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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Spiritin on January 12, 2007, 07:46:18 AM
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Later models had a large calibre nose cannon..............PLEASE!!!!
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Im saying no to this idea for the pure darn fact that I dont want you flying with bigger guns! :D
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From a website I found (no idea of historical accuracy):
"RAF Coastal Command obtained a specialized derivative of the FB.VI, the "FB.VIII", which had a 57 millimeter autoloading Molins gun, an airborne modification of the light 6-pounder antitank gun, installed in place of the four 20 millimeter cannon. Two of the 7.7 millimeter Brownings were often removed in the field, with the two remaining used for sighting the big gun.
The Molins gun was adopted to help Mosquitos hit German submarines from out of range of the vessel's antiaircraft guns and proved effective, but Coastal Command Mosquitos were then qualified to carry a variant of the RP with a solid warhead. Aircrews felt the RP was a much better weapon. 25 FB.VIIIs were built, all as conversions of FB.VIs, with the first flying in mid-1943."
Not sure if a total of 25 aircraft qualifies the type for AHII or CT.
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57mm gun + mossie = new HO'in toy:t :t
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Well, the FB.Mk XVIII also had 800lbs of additional armor, so it would handle quite differently. It is not just a gun change, so it may not be possible to do it as a perk gun like the F4U-1C will be done as a perk gun version of the F4U-1D.
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HTC has already said they will not add Tse Tse (Big-gun Mozzie), due to the possibility that it could snipe bombers from outside their gunrange.
Now, a glass-nose version would make a nice stable-mate to our current fighterbomber, and our current one would be lovely without the flame dampers.
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I want bomber version mossie. I want to fly on deck and bomb berlin, and fly back with 50 trailing 109s that run out of fuel over the North Sea, or English Channel.
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I'm all for it... As far as I know I have never been shot down by a mossie and I have shot down plenty... Therefore, they probably do need a gun...
Oh... They have a gun?
hmmm. No one ever used the gun on me.
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Originally posted by Kurt
I'm all for it... As far as I know I have never been shot down by a mossie and I have shot down plenty... Therefore, they probably do need a gun...
Oh... They have a gun?
hmmm. No one ever used the gun on me.
Funny, my K/D ratio in the Mossie is massively positive and the only kill a Bf110 has ever gotten on my Mossie is the one that I oversped and tore my elevators off while diving on it.
Even the Bf110s that dove on me never managed to get me, though I'll admit that I was lucky on several occasions and the superior deck speed of the Mossie got me out of several other sticky situations.
As to the 57mm cannon, it might be doable as a perk option. Pay x perks and get a 57mm cannon in the place of the four 20mm cannons, two of the .303s and the bomb bay space and an addional 800lbs of armor.
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What a rubish reason for not having the 57mm . it only had 45 rounds in that 6 pounder . The 20mm cannon is good at hiting bombers 1.2k out if it's set up right .
I demand a 57mm mossie and that it should fly as it's suposed to eg fast and manoverable
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I'd just be happy if we had the bomber version Mossie with the 4,000 lb cookie. I wouldn't mind seeing an upgraded cockpit (since those Spitfire cockpits look so nice), and if they got around to fixing the CG issue it would be nice...
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well, i personally think a great mossie list would be:
B. MkIV (early war level bombing mossie with glass nose and bombsight)
FB. MkVI (our current mossie. update the graphics, fix the centre of gravity bug, and remove the flame damper modelling from the flight model)
B. MkXVI (late war level bomber, which was incredibly fast and could carry a 4000 lb cookie bomb, like the big 4000lb bomb on the lancaster ingame)
that would give a decent range of marks spanning several years.
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Originally posted by Kurt
I'm all for it... As far as I know I have never been shot down by a mossie and I have shot down plenty... Therefore, they probably do need a gun...
Oh... They have a gun?
hmmm. No one ever used the gun on me.
Guess you've never met thrila.
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Originally posted by VooWho
I want bomber version mossie. I want to fly on deck and bomb berlin, and fly back with 50 trailing 109s that run out of fuel over the North Sea, or English Channel.
Same here. This would add a very effective strike AC. We were just talking about this the other night amongst ourselves.
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I would be pleased if our current mossie had the flame dampeners removed and the subsequent performance modelled into the game.
Also the CoG must be fixed as well
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Agreed, fix the CoD.... As a frequent flyer of the Mossie I settle for just that.
On the other hand 1 or 2 of the later Mks would be a nice inclusion for the game.
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yea i like the mossie but i hate the low flying spin-out stalls into the ground:furious
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The Mk XVIII Mosquito was a rare variant as only 18, including the prototype HJ732, were built. The aircraft were HX902, 904, MM424, 425, NT220, 224, 225, and PZ251, 152, 300, 301, 346, 467, 468, 469 and 470. Most served with 248 Squadron and were in use until the end of the war. The exception was PZ467 which was sent to the USA for evaluation and did not see front line service. What set all these aircraft apart was that they were all fitted with the Molins 6 pounder anti-tank gun.
The Molins anti-tank gun was produced by Molins Machine Co of Peterborough at the beginning of the war. It was intended to be mounted on small armoured vehicles for use against tanks. It held 22 or 25 rounds in batches of 4 or 5 which were fed electrically to the breech. As one batch was fired the next was moved into position. It completed trials in 1942 but the Germans then introduced the Tiger tank which was impervious to 6 pounder shells.
The Hawker Hurricane IID's were fitted with 40mm Rolls Royce BF or Vickers Type S anti-tank guns but it was thought that something heavier was needed such as the Molins. As the Molins weighed 1,800lbs (816kg) this would mean a bigger, preferably twin engined, aircraft and de Havilland were approached to see if the Mosquito would do. As they had already done a feasibility study on the much heavier 3.7 inch (94mm) gun they agreed it was possible.
An old FBVI fuselage was used for static firing tests but a bolt broke so another method of attaching the gun had to be found. A new FBVI Mosquito, HJ732, was selected and modified to a Mk XVIII. The 12ft 5in (3.8mm) gun was mounted at a slightly downward angle and protruding 2 feet (600mm) from the nose. It now really looked like a Mosquito with a sting.
After further ground firing tests flying tests took place and a snag was found. If the Molins gun had a force of more than 2.5g imposed on it then it would not load the shells. Modifications were made so it was capable of sustaining both negative and positive g forces. However after firing 400 rounds the under surface of the flaps tore off. After strengthening of the flaps it was decided that only the two outer .303 Browning machine guns would be retained but with a greatly increased ammunition capacity.
Another minor problem was that the gun's breech was behind the crew and the spent shell cases were ejected inside the aircraft fuselage where they rolled about with aircraft movement. It was thought that if they were ejected externally they might hit the tailplane.
To accomodate both the Molins and the Browning machine guns a different gunsight, the MkIIIa, replaced the MkII. This had different aiming marks for the Molins and the Brownings. In addition protective armour and long range fuel tanks were fitted so the aircraft could be used against U boats.
The aircraft served with 248 Squadron which was based at Predannack in Cornwall from October 1943. They proved to be a great success and the first U boat, U-123, was sunk on November 7 in the Bay of Biscay. The Molins armour piercing shell weighing 7.1lbs (3.2kg) were tipped with hardened steel and had no problems entering a submarine's pressure hull and creating great havoc inside.
248 Squadron protected Allied shipping during the D-Day landings and then was moved north to Banff in Scotland in 1944. From there it carried out many attacks on German shipping and installations in Norway.
Specification of the Molins 6 pounder Anti-tank Gun.
Bore 2.25in (57mm)
Action Recoil
Cyclic Rate 60 rounds per minute
Muzzle Velocity 2,600ft/sec (792m/sec)
Ammo feed Molins automatic
Magazine 22 rounds (some sources say 25)
Length 12ft 5in (3.8m)
Height 38in (965mm)
Weight 1,800lbs (816kg)
Even with the gun's recoil action when a round was fired the Mosquito would temporarily slow down.
And why were they called the Tsetse Fly? Because they had a bigger bite than your normal Mosquito.