony had acceleration close to the la7, this might be a reasonable statement.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
ramblerabbleblarla7uberrabbleblahcantflyponybabble.
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That's nice.. I guess that's what people type when they can't form an intelligible response.
I don't think, and didn't say, that La7's are uber.
I do not feel the 51 is essentially the same plane as the la7 except for the guns, as you have posted.
I disagreed with you, as many vets would.
BTW, I fly the pony just fine thanks... I do pretty good in it, have a lot of fun flying it, and have been doing it longer than you have.
Have a nice day, try to think pleasant thoughts.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Overlag is the winner!
you are a dweeb, well done.
pick new plane for febuary, you are the judge of films credibility!
:)
hitech banned me again.... funny really because on the same day he made a change to the cap system, which is the reason why i got banned both times... so he admits issue by changing it, but still banned me.....
anyway, i choose 190a5
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Damn... wish i had been here for this. Love the La7.
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Originally posted by Anyone
hitech banned me again.... funny really because on the same day he made a change to the cap system, which is the reason why i got banned both times... so he admits issue by changing it, but still banned me.....
anyway, i choose 190a5
So the plane for this month is the FW 190 A5?
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Originally posted by Xasthur
So the plane for this month is the FW 190 A5?
yes, however i wont be able to judge the videos because i doubt i will last long on the forum