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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: pistol on January 10, 2007, 09:46:17 AM
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I was just wandering how much support I could get on asking Hitech to name a map or special event after 68KO in memory of his dedication to the game. It's just a thought I had and your input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks and Salute to all<>:aok
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I can't see anything wrong with that as it will keep his name around and have new players asking what 68ko is...............:)
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Better idea.....name airfields after AH Players. Instead of A1....would be 68KO....naturally would be a base for the country that he most flew for.
Air Warrior did this. I know we've lost a few squadmates in TFC also. Would be a fitting tribute to those departed.
Of course maybe some criteria should be used to name a base after a player. And I don't know how feasible this would be to HTC.
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its a very difficult road of customer service for a company to ride along if you ask me, as sentimental and good the gesture might be. i think it would be a fitting tribute to the customers and also a heck of alot of admin work added and difficult scenarios especially which players would be remembered in such a way, and which should not.
why dont the 68th choose a field on one of KO's favorite maps, his favorite possition for the wars whatever, and then all shall know that when the 68th are defending or attacking that field, they are doing it with the unity of these sad times
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Theres talk of naming the Extream Racing League after him. And i believe there is also a map in the works with his name on it.
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w00t
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yeh our event organisers (of the AHXARL) are talking to the rest of the big cheeses about renaming this league to include 68KO, being the founding father of the racing league and all
seems fitting to me
see if they go for it, not likes its imposing on the casual user, as the racing league is an opt-in event :aok
we shall see
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Not to be blunt or anything, but many AH players have passed away, and many more will in the future. Obviously we can't honor every single one of them, can we?
Like Batfink said sharing the heartache and sorrow is all good and sentimental, but there's a line to be drawn between individual matters and public matters. 68KO will be missed by many people, but to honor an individual deceased gamer by effecting a part of the game doesn't seem to be appropriate.
Let 68KO's memories rest with his loves ones and friends. It is there where it belongs, not in the game.
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My $.02
68 KO was an integral personality in this community. I feel he needs to be remembered in a way that honors his contributions here. I like the map idea, I also like the Air racing league suggestion. I understand that people pass away here. But 68 KO was more then a paying memember. 68 KO was a driving force that brought something more then a squad to be reckoned with. He brought a certain carisma and relevance that needs to be recognized and honored in a way symbolic of his contributions.
68 KO
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guys, keep it real.
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When I was with the 13th TAS, we hired a very famous map maker/skinner/pilot to make a map in honor of one of our squaddies that passed due to cancer ... this man was also a very well known and respected individual in the "sim" community ... most vets would know him, most other wouldn't ... hench OZKansas.
We took it on as a squad rather than ask HTC to make an exception to the game as it existed, as it was our private tribute to OZ, maybe the 68th could do the same for KO.
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Maybe a special flight package still staying historic but using his setup for the 51 and naming the set after him.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
....but many AH players have passed away, and many more will in the future. Obviously we can't honor every single one of them, can we?
The ones who stand out...we CAN
The ones who changed the face of the game....we CAN!
Yeah...the ones who REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE we CAN!
ROX
**PigStompers**
347th Fighter Group
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Originally posted by SlapShot
When I was with the 13th TAS, we hired a very famous map maker/skinner/pilot to make a map in honor of one of our squaddies that passed due to cancer ... this man was also a very well known and respected individual in the "sim" community ... most vets would know him, most other wouldn't ... hench OZKansas.
We took it on as a squad rather than ask HTC to make an exception to the game as it existed, as it was our private tribute to OZ, maybe the 68th could do the same for KO.
this would be alot better of an ideal for KO alot of folks are going to disagree with what you are wanting. HTC is in need of new maps for the comunity is growing old of current maps. so if you are that gun ho about it might want to take slap up on his ideal. <>
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Back in the WBs 2.7x days we unfortunatly lost a young squad member. David "Karz" Jones was not only a squad mate but a personal friend who lived near me. Not too long after I was flying offline for practice and encountered Karz as one of the AI drones. I believe it was Natedog who decided to do this and I can't tell you how much this meant to me and his best friend in realife Cars.
I'm not sure if I ever got to thank Natedog, HiTech and the rest for this wonderful memorial...so Thank You folks, from the bottem of my heart.
The presedence has been set...no reason in the world not honor someone as well respected as 68KO in whatever fashion is deemed appropriate.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Not to be blunt or anything, but many AH players have passed away, and many more will in the future. Obviously we can't honor every single one of them, can we?
Like Batfink said sharing the heartache and sorrow is all good and sentimental, but there's a line to be drawn between individual matters and public matters. 68KO will be missed by many people, but to honor an individual deceased gamer by effecting a part of the game doesn't seem to be appropriate.
Let 68KO's memories rest with his loves ones and friends. It is there where it belongs, not in the game.
but not many members of the community contributed a new event league (even though it was only his idea, and then created and developed by the company), which has become a unique experience online, that you can only get here, and which is a great asset to the HTC package.
Originally posted by LTARkilz
quote:Originally posted by SlapShot
When I was with the 13th TAS, we hired a very famous map maker/skinner/pilot to make a map in honor of one of our squaddies that passed due to cancer ... this man was also a very well known and respected individual in the "sim" community ... most vets would know him, most other wouldn't ... hench OZKansas.
We took it on as a squad rather than ask HTC to make an exception to the game as it existed, as it was our private tribute to OZ, maybe the 68th could do the same for KO.
this would be alot better of an ideal for KO alot of folks are going to disagree with what you are wanting. HTC is in need of new maps for the comunity is growing old of current maps. so if you are that gun ho about it might want to take slap up on his ideal. <>
this is also being done, the new air racing map that is coming to completion has also been suggested to receive a name tributed to 68KO, which was also slightly mentioned at the start of the thread....
*EDIT* edited it for pointless abruptness
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Maybe a skin for a P51 that would mean something to those who remember him, but yet be a skin that was used for real? Dunno... just tossing out an idea.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Not to be blunt or anything, but many AH players have passed away, and many more will in the future. Obviously we can't honor every single one of them, can we?
Like Batfink said sharing the heartache and sorrow is all good and sentimental, but there's a line to be drawn between individual matters and public matters. 68KO will be missed by many people, but to honor an individual deceased gamer by effecting a part of the game doesn't seem to be appropriate.
Let 68KO's memories rest with his loves ones and friends. It is there where it belongs, not in the game.
Sorry Kweassa I disagree strongly with your premise. Honouring KO for the contributions he made to this community for this community while he was with us is a completely different kettle of fish than honouring him just because he was unfortunate enough to have died. KO earned his way in AH. Not many in the game or on these boards can make a claim to that, you and me included. He, and his memory, deserve to be honoured by the community he served.
asw
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Again, not to be blunt detch, but the extent of his presence reaches only so far as to those who knew him, and knew him well. Like Batfink mentioned, it's not exactly an easy thing to judge who gets the honors and who not. Just what kind of 'contibution' does it take for a man to be remembered along the 'official' lines of business?
Since this is a delicate matter I will say no more of this since I've already made my point.
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There are games like ww2online that will have a memorial in a town for members who have passed. I read that someplace.
Why not place a little 'Ester egg' on his favortie map overlooking the White Cliffs and the channel. Then those who are in favor are happy, and those who feel re-naming a map is too much really have nothing to complain about.
My opinion is that I would be in favor of it. In fact a single memorial with all names can be done then those who have lost squaddies won't feel left out or that their loss was not as important.
How about names on the O'club wall of the lost pilots? That would be pretty nice also. That O'Club outta be used for something.
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Originally posted by skernsk
My opinion is that I would be in favor of it. In fact a single memorial with all names can be done then those who have lost squaddies won't feel left out or that their loss was not as important.
How about names on the O'club wall of the lost pilots? That would be pretty nice also. That O'Club outta be used for something.
That is one of the best suggestions I have ever heard with regards to names on the O'club wall...
As for the idea regarding a map, I also was a member of the 13th TAS when OZkansas passed. The squad took it upon itself to pay another community member to build a map to honor him. This may be the best way to handle it as well.
Another idea if you truly want to honor 68KO, would be to give in his name to the fund established to help his children. That in and of itself should and will carry far more significance than this online world.
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I have to agree with a few others here, namely Kweassa and Slapshot.
just a quick 20 minutes of time time has found these:
Woody passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190778&highlight=passed+away)
Strafer passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185028&highlight=passed+away)
Scavenger passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=155512&highlight=passed+away)
MJOLLNIR passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129140&highlight=passed+away)
Foxbat passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116546&highlight=passed+away)
Crzyhrs passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107830&highlight=passed+away)
VX passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104246&highlight=passed+away)
Mojo passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72560&highlight=passed+away)
SKRBROFR passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63241&highlight=passed+away)
bobn passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55376&highlight=passed+away)
Scrappy passing (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51932&highlight=passed+away)
All but 2 or 3 of them I personally remember flying with / against in the past.
All of them were a member of the community in some way, as to who's more important than another I do not think it is any of our rights to say. They all are and will continued to be missed in some way.
If my cursory look for this information is any indication of the number of AH players that have passed I think we need to realize many, many people deserve respect, and remembrance.
That all I have to say about it. <> all.
(btw seeing some of those old posts sure brings back memories of some of the pilots named. it is truly a shame)
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MRS.KO here..
to those who are for a rememberance dedicated to my husband 68KO.
As he did alot and was honored to be a part of the AH community. I feel as tho he should have some kind of memorial out of respect, but as I see, some are not agreeing on that.
To those of you who thought of it and agree...I thankyou from the bottom of my heart as well as KO's 2 little ones. It means more than you know!!!
We love you KO!!!
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WEll mustaine, if the loss of KO brings back the memory of those pilots then perhaps its time we do something for ALL.
There is room on the wall of the O'Club. I say we 'get er done'. Start submitting names folks.
HTC, what say you??
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Sorry to disagree with kweesa again, and I do understand he means well...but...
Threads both on open forum and private **PigStompers** & 347th FG Forums on 68KO....if you sat down to tried and READ THEM ALL in ONE DAY....that's gonna be your whole day....
On memorial fly-over ceremony day...over 235 pilots from: USA, Canada, UK (Ireland, England & Scotland represented), Finland, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Russia, Denmark, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Serbia, Germany, Slovenia, (and that's just the ones I recognized and saw later on the video I took) represented....some at 2 and 3 AM their own local time to show their respects. And THAT'S just the ones who could MAKE the one-hour time frame...
If you enjoy Friday Night Squad Operations, Extreme Racing League...then you drove over the road that 68KO helped to build with his own concern, and dogged spirit/time/effort. (Thanks to the coordination with HTC, Inc.)
I guess what I am trying to say (and a few hundred like me) is that it is due to his deeds and works that he be honored, in this game, in some way.
I'm a simple player, and 99% of those who log in and play are, but there is that 1% who go above and beyond to do things--create things, organize things, bring about changes that the rest of us enjoy but never (usually) --like the pig under the acorn tree--look up to be thankful for where it came from.
Thank you 68KO.
Like I stated above:
.....for the ones who changed the face of the game...we CAN
.....for those who made a difference...we CAN.
For those who sacrificed time, effort, research, to make the game better for EVERYONE....YEAH...we CAN.
Can I get an AMEN?
ROX
**PigStompers**
347th FG
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AMEN BROTHER!
LETS GET THIS DONE FOR KO !
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Originally posted by pistol
I was just wandering how much support I could get on asking Hitech to name a map or special event after 68KO in memory of his dedication to the game. It's just a thought I had and your input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks and Salute to all<>:aok
excellent idea!
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It would seem fitting, and no doubt 68KO would agree, that everyone who actively plays this game, or has since retired, and passes away deserves to be memorialized in game on an respectfully equal basis.
Ask HTC to build a memorial plaque in this game somewhere that honors everyone, and for 68KO, who appears to have had a larger than average contribution to the game, name a map after him or an event. It seems appropriate to me. But lets not have a map and a event and a town and a city and a lake and a mountain and a skin and a arena and a......well........you get the picture. Lets pay our respects, make our tributes, take our time to grieve in game and keep it real.
to all you guys that knew him so well and were touched by him, but your not the entire community here (235 peeps is what percent of 5000 subscribers?), so lets bring the whole picture into focus here, the entire community. Lets keep it real for the sake of the larger community.
And you guys with the page turning avatars....any way to turn those off, Im getting seizures :aok
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Originally posted by Yeager
It would seem fitting, and no doubt 68KO would agree, that everyone who actively plays this game, or has since retired, and passes away deserves to be memorialized in game on an respectfully equal basis.
Ask HTC to build a memorial plaque in this game somewhere that honors everyone, and for 68KO, who appears to have had a larger than average contribution to the game, name a map after him or an event. It seems appropriate to me. But lets not have a map and a event and a town and a city and a lake and a mountain and a skin and a arena and a......well........you get the picture. Lets pay our respects, make our tributes, take our time to grieve in game and keep it real.
to all you guys that knew him so well and were touched by him, but your not the entire community here (235 peeps is what percent of 5000 subscribers?), so lets bring the whole picture into focus here, the entire community. Lets keep it real for the sake of the larger community.
And you guys with the page turning avatars....any way to turn those off, Im getting seizures :aok
This seems like a fitting idea. And well spoken I might add.
As a few have said in reference to the Racing League.
I went into the Racing maps a few times early in its development and KO was there to help me.
It was me and one other player there besides KO.
Right away KO asked me if I needed help or was i just practicing?
I told him it was the first time there for me.
He then asked me if I wanted to follow him through the course, to which replied i would.
We spent a long time flying time and time again through the course.
Had a lot of laugh's (Mostly at me) :D
Even though I never returned for racing ( Wasn't very interested)
I have thought back several times about the fun we had and the good taste it left in my mouth due to KO's light heartedness and his ability to laugh at me and make me feel as though I was not being laughed at but rather being laughed with.
If KO was the founder or even co/founder of the racing league...then by all means it would be fitting to make his mark visible to present and future AH players in that venue.
Thanks KO. S!
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Yeah, he sounds like a hellagood guy. Good to know of folks like that in life. Its a good memory to leave with people.
I went into a air race map in the h2h thingy last year......did he do that in the h2h arenas?
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Originally posted by Casinoman
On memorial fly-over ceremony day...over 235 pilots from: USA, Canada, UK (Ireland, England & Scotland represented), Finland, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Russia, Denmark, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Serbia, Germany, Slovenia, (and that's just the ones I recognized and saw later on the video I took) represented....some at 2 and 3 AM their own local time to show their respects. And THAT'S just the ones who could MAKE the one-hour time frame...
How much more do we really need? I am all for putting his name on a map or on a memorial someplace, but with all due respect, leave the event names alone. It took the work of more than one man to start up and sustain them.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Yeah, he sounds like a hellagood guy. Good to know of folks like that in life. Its a good memory to leave with people.
I went into a air race map in the h2h thingy last year......did he do that in the h2h arenas?
The time i went it was running in SE i think. I believe it was a few hours before a scheduled event was going to take place.
Im not sure if he did it in H2H as well
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HTC has nothing to do with h2h, or any other "free game" arena, other than supplying the server, i believe
*shameless plug* the Aces High Xtreme Air Racing League is an official event run by HTC in the SEA on tuesday nights/evening (depending on time zone) visit http://www.ahevents.com for info, or take alook at the forum on here
*shameless plug*
68KO had a hand in bringing the AHXARL to life so much thanks should go out to him, on this occasion.
im not going to argue anymore about the way we are going to memorialise 68KO or anyone else. down to HTC at the end of the day.
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Amen!!!
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Originally posted by skernsk
WEll mustaine, if the loss of KO brings back the memory of those pilots then perhaps its time we do something for ALL.
There is room on the wall of the O'Club. I say we 'get er done'. Start submitting names folks.
HTC, what say you??
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA
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Hello MrsKO! :) Blessings on you and your children! :)
How about names on the O'club wall of the lost pilots? That would be pretty nice also. That O'Club outta be used for something.
Skernsk in all the years I have known you I think that is the best idea you have ever had. In fact, I think that is the best idea a Canadian from our squad ever had. I will put you down for a commendation. ;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Not to be blunt or anything, but many AH players have passed away, and many more will in the future. Obviously we can't honor every single one of them, can we?
No, we can't. I can't imagine naming an airfield or a map or anything like that after a player, but then how many people know about the Mimosa Tree? She played a game called Meridian 59 as a way to meet people and "get out"; possibly the nicest lady I've ever met. Her death was inevitable and certainly not unexpected, but it still hit the community pretty hard. The Powers that Be gave us a tree:
http://www.riffy99.com/mimosa/mimosa.htm
AH is a different beast, but I wonder if the Powers that Be would let someone use the object editor to make a small monument that could be tucked into an out of the way corner of the map. An uninhabited island. Some place we could land or eject over and visit from time to time, so that those who knew him could go pay our respects.
Just a thought. Less obtrusive than the KO map, or even the KO racing league, but enough to remember a friend.
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I like the OClub memorial wall idea too. Keeps in in the center of the game but not in your face.
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Originally posted by daddog
Skernsk in all the years I have known you I think that is the best idea you have ever had. In fact, I think that is the best idea a Canadian from our squad ever had. I will put you down for a commendation. ;)
Heh, last night during a brief battle with a bottle of scotch it suddenly hit me daddog. Don't give me credit.... give all the credit to 'Glen Morangie'.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I like the OClub memorial wall idea too. Keeps in in the center of the game but not in your face.
ditto.
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I have to say, to anyone who may have thought I was "attempting" to take away from a memory a an individual, I was not. I was meerly pointing out there are other individuals who meant alot to other people involved with the game.
It seems to me the AH community has forgotten some of the formidable persons lost in the past 5 years I personally have been here (some even in the past 12 months).
a memorial plaque in the "o'club" in game is perfect, and a just remembrance to those lost. It is impersonal, and can be possibly kept up to date with names formally submitted in some way. As mentioned by others a "map" made for the remembrance of a player was "player" made, and thus should be IMHO. things of that nature can not be the responsibility of the game creators, as then they are deciding who is "worthy" and not.
that is NOT something I believe Dale, Doug, Roy and the others need to have on their shoulders.
to be honest though, how do you "officially" get a name on the plaque?
do you have to have "made a contribution" to the game / community? what if you were a 2-weeker, who passed before you could officially join, and a member of your family came to HTC Inc. and asked about memorializing them? the pressure that puts on the HTC staff is not acceptable. what do they do, ask for an official death certificate?
you see this is not an easy question to answer. the staff of HTC being "impartial" to this is almost absolute in my opinion. it is not about fame, sorrow, popularity, disdain, remorse, greatfulness, respect, hatred, or any other emotionally suggested thought.
they MUST be impartial (probably legally) for the sheer fact they are a business. that may sound cold and callous, but it is not. It is simplely being impartial to the whole situation for their sake.
requesting something from them is not wrong, and is probably encouraged in the fact the even take player suggestions seriously on most every aspect of the game. they have proven that they do.
this circumstance falls into a category that is out of the normal realm.
the original reason I posted in the topic was to attempt to show (in a completely impartial view) how do you choose to respect a certain player, and choose to not respect another? is it a popularity contest? number of posts wins? we ALL know only about 25% of the member base even reads the board, let alone posts on it. is it how "influential" the member was? that is totally impartial, as some of the founding members of squads that are still here over 15 years have passed, I'd say that is quite "influential" to the game and the way the community relates / plays together.
I guess to sum it up, if you as individuals or a community want to do something to remember a fellow person who has passed, please do so, it has been shown to be encouraged by the whole community, and I personally would love to be a part of any such remembrance...
to throw such a thing on HTC INC.'s shoulders though I feel is not a proper thing. they simplly do what they do, and run an online game which we all feel attached to in one way or another, some more than others.
If you feel in some way I have attempted to "disrespect" 68KO I apologize, as that is not my intention here. I am merely attempting to point out the difficulties in what many of you are asking, from my own point of view. I have only been in the flight sim community for 5 years, and many have been around a LONG time before me, so I may be totally off-base, I only felt the need to show the "flip side" of the matter. this is in NO way attempting to be callous about the loss of a member of the community, I personally regret, and mourn 68KO's loss, and my deepest and most heartfelt sympathies go out to all of his friends and family, as I stated in the original post documenting the loss.
<> all I think all I can say has been said here.
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I still think the best idea might be to make a special skin for a p51 that can either be used by squaddies or everyone. Dont know what skin it would be, but if the 68th is a real-life fightersquad then maybe one of theirs? It would take abit of work by a skinner and the approval of HTC but its a skin that would mean something special to those who knew him, and would just be any other skin to others. :)
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Originally posted by Mustaine
I have to say, to anyone who may have thought I was "attempting" to take away from a memory a an individual, I was not. I was meerly pointing out there are other individuals who meant alot to other people involved with the game.
It seems to me the AH community has forgotten some of the formidable persons lost in the past 5 years I personally have been here (some even in the past 12 months).
a memorial plaque in the "o'club" in game is perfect, and a just remembrance to those lost. It is impersonal, and can be possibly kept up to date with names formally submitted in some way. As mentioned by others a "map" made for the remembrance of a player was "player" made, and thus should be IMHO. things of that nature can not be the responsibility of the game creators, as then they are deciding who is "worthy" and not.
that is NOT something I believe Dale, Doug, Roy and the others need to have on their shoulders.
to be honest though, how do you "officially" get a name on the plaque?
do you have to have "made a contribution" to the game / community? what if you were a 2-weeker, who passed before you could officially join, and a member of your family came to HTC Inc. and asked about memorializing them? the pressure that puts on the HTC staff is not acceptable. what do they do, ask for an official death certificate?
you see this is not an easy question to answer. the staff of HTC being "impartial" to this is almost absolute in my opinion. it is not about fame, sorrow, popularity, disdain, remorse, greatfulness, respect, hatred, or any other emotionally suggested thought.
they MUST be impartial (probably legally) for the sheer fact they are a business. that may sound cold and callous, but it is not. It is simplely being impartial to the whole situation for their sake.
requesting something from them is not wrong, and is probably encouraged in the fact the even take player suggestions seriously on most every aspect of the game. they have proven that they do.
this circumstance falls into a category that is out of the normal realm.
the original reason I posted in the topic was to attempt to show (in a completely impartial view) how do you choose to respect a certain player, and choose to not respect another? is it a popularity contest? number of posts wins? we ALL know only about 25% of the member base even reads the board, let alone posts on it. is it how "influential" the member was? that is totally impartial, as some of the founding members of squads that are still here over 15 years have passed, I'd say that is quite "influential" to the game and the way the community relates / plays together.
I guess to sum it up, if you as individuals or a community want to do something to remember a fellow person who has passed, please do so, it has been shown to be encouraged by the whole community, and I personally would love to be a part of any such remembrance...
to throw such a thing on HTC INC.'s shoulders though I feel is not a proper thing. they simplly do what they do, and run an online game which we all feel attached to in one way or another, some more than others.
If you feel in some way I have attempted to "disrespect" 68KO I apologize, as that is not my intention here. I am merely attempting to point out the difficulties in what many of you are asking, from my own point of view. I have only been in the flight sim community for 5 years, and many have been around a LONG time before me, so I may be totally off-base, I only felt the need to show the "flip side" of the matter. this is in NO way attempting to be callous about the loss of a member of the community, I personally regret, and mourn 68KO's loss, and my deepest and most heartfelt sympathies go out to all of his friends and family, as I stated in the original post documenting the loss.
<> all I think all I can say has been said here.
Very well said sir.
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If you want to remember someone, put them on your squad's web site. The game is NOT the place for such things. HTC has far more important things to do. They do not have time to figure out who deserves honor's and accolades, by asking them to do so put's them in an bad possition.
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just a potential idea for the memorial in the O' Club
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/th_mockupcopy.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/mockupcopy.jpg)
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Originally posted by Helm
If you want to remember someone, put them on your squad's web site. The game is NOT the place for such things. HTC has far more important things to do. They do not have time to figure out who deserves honor's and accolades, by asking them to do so put's them in an bad possition.
I guess you either can't or didn't read the entire thread. Plz try again Sir.
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oh that's a clickable thumbnail by the way
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Not trying to take away 68ko. He will be missed. But there are many in here that have done alot for Players of AH. Some do it with time and some do it with money.
LETS see shane dies. Would most of you remember him always willing to teach in DA. Or fester and his maps, I could go on and on. I personally have paid for multiple players account s for upto 6months free, given away video cards, joysticks, memory and even complete computer systems. and I know of many more who at drop of hat willing to help out another ah'er. Do I want or think i should get a field or map in honor nope did it because i could. And if 68ko was as good a player as some have said then i really doubt he did it for reconigation, but simply for the fun of the game. Grim who most think as loud mouth sometimes, was first to offer complete furniture for us when house burnt down. PS most things didn't always go for squadmates but to guys i only knew cpid.
68ko started a racing league because thats what he wanted. now raceing league named after him then I'm all for it. But to think he was better than alot of others i'm sorry.
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The commissioned map is a proven method for this kind of thing, and doesn't have any of the problems associated with any of the other types of commemorative suggestions brought forth so far. And, it benefits everyone.
What's not to like?
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I remember seeing that Fester's P-51D was 68KOs favorite skin. Surely he had a favorite fighter group and plane out of all the Mustangs. Why not commission Fester to do a 51D skin in rememberance? An elegent solution that absolves HTC from any weighty decisions and entirely appropriate as a memorial to someone who liked the P-51D.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by Helm
If you want to remember someone, put them on your squad's web site. The game is NOT the place for such things. HTC has far more important things to do. They do not have time to figure out who deserves honor's and accolades, by asking them to do so put's them in an bad possition.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. 68KO contributed so much to this game, that if you were to ask anyone that is affiliated in a professional way with HTC, they would tell you that it truly is an honor well deserved. This is different than alot of online games in that the administrators are battling along side of you as your equal. They are a bigger part of this game than just being programmers. What you're not seeing is that all of the people in here, in this community are begging for something to be done in his honor. Ultimately, it is HiTech's decision, but for YOU to say that it has no place here, I personally find offensive, and I wasn't in his squad, nor one of his great friends on this game, I just had the honor of flying with him in a few scenarios.
So do us all a favor, and before you enter a thread like this and make a post, take a second and think about the level of offense you have the potential to generate by your statement. Just because it's there, doesn't mean that you have to look at it, or even acknowledge it, ignore it if you want, but don't you dare say that it has no place here, because YOU ARE WRONG!!!
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Take it east gents. This issue need not deteriorate. 68KO meant more to certain people on here than others. I personally never participated in Air Races here so have no idea KO was involved in it.
There are many here who contribute to the community whether it be as a CM, a person who is helpful in the arenas or someone who gives unwanted computer hardware. I think most of us who have been here a while can honestly say we have made a difference in some way.
The passing of 68KO brings this issue up of rememberance. I think it is time that we payed tribute to our friends who have shared much of their time here. Whether it be a skin, map or whatever.
The O'Club idea came to me because I wanted to think of something we can do for all lost members past and future that gives EQUAL share in a memorial. As far as how it is done, I think that you can send an e-mail to HTC regarding the loss or even post here and it can be taken care of.
It would not even need to be fancy. A 'chalk board' on the wall with a list of names and callsigns. I really don't think it is asking alot.
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^^^^
what he said
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AMEN,
68KO!
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for those who didnt get to see the 68KO Memorial Flight here is a link to a video with footage of it.
If this video doesnt show you how many people miss KO and were able to attend this flight and those who couldnt wished they could have been there.
68KO MEM VID (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=196236)
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<------ "Oz" in the avatar. A truly great person, helped a lot of folks in the game. I knew him personally, took him to doctor's appointments, had lunch with him and such. I was with him when he died. Hurt pretty bad when he finally lost his battle with pancreatic cancer.
I and other former TAS remember him in our avatar...we choose to do so.
We commissioned a map, named it for him; OzKansas. Sadly, it's not in the rotation anymore but I may call HT and see what kind of revisions it would take to get it back up.
Again, a choice a few of us made.
I suggest that those who choose to remember 68KO do so and proudly.
But do it yourselves, don't require it of HTC.
That said, I think a wall of names in the O'Club might be a possiblity if HTC chooses to do so. I just wonder how long before someone fakes a story to get their name up on the wall.
Impossible you say? Just review the history of hoaxes on this BBS; it's probable, not impossible.
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Thanks to you all that are trying to honor my husband 68KO.
It means more than you know!!!
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Originally posted by Helrazr1
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. 68KO contributed so much to this game, that if you were to ask anyone that is affiliated in a professional way with HTC, they would tell you that it truly is an honor well deserved. This is different than alot of online games in that the administrators are battling along side of you as your equal. They are a bigger part of this game than just being programmers. What you're not seeing is that all of the people in here, in this community are begging for something to be done in his honor. Ultimately, it is HiTech's decision, but for YOU to say that it has no place here, I personally find offensive, and I wasn't in his squad, nor one of his great friends on this game, I just had the honor of flying with him in a few scenarios.
So do us all a favor, and before you enter a thread like this and make a post, take a second and think about the level of offense you have the potential to generate by your statement. Just because it's there, doesn't mean that you have to look at it, or even acknowledge it, ignore it if you want, but don't you dare say that it has no place here, because YOU ARE WRONG!!!
A tough call, but I think the folks suggesting 68KO's squad do something, are on the right track. It would be way tough for HTC to know where to draw the line on who is remembered where and how.
I lost my 21 year old son 16 months ago. He flew AH with me. I miss him more then I hope you can ever imagine. Sometimes I still pull out the old films of he and I winging up just to remind me of the fun we had here.
I don't think it's HTC's place to remember Drew in the game though. It's up to me to make sure he isn't forgotten just as it's 68KO's friend's and family's job to make sure he isn't forgotten.
My deepest condolances to Mrs 68KO. Nothing meant as any disrespect to her late husband who I also had the chance to fly with on a couple of occasions.
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Mrs68KO,
Your late husband had a powerful and positive effect on many people who play this game. Many of us, most of us I believe.... understand the depth of you and your loved ones loss.
Believe me, as we haggle over ideas on if, how, what, where, when, why, why not and other such issues dealing with our system of online community remembrance, that this is what we do here in the O'club. We haggle over everything. Its in our nature to debate. Mostly it stays cool, a few get over the top. It should in no way be construed to represent anything but the flow of ideas in motion. Its a freedom I guess. I just wanted to say this, and I am positive that EVERYONE here, has nothing but the most sincere respect for you and all your entire extended family in your time of deep personal grief. Just wanted to say that.
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totally agree sir
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I just wanted to say this, and I am positive that EVERYONE here, has nothing but the most sincere respect for you and all your entire extended family in your time of deep personal grief. Just wanted to say that. (yeager)
And we appreciate that. I know you all are sincere.
My personal opinion is he should be honored, not only because hes my husband, but because what he brought to the game. He really put his heart into it. Fights and all, but as you said, that is part of it all.
I know the 68th themselves are doing their own thing also to honor BIll, which Im thankful. That squad was a BIG part of his life! (and the people in it) But he did put alot of time into he game and did invent the race, I remember it all,,,, I lived it with him, I know what this game meant to him. I think thats why Im probably hanging on to what I read here.
But which ever way you go, I know I have no say or nothing I can do about it, But Im just letting you know how i feel.
He probably spent more time with you all then me
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He loved the game... he loved us.. I just never want him forgotten.
Again thanks to you all as you meant alot to KO.
He is so very missed!
Sue (Ant and Manda too)
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i agree,, design a skin with 68KO on nose