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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Suave on January 15, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
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I never thought that taking chutes out of this game would detract from it as much as it does. Bring back chutes to shoot !
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They took it out?
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Essentially yes. Chute pilots can end sortie the second that they bail. That's why you don't see them anymore.
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Yea I'm sure buff guys doing historic drops would really appreciate that.
Ride that baby in from 30k with tail shot off would take how long?
Bronk
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Some reason people see chutes and get blood lust. I can't even remember making it to the ground in a chute under the old system.
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Now that you mention it I don't see a lot of chutes. And to think I'm still waiting to hit the ground beofore exiting......
I guess when they bring back the sheep, the chutes can stay...... Will be a reason to float to the ground.
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Originally posted by Suave
Essentially yes. Chute pilots can end sortie the second that they bail. That's why you don't see them anymore.
Errr.... Suave, it has been like that (in the Main Arena(s)) ever since i started playing this game. Im not sure what you mean there. You could always exit flight once you had bailed.
If this is an attempt at trolling another chute thread, im afraid Ill have to give it a 2/10... its really badly researched and stinky ;).
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Originally posted by Bronk
Yea I'm sure buff guys doing historic drops would really appreciate that.
Ride that baby in from 30k with tail shot off would take how long?
Bronk
Only a tard would open their chute at 30k.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Errr.... Suave, it has been like that (in the Main Arena(s)) ever since i started playing this game. Im not sure what you mean there. You could always exit flight once you had bailed.
If this is an attempt at trolling another chute thread, im afraid Ill have to give it a 2/10... its really badly researched and stinky ;).
How long have you been playing? It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't end sortie untill you were on the ground.
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Originally posted by Suave
Only a tard would open their chute at 30k.
Still takes forever in free fall mode.
Bronk
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Not a troll, just want Hitech to know that giving bailers preferentail treatment over chute shooters makes the game much more lame for us chute shooters.
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Originally posted by Suave
It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't end sortie untill you were on the ground.
Yip, I agree, there was a time, you open the chute, you ride it to the ground before you could exit.
Mind you I couldn't tell you when the change came in as I'm still riding mine down....:cry
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Originally posted by Bronk
Still takes forever in free fall mode.
Bronk
Less than a minute isn't forever.
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Originally posted by Suave
Less than a minute isn't forever.
:D I know, it just feels like it.
Bronk
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i agree.
it also gives the suicide-bail-after-bomb guys get an easy go of it.
they should at least have to float down into the town ack and take it like a man.
i never shoot chutes as a general rule, and i stilll find the lack of them a detraction from the old aceshigh.
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Originally posted by Suave
How long have you been playing? It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't end sortie untill you were on the ground.
Over two years.
The "Exit while Moving" is an arena setting that can be changed for the different types of "rides". Like Plane, Vehicle, Chute, Boat....
It differs from arena to arena. In the TA, you can tower out of your plane (getting a ditch). In the DA you cannot exit from chute.
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I know.
It's been like this since you've been playing. The .ef from chute I mean.
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i guess complaining about not being able to kill people in there chutes must take away greatly from your total kills now, guess you'll have to earn them now:lol
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That's what a bailer would say.
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:lol sorry but i go down with my plane, nothing more fun than shooting a chute right? if i get shot down i give that person the kill and a salute for a job well done :aok
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You should consider bailing out.
Just don't use the .ef exploit.
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why? as far as im concered they earned the kill plain and simple
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Originally posted by Suave
That's what a bailer would say.
Speaking as a "noob" here.... Im not sure whats wrong about bailing and exiting flight? Its the quickest way back to tower and you still get the kill credit.
Heck, ive actually bailed from a damaged, but still flyable plane in the past after a good fight, to avoid someone else stealing the kill of my adversary.
Originally posted by Suave
It's been like this since you've been playing. The .ef from chute I mean.
Errr.... I still dont really get it. But that might just me being blonde, so bear with me for a second please :). Why have them "fix" it over 2.5 years after the fact? Kinda baffles me.....
Any ways: I never really cared what someone did after getting shot out of his plane... so to chute or not to chute.... I dont mind :D.
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Suave.
my best bet is you work bailing carboard boxes for a living,
at least its an honest job
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If you bail they get the kill.
If you ride it in they get the kill.
If you bail and .ef they get the kill.
Not sure what the problem is.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Speaking as a "noob" here.... Im not sure whats wrong about bailing and exiting flight? Its the quickest way back to tower and you still get the kill credit.
Heck, ive actually bailed from a damaged, but still flyable plane in the past after a good fight, to avoid someone else stealing the kill of my adversary.
Errr.... I still dont really get it. But that might just me being blonde, so bear with me for a second please :). Why have them "fix" it over 2.5 years after the fact? Kinda baffles me.....
Any ways: I never really cared what someone did after getting shot out of his plane... so to chute or not to chute.... I dont mind :D.
theres nothing wrong with bailing out or with shooting a chute it was widely used during WW2 to keep the pilot from floating to the ground only to be rescued and fight another day
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I don't care about kills, I want to have fun, and shooting people in AH is fun, and challenging.
Also it's a way to punish score potatos.
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Originally posted by Suave
I don't care about kills, I want to have fun, and shooting people in AH is fun, and challenging.
Also it's a way to punish score potatos.
Ok so you don't care about kills and want to have fun soooooooooooo whats fun and challenging about shooting a chute? just a question
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Heck, ive actually bailed from a damaged, but still flyable plane in the past after a good fight, to avoid someone else stealing the kill of my adversary.
It is kinda fun watching them step over one another trying to kill a wounded AC though.
The best is when they auger chasing the one wingers into the dirt.
Bronk
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Originally posted by 68ZooM
i guess complaining about not being able to kill people in there chutes must take away greatly from your total kills now, guess you'll have to earn them now:lol
No, it just removes something that we could practice our gunnery on.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by 68ZooM
Ok so you don't care about kills and want to have fun soooooooooooo whats fun and challenging about shooting a chute? just a question
If you have to ask..
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Heck, ive actually bailed from a damaged, but still flyable plane in the past after a good fight, to avoid someone else stealing the kill of my adversary.
Possibly the best reason I've ever heard for bailing. However if you do do this please don't .ef untill you've landed on the ground. Stealing fun is worse than stealing kills.
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Originally posted by 68ZooM
theres nothing wrong with bailing out or with shooting a chute it was widely used during WW2 to keep the pilot from floating to the ground only to be rescued and fight another day
Right, but the differance between AH and real life is that in real life, dead guys cant fly planes. Here, if you get shot down, and stick in the plane all the way down and go BOOM into a hill, POOF! Your back in the tower as a recruit or a veteran or an Ace, or whatever you started out as, able to jump in another plane and get shot down all over again! At the end of the day, even you would complain if HT changed it so you got one life snd then had to create a new Screen name. Id do one sortie and leave the game. I say keep the .ef in chutes.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Errr.... I still dont really get it.
Ditto.
Hypothetically speaking, should a change be made requiring one to ride their bail to the ground, folks would just not open the chute till near the ground. I doubt many folks could hit a body dropping at 200 fps nor give up alt just to kill a bailer at 800 ft.
Bah!
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Best WTF post/whine of the new year
Suave for the good laugh ;)
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The only think you could possibly get from shooting a chute is a steal of a kill,nuf said.
I just dont open till 200-300 feet.
Let em work on real issues like CT.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Speaking as a "noob" here.... Im not sure whats wrong about bailing and exiting flight? Its the quickest way back to tower and you still get the kill credit.
There was some big hoohah awhile ago about people bailing because it wouldn't affect their score somehow or they'd lose less perkies for baling, that's all I know about it. When I was flying with Sawman in AH1 he advised me never to shoot chutes as it was a waste of ammo and time, that was one of the only times I saw a chute in AH1. I did recently kill a chute in Friday squad ops under orders from my squad CO:p
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It's not enough for me to win; someone else has to die in the process.
They call it a kill for a reason. :t
I also support making the silkchimps ride it to the ground.
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I still ride the chute until im sure no one cares about my being there. I like to empty my .45 in an effort to get a PK on some poor SOB...
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Actually, there ARE chutes in the air, but there's a bug that places them on the ground directly below where they're floating. You'll see a pilot with his chute open on the ground for a minute or two because in reality he's still floating. When that chute vanishes, he's hit the ground.
I never knew you could exit while moving in a chute. Ever since the first three times I tried it and got a "You must be stopped..." message, I gave up.
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Without actually going into Dales head and reading his brain I bet I can still tell you why you can now leave when not alll the way down?
remember not too long ago someone asking on CH 1 for a "mercy shoot" as they accidentally opened their chute at say 10,000 feet? I remember all you chute shooters would let them hang there just to be cruel. (explain that anyway, you shot the chute to be cruel, then leave another just hanging there to be cruel also??)
point being, some vets still made that mistake... imagine a newbie not knowing any better and bailing out of his dead airplane at 20k?
so here's our typical 2-weeker, floating down for about 30 minutes, unable to do a thing. he doesn't know better, and might never learn as he might not want to pay to sit in a chute. his short experience in the online game may be spoiled by this.
as for the accidental vet, he could always ALT-F4 out, then re-log.... but I'll bet that played heck with the stat and login servers, as a quick guy could probably ALT-F4, restart the game, and pop back into the arena before the server knew the first connection was truly lost.
also didn't ALT-F4'ing do funny things to the video in game... leaving artifacts,. or something?
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Originally posted by Suave
How long have you been playing? It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't end sortie untill you were on the ground.
LOL dood its been about 2 years since they implemented that. Where have you been? Who really gives a rats ass. There are about 1000 things more important that need to be addressed. This is a weak troll. You get an F!
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Over two years.
Sorry Schatzi, he's right... Back in AH-I you had to be on the ground to exit. End Sortie from Chutes started in AHII I believe.
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OK:
1. You used to have to ride shoots down all the way.
2. Now you dont.
3. You can't kill-steal by taking a chute, the guy who caused the bail or the most damage prior to that already got the kill.
4. The most a pilot who .ef's a chute can gain is a capture or successful bail over a death.
5. Floating down from 20K after being shot in a bomber could take 30 minutes (or more).
6. It's easy to accidently open your shoot bailing from 20K plus as your often used to the quick entry at lower alts to get your chute open in time.
I'd say its the best balance, otherwise, if you think it's fun go bail at 20K, open and ride it down. Woo Hoo!!!!
Shooting the chute doesn't even give you the kill-steal you're so desperately looking for.
If the best fight you have in you is killing a chute go defend a field against goons. You don't even have to face off against the goon, just kill the troops.
Leave it alone.
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I don't shoot chutes to killsteal, I shoot them for the same reasons everyone else does-
the whines.
FIX TEH CHUTE!1!
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Originally posted by Kurt
Sorry Schatzi, he's right... Back in AH-I you had to be on the ground to exit. End Sortie from Chutes started in AHII I believe.
LoL, no need to be sorry.... I was just sure that the whole thing had NOT been changed in the last two years. I was just "surprised" that hed bring it up that long after the fact.
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Originally posted by Suave
Possibly the best reason I've ever heard for bailing. However if you do do this please don't .ef untill you've landed on the ground. Stealing fun is worse than stealing kills.
Oh, OK. I wasnt aware of that. Ill make a point to fly... pardon float, to you fullest enjoyment in the future :).
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Speaking as a "noob" here.... Im not sure whats wrong about bailing and exiting flight? Its the quickest way back to tower and you still get the kill credit.....
Simply put... It would slow the cycle of bombers on a target. If you had to ride the chute down or go splat on the ground many people would think twice about taking bombers up, dropping their load, bailing and repeating the cycle.
Personally I hate tracking down a bomber group and having them bail the moment they see me. Out of range of both my guns and the prox kill. It's happened so many times I can't count them all.
And in old AH if you bailed and were smart, you didn't need to ride it down from 30k. I don't think ANYONE who's ever actually jumped out of a plane opened their chute at 20-30k. So in AH if you did open it that high, you deserved the long ride down.
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Originally posted by NHawk
Simply put... It would slow the cycle of bombers on a target. If you had to ride the chute down or go splat on the ground many people would think twice about taking bombers up, dropping their load, bailing and repeating the cycle.
I am afraid they would adapt quickly. They just do not open the chute and you will be back in tower almost as fast as before.
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Originally posted by Lusche
I am afraid they would adapt quickly. They just do not open the chute and you will be back in tower almost as fast as before.
The the simple fix would be don't allow someone to bail from a bomber until the bomber has taken damage from the enemy. That stops self-inflicted damage such as ripping wings.
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Originally posted by NHawk
The the simple fix would be don't allow someone to bail from a bomber until the bomber has taken damage from the enemy. That stops self-inflicted damage such as ripping wings.
Counter measure to this: Just auger.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Counter measure to this: Just auger.
LOL, auger from 30k. I'd be in favor of that. :)
In any case they receive a "Death" rather than a bail or capture.
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Originally posted by Suave
How long have you been playing? It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't end sortie untill you were on the ground.
Its been like that for the last year at least
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Originally posted by NHawk
LOL, auger from 30k. I'd be in favor of that. :)
Hehe, yes that would take some time. But: Maybe your experience differs, but most, if not all, of the bombīnībailers I have seen do not bother to climb to such altitudes. If one has the patience to fly for 30 min to gain alt and get to target, he will probably have no problems flying 15-20 mins or so back to a friendly base.
For BīnīB people, turnaround speed is cruical.
I wish I had any foolproof solution...
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Originally posted by Suave
it's a way to punish score potatos.
Agreed. Just another small way to push back against score-conscious flying.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Magellan
Ditto.
Hypothetically speaking, should a change be made requiring one to ride their bail to the ground, folks would just not open the chute till near the ground. I doubt many folks could hit a body dropping at 200 fps nor give up alt just to kill a bailer at 800 ft.
Bah!
Actually that's exactly the way it was and it was fun. The score concious bailer knew that if he opened his chute too high he'd be a sitting duck. And the airplane pilot knew the risk of diving down from a furball chasing a freefalling bailer. You might be surprised at how many of use have killed freefalling bailers. They're probably easier to kill than when the chute is open because you can chase them down.
Anyway you slice it, the bailers are getting off scot free now. And the game has gotten just that much more boring and, if nothing else, less realistic.
BTW it isn't possible to kill steal buy shooting a chute pilot.
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Originally posted by Suave
Actually that's exactly the way it was and it was fun. The score concious bailer knew that if he opened his chute too high he'd be a sitting duck. And the airplane pilot knew the risk of diving down from a furball chasing a freefalling bailer. You might be surprised at how many of use have killed freefalling bailers. They're probably easier to kill than when the chute is open because you can chase them down.
Anyway you slice it, the bailers are getting off scot free now. And the game has gotten just that much more boring and, if nothing else, less realistic.
BTW it isn't possible to kill steal buy shooting a chute pilot.
Lordy if thats the main reason you have fun....ummm :confused:
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.ef is bad.
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Originally posted by Suave
You should consider bailing out.
Just don't use the .ef exploit.
You're calling it an 'exploit'? This, added to your rants in the HO thread, have convinced me you're just a troll looking for a slapfight on the BBS.
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Since there is no PW or Suave on score page.
He is either a former player turned troll or a shade tard.
Either way it's still lame.
Bronk
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When I bail, I enjoy shooting my .45 at the planes. I actually got a kill once. That was a hoot.
-SR-:aok
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I shoot every chute I see. Woe to the pilot who bails into my guns.
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Originally posted by Suave
I never thought that taking chutes out of this game would detract from it as much as it does. Bring back chutes to shoot !
Not sure if anyone posted this ... but I bet the reason it was done is many players were hitting alt-f4 instead of wasteing time floating in a chute.
If I bailed at 20k on accident I'd alt-f4 before waiting.
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ya, plus all'yall forgot that shooting chutes is :cool:...... no, not from south, just struck me as something fun to say y'all. is that spelled right?
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Was floating down in my chute last night and some guy in his/her spit opens up on me. I unloaded the 45 at them. There were no winners.
I have 21 confirmed lifetime kills while in my chute and have been killed 4 times by chutes.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Speaking as a "noob" here.... Im not sure whats wrong about bailing and exiting flight? Its the quickest way back to tower and you still get the kill credit.
Heck, ive actually bailed from a damaged, but still flyable plane in the past after a good fight, to avoid someone else stealing the kill of my adversary.
Errr.... I still dont really get it. But that might just me being blonde, so bear with me for a second please :). Why have them "fix" it over 2.5 years after the fact? Kinda baffles me.....
Any ways: I never really cared what someone did after getting shot out of his plane... so to chute or not to chute.... I dont mind :D.
The only time I bail is when someone wants help somewhere else and
it's always in a undamaged aircraft. I like .ef as it saves time from falling
into the ground :D
That aside, I'm still trying to picture Schatzi's blondness :D