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Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 01:34:06 PM
The only thing I wonder about is hiding the identity of the servicemen and servicewomen who are signing this petition.  They signed up voluntarily, they should be able to stand on their own morals afterwards :rolleyes:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003528344_iraqcong17.html

Is there a reason we have a right to face our accusers?  We should be allowed to know who petitions us as well.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Sandman on January 17, 2007, 02:02:50 PM
They aren't petitioning us. They are petitioning their elected representative.

Signing up voluntarily doesn't mean you cannot contact your congressman if you are unhappy with current political policies.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 02:13:12 PM
srry, I was refering to the anonymously signed petition, not individual americans contacting their elected reps :rolleyes:
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: indy007 on January 17, 2007, 02:19:41 PM
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Madden said he believes that the war "benefits neither the United States nor Iraq, and especially not the American military. ... If you are funding a war that puts them [U.S. troops] in harm's way, you are not supporting them."


Uhm... aren't they SUPPOSED to go in harm's way?
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Sandman on January 17, 2007, 02:21:20 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
srry, I was refering to the anonymously signed petition, not individual americans contacting their elected reps :rolleyes:


Did you even look at the petition? :rolleyes:
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 02:27:13 PM
Petition....we dont need no stEEnkin petition!  No...I just read the artical.

DiscuSS
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Skuzzy on January 17, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
Well Sandman, when you are tossing out bait, it is best to get it all out as fast as possible then go back and see what you caught.  :)
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 02:43:38 PM
hey now...Im a bz guy.....need to capitalize on my limited waste time :aok
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Skuzzy on January 17, 2007, 03:15:30 PM
Translation:  I have a finite amount of dead time available.  Tossing in more hooks should yeild higher catch levels than a single hook.  

:D
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: lasersailor184 on January 17, 2007, 03:33:52 PM
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When the campaign began three months ago, White House spokesman Tony Snow dismissed the first signatories as "65 people who are going to be able to get more press than the hundreds of thousands who have come back and said they're proud of their service."
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Eagler on January 17, 2007, 03:34:02 PM
web based junk:

As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq . Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for U.S. troops to come home.

I'm sure their login info is verified and the bogus ones deleted :lol
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Sandman on January 17, 2007, 04:08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
Petition....we dont need no stEEnkin petition!  No...I just read the artical.

DiscuSS


You read the article, pulled out one line and then jumped off the deep end... and now you want to discuss your interpretation of that one line.

Nice try.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 04:43:06 PM
signatories will not be identified publicly to protect them.
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Protect them from who?  from what?  What are they afraid of?  Are they breaking any part of the UCMJ?
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 04:44:49 PM
"We will not be silent while thousands die," said Sgt. Liam Madden, 22, an active-duty Marine and Iraq war veteran who is helping lead the effort to organize resistance to the war from inside the military.
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Oooh...theres a way to further your military career...Canada Calling!!
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 04:46:50 PM
A Pew Research Center poll released Tuesday showed that 61 percent of Americans oppose sending more troops to Iraq. Some 60 percent of Republicans support Bush's plan, and 33 percent oppose it. Among Democrats, 12 percent support it and 82 percent oppose it. Among independents, 31 percent support the plan and 62 percent oppose.
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More food for thought

We're down to 61% now.  Was over 71% last week....hmm
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Skuzzy on January 17, 2007, 04:48:37 PM
And the dish ran away with the spoon!!!!  EEEEEKK!!! :lol

Sorry, couldn't resist,
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: rpm on January 17, 2007, 05:16:29 PM
Why don't the troops in Iraq support the troops in Iraq? Amerihaters.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Dos Equis on January 17, 2007, 05:18:10 PM
Morale must be pretty low to have that happen. The generals who have opposed the strategy have mostly been replaced. The lower ranks are beginning to realize the plan is more of the same - a horrible insurgency that cannot be quelled easily and world opinion drifts farther and farther away from the US.

This is beginning to seem like the beginning to the Road Warrior, where they talk about the oil wars.

Next up: A Gulf of Tonkin or USS Liberty false flag to go hot with Iran and re-instate the draft. Look for it on a CNN near you in the weeks to come.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: john9001 on January 17, 2007, 06:03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Dos Equis
Next up: A Gulf of Tonkin or USS Liberty false flag to go hot with Iran and re-instate the draft. Look for it on a CNN near you in the weeks to come.


the liberal cabal (pelosie/biden/murtha) will never let it happen.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Cpt. Krunch on January 17, 2007, 06:20:02 PM
Of everyone in this thread, how many have been to Iraq in the last 3 Years?  I know the press is feeding you your opinions, and you can't see that.  I just returned and I'm telling you that we need to finnish this job, or we'll be going back soon, under truely defensive neccessity.  If a 22 yo marine is the best spoksman they can come up with, that says something to me.  So we get out before the job is done, But what really happens after that?  I agree that we had no buisiness going in there, but we did, And now we CAN'T get out till the job is done.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: lasersailor184 on January 17, 2007, 07:18:47 PM
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Originally posted by Dos Equis
Morale must be pretty low to have that happen. The generals who have opposed the strategy have mostly been replaced. The lower ranks are beginning to realize the plan is more of the same - a horrible insurgency that cannot be quelled easily and world opinion drifts farther and farther away from the US.


No, not even.  Even back during WW2 there were naysayers and those in the press who were invested in doom and gloom.  It was not a "Coming Together for the Common Good" paradise.  There was strife then, there is strife now.  

The difference is the distance the media could reach.  It doesn't change the fact that there were people against going to fight the germans and japanese, and there always will be people against going to fight the islamofascists.
Title: Grass roots revolt in the US military against a SURGE
Post by: Mini D on January 17, 2007, 08:47:25 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Signing up voluntarily doesn't mean you cannot contact your congressman if you are unhappy with current political policies.
Interesting way to phrase that in a manner that does not quite cover the spectacle being reported.

As a soldier, you cannot be interviewed by the media without express permission from your OIC. You cannot put on a media show in protest of a war unless you receive permission to do so. The act is punishable by courtmarshal.

This is not about contacting your congressman. This is about a media spectacle.