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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: B@tfinkV on January 08, 2007, 11:04:07 AM
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LMFAO click me (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/1000yrdsP47vs190.ahf)
1000yrds killshot, and makin a well known big mouth mad in the same few seconds......lol....my dream day come true
but seriously, dont listen to people who tell you shooting beyond 300 yrds is pointless.
it really isnt.
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Nice kill Bat. What convergence were you using on your 50's? Looked like 500+ to me.
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shooting beyond 300 yrds is pointless.
oh,erm whoops!
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Works with .50 cal.s. Did it on one of those nights when I was actually hitting things. One of those "wow, I hit somtning" nights. Haven't been able to do it with other guns though.
I love thos shots.
wrngway
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convergence was at 375yrds for all guns.
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spray and pray
Very lucky, i like to make my kills d100<....
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that was a calculated shot, that paid off.
it aint much to do with luck, its simple gunnery and lead.
spray and pray?? that was a 2 second burst with perfect convergence estimation.
had 4 guns all hitting perfectly on target, how is that spray and pray?
infact i just wwent and checked film viewer in the slowest possible playing speed.
counted no less than 27 hitsprites all around the cockpit, wingroots and tail section. that is no spray and pray.
you dont get 8X50cal on your chick16, and it aint hard to get D100 in that ride either. :p
you must remember that some of us who dont fly the spixteen have to actually hit our targets with some force, not just a quick 2 ping super 20mm snapshot kill for most planes.
BUT that isnt the point.
point was i got an unlikely kill, and made him mad.
was great.
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was that in the ava three years ago? you have made those shots plenty before. I recall you making one equally rediculous shot on myself. the film only serves to prove how incredibly out of phase with reality the trajectory and damage model for the American .50s and also the hispano 20mm are. those shots are way out of the realm of probability. I'm certain you can't see any object one kilometer away. and if you could hitting one moving object from another moving platform would discount the remotest probability of a kill. having ranted the above, fine shot you gamey bastige.
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I'm seeing a minimum of 4 people in the film at all times. Can't be the AVA!
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nice one bat!
Ive made d800+ kills with 20mm manytimes with converg at 300
but 1k thats nuts ROFL
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Batty...
I could come in here and ***** about the physics of the game but instead I am gonna say...
NICE F*&KING SHOT
Sorry storch, Not having a go at you but why detract from the fact that it was a....
NICE F*&KING SHOT
Batty
hope I dont find you on my six now that I have gone bish....
Edited to correct somthing...
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Amazing shooting :aok
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Odd, I didn’t notice any engine noise for your aircraft. I’m assuming you were a glider the entire time. Surely your not one of those gamers that turns it off.
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Originally posted by G0ALY
Odd, I didn’t notice any engine noise for your aircraft. I’m assuming you were a glider the entire time. Surely your not one of those gamers that turns it off.
Is this the first time you've watched a film?
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looks to me a lot more like spraying and praying... but hey it did die.
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Originally posted by Vudak
Is this the first time you've watched a film?
Actually, yes it is one of the first films I’ve watched. I had to make a quick film and check it. Odd that you do not hear your own engine.
So, the truth is… We’ll never know if it’s turned off. LOL!
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Come on Bat you know that d1000 are like little gifts from heaven. If it happens twice in one night then god is your co pilot.
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maybe FX, but i would usually associate 'spray and pray' with the nose bouncing all over and continuous fire for minutes at a time.
perhaps one could argue that that shot was 'shooting without much chance' but i honestly considered it likely that i would get hits, if not do damage.
maybe its all down to a possitive/optimistic mentality?
notice in the text buffer a few seconds earlier 'youre gonna die 190D'
how many people would have just given up and let the 190 run away?
'spray and pray' VS 'calculated long range gunnery that got lucky' ?
i knew someone in the military, he told me that if you can see the target then you can hit it with a 50cal weapon.
thanks for the nice comments guys, it really was a 'jump out of my seat and ROFL' moment that was sweetened with a little whine.
thought worth sharing
S!
bat
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Tru Tru
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
you must remember that some of us who dont fly the spixteen have to actually hit our targets with some force, not just a quick 2 ping super 20mm snapshot kill for most planes.
Hey, don't discount those .50's. I was sawing wings off bombers the other night in a FM2 with only 4 .50's almost as efficiently as the 2 20's/2 .50's on my Spit 16 usually do. 8 .50's is probably as deadly if not deadlier than a Spit 16.
BTW, I also got a D1000 kill shot in that FM2 the same night.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
but seriously, dont listen to people who tell you shooting beyond 300 yrds is pointless.
it really isnt.
Beg to differ, but it is in a Hurri MK1 or Spit 1! Over 300 out and you'll be lucky to scratch the paintwork!
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
BTW, I also got a D1000 kill shot in that FM2 the same night.
WTG. half the guns, takes twice the skill/luck!
only two planes ive had lucky kills at extreme range are flying the P38 and the P47.
and mac.....yes hurri 1 it is pointless to shoot beyond D50(fifty) :)
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Just last night when I was in a Ki84 I ran out of 20mm on bombers, and only had 220 50cal left, and had this LA7 that was running from me. He got further and further away but I knew I could hit him so I took aim and as he was opening up past 800 on the deck I managed to saw his wing off with some steady hit sprites at the starboard wing root.
Such shots are indeed sweet! Everybody on range heard me shouting gleefully that I pulled it off.
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"i knew someone in the military, he told me that if you can see the target then you can hit it with a 50cal weapon."
I've just had a look outside, and I can see the moon. What kind of lead would I have to pull in order to hit it?
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Originally posted by storch
I'm certain you can't see any object one kilometer away.
I have to wonder if you can see a fighter from 1K away...
But as an educated guess...
Whats the minimum height for a cessna type plane over a civilian area...
I ask this cause every now and then we get this plane flyng aerobatics over our house (man you can hear him giving the poor thing some stick).
Its been quite a while since I heard him (or her) but I would think that he has to be higher than 3333 feet which is one KM and I can see him....
But this is with the blue sky as a background, then again I dont have anywhere near perfec vision (find it hard to read a street sign when I pass it in a car or on my Motorbike)
Someone here who is in the airforce should take a photo or video from their cockpit of another fighter that is a click away then we whould have an answer.....
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10 mph cross wind would make a 1000 yard shot very dificult. Ever looked at a target from 1000 yards i have and without optics a car looks like a pin head. Your front sight would cover 10 feet at that yardage. Even with a full auto gun you would really need to walk it in and that on a standing target thats not moving.
Those guys in ww2 had a hand full shooting at fast movers.
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Originally posted by Apeking
"i knew someone in the military, he told me that if you can see the target then you can hit it with a 50cal weapon."
I've just had a look outside, and I can see the moon. What kind of lead would I have to pull in order to hit it?
:lol very clever.
what you might want to think about is this guy said 'see the target'
how many military operations do you suppose the target of choice is the moon? ;) almost all targets that they would shoot a 50cal at would be on the ground and in most instances you wont be able to see your target from more than more than a mile or so, i would have thought.
mussie: i am very lucky to have clear 20/20 vision, on a clear day standing on top of the hill near my house i can clearly see the tiny bright white speck of a seagull in flight 1-1.5 miles away over the town.
think about an airliner, while i realise it is bigger than most aircraft we use, they fly at something like 33,000ft dont they?
can see them clear as day even down to the individual windows lit up during night time.
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Originally posted by FX1
10 mph cross wind would make a 1000 yard shot very dificult. Ever looked at a target from 1000 yards i have and without optics a car looks like a pin head. Your front sight would cover 10 feet at that yardage. Even with a full auto gun you would really need to walk it in and that on a standing target thats not moving.
Those guys in ww2 had a hand full shooting at fast movers.
my point exactly, I've looked at a target (goat) 1000 yds away with a scope and then with iron sights. it's not a shot I felt comfortable taking through the scope, forget about the iron sights. the longest I'll dare shoot at is 300yds with a good scope. beyond that I can't say I'll get a clean kill. that is from a steady rest with a great rifle, controlled breathing at a stationary target.
in BF's defense he's whacked me 800-1000 more times than I would really care to admit so there is a level of skill involved. it also helps that the BS modelling on all things allied in this game works in his favor.
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Keep in mind 1000 yards isn't a mile. A mile is 5,280 feet, 1000 yards is only about 3000 (about 3 feet to a yard). So seeing something 1000 yards out is still only 3/5ths of a mile (a little more than half a mile). Closer than you think.
I have 20/20 eyes as well (only person in my family, actually, I lucked out!). I also live under the traffic pattern of a smaller airport. I get lears and twins over my backyard every day. Some of these guys are at least 5k or more (as the airport is a long way off, they're still on approach), but I can not only make out gear doors, passenger window, but oil streaks on engines and individual colors (blue stripes from the nose to the tail, and what-not).
I don't think SEEING at that range is hard. Hell a lot of WW2 ace pilots had better than 20/20 vision. I think SEEING it would be the easy part, even at greater ranges. But like FX said, we don't have wind in AH. We don't have a lot of things that would hamper long-range sniping. Effective range ("pull the trigger and it dies") was much closer in reality. So, no, you couldn't pull this off if it were totally realistic, but you'd be able to SEE better than what you see here. Here you just see black lines of pixels.
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I got a D800 kill last night during the same fight - speculative shot to try and scare an LA7 off a squady's tail. I only fired the lightest of bursts - maybe 10 rounds - next thing I know the LA is missing one wing and I get a salute from said squady.
Admittedly this was using a spit 9 with the 20mm rays of doom.
Out of interest, The RAF's Area Frighting Tactics used at during the Battle of France and early in the Battle of Britain (before they realised they were c@rp) dictated that the convergence on Hurri and Spit 1's be set to 800 yards. This was the recommended distance for engaging enemy bombers.
The pilots soon found out that all you were likely to do from 800 yards was let the other guy know you were there.
Nice shot by the way B@tfink - if you'd pulled it off a few seconds earlier I wouldn't have been swimming :-)
And Dallas' reaction was class!
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Originally posted by storch
it also helps that the BS modelling on all things allied in this game works in his favor.
And that of the Me-109 works in yours. It's only a hot turn fighter in simulators!
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Originally posted by storch
I'm certain you can't see any object one kilometer away.
You're saying pilots can't see another aircraft at ~1000 yards?
Just how certain are you? Willing to bet the ranch on it?
1 kilometer = 1 093.6133 yards
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
1000yrds killshot, and makin a well known big mouth mad in the same few seconds......lol....my dream day come true
I call BULLPUCKY!!! The shot was 985 yards. :D
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983 to be presise :p
sorry i couldnt be quicker wooley!
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Originally posted by storch
it also helps that the BS modelling on all things allied in this game works in his favor.
haven't heard that whine for a long time.
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WTG Bat,
That mouthy lil pm'ing goober needs killing every chance you get.
It's funny how every time someone kills him he pm's a "lucky shot" or "fly a real plane newby" message.
He's a miserable low esteemed little wretch.:aok :rofl
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Originally posted by storch
it also helps that the BS modelling on all things allied in this game works in his favor.
ahhh ... yessss ... the LW conspiracy theory rears it ugly head after being buried for many months ... the galaxy is now whole again and will not implode.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
counted no less than 27 hitsprites all around the cockpit, wingroots and tail section. that is no spray and pray.
I'm a 50 cal guy, seeing that I almost exclusively fly the FM2, but I find it incredible that you could land that many hits at that distance with a guns convergence set at 375 yards.
Not debating that it didn't happen or couldn't happen with 50 cals, cause they WILL reach out and "touch ya" ... I just find it strange under those conditions.
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:eek: :O
Very nice Bat :aok
Let this be a lesson to the Pickers that run:aok
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Originally posted by john9001
haven't heard that whine for a long time.
those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
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killed a 262 from 1.2 with a 20mm shell..... and a german 20mm too...... i pissed my pants cos i was aiming like 2k above the target LOL.....
it is possible... you just gotta know when to "waste" ya ammo on long shots... gettin them to turn or gettin the lucky 20mm shot in a 9000rpm turbine blowing the wing off.......lol
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I wouldn't have believed it except I just did the same last night with an FM-2. A Dora was running and I thought a few rounds over the canopy would spook him off the tail of the teamate I was trying to help.
I saw a few hit sprites & then I noticed him doing the no horizontal tail death loop. I got the kill, too. Maybe he was a little hurt already? I didn't hit him hard.
As for the range of a 50 cal - I read a book about Carlos Hathcock in Vietnam who used a 50 cal MG with scope & fired one round at a time. He got a kill at 2500 yards. The VC officer happened to cross the point Carlos had sighted in on earlier. Bad luck. Don't know if this story is true or not, but I do know the 50 cal is dangerous at least up to and farther than 1000 yds.
Regarding what you can see & how far - Many novice pilots emptied their guns at long range in their first encounter with the NME. I read about a Wildcat pilot that emptied his guns on a Val, realizing he was over 1500 yards away and how furious he was that he had to watch it fly off. He'd gotten so excited he didn't pay attention to the range. He never made the same mistake twice.
And finally, why is a guy in a 190 that runs away when he loses the advantage a Dweeb? Why should he turnfight especially when outnumbered? Besides, every time I see a 47N I run like heck cuz I figure it's Yucca ;)
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1,000 yard .50 cal. shot is well within the realm of believability I have made this argument before in my first few weeks of AH. I sprayed the heck out of a cockpit once, several rounds right in the top of the pilots head as he pulled up easy & did nothing & that was only slightly off my convergence which was something like 475 iirc. A couple hundred rounds in the head & nothing.
But it is a game.
As I brought out then, the MIG pilots took more than one dirt nap from .50's at much greater ranges than they typically got kills in WWII & a whole butt load of people tried to say it was better sights. If anything had a major bearing on the trajectory it was, the higher you are, the thinner the air, the farther the bullets will travel....is that modeled in here anywhere? Does anyone know if altitude & thin air increases range of rounds fired in AHII?
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I turned a P-51D into confetti at about 1000 yards with the Mossie's cannons once. He was diving away from me and going nice and straight, so I just put the pip on him and held the trigger down as I pulled up slowly.
I used the same trick to nail a fleeing Fw190D-9 with the 30mm spud gun in the Bf109G-6 (this was prior to the Bf109s being redone) at about 700 yards, same result, dead runner.
In reality Beurling shot down a Bf109F at 800 yards using the Hispano cannons in his Spitfire Mk V, and he said it was a deliberate, aimed shot.
Don't say it "couldn't be done in reality" when it could be.
Also Storch, maybe you can't see anything at a distance of one kilometer, but the vast majority of humans can. If we couldn't see things at that range, and much, much further, WWI and WWII air combat would have been essentially impossible.
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ok mark off 1000 yds and try to hit something 4'x8' with a 30.06. this is doable by most people. now try the same thing while jumping on a trampoline. :D take the same scenario except reduce the target to 36" in diameter, very few untrained shooters will hit the target. now jump back on the trampoline. clueless cartoon warriors are hoot.
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lets get it into perspective a second storch.
first off, we are not sniping with a single bullet from a rifle. We are hurling huge ammounts of lead from multiple rapid fire machine guns.
secondly, yes you are correct, "very few untrained shooters will hit the target"
thats just it, we arnt 'untrained', we are more experienced in this virtual combat than any of our real life counter parts could have ever hoped to be.
third, and most impostantly, this is a game with set limitations. no matter if the limitations are totaly realistic or not, they are the laws of virtual physics that we all play by, and we all have an equal chance to get the very most out of them.
Originally posted by SlapShot
I'm a 50 cal guy, seeing that I almost exclusively fly the FM2, but I find it incredible that you could land that many hits at that distance with a guns convergence set at 375 yards.
Not debating that it didn't happen or couldn't happen with 50 cals, cause they WILL reach out and "touch ya" ... I just find it strange under those conditions.
it is unlikely slapshot, i wouldnt care to deny that.
i have taken the liberty of drawing up a quick sketch to explain my theory behind effective use of wing mounted 50cals over great range.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/longrange.JPG)
so as we can see from my rudementary artwork, if one is using a P47 with 4 guns per wing it is still more than possible to hit a plane at 1000yrds with the force of 4 guns.
the trick is to aim to the side so that the rapidly seperating streams of bullets are still half 'on target'.
blue line shows where one should aim the cross hair for such a shot, and the yellow lines show the two streams of rounds seperating more the longer the range, untill at about 1100yrds, where i think HTC has set the limit for computing 50cal rounds trajectory and damage.
Here is the corresponding image of that diagram taken from the AH film viewer, clearly showing the same blue and yellow lines with the target circled in red.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/longrange1.JPG)
i think these two images show the exact same thing from the game angle and the diagramatic angle.
hit sprites:
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/longrange3.JPG)
MOST fascinating about these images for me is the last one in that set of hit sprites.
on the left wing we can clearly see an actual tracer round penetrating the skin of the aircraft and leaving a hitsprite. now thats a quality gunnery model, thanks HT.
i also would like to point out that this only shows about half of the recorded sprites, it is close to impossible to capture a single frame that shows every last hit sprite.
i think the fact that the 190 was leaking fuel may have contributed to starting a fire, quite obviously. i wonder if HT has modeled fuel leaks to be more flamable.
anyhow, thats basically my take on how to use 8X50cals effectively at long ranges when you have your convergence set in close.
salute all
bat
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Originally posted by G0ALY
Actually, yes it is one of the first films I’ve watched. I had to make a quick film and check it. Odd that you do not hear your own engine.
So, the truth is… We’ll never know if it’s turned off. LOL!
Watch the gauges.... rpm and MP will tell you his exact engine settings....
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Batfink you said chick16:rofl
:aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
on the left wing we can clearly see an actual tracer round penetrating the skin of the aircraft and leaving a hitsprite. now thats a quality gunnery model, thanks HT.
OT: I think that's just an graphics bug and totally unintentional :)
T: Batfink, you should know that those kind of gunnery images should be highly classified and not for the public eye. Soon those 1000yd shots can be seen every day and that ain't fun.
Good shooting btw :)
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Originally posted by Have
OT: I think that's just an graphics bug and totally unintentional :)
you could be right! im no programming genius, infact i dont have the first clue.
looks good though, eh? :)
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Originally posted by storch
ok mark off 1000 yds and try to hit something 4'x8' with a 30.06. this is doable by most people. now try the same thing while jumping on a trampoline. :D take the same scenario except reduce the target to 36" in diameter, very few untrained shooters will hit the target. now jump back on the trampoline. clueless cartoon warriors are hoot.
Why are we using targets that are 4'x8' or 36" ? ... and a trampoline no less ?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
lets get it into perspective a second storch.
first off, we are not sniping with a single bullet from a rifle. We are hurling huge ammounts of lead from multiple rapid fire machine guns.
secondly, yes you are correct, "very few untrained shooters will hit the target"
thats just it, we arnt 'untrained', we are more experienced in this virtual combat than any of our real life counter parts could have ever hoped to be.
third, and most impostantly, this is a game with set limitations. no matter if the limitations are totaly realistic or not, they are the laws of virtual physics that we all play by, and we all have an equal chance to get the very most out of them.
it is unlikely slapshot, i wouldnt care to deny that.
i have taken the liberty of drawing up a quick sketch to explain my theory behind effective use of wing mounted 50cals over great range.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/longrange.JPG)
so as we can see from my rudementary artwork, if one is using a P47 with 4 guns per wing it is still more than possible to hit a plane at 1000yrds with the force of 4 guns.
the trick is to aim to the side so that the rapidly seperating streams of bullets are still half 'on target'.
blue line shows where one should aim the cross hair for such a shot, and the yellow lines show the two streams of rounds seperating more the longer the range, untill at about 1100yrds, where i think HTC has set the limit for computing 50cal rounds trajectory and damage.
Here is the corresponding image of that diagram taken from the AH film viewer, clearly showing the same blue and yellow lines with the target circled in red.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/longrange1.JPG)
i think these two images show the exact same thing from the game angle and the diagramatic angle.
hit sprites:
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/longrange3.JPG)
MOST fascinating about these images for me is the last one in that set of hit sprites.
on the left wing we can clearly see an actual tracer round penetrating the skin of the aircraft and leaving a hitsprite. now thats a quality gunnery model, thanks HT.
i also would like to point out that this only shows about half of the recorded sprites, it is close to impossible to capture a single frame that shows every last hit sprite.
i think the fact that the 190 was leaking fuel may have contributed to starting a fire, quite obviously. i wonder if HT has modeled fuel leaks to be more flamable.
anyhow, thats basically my take on how to use 8X50cals effectively at long ranges when you have your convergence set in close.
salute all
bat
This is exactly how I get many of my 800 to 1000 yrd kills. I fly the hog and that's 3 50cals pouring lead into an enemy's six! U just have to adjust and stabelize your platform, aim one set of guns and kablooeey, down goes teh RUNNAH!:aok
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Why are we using targets that are 4'x8' or 36" ? ... and a trampoline no less ?
a 4 x 8 target, say a sheet of plywood 1000 out makes it easier to see your hits with a 30x sighting scope. a 36" diameter target at a 1000 is much harder to hit than a 4x8. jump up and down on a trampoline to mimick the relative movements of your plane and the target plane. I think it might help a bit, taking in account minor annoyances such as wind, propwash, thermals, you know all that variable/random stuff which is difficult to model in a game at this time.
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Originally posted by storch
a 4 x 8 target, say a sheet of plywood 1000 out makes it easier to see your hits with a 30x sighting scope. a 36" diameter target at a 1000 is much harder to hit than a 4x8. jump up and down on a trampoline to mimick the relative movements of your plane and the target plane. I think it might help a bit, taking in account minor annoyances such as wind, propwash, thermals, you know all that variable/random stuff which is difficult to model in a game at this time.
Ok ... so for the most part, most aircraft are larger that 4x8 and 36' wingtip to wingtip (;)) and we don't have any of those other "distractions" so making that type of shot in AH is not out of the realm of possibilities and very doable for a 50 cal.
I have a hard time hitting the dead six of a plane thats 250 in front of me ... :D ... but at 800 out and showing full profile ... I will lay out a lead chain link fence and pepper the crap out of you and if I get the cockpit, they go poof.
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Originally posted by storch
my point exactly, I've looked at a target (goat) 1000 yds away with a scope and then with iron sights. it's not a shot I felt comfortable taking through the scope, forget about the iron sights. the longest I'll dare shoot at is 300yds with a good scope. beyond that I can't say I'll get a clean kill. that is from a steady rest with a great rifle, controlled breathing at a stationary target.
in BF's defense he's whacked me 800-1000 more times than I would really care to admit so there is a level of skill involved. it also helps that the BS modelling on all things allied in this game works in his favor.
I'm curious about that. I can hit a coke can about 8 out of 10 open site at 100 yds (standing/kneeling) no brace with my 10/22. I can hit the 1 foot circular target on formal range at 300 about 1/2 the time. Now drop and windage on .22 pretty bad. I'm a bit better with an M-14. Maximum open sight shooting for most is 400 yds. If I remember correctly max range at the nationals is 600 yds open site.
As for the .50 cal. It is IRL a very "flat" round. The M-2 was used in SEA as a sniper weapon with little modification beyond a scope and "tuned" butterfly trigger. 1000yd+ shots not uncommon at all...
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go out measure 1000 yards and try to shoot a deer sized target. for me it was humbling experience. I can hit a coke can at 100yds almost every time as well. I can also kill rats at 100yds with ease. I killed a swimming duck 100yds away with a single shot pellet gun on a dare. I'm a fair shot but 1000 yds takes training to hit at, hell 500 yards is a long way too. as I stated previously I won't shoot at game beyond 300yds, I feel it's beyond my ability to insure a good humane kill at those extreme distances.
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Quick question. Is the range ticker yards or feet?
I have always thought it was in feet.
Can anyone confirm what it actually is?
Bronk
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Originally posted by storch
go out measure 1000 yards and try to shoot a deer sized target. for me it was humbling experience. I can hit a coke can at 100yds almost every time as well. I can also kill rats at 100yds with ease. I killed a swimming duck 100yds away with a single shot pellet gun on a dare. I'm a fair shot but 1000 yds takes training to hit at, hell 500 yards is a long way too. as I stated previously I won't shoot at game beyond 300yds, I feel it's beyond my ability to insure a good humane kill at those extreme distances.
I dont disagree at all, as I said 400 yds is about the accepted maximum for open site accuracy to a man sized target. Accuracy beyond that with sub MOA ballistics is certainly possible. My comment is more toward the reality that a .50 round is very flat IRL and hitting a target at 1000yds (in AH) isnt that far fetched. It's all timing and judgement....and some luck.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Quick question. Is the range ticker yards or feet?
I have always thought it was in feet.
Can anyone confirm what it actually is?
Bronk
yards ;)
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TY Poof.
Not sure why I thought it was in feet.
Must be the fluoride in the water.
:noid :noid :noid
Bronk
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You've got WAY too much time on your hands mate! :D
But no, firing beyond 300 isn't a waste of time or ammo if you use US 50 cal.
Do the same with a german weapon and you're screwed. As are you with most other weapons, part from Hizookas.
Was a very nice shot though, congruats!
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Originally posted by mussie
I have to wonder if you can see a fighter from 1K away...
If you've ever flown for real, or even listened to ATC, they routinely point out traffic that is 3, 4 or even 5 miles away... I know I've been a C172 and had another C172 pointed out by ATC at 3 miles (6076 yrds) and a bit higher and he was easier than hell to see, even his direction and attitude (and my vision sucks), and a 172 is smaller than a ww2 fighter.
I aint sayin you would be able to shoot em, just that they would be most definately visible, in fact, scary close at 1000 yds..
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Originally posted by storch
I'm a fair shot but 1000 yds takes training to hit at, hell 500 yards is a long way too.
Check last month's "American Rifleman." Some of those .50 people can keep groups under 7 inches at 1000 yards. I find that almost unbelievable.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Check last month's "American Rifleman." Some of those .50 people can keep groups under 7 inches at 1000 yards. I find that almost unbelievable.
- oldman
yup but those are trained shooters utilizing a barrett or a mcmillan sniper rifle built to very close tolerances shooting match grade ammunition. the M2 has been used in single shot semi auto mode for sniping since korea but again mounted on a tripod and equipped with a unertl scope. not the same as a sloppily mounted and marginally bore sighted bank of aviation M2s. I think tony williams had an interesting write up on this very topic.
anyways again not to detract from bat's excellent shot and kill, it's gamey but after all it is a game.
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I shoot planes down at 1000yds all the time with 50 cals
Must say an M16 is good at that
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ah but the m16 is a US weapon, so obviously it must be hugely overclocked and have laser trajectories... :noid
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German cannon in the game aren't that bad!
I get kills at d600 in the Dora ALL the time. D800 is a bit more rare, but if they aren't dodging I'll try it anyway. I hate landing with lotsa cannon rounds remaining ;)
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Originally posted by storch
go out measure 1000 yards and try to shoot a deer sized target. for me it was humbling experience. I can hit a coke can at 100yds almost every time as well. I can also kill rats at 100yds with ease. I killed a swimming duck 100yds away with a single shot pellet gun on a dare. I'm a fair shot but 1000 yds takes training to hit at, hell 500 yards is a long way too. as I stated previously I won't shoot at game beyond 300yds, I feel it's beyond my ability to insure a good humane kill at those extreme distances.
You act like you know guns then defeat your own logic .. it's kind of funny....
It's a pixelated simulation and is pretty accurate for the avaliable technology that the consumer market can afford. My dad taught my sister and me to shoot at 100+ yards with guns smaller than even AH's 303 rounds, let alone 50's. Ya it is pixels and a compromise .. but I bet I could hit a 'bus' at 800 yards on a calm day IRL......with a single shot let alone 8x50's. And if you think shooting in a plane is like jumping with a rifle .... you might want to try flying 'smooth'... and stop jerking your flightstick around. Ya .. AH doesn't model 'tubulance'.... but many days, at a given place, there is none IRL.
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I regularly practice at 500 yards on human profile targets with my M-14 & I can keep a nice grouping in the head or chest save the stray "flyer" here or there. But Purpose built sniper rifles are not exactly what is being discussed here, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Both fruit, both sweet, both grow on trees but there are few other similarities.
1000 yard .50 cal wing mount A/C to A/C shots are not impossible, not very common irl WWII combat I'm sure we can all agree, but possible. Nose mounts would be even easier but probably not much more common because of the nature of the combat. If you die here, it's no big deal, if you died in real life combat it turns out, that was a very big deal. It's not as likely that anyone would have chased a target for as long or as far as we do in AHII in enemy territory etc. without frantic radio calls for "Get this freakin' guy off my oscar people!" being answered in force; where here in AHII we ignore the pleas of our comrades because it's all in fun & they can just pick out a new ride & up again. :aok
Edit: Nice post Bat, I like the explanation with pictures, it holds my attention better than text alone lol