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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on January 17, 2007, 01:56:37 PM
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If the US were to strike at Iranian facilities then such an act would be an act of war. Would Iran declare war on the US, would the US declare war on Iran? Would pelosi call for our immediate surrender or would she wait for a public opinion poll?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/17/content_5615540.htm
What would happen?
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If US attacks Iran... get ready for all-out Jihad (TM).
At the same time China is winning hearts and minds of Africans and Latin Americans. Polls show that most Chinese think that China (mainland) will be on equal footing with the US 10-20 years from now.
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I'm still a little confused about what we might win in a war with Iran.
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I'm still a little confused about what we might win in a war with Iran.
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FrEEdom! YOu gots to fight to be frEE!
Also, I would say China is 10-20 years ahead of this nutjob country already, and breaking away fast :aok
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Nah, we're just getting ready to support Israeli strikes.
China is more than a match for the U.S. already militarily & will be more powerful economically in 10-20 years almost certainly. The only thing that will help the U.S with China is if a disease ravages their population or if China & Russia get into a war & deplete each others resources (& we stayed the heck out of it)
Chinese submarines have given us a black eye in recent years & they continue to prove that we aren't paying close enough attention to what's going on around us. If we continue to insist that we will defend Taiwan with military force & continue to keep a small military we are asking for trouble from China in the near future ( say 25 years or less )
China is more of a concern to me than any other country or terror group out there.
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I guess we better start building a defense for the mainland of America. Everyone start stocking up weapons, ammo, water, and the beer.
I truly don't think China would ever invade America, but if we do go to war, it well probably be in Taiwan and Japan, and South Korea as though those are close military bases in the region of China.
If Russia went to war with China, China would just kick Russias but in my opinion, that is on the ground war. The air war Russia would win, but on the ground, Russia still throws in poorly trained troops into conflict while the better ones stay back watching thousands of noobies come back with bandages all over them.
For a while I thought our next war would be with North Korea, but there to chicken to get there butt kicked right now. I really believe that there well be a war in Iran. I have also heard somewhere that the younger people in Iran actually like America more than their country, as in education, women rights, and more.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Nah, we're just getting ready to support Israeli strikes.
China is more than a match for the U.S. already militarily & will be more powerful economically in 10-20 years almost certainly. The only thing that will help the U.S with China is if a disease ravages their population or if China & Russia get into a war & deplete each others resources (& we stayed the heck out of it)
Chinese submarines have given us a black eye in recent years & they continue to prove that we aren't paying close enough attention to what's going on around us. If we continue to insist that we will defend Taiwan with military force & continue to keep a small military we are asking for trouble from China in the near future ( say 25 years or less )
China is more of a concern to me than any other country or terror group out there.
How is China's subs giving us a black eye? IIRC, they only have a coastal defense capability with their subs and not open water, at least not yet. Nor can they support a full scale amphibious operation that it would take to invade Taiwan. while they have made great strides in recent years updating their navy, it's still basically a coastal navy with only a few ships that are open water capable.
ack-ack
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Their blue water navy is up & running my man. They had a sub surface three miles (yes, that's 3 miles) from one of our aircraft carriers & not one of the ASW units had a clue it was there & this was just a few months ago; and that's not the first time they have done this in the past couple of years according to media reports. Three miles is well within torpedo range. Chinese modernization programs of the past have been more effective than anyone gave them credit for & for some reason they still don't take them seriously. We didn't have a clue they had launched nuclear powered submarines either & they had been at sea for years when our intelligence services figured it out.
They recently purchased three Soviet designed aircraft carriers which they say are for tourism purposes & they have no plan to operate them, but of those ships purchased, one was indeed turned into a hotel/casino type venture but the other one that had been delivered appeared to be undergoing a refit at a PLAN naval yard according to online sources I read last year. The third ship had not been delivered when I read the article but they were working on getting it ready to tow when the article was written. The author claims the PLAN have a native CV design & they purchased the old Soviet designs for reverse engineering of certain aspects that they are having difficulties with in their own design.
Are they going to field CV's in the style of the U.S.A? Probably not in the near future, but their submarine force is worldwide & capable of putting any ship in our surface fleet on the bottom. And the only place they have to concern themselves with at the moment is the area around Taiwan. Give the Chinese enough time & they are going to dominate us I'm afraid. It'd be nice if our media reported that the Chinese surfaced a submarine 100 miles from our CV with ASW forces parked above them from the get go, it'd make me feel better.
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It'll never happen. All Iranians would fight just because it's America regardless if they like their current goverenment. Wouldn't be like Iraq where you get some buy in.
Besides, the US just has to poke Isreal and they will do it for the US.
Ya, ya, do it, do it. Just do it. Come on Isreal you can do it.
:rolleyes:
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how you gona fight a war with no army? Congress will not give the money and the solders will just sign a petition not to go.
peace in our time.
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Well If China invades us, I'm running to Mexico, then Australia. Australia has no enemies (I don't know if thats true) but no one ever speaks bad about Australia.
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People wont wake up til a nuke is detonated on our own soil.
I group people who dont beleive there's a terrorist threat out there in the same category as those who dont beleive we landed on the moon.
We can't negotiate with these people.
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The U.S. is not going to war against Iran. Just won't happen. Israel might take out Iran's nuclear capability the way it did Iraq's, but even that is iffy.
Not likely Iran will doing anything stupid as long as so much U.S. power is next door in Iraq.
In spite of vicissitudes, Russia and China know it's much more profitable to just trade with the U.S. than go to war with it directly or indirectly.
The only thing Iran might listen to is a joint position by the U.S., China, and Russia. Which is not likely since Iran is too smart to upset Russia and China.
China and Taiwan eventually will reconcile similar to the Hong Kong absorption. Then it will interesting to see if China stays put or gets aggressive in seeking the additional oil it needs.
Oil and water -- they don't mix, but they will be the sources of most conflict in the 21st century.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm still a little confused about what we might win in a war with Iran.
Its in the cards. Hide your children.
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Originally posted by Halo
The U.S. is not going to war against Iran. Just won't happen. Israel might take out Iran's nuclear capability the way it did Iraq's, but even that is iffy.
Not likely Iran will doing anything stupid as long as so much U.S. power is next door in Iraq.
In spite of vicissitudes, Russia and China know it's much more profitable to just trade with the U.S. than go to war with it directly or indirectly.
The only thing Iran might listen to is a joint position by the U.S., China, and Russia. Which is not likely since Iran is too smart to upset Russia and China.
China and Taiwan eventually will reconcile similar to the Hong Kong absorption. Then it will interesting to see if China stays put or gets aggressive in seeking the additional oil it needs.
Oil and water -- they don't mix, but they will be the sources of most conflict in the 21st century.
Iran is making a heck of an effort to destabilize the iraqi govt, and force the US to withdraw. If Iran suceeds, it will be sitting on a huge pile of oil as well as controlling the govt that controls Iraqi oil. As the worlds demand for oil is soon going to outpace its supply, the cost of oil is going to soar. The plan is for Haliburton and friends to control that oil and not ayatollah and friends. We will be held over a barrel one way or the other, but massive wealth is at stake for the combatants.
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We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
but sandy, you don't want to send our children/soldiers into harms way do you? What are you, a neocon war monger?
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You guys have never bought something made in China, it tends to break after a few weeks, although I've also managed to get some quality Chinese stuff....
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
Close to 3,000 people that died on 9/11 might disagree
Terrorists have been threatening us for years. Are you proposing a "head in sand" approach?
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Originally posted by Yeager
FrEEdom! YOu gots to fight to be frEE!
I think you mean "your right to party"
-Sik Ad Rock
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
Agreed on the candy asses... But disagree on the sabre rattling.
As with any other country, america does it's own sabre rattling. However, when it comes time to actually fight, it goes running at the slightest cut.
We used to sneeze away more americans in single days of our past wars, but the minute you show a dead american on the TV screen, everyone freeks.
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
I remember when Lybia was all getting lippy back in the 80s. Khadafi was all like "Dude, the Gulf a Sydra is mine all mine!!!! muhuhuhuhhahahaha" and we were all like "Dude, whatever man." and went back to trying to solve our Rubic's Cubes.
-Sik
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Originally posted by 1K3
If US attacks Iran... get ready for all-out Jihad (TM).
I've grown tired of the term Jihad. The next time I drop a deuce, they'll have a Jihad. Maybe the next time I order Chicken Shawarma, a Jihad will break out.
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Originally posted by VooWho
I guess we better start building a defense for the mainland of America. Everyone start stocking up weapons, ammo, water, and the beer.
I truly don't think China would ever invade America, but if we do go to war, it well probably be in Taiwan and Japan, and South Korea as though those are close military bases in the region of China.
If Russia went to war with China, China would just kick Russias but in my opinion, that is on the ground war. The air war Russia would win, but on the ground, Russia still throws in poorly trained troops into conflict while the better ones stay back watching thousands of noobies come back with bandages all over them.
For a while I thought our next war would be with North Korea, but there to chicken to get there butt kicked right now. I really believe that there well be a war in Iran. I have also heard somewhere that the younger people in Iran actually like America more than their country, as in education, women rights, and more.
....and China's troops are any better than the Russian's? Give me a break. Just because they beat on Peace Loving Nepalese, does NOT make them "elite".
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
It'll never happen. All Iranians would fight just because it's America regardless if they like their current goverenment. Wouldn't be like Iraq where you get some buy in.
Besides, the US just has to poke Isreal and they will do it for the US.
Ya, ya, do it, do it. Just do it. Come on Isreal you can do it.
:rolleyes:
Actually alot of the Iranian public was pretty pro western up untill Bush's Axis of Evil speach.
The huge mistake Bush made in that speach is by naming these countries as a whole and not just singling out their governments.
Instead of saying "the governments of" he listed countries as a whole.
Sometimes its all in how you word something
The Iranians. while they may not like their government and may indeed like to see a change in leadership are still a very nationalistic people with alot ofnational pride.
It is for that reason if attacked the Iranian populace as a whole will be more then willing to fight.
Iran is one we (the US) should sit out and let someone else do the dirty work.
Unlike Iraq, attacking and controling Iran is not in our national interests.
We would be far far better off working for regime change through covert actions from within then through military action.
If you think Iraq is a bad dream. Iran would be an outright nightmare
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Originally posted by LePaul
Close to 3,000 people that died on 9/11 might disagree
An absolutely perfect illustration of my point.
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
Back in the good ole days we didn't take no sass, just dropped a nuke in their lap. Makes one nostalgic.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Well If China invades us, I'm running to Mexico, then Australia. Australia has no enemies (I don't know if thats true) but no one ever speaks bad about Australia.
Actually Indonesia hates Australia (Indonesia is the biggest muslim nation in the world). And New Zealand, hell New Zealands even invading Australia.... just at relaxed pace :D
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Originally posted by lukster
Back in the good ole days we didn't take no sass, just dropped a nuke in their lap. Makes one nostalgic.
One has to wonder...
Here's my beef. Our responses (with exception of Iraq which was just moronic) have tended to be retaliatory, measured... hell, they've been reasonable, humane even.
After 9/11 why not respond to Al Qaeda and the Taliban in a completely unreasonable and inhumane fashion. Drop a nuke on Kabul and the location of the Al Qaeda.
The message would have been loud and clear, "Do not **** with the U.S."
None of this whiny hand wringing about potential attackers. Take the punch and then hit your attacker with everything you have. Forget about conquest or nation building. Leave the target a smoking hole.
I'm fairly certain they'll understand that message.
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Originally posted by Yeager
...Also, I would say China is 10-20 years ahead of this nutjob country already, and breaking away fast :aok
:huh :O
what is it a full 1/2 of their population does not have running water, or electricity and lives basically in 3rd world conditions?
doesn't 1/2 their population also equal more than our total population?
ahead my arse
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China is poised to be the new super power,western countrys are queing up to do business with her,including are own mr Blair -not bothered about human rights abuses there then!- By the middle of this century she will be the Economic superpower,The US economy is in decline.I do worry about the future,in 1907 the future must have looked so sanguine for mankind and look what happened,God knows what this century has in store for mankind,but it does not look good.:(
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Sandy, that would never work. Targeting the actual terrorists is not how to win the war on terror. You have to invade a random Arab country and create new terrorists.
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Originally posted by Sandman
None of this whiny hand wringing about potential attackers. Take the punch and then hit your attacker with everything you have. Forget about conquest or nation building. Leave the target a smoking hole.
How politically incorrect of you; I happen to agree. :)
When did this "we'll rebuild it better than it was" version of warfare start anway?
Romans/Carthage.... now there's a model to emulate.
Followed by your Dad's warning..."Now don't make me come back in here".
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Originally posted by Toad
Romans/Carthage.... now there's a model to emulate.
Followed by your Dad's warning..."Now don't make me come back in here".
Bingo. At its height, no one dared assault a citizen of Rome.
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Buy salt mine stocks. ;)
Although they probably didn't salt the fields of Carthage.. salt was high dollar back then and it would have taken a bunch.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
doesn't 1/2 their population also equal more than our total population?
ahead my arse
1/4
# China - 1,313,973,713
# India - 1,095,351,995
# United States - 298,444,215 (as of Nov. 2006 - 300,176,035)
# Indonesia - 245,452,739
# Brazil - 188,078,227
# Pakistan - 165,803,560
# Bangladesh - 147,365,352
# Russia - 142,893,540
# Nigeria - 131,859,731
# Japan - 127,463,611
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I was curious as to this spy plane story when I saw it on drudge and followed the links. Consider the sources. Somebody find some reliable sources please.
Sub surfaced within 3 miles of a USA CV? Pretty stupid sub tactics. Why the hell surface?
Spy plane drone shot down?
Maybe the bat boy is in Iran as well. Maybe we can send the chupacabra to Iran? There will be an Elvis sighting in Iran soon....just wait. Where's my latest edition of Weekly World News?
This whole thread is pretty humorous.
Next headline....
"Iranian President Contracts Mangina on Lower Limb"
:lol
"Actually alot of the Iranian public was pretty pro western up untill Bush's Axis of Evil speach."
It's amazing the degree of geopolitical expertise that one encounters on forums. The Texas Fishing Forum off topic area is actually worse.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
....and China's troops are any better than the Russian's? Give me a break. Just because they beat on Peace Loving Nepalese, does NOT make them "elite".
I don't know Masherbrum, these guys look pretty tough the PLA (Peoples Liberation Army) compared to the Russians.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/ChineseArmyspecial1lg.jpg)
(http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/reuters_molt/2337233843.jpg)
Both look tough, and both Armies do have its poorly trained, and equiped troops. I still think China would win ground war, but then again, the Russians do have a better Armord Forces. Its a stalmate.
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Here is a picture of Chinese troops capturing supected terroists in a joint-anti terroism military exercise between the Pakistan and China border. Now these guys are good at taking down the enemy with out firing a round.
(http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&/images3/afghanistan/chinese_soldiers.jpe)
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Those Chinese dudes from left to right....
1. Hope I look like Vin Diesel in some cool movie. Chicks will sure dig this photo.
2. He said to do what?
3. Ohhh my head hurts. I don't feel well.
4. Whatever you say comrade boss. I ready.
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Question regarding China...
Anyone down to trade Taiwan for Korea, and China gets to keep both so long as they help with the latter?
Really I don't see a major problem brewing with China militarily. They seem to have found an appreciation for money, and wars tend to make you lose that.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Would pelosi call for our immediate surrender or would she wait for a public opinion poll?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/17/content_5615540.htm
What would happen?
No, after bush invaded Iran and screwed it up as we are used to seeing, she would call for the invasion of Lichtenstein.
shamus
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hmmmm i don't know if Taiwai is as independent as it used to be. Taiwan is basically the new "Sillicon Valley" for PRC.
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This applies and explains it basically....
http://www.endofworld.net/
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Originally posted by Shamus
the invasion of Lichtenstein.
Nope. Not Pelosi, but it is on the neo-con radar.
Bizarre Times,
hap
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the neocons are out, the anti-war liberals are in , there will be peace in our time. yea, no more war.
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Is letting yourself be distracted into smack talk, slander and similar BS, rather than seeing your solution to a given problem through to its end, the republican equivalent to democrat hand-wringing?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually alot of the Iranian public was pretty pro western up untill Bush's Axis of Evil speach.
Thousands of Iranian people marched in the streets with candles and stuff to support of the US after 911, then our politicians took over and did the only thing they're good at; screw things up.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Thousands of Iranian people marched in the streets with candles and stuff to support of the US after 911, then our politicians took over and did the only thing they're good at; screw things up.
The young population of Iran gives me the only hope I have for the Middle East.
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Originally posted by Slash27
The young population of Iran gives me the only hope I have for the Middle East.
Lets just hope they get the correct impression of the west and our "values", and not the impression that the west hates them, their religion ant think they are "evil".
Let the middle-east fix itself. The west should not stick its head in the sand and think it can fix things over there.
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Originally posted by Slash27
The young population of Iran gives me the only hope I have for the Middle East.
To bad they are repressed as are Chinas youth and are a non issue ..
sry, but if we do not take care of Iran via Iraq, Iran will take care of us in time ..
the difference being they are much more patient than we "30 minute sitcom and it better be over" mentality Americans .. heck the cheekboness take more time to PLAN a single terrorist attack than the average joe wants his country to fight and win an entire WAR!
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Originally posted by Eagler
To bad they are repressed as are Chinas youth and are a non issue ..
sry, but if we do not take care of Iran via Iraq, Iran will take care of us in time ..
the difference being they are much more patient than we "30 minute sitcom and it better be over" mentality Americans .. heck the cheekboness take more time to PLAN a single terrorist attack than the average joe wants his country to fight and win an entire WAR!
How do you kill an ideology, anger and a mentality by warfare?
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you kill it before it kills you
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how?
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much the same way we did germany/japan but it will have to be on a larger scale .. no, it will not be pretty or pc if it is to succeed
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One big flaw with that plan. Radical muslims are not confined to sertain countries. Germany and Japan are complety different than the radical muslim terrorists.
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very true - that is why we start with the head of the snake today - Iran
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
Sorry, couldn't resist! :p
(http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/12431.jpg)
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Originally posted by Eagler
very true - that is why we start with the head of the snake today - Iran
But is Iran the real head, or is it with the president and priests only the head that sticks out? ;)
What happens when that visible head is taken down and made into martyrs. Wont the body of the snake contiunue to grow and move in a less predictable way?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Wont the body of the snake contiunue to grow and move in a less predictable
way?
larger bombs ... like I said it ain't going to be pretty
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Nah, we're just getting ready to support Israeli strikes.
China is more than a match for the U.S. already militarily & will be more powerful economically in 10-20 years almost certainly. The only thing that will help the U.S with China is if a disease ravages their population or if China & Russia get into a war & deplete each others resources (& we stayed the heck out of it)
Chinese submarines have given us a black eye in recent years & they continue to prove that we aren't paying close enough attention to what's going on around us. If we continue to insist that we will defend Taiwan with military force & continue to keep a small military we are asking for trouble from China in the near future ( say 25 years or less )
China is more of a concern to me than any other country or terror group out there.
China will not attack taiwan...ever.
China plays tough with Taiwan so that other areas in southern and western China don't get some foolish notion and strive for independence. Making an example of their oldest son helps keep the younger sons in line.
Taiwan has had its own independence for decades. China threatening Taiwan is nothing more than saber rattling.
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Originally posted by Eagler
much the same way we did germany/japan but it will have to be on a larger scale .. no, it will not be pretty or pc if it is to succeed
With our inept politicians in charge, it will be PC, and will fail. We have the best military in the world tethered to a .gov too inept to manage it.
Most of these people we elect are not in "leadership" because they have any ability to lead, or because they have a clue, they get where they are by being good fund raisers, having snazzy tv commercials... and generally being good party hacks who repeat the same stale party ideals that rahh rahh the base...
These people are far from the greatest minds in the nation, and the results of gov waged wars on drugs and gangs will be the template of failure for the war on terror; a bloated expensive waste of time, lives and energy.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sorry, couldn't resist! :p
(http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/12431.jpg)
"Our side," huh?
There's so much left out it boggles the imagination.
Bizarre Times,
hap
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Wasn't too long ago the pelosi gang was saying "of course, we needed to fix what we broke in Iraq". Was a big mantra for the then minority democrats. Now it sure sounds like "get out now while we can, thats what the american people elected us to do" which begs me to ask ...then what?
I would think that with the investiment in blood we had a reason to prevail militarily and nationally, and with the investment economically, in money and a stake in the worlds 2nd largest oil reserve, we had a stake financially.
What are the democrats, pelosis gang of madhatters, going to do to fix this strategic national blunder then? retreat and leave the situation ready to explode for Iran and Syria to exploit? What will become of the moderate arabs states if the half the worlds remaining oil fields falls under the mantle of islamic extremism.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Wasn't too long ago the pelosi gang was saying "of course, we needed to fix what we broke in Iraq". Was a big mantra for the then minority democrats. Now it sure sounds like "get out now while we can, thats what the american people elected us to do" which begs me to ask ...then what?
then the 3000 plus soldiers died for nothing
the dems start to dismantle the military er I mean "reduce the size of government" as was done in the 90's
we suffer another attack on our soil
and the cycle starts over again ...
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Is anyone old enough to recall bomb shelters, Bay of Pigs, and down the line?
I just shake my head at the genral line of thoughless opinion that runs, "make 'em all (like the whole world) scared stiff of us" and "kill 'em all and let God sort them out."
Granted, what I stated above I've not read some say seriously. But still, the general line of thought runs that way.
If there be a great accomplishment during my lifetime besides Wal-Mart, is that we have not had nukes going off every 3 to 10 years someplace. And I'm not talking about testing either.
Regards,
hap
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
China will not attack taiwan...ever. China threatening Taiwan is nothing more than saber rattling.
I pray to God you're right. But I don't think you are. It's my opinion (only an opinion nothing more) that China is simply biding it's time & is preparing to strike when the time is right.
They are known for their patience & they know they get stronger everyday & we get weaker. They know they can take Taiwan & lose 100,000 men doing it & not even think twice about those losses. We would recoil in horror at the loss of one CV & crew. They also know that it wouldn't go any further than that & we would not declare war on mainland China, the combat would be isolated to the land mass of Taiwan & it's surrounding waters. All they have to do is wait, the opportunity will present itself to take the island by force if they can't pressure Taiwan to re-unite on their own.
China doesn't want to destroy Taiwan, because they are all about making money right now as one of the other posters mentioned & Taiwan would be a huge boon for them as Hong Kong was, that cash will stay their ambitions for a while but I fear eventually it will become the driving factor instead of the limiting one.
I know, crystal ball nut job theory but I see the warning signs & have been seeing them for 20 years.
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Originally posted by Sandman
We've become a nation of candy tulips that quake in fear whenever some third world crackpot rattles his sabre.
It's pathetic.
Fear is what makes a 19 dollar per barrel of oil into a 70 dollar per barrel of oil.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm still a little confused about what we might win in a war with Iran.
OMG don't make statements like that until the next presidential election! the current administration might bomb your house for that.
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Originally posted by Hap
If there be a great accomplishment during my lifetime besides Wal-Mart, is that we have not had nukes going off every 3 to 10 years someplace.
which IMO will be the case if Iran continues its nuke development
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Fear is what makes a 19 dollar per barrel of oil into a 70 dollar per barrel of oil.
Don't confuse economics with fear. ;)
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China, while a very manpower strong force, does not have the ability to express that force long distance. Their weakness is also the loss of petroleum. If their fuel supplies were blocked they would be severely crippled in maintaining anything, even foot infantry, over any length of time.
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The Saudis will continue to drive oil lower and support the dollar which equals economic doom for Iran ----
If the Chinaman is gonna take over the world, he better get it done in the next 20 years cause after that, they are done - do a little research on demographics over there. They know they have a window of time and that is the scary part.
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Originally posted by Hap
If there be a great accomplishment during my lifetime besides Wal-Mart,
:huh
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Originally posted by Eagler
which IMO will be the case if Iran continues its nuke development
That is your opinion. Ok, but what facts do you base that opinion on?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
:huh
My attempt at dark humor.
hap
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Originally posted by Viking
That is your opinion. Ok, but what facts do you base that opinion on?
the Iranian agenda as it applies to the US and Israel as pronounced by the Iranian president over and over again. you do the google search.
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
The Saudis will continue to drive oil lower and support the dollar which equals economic doom for Iran ----
if true, would mean the Saudis need to watch their backs as they would be even a larger target for acts of Iranian desperation.
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Originally posted by Eagler
the Iranian agenda as it applies to the US and Israel as pronounced by the Iranian president over and over again. you do the google search.
I don't need to. You obviously made the mistake of believing Iran's political rhetoric. Do you always believe political speeches? Would explain a lot.
A couple of things for you to ponder:
1. How many times did the Soviets say they were going to destroy us, and how many times did they actually do it?
2. Iran has missiles that can reach Israel right now, and they have WMD right now. How many times have they actually attacked Israel?
Believing that a politician's intentions are the same as what he advocates is the ultimate in naïveté.
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Viking
Iran will not do anything directly. They have killed thousands of our soldiers in Iraq already. This is unlike the cold war as we knew who to retaliate against. The cheekbones in Iran is a cheekbones of the 1st order. He will have others do his dirty work as soon as he has the means to be sure the job is done correctly. To underestimate his madness will lead to our doom. That is what the dems are in the process of doing ..
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Iran has fought a proxy war with Israel for a very long time through their support of the Hezbollah. They've even given them advanced anti-ship missiles as the recent war in Lebanon showed, and Hezbollah has been lobbing rockets into Israel for ages. However how many times have they provided Hezbollah with the nerve gas or bio-weapons that we know Iran possesses? None. Why do you think they would give them even more powerful weapons?
"To underestimate his madness will lead to our doom." His madness? You think him insane? Let me guess … you base this psychological "evaluation" on his political rhetoric as well?
If I thought as you do I would think Bush an idiot. I do not.
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nerve gas is not a nuke
I think they will give them nukes when they can and when the time is right
gas/bio weapons would result in a counter-punch
a nuke or nukes in the right place at the right time probably would not
yes - I think he is insane as I do anyone who publicly states the holocaust never happened
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think they will give them nukes when they can and when the time is right
And I guess we should go to war just on your gut feeling? I think that would be insane.
Originally posted by Eagler
yes - I think he is insane as I do anyone who publicly states the holocaust never happened
Ah, so anyone who believes in a "conspiracy theory" is insane? I guess back in 2003 you thought everyone who didn't believe Iraq had WMD were also insane? … Or perhaps you guys were insane to actually believe it?
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never stated we should go to war on my gut feeling .. the facts tell me we should smash Iran while we still can
yes, most conspiracy ppl are more than slightly off .. but I do not think not believing in the deaths of millions of Jewish ppl by the nazis qualifies as a "conspiracy theory". Those ppl to me are out and out nuts.
Iraq was the right move at the right time. If we leave the area before the job is done, future generations will suffer for our short sightedness
time will tell ... hope we are both around for one of us to tell the other:
"I told you so"
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check the latest news, the real leader of Iran, komansomethingorother, who is the reglious leader of Iran told ajsomething who is the president of Iran and has no real power to STFU about the nuke thing.
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Originally posted by Eagler
the facts tell me we should smash Iran while we still can
What facts would that be I wonder?
Originally posted by Eagler
yes, most conspiracy ppl are more than slightly off .. but I do not think not believing in the deaths of millions of Jewish ppl by the nazis qualifies as a "conspiracy theory". Those ppl to me are out and out nuts.
And why is that. You only know the Holocaust happened because our history says it happened. Few people are alive today that lived back then … even fewer that actually witnessed it. The Iranian history books say the Holocaust is a Zionist conspiracy to gather sympathy and support for Israel. I'm sure many Iranians would think you insane for believing such a farfetched conspiracy.
I don't think the Iranian President believes the Holocaust didn't happen, but I do think he's milking the conspiracy theory for all its worth to gather support from his own people.
Originally posted by Eagler
Iraq was the right move at the right time. If we leave the area before the job is done, future generations will suffer for our short sightedness
Future generations will suffer for your shortsightedness period. The planning and implementation of your occupation of Iraq was shortsighted in the extreme. Iraq is already a disaster.
Originally posted by Eagler
time will tell ... hope we are both around for one of us to tell the other:
"I told you so"
You and me both sir.
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Originally posted by Viking
Future generations will suffer for your shortsightedness period. The planning and implementation of your occupation of Iraq was shortsighted in the extreme. Iraq is already a disaster.
correction, Iraq was a disaster under saddam, it is now on it's way to healing in spite of you naysayers. Future generations of Iraqs will build a statue of boosh in honor of their freedom.
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Originally posted by john9001
correction, Iraq was a disaster under saddam, it is now on it's way to healing in spite of you naysayers. Future generations of Iraqs will build a statue of boosh in honor of their freedom.
Now THERE's insanity! ;)
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damm, viking, we can't agree on anything. :D
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Nope :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Don't confuse economics with fear. ;)
Lack of fear, with a new congress, is what makes a 75 Dollar barrel of oil into a 50 dollar barrel of oil in 2 months. Read and learn. The fear factor in economics.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Wasn't too long ago the pelosi gang was saying "of course, we needed to fix what we broke in Iraq". Was a big mantra for the then minority democrats. Now it sure sounds like "get out now while we can, thats what the american people elected us to do" which begs me to ask ...then what?
I would think that with the investiment in blood we had a reason to prevail militarily and nationally, and with the investment economically, in money and a stake in the worlds 2nd largest oil reserve, we had a stake financially.
What are the democrats, pelosis gang of madhatters, going to do to fix this strategic national blunder then? retreat and leave the situation ready to explode for Iran and Syria to exploit? What will become of the moderate arabs states if the half the worlds remaining oil fields falls under the mantle of islamic extremism.
What is your plan? I think the democrats are just mirroring the opinion of the public. Bush and cheney are in no way shape or form competant enough to run any military, much less the most dangerous military on the planet.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
What is your plan? I think the democrats are just mirroring the opinion of the public.
a public brainwashed into thinking Iraq is unwinnable, Iran is not a threat, there is no war on terrorism and 3000 US kids died in Iraq for oil ....
to bad the media doesn't show & and the left ignores for its own agenda, the truth about Iraq which is imo Iran, the world war against the islamic cheekbones by us and our partners who do not want to see iran and its minons grow any stronger as they know it is the death of them and thier culture. listening to the news one would think it is the US and blair against planet earth ...
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Originally posted by Eagler
iran and its minons grow any stronger
I wish you guys were alive when Nikita K. pounded on the UN lectern with his shoe saying "we will bury you."
Regards,
hap
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repeat::
check the latest news, the real leader of Iran, komansomethingorother, who is the reglious leader of Iran told ajsomething who is the president of Iran and has no real power to STFU about the nuke thing.
some of you worry too much.
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Originally posted by Eagler
a public brainwashed into thinking Iraq is unwinnable, Iran is not a threat, there is no war on terrorism and 3000 US kids died in Iraq for oil ....
to bad the media doesn't show & and the left ignores for its own agenda, the truth about Iraq which is imo Iran, the world war against the islamic cheekbones by us and our partners who do not want to see iran and its minons grow any stronger as they know it is the death of them and thier culture. listening to the news one would think it is the US and blair against planet earth ...
Iran not a threat? Tell that to the citizens of Israel. No war on terrorism? whatever, 3000 kids died in Iraq for oil? ok that one I have to agree with you on.
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Originally posted by Eagler
a public brainwashed into thinking Iraq is unwinnable, Iran is not a threat, there is no war on terrorism and 3000 US kids died in Iraq for oil ....
to bad the media doesn't show & and the left ignores for its own agenda, the truth about Iraq which is imo Iran, the world war against the islamic cheekbones by us and our partners who do not want to see iran and its minons grow any stronger as they know it is the death of them and thier culture. listening to the news one would think it is the US and blair against planet earth ...
Dont you think Bush should step up and explain the truth about Iraq instead of leaving it up to the Media and the left? He gets all the air time he wants.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Lets just hope they get the correct impression of the west and our "values"".
i hope you dont mean this BBS, after all the "love-iran" threads some
wise guys wrote here the few past weeks ;)
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Originally posted by Hap
I wish you guys were alive when Nikita K. pounded on the UN lectern with his shoe saying "we will bury you."
Regards,
hap
I was alive and though the Soviet Union is no longer it's gifts to us keep on giving and giving.
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Lukster,
Keeps on giving, huh? Maybe in the worst way possible too. My point was many thought war and possible annihilation was envitable. Certainly probable for sure.
Things change. Usually for the worse unfortunately, but here and there some improvement occurs.
Nonetheless, K's speech scared many. Russia was very scary. Iran and Iraq is scary like the crazy man is scary. Hopefully with no Russian plutonium floating about.
A Rum Deal,
hap
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Originally posted by Halo
The U.S. is not going to war against Iran. Just won't happen. Israel might take out Iran's nuclear capability the way it did Iraq's, but even that is iffy.
Btw it was Iran who provided Israel the recon data needed for their strike against the Iraqi nuclear reactor. Iranians had already done two strikes against the reactor site earlier.
The whole Israel attack was based on Iranian intel and recon photos. Could Israel get the needed information this time, if they would like to do a strike? What route would they take?
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Originally posted by Eagler
Viking
Iran will not do anything directly. ..
The bible shows clear , in the prophecy of Ezekiel 38-39 :> Russia, Iran and Certain Arab / North African Nations will Attack Israel,
this 2600 years old prophecy has the most accurate description, of the sides involved, It didn't hapened yet, should come soon after the rebirth of the Jewish state ,
Eze 38:1 And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying,
Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:3 and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords;
Eze 38:5 Persia, Cush, and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet
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Rosch,Meshech were the old names of the today russian/turkish teritories
Persia/iran is clear mentioned above
Russians are building the nuclear reactor: last week they sold to Iran AA Tor missiles, soo i belive they can get involved against Israel or U.S
I found the books below wandering in WallMart last few months , are fresh and a tasty coktail of biblical prophecies seen through the the present international situation...and after i read them, i think something big dirty mess is going to hapen very soon,
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doctus cum libro elucubration
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I wonder who is the more insane: The Arabs and Persians spouting "prophecy" or the westerners spouting "prophecy"?