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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on January 14, 2007, 04:02:33 PM
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Check out the I-Phone demonstration, NO B.S.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk
Many people here are still not convinced with I-Phone's capabilities. My friends... Apple just started a revolution!
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Awesome.
It will be mine.
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Yes, the new I-Phone is very different from what I'm expecting.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1759/667/320/iphone_032.jpg)
:D
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It probably won't be called the Iphone, as Apple is about to be sued over the product (I think it's only about the name)
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Originally posted by 1K3
Check out the I-Phone demonstration, NO B.S.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk
Many people here are still not convinced with I-Phone's capabilities. My friends... Apple just started a revolution!
OK lets work through the demo features:
Dial Touch Pad: had it since my original Treo 180 - 7 (?) years ago
Sync: had it since my original Palm 10 (?) years ago
Call Contacts: had it since my original Treo 180 again. Plus I can type in initials, parts of names, click on links from my calender, notes, sms, and emails to call a person. Oh and voice-dialing too :) (3 year old feature)
Visual Voice Mail: new feature. However this is a carrier feature, no doubt rolling out to all modern handsets.
MP3 Player: had it since my Treo 600 3-4 (?) years ago (Treo 270 could do it but had no SD slot so I won't count that)
Sensor Turning: other products have done this for some time. Nice but nothing ground breaking.
Read Mail: had this since my Treo 180 once again. About 3 years ago I started using Push Email (like on the Blackberry). Note apple only mention imap and pop so I assume there is no exchange integration.
Browser: had this since my Treo 180 once again.
Photo's: had this since my Treo 180 once again, although that was greyscale so maybe my 6 year old Treo 270 would be appropriate.
Wow, apple has released a phone that who's major features I would consider to be 3-7 year old 'standard' features on any smartphone.
What was that about a revolution.
I'm not knocking the device. It is pretty, it is nice. But this "most advanced..." and "revolutionary" is BS. For some of us it is old hat. It goes to show what a sheltered life a lot of mac users live in to be unaware of what the rest of the world has been up too.
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The UI does look cleverly designed, but the touchscreen interface and image rotation are the only new things. It's not the most advanced phone in the world. I suppose it depends on how big your world is. I've been able to do everything that device does, and much more, for years now. Shoot, our 3G system is being upgraded half a generation already to 100Mbps (symmetrical) for viewing HDTV. Terrestrial TV is already available. I'll stop now before you get angry at me... ;)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
OK lets work through the demo features:
Dial Touch Pad: had it since my original Treo 180 - 7 (?) years ago
Sync: had it since my original Palm 10 (?) years ago
Call Contacts: had it since my original Treo 180 again. Plus I can type in initials, parts of names, click on links from my calender, notes, sms, and emails to call a person. Oh and voice-dialing too :) (3 year old feature)
Visual Voice Mail: new feature. However this is a carrier feature, no doubt rolling out to all modern handsets.
MP3 Player: had it since my Treo 600 3-4 (?) years ago (Treo 270 could do it but had no SD slot so I won't count that)
Sensor Turning: other products have done this for some time. Nice but nothing ground breaking.
Read Mail: had this since my Treo 180 once again. About 3 years ago I started using Push Email (like on the Blackberry). Note apple only mention imap and pop so I assume there is no exchange integration.
Browser: had this since my Treo 180 once again.
Photo's: had this since my Treo 180 once again, although that was greyscale so maybe my 6 year old Treo 270 would be appropriate.
Wow, apple has released a phone that who's major features I would consider to be 3-7 year old 'standard' features on any smartphone.
What was that about a revolution.
I'm not knocking the device. It is pretty, it is nice. But this "most advanced..." and "revolutionary" is BS. For some of us it is old hat. It goes to show what a sheltered life a lot of mac users live in to be unaware of what the rest of the world has been up too.
I'm not saying iPhone is the world's advanced cellphone. It is the Apple's killer U.I. that's driving their sales up.
I bet you had to read a 300 page booklet on how to operate your Treo:D
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Originally posted by Rolex
The UI does look cleverly designed, but the touchscreen interface and image rotation are the only new things. It's not the most advanced phone in the world. I suppose it depends on how big your world is. I've been able to do everything that device does, and much more, for years now. Shoot, our 3G system is being upgraded half a generation already to 100Mbps (symmetrical) for viewing HDTV. Terrestrial TV is already available. I'll stop now before you get angry at me... ;)
Korea is beating at your own game too, Korea is ready to roll out 4G:D
Sadly the iPhone will only operate at a 2G network :(
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a toy for the starbucks crowd to play with wile they sip their $5 latte.
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I'm one of the few that has no interest in integrated gadgets.
I have a digital camera.
I have a gpsr.
I have an mp3 player.
I have a cellphone.
I don't want them all combined into one sleek and incredibly fragile looking device.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm one of the few that has no interest in integrated gadgets.
I have a digital camera.
I have a gpsr.
I have an mp3 player.
I have a cellphone.
I don't want them all combined into one sleek and incredibly fragile looking device.
odd, i have no interest in any of those...
i have a 35mm camera, its frikken great. i dont have the need to take photographs of every random thing that happens in a day.
i have a map, a good sense of direction, and a sense of adventure.
i have a portable cd player, that plays the few mp3 cds i have...
i do have a cellphone, but i never use it.
and 1k3, get over the asian thing already, there not that great.
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Originally posted by vorticon
odd, i have no interest in any of those...
i have a 35mm camera, its frikken great. i dont have the need to take photographs of every random thing that happens in a day.
i have a map, a good sense of direction, and a sense of adventure.
i have a portable cd player, that plays the few mp3 cds i have...
i do have a cellphone, but i never use it.
and 1k3, get over the asian thing already, there not that great.
In short, you have no need for an iPhone.
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Behold the power of hype.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Behold the power of hype.
Behold the power of independent thought.
:D
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Originally posted by 1K3
I'm not saying iPhone is the world's advanced cellphone. It is the Apple's killer U.I. that's driving their sales up.
I bet you had to read a 300 page booklet on how to operate your Treo:D
Err no. You've never used a Treo have you? I can't remember reading the manual bar finding out what some of the functions on a couple of special keys are. The interface is very intuitive and easy to use. The Treo variation of PalmOS is orientated to 'one-hand-use' - making cellphone use, among other things very easy. Most Palm apps have followed suit.
Despite having a touch screen the 4 way navigator and keyboard are much more intuitive (tactile feedback makes a huge difference on a phone). Have an on screen interface is nothing new, the old Treo 180s/270s had that. But most people end up preferring REAL keys and REAL buttons because of the feedback.
So Treo has the killer UI. But why doesn't Treo dominate smartphone sales? Easy... people want integration with M$ server platforms, ie exchange. Now PalmOS does that, but its just easier to go PocketPC for most buyers. Out of the box I doubt apples device will have any integration, theres no mention of its sync'ing capabilities say to outlook even. That could make it a very very limited device (You do realize most ipod sales are to Windows PC owners, not mac owners? )
Driving what sales up? It is not available until June. Meanwhile Apple are advertising a bucketload of jobs for their phone division. Makes you wonder how ready to market the product is.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Behold the power of independent thought.
:D
:aok
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Apple saw the writing on the wall. Cellphones have continued to integrate other devices and cellphones were well on their way to being the only true challenge to Apple's dominance in the MP3 player market.
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That touch screen will start to lose popularity the first time someone tries to place a call with peanutbutter in their fingers or at work.
Even people with normal greasy skin will leave the screen full of marks. So it will be looking messy and require nannying at use not to damage the fragile screen with too hard pressing. It would also be interesting to see how useable it is at -30C temperature where lcd screens literally freeze up and give almost zero feedback on what youre doing. :rolleyes:
I think that once the hype is done with and people try to actually use one the word will go around not to get one.
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Originally posted by john9001
a toy for the starbucks crowd to play with wile they sip their $5 latte.
sounds good to me :aok
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Now THIS is a good iphone commercial. Gotta love Conan O'Brien
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM&eurl=
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hand grenade and prophylactic!!! LMAO!!!
:rofl
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I love this guy-
Stephen Colbert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGXwtkXOjZw&NR)
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Sooo, you have to have a dedicated pocket, lined with cotton in order to carry it around?
Uh,..or do you have to buy a shell to protect the touchscreen? Uhmm,..something else to fumble with when you get a call.
How to you carry it around without damaging the touchscreen? And, good luck making a phone call when you need to be focused on something else. I can flip opne my phone, press a button to make a call and never have to look at my phone.
This seems to be a toy for those who have more money than sense.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I can flip opne my phone, press a button to make a call and never have to look at my phone.
PFFFFT!! I just press a button on my bluetooth and say your name and the call is otw. I don't even have to touch my phone.
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I can also tell my phone who to call, if the ambient noise levels are low. But, as an example, if I want to call someone from my car and I happen to be going over a rough road, I have to manually touch a button.
I can do this without looking at the phone. And it is not blue or even yellow toothed. :)
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Car? What kind of person needs a car with all those fast moving parts that can break and need gasoline and batteries and all that fancy stuff?
Why not just use a bicycle?
Things a car does that a bicycle can do too:
* Drive on roads - Bicycles did this for years before the first car was built.
* Drive on dirt - same thing, nothing revolutionary here
* Drive far - People have ridden bicycles from one side of the country to the other, again, nothing new.
* Carry stuff - Bicycles can tow trailers, helloooo
* Music - Your car has a stereo? Well, when I ride my bicycle I can just sing. All the music I want.
Additionally, my bicycle doesn't have a "wind shield" that can get all cracked or dinged by gravel thrown up by other bicycles.
I'm just not convinced.
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Ok, that is pretty weak Chairboy. According to your sarcastic analogy, the car cannot do anything better than the bicycle. And that is just wrong. There are far many more practical things the car does better than a bicycle.
Care to answer my question about how you can carry this thing around and not destroy it? Touchscreen panels are not bulletproof and quite easily destroyed.
Absolutely no one has said why this thing is practical. Or how it can do things better than the things it is replacing. Nilsens comment about it being a fun toy seems tobe the only one that makes sense.
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I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, just making a silly reductio ad absurdum. I don't know about the iPhone anymore, I'm going to wait and let other folks try it out first to see if it's worth it or not. My 'fan boi' status is firmly in check now that the breathless "zomg!" post-announcement hype is over.
Regarding touchscreens, I don't see anything magical needed for it to work. The iPods have gotten pretty good recently in the anti-scratch arena for their screens, and they get man-handled quite a bit. I've had a bunch of Palm devices with touchscreens, and I carried them in my pocket without any trouble. I just don't see this as being a big problem, my concerns are about other areas (locking out external software, what kind of data plans will Cingular require, etc).
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Absolutely no one has said why this thing is practical. Or how it can do things better than the things it is replacing. Nilsens comment about it being a fun toy seems tobe the only one that makes sense.
It's not practical. At all. Here's a snippet from the ongoing conversation about it on my WoW guild forums.
Now, after all that flash and hype, we get to see what the phone really is: Locked with Cingular, no SDK ever, no 3G, no MS Exchange, Yahoo mail only, no wireless downloadable content (which the Sandisk Sansa currently is able to do), iTunes only content/podcasts, no replaceable battery (it's sealed..gg), undisclosed idle battery life, badly reviewed text messaging input method, 500-600$ with two year contract, $50 a month minimum voice contract, $30 a month for wifi-EDGE access, no iChat, 15 cent SMS charges...
Thing's aren't looking so rosey anymore. It looks cool as hell, but I'm not sure it's worth the money at this point. $600 for the iPhone..err ApplePhone + 24 x (50 + 30) = $600 + $1920 = $2520 for an iPhone with typical 2 year contract with Cingular.
Personally for me, the no 3rd party apps is looking to be a deal breaker for me.
So Apple fanboys, what say you?
note, the Apple fanboys have yet to respond.
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WTF? No 3rd party apps? I thought it ran OS X?
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This thing is getting goofier by the minute.
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(http://nextelonline.nextel.com/assets/images/phones/i870_l.gif)
this is my phone, it has video camera, digital camera, has lil card that i can transfer pics from my phone to my PC, it has MP3 player and lots of other junk i'll prolly never really use, as long as i can call out, use my 2 way and talk, is all that matters to me, touch screen...really what would b the point in that....it does seem to b lil silly. i would rather not have to worry bout something like that breakin on me. just my 2 cents