Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Krusty on January 09, 2007, 04:00:33 PM
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I'm surprised nobody else has done this one. We had 2-3 of them before the 109s were revamped. Anyways, if I've made any errors or snafus please let me know and I'll fix it asap. I think I've got this one done properly, though.
This is his first 109f-4, Werk Nr. 8693.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1168379707_109f4_marseille1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1168379715_109f4_marseille2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1168379724_109f4_marseille3.jpg)
I'll wait for any feedback before submitting it, just to be safe. I'm surprised nobody else wanted to do this one, so I went ahead and did it.
EDIT: The shadow on the elevators is a trick of the light
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I personally think it looks awesome, I just don't know how to look past the skin towards the details.
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on the cowl MG's rusty would there rarely be any evidence of powder discharge, or would they clean it off regularly to prevent corrosion?
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I've put stains inside the gun troughs, but you don't see much staining on actual 109 photos. I think they cleaned it off because it would blow back into the wind screen. It wouldn't be a thick mucky layer, but they'd want their pilots to see as well as possible.
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:confused:
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Looks awfully pristine for a desert environment, not alot of chipping in evidence.. ;)
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The color looks so rich... i would almost prefer a more faded/washed out look from the desert sun.
But WTF do i know? It's beautiful Krusty. :aok
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whats that red speck in the iron cross on the starboard side?
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Originally posted by nickf620
whats that red speck in the iron cross on the starboard side?
I believe its a marker for an access panel where personnel used to be able to access and service the radio on the plane...
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It's a red cross, because there's a first aid kit in there.
It's got some basic fading, splotching, and wear on the leading edges and such. I can boost those layers and post some more screenshots if you like?
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ohh now i see the cross shape
god forbid the guy cut his finger in the plane and has to hop out get some sort of stick and grab it from back there
that is why when i fly my 109 i keep a couple of my flinstones band-aids in my pocket :D
lol
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That's a really nice looking skin Krusty. Not sure about amount of weathering, how long would this aircraft have been in the desert as its represented here?
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Sorry, been too busy to reply or tweak the skin. I'll play with it this weekend.
Well, Greebo: Long enough to have got 50 kills on it :P
I now agree it needs more wear and tear. But I don't want to over-do it. They did maintain these planes fairly well (the elite fighter pilots got the best treatment, it almost seems like)
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Krusty, the only thing I can see is maybe the exhaust stain on the fuselage could be a little more faded and splotchy. That's a great looking skin:aok
Cheers,
asw
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There are two pictures of what purports to be his first F4 in "Bf109 Aces of North Africa and the Mediterranean" by Jerry Scutts (Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #2) pages 78 and 79. Its werk # is reported as 12 593. Also lots of good shots of JG27 109s for reference I recommend it to you Krusty.
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My library is very small right now. I'm perpetually broke (happens when you go to college for 10 years straight). I have plenty of OTHER books (text books on various topics) but on aircraft I only have about half a dozen.
I'll have to see if the library's got a copy of that.
As for the number: I couldn't find what it was, except on one webpage. I loathe to admit this but that webpage was wikipedia (hey, it came up in a google search!). I figured I couldn't leave it blank so I used the number wiki had. I half-guessed I'd have to correct it later.
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Okay sorry I'm late. As promised, I exaggerated the weathering just to show what it looks like more pronounced. Keep in mind the external view isn't always the best place to see it. I should have just taken screenshots of the wings from inside the cockpit (I didn't think of that til now).
Here's the exaggerated version (also, I didn't notice until later I had put FSAA back on)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1169006062_109f4_marseille4.jpg)
The previous version (side by side for comparison)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1168379707_109f4_marseille1.jpg)
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looks great.... cant wait to fly it :)
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Okay I've reworked some of the weathering and I think I'm happy with it now. I've also changed the Werk Nr. but that was after I took this screenshot.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1169069223_109f4_marseille5.jpg)
EDIT: D'OH! I left the opacity on the crosses at 100%. Whoops! Fixed, but not worth a new screenshot.
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Doesn't seem like there's any further comments, so if nobody has any, I'll go ahead and submit it (I'd like to get it into the upcoming skins pack)
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Is there a missing piece in the top rudder area.
Look at your last posted picture.
I have a question regarding the exhaust staining.
Warning: I have no idea about exhaust staining.
My question is, does it really look like that?
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first answer: my foot was resting on the rudder pedals when I took the screenshot.
second answer: the exhaust stains on 109s vary, but in general were fairly light. The 109s were the elite, and kept well-maintained and cleaned. The aces of the 109s were even more elite. I have a photo of Marseille on the side of this very plane and the exhaust stains are faint, light. It's just a sign that they cleaned the plain regularly, I guess.
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as krusty said, the Germans looked after there aircraft rather well.... and the top aces planes was cleaned and probably repainted more often too.... all for propaganda.
later in the war things got worse though.
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I somehow doubt that Rommel was importing paint for 109Fs in lieu ammo and POL for his panzers.
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Well they didn't really use that much paint. All they had to do was wash it down. Let me post an image for you.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1169747827_bf_109f_foto_15.jpg)
He really was the elite of the elite. Photo ops could take place at any given moment. Note the exhaust stain? It stops before it gets to his right foot (the higher foot). There's a little bit of oil on the whit nose ring (but some of that is stencil markings). Otherwise the bird almost looks pristine.
I knew I'd probably take hell for skinning it this way, though. I gave it a little more, with a longer exhaust stain, a lot more oil streaks, and faded/discolored paint.