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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on January 18, 2007, 12:26:32 PM
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Do any of you live in an area where you actually have to be concerned about protection from dangerous animals? Even near densely populated areas in Northern Virginia, some are concerned about black bear.
I saw a guy in a gun shop last year who was buying a 12-gauge coach shotgun for his wife because after he left for work in the morning, she was concerned about bear near their mountain home when she went out to her car.
Rarely happens around here, but in more isolated areas of the state there have been a couple deaths from black bear, so her concern is warranted.
I don't hike that far anymore, but when I used to in deep woods, I felt much better with my .357 revolver on my hip. One time I came across a woman on the opposite side of a creek who was running a big pack of big hounds. Had nothing with me but a hiking stick and a ka-bar knife, and fortunately no problem, but definitely don't like going into isolated areas without some protection.
So the question is, Are you concerned about any dangerous animals in your area, and if so, what protection measures do you use? I'm thinking of bears, wolves, coyotes, stray dogs, cougars, maybe even wolverines.
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Mountain lion a-plenty around here. They have attacked lone hikers and sometimes stragglers in a group. I make sure my dog is with me. That's about it.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Mountain lion a-plenty around here. They have attacked lone hikers and sometimes stragglers in a group. I make sure my dog is with me. That's about it.
Same. One was seen jumping the neighbors fence last year. 4 years ago a boy was near the green belt and was "growled" at by an unseen cougar hidden in the thick brush on the green belt. (Game dept confirmed it by the paw prints when it was reported).
I have weapons ready to shoot one if they come into my acre. When the kids are outside, there is always an adult with them. Having a dog that craps on the property line of the green belt pretty much keeps the Cougs away too. They're deathly afraid of dogs since you're allowed to use dogs to track them when hunting cougar.
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mT, is your dog a match for a mountain lion (recalling the famous clip of mule stomping a cougar, but uncertain how alive the cougar was before the mule got it)?
Rip, I can see a mountain lion equating a pack of dogs with danger, but single dogs? I would think most cougars could easily take most dogs individually.
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Black bears aren't so bad. I'm more concerned about deer ticks and mosquitoes in the warmer months..oh, well yeah, and bears in the spring, moose or elk in the fall.
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While not dangerous, per se, they are really freaky looking.
They schlump up and down the street with thier paws dragging the ground in the pockets of pants which has the crotch near the top of thier ankles.
They also like to freeze in the middle of the road, in front of you, while you are driving, as if it dare you to hit them.
They have poor vision due to the very stiff hair they keep in thier eyes. Seems to be some type of gel they excrete to keep thier hair protected.
And they are very pale. As if they have been underground all thier lives. Might explain why they freeze when they see a car.
Oh yeah,..goths. Odd critters.
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Originally posted by Halo
mT, is your dog a match for a mountain lion (recalling the famous clip of mule stomping a cougar, but uncertain how alive the cougar was before the mule got it)?
Rip, I can see a mountain lion equating a pack of dogs with danger, but single dogs? I would think most cougars could easily take most dogs individually.
Sure, but they get scent of their crap way before they see them. Pavlov's theory kicks in, but instead of salivating, they run the other way. :) That's what the Game Warden told us. They're hunted around these parts, sometimes you can hear the dogs barking in the distance when a hunter is on the chase in the White River valley if the wind is blowing just right.
The state made hunting with dogs illegal for a couple years. Cougar population boomed,cougar attacks picked up quite a bit on trail-savvy tree-huggers, so the re-implemented the right to hunt with dogs. :)
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Not much in Denver itself, but they do get bears raiding trash cans in Boulder a lot from what I hear. Lots of warnings to citizens about securing their trash.
I did see a Fox running across campus last week though, and I go up to the mountains a lot where there are bears, mountain lions, rabid chipmunks and lesbians.
Oh my!
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
While not dangerous, per se, they are really freaky looking.
They schlump up and down the street with thier paws dragging the ground in the pockets of pants which has the crotch near the top of thier ankles.
They also like to freeze in the middle of the road, in front of you, while you are driving, as if it dare you to hit them.
They have poor vision due to the very stiff hair they keep in thier eyes. Seems to be some type of gel they excrete to keep thier hair protected.
And they are very pale. As if they have been underground all thier lives. Might explain why they freeze when they see a car.
Oh yeah,..goths. Odd critters.
:rofl :aok
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You guys are good. :D Goths and lezzies and the thread just started.
Just shows to go ya, in most situations few things are as helpful as a sense of humor.
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Big dogs roaming the nieghborhood worries me more. Had one growl at my daughter a while back. The next time I see the dog, it will be a dead dog.
Lambo
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There was a threat of bears at the construction site. The largest bear ever killed in PA was killed on the property.
We kept a .38 Spcl by us at all times. I personally had a huge kabar. That bear might take me, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to get him in return.
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Originally posted by Halo
mT, is your dog a match for a mountain lion (recalling the famous clip of mule stomping a cougar, but uncertain how alive the cougar was before the mule got it)?
Rip, I can see a mountain lion equating a pack of dogs with danger, but single dogs? I would think most cougars could easily take most dogs individually.
My dog would probably 1st attempt to play with the mountain lion, followed by licking it to death then maybe he would run around looking for a stick that the mountain lion could throw.
Fortunately the lion doesn't know this.
lions are ambushers mostly. It would be harder for them to sneek up on a dog, plus they just don't like 'em.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
While not dangerous, per se, they are really freaky looking.
They schlump up and down the street with thier paws dragging the ground in the pockets of pants which has the crotch near the top of thier ankles.
They also like to freeze in the middle of the road, in front of you, while you are driving, as if it dare you to hit them.
They have poor vision due to the very stiff hair they keep in thier eyes. Seems to be some type of gel they excrete to keep thier hair protected.
And they are very pale. As if they have been underground all thier lives. Might explain why they freeze when they see a car.
Oh yeah,..goths. Odd critters.
I take offense to this. It's not that they dare you, it's that they just don't care if you do.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
While not dangerous, per se, they are really freaky looking.
They schlump up and down the street with thier paws dragging the ground in the pockets of pants which has the crotch near the top of thier ankles.
They also like to freeze in the middle of the road, in front of you, while you are driving, as if it dare you to hit them.
They have poor vision due to the very stiff hair they keep in thier eyes. Seems to be some type of gel they excrete to keep thier hair protected.
And they are very pale. As if they have been underground all thier lives. Might explain why they freeze when they see a car.
Oh yeah,..goths. Odd critters.
What are my kids doing in Texas???????:huh
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
There was a threat of bears at the construction site. The largest bear ever killed in PA was killed on the property.
We kept a .38 Spcl by us at all times. I personally had a huge kabar. That bear might take me, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to get him in return.
Make sure you bring some gel with you, so it doesn't hurt so much when the bear takes that .38 and shoves it up your #$%.
that handgun will not stop a predatory bear.
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Originally posted by Phaser11
What are my kids doing in Texas???????:huh
I dunno, but I wish you would come get them. I am getting tired of having to clean my tires of the gook dripping from the mooks.
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Mook gook, damn them!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My dog would probably 1st attempt to play with the mountain lion, followed by licking it to death then maybe he would run around looking for a stick that the mountain lion could throw.
Fortunately the lion doesn't know this.
lions are ambushers mostly. It would be harder for them to sneek up on a dog, plus they just don't like 'em.
:rofl
I'd bet good money your dog would start barking like you've never heard before if you got anywhere close to a bear or cougar.
There's been a bunch of construction in my town lately, and that means a lot less wilderness, which in turn means a lot more bears (which still isn't saying much). Every so often every single dog on the street will go crazy, and sure enough, the next day one of the neighbors will relate how they saw a bear in their yard.
I always feel pretty comfortable walking with a stick and a dog. I figure that's all we had to begin with, and we got here with it.
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Originally posted by Vudak
:rofl
I'd bet good money your dog would start barking like you've never heard before if you got anywhere close to a bear or cougar.
There's been a bunch of construction in my town lately, and that means a lot less wilderness, which in turn means a lot more bears (which still isn't saying much). Every so often every single dog on the street will go crazy, and sure enough, the next day one of the neighbors will relate how they saw a bear in their yard.
I always feel pretty comfortable walking with a stick and a dog. I figure that's all we had to begin with, and we got here with it.
Fire helped too. :) A burning stick was sure to frighten any predator.
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I dunno, but I wish you would come get them. I am getting tired of having to clean my tires of the gook dripping from the mooks.
Damn you Skuzzy I near wet myself.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Oh, I know. At very least I'll be taking the bear's balls with me. He may get me, but at least I make sure the "Mean Mother****er" gene won 't get passed on.
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You know what the difference between Black Bear Scat and Grizzly Bear scat is?
Grizzly Bear scat has bells in it and smells like pepper :)
RTR
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Sometimes we get white-trash-meth-heads that still have most of their teeth that come around from time to time.
I don't usually worry about them when they've lost their teeth but there have been more and more with most of their teeth intact.
I've become accustomed to wearing my Browning Hi-Power Nine on my hip* around the house. Sometime with clothes on also.
Every now and then I have to squeeze a few shots at them to remind that I am dangerous too. I don't really want to kill them (JB88 would be pretty upset I shot one for fun) so I just pop a few rounds next to them. That seems to keep them away from the kids in the front yard for a couple of months. But you know how those wild critters can be.
* I bought a gunslinger holster in a pawn shop once. Looks cool (especially with my cowboy hat), draws like **** since the Browning doesn't fit correctly in it.
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What I'm hearing is most Aces Highers around the world either are not near dangerous animal-animals or already have been eaten.
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around here he have the occasional alligator that nail canepole fisherman sitting on upturned 5 gallon buckets while eating KFC and tossing them bones into the water as chum. one recently bagged a female jogger but I betcha she jogging fairly slowly. the deadly creature I fear the most attacks me when I'm playing AH, she gets me shot down.
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Mountain lions were a threat while I was growing up in So. Calif., but the biggest threats were rattlesnakes. They were quite literally all over the place where I grew up. An F-14 wrecked a few miles from my house and they found over 300 dead snakes in the burn area.
We'd go camping and scorpions were a bit of a problem out there. Camping out on Catalina Island, wild pigs could be a problem if they thought you were in their way.
Out in TX, wild boars can be an issue if you happen to walk along next to certain rivers...
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Originally posted by storch
around here he have the occasional alligator that nail canepole fisherman sitting on upturned 5 gallon buckets while eating KFC and tossing them bones into the water as chum. one recently bagged a female jogger but I betcha she jogging fairly slowly. the deadly creature I fear the most attacks me when I'm playing AH, she gets me shot down.
Ahhhhh!~ Wife ack~ how could I have forgotten that! It's probably that my fear factor is so high I've managed to subdue the horrible feelings!
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Just learn jujitsu....
May 26, 1996
PORT ANGELES - Of all the humans the cougar could have attacked Friday, it had the rotten luck to tangle with Phil Anderson, dog wrestler, jujitsu fan.
"I went to my back, wrapped my legs around him, rolled over and mounted him and started choking him, choking him forever," Anderson said Saturday. "It was just nuts."
Anderson, 28, a Port Angeles mountain bike enthusiast, spent Saturday on the couch, healing from the cougar attack in Olympic National Park.
He had been riding his mountain bike on the Wolf Creek Trail Friday afternoon.... (edit)
When the cat came at him, he started running backwards, he said. He figured the cougar weighed about 80 pounds. The cougar kept coming, then leapt at Anderson's chest. Anderson fell to his back, locked his legs around the cougar, flipped over and buried his thumbs in the animal's throat. He kept the front paws pinned back with his forearms, he said. He had the cat pretty much subdued, but it wouldn't die. "I was watching him go in and out," Anderson said. "We were at a stalemate." To his surprise, the cat made no noise while it struggled, Anderson said. He, however, was shouting for help.After about two and a half or three minutes, the cat still wriggling, Anderson got his thumb in the cougar's mouth. He just smashed it," Anderson said.
That gave the cat the edge. As Anderson lost his grip, that cat's claws went into a whirl, ripping at the thick, baggy sweatshirt. Some of the claws caught Anderson's chest. "He put a lot more holes in my sweatshirt than he did in me," Anderson said.
Not wanting any more, the combatants exploded away from each other and ran. Anderson ran down the trail, grabbed a baseball bat in his van and returned for his bike. The cat had stuck around, still looking for food. "He carried off my bag with four peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in it," Anderson said. It was the end of Anderson's first cougar sighting.
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And he has some other skills that prepared him for cougar fighting, he said. "I've been doing this jujitsu dog thing." While unemployed last winter, he spent a lot of time wrestling with a 120-pound German Shepherd named Forest, who was named for the trees.
Forest, who loves to wrestle, has been getting a taste of jujitsu, too. Anderson employs a move he picked up from "ultimate fighting," a new anything-goes sport in which people fight without gloves. ...(edit)
"Hopefully, he may have turned the cougar off from hunting humans," he said. Gissell said he looked over the fight scene and found cougar tracks and signs of a struggle.
He also learned, through Anderson's admission, that Anderson was riding on a trail where bikes are forbidden.The fine is $50. However, Gissel let the injured wrestler off the hook. "The cougar was his warning," he said.
of course, the probable story is that this dude just augered in his mountain bike and needed a good story....
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we have skeeters as big as bears and mountain lions, does that count?
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Originally posted by Halo
mT, is your dog a match for a mountain lion (recalling the famous clip of mule stomping a cougar, but uncertain how alive the cougar was before the mule got it)?
Rip, I can see a mountain lion equating a pack of dogs with danger, but single dogs? I would think most cougars could easily take most dogs individually.
Yeah, but dogs naturally run in packs, I figure a mt lion would know this (they are very well read ;) ). Where theres one there are surely more.
So Cal (Kern Cty / Bakersfield area) in my youth:
Hunting around lots of big black bears, but never saw one, just fresh tracks and other "sign". Coyotes would often ring the house (they do that here in Arkansas too).
Here in Arkansas, we got black bears too. mt lions are officially non-existant here, but there a few around and seem to migrate through annually. Wild hogs, copperheads and other snakes (had one get in the house a couple of years ago), big waterhead pitbulls are popular with the local meth heads. I have guns. :D
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
Yeah, but dogs naturally run in packs, I figure a mt lion would know this (they are very well read ;) ). Where theres one there are surely more.
So Cal (Kern Cty / Bakersfield area) in my youth:
Hunting around lots of big black bears, but never saw one, just fresh tracks and other "sign". Coyotes would often ring the house (they do that here in Arkansas too).
Here in Arkansas, we got black bears too. mt lions are officially non-existant here, but there a few around and seem to migrate through annually. Wild hogs, copperheads and other snakes (had one get in the house a couple of years ago), big waterhead pitbulls are popular with the local meth heads. I have guns. :D
I gotta call BS. the public edumaction system in california can barely teach humans to read (call lazs exihibit "A"). there is absolutely no way a so cal mountain lion learned to read in california. now the florida panther might be an exception. those california ones? not a chance.
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with all the tree huggers in CA throwing money at the animals, the Cougars here can afford a private school education.
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Plus mt lions gossip. A lot. They just seem to "know things".
My Dad responded to a call of a mt lion wandering on a freeway. He tried to herd it off the road with his patrol car but it just kept walking down the middle of the road. He remembered that mt lions are terrified of people and might not know what a car was, so he drove out in front of it and got out of the car. Big mistake. The lion walked right up to him, gave him a tiny glance, and kept walking. My Dad knew from the same "expert" that he'd better not move 'cause a mt lion inside about 30 ft can get to you faster than he could draw his weapon and fire a shot. So he got really lucky.
They trapped the lion and it just went to sleep in the cage. Turns out it had been hit by a car and had a concussion. The next day after it had slept off the hangover though, you couldn't get within 20 ft of the cage without it going beserk. The fish and game guy told my Dad he should have gotten a lottery ticket after work because he was the luckiest guy on the planet for about 60 seconds. The lion *should have* torn his throat out just for being there, but it was too dazed to attack. The lion was otherwise uninjured (after getting hit by a car going 65-70 mph) and they let it go in a remote area a few days later.
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Originally posted by storch
I gotta call BS. the public edumaction system in california can barely teach humans to read (call lazs exihibit "A"). there is absolutely no way a so cal mountain lion learned to read in california. now the florida panther might be an exception. those california ones? not a chance.
Hay, thay tout mee how two reed and spel
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"Phil Anderson, dog wrestler, jujitsu fan."
dog wrestler? :huh
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I have only had problems with dogs and a wild boar that had been shot and was wounded by the guys I was with. the dogs were have all been shot with one of two different 44's and the boar was killed with a ruger super blackhawk... I believe all were killed with 250 grain lead semi wadcutters.
Dogs are the worst problem around here. I have heard of mountain lions but never seen one in the wild... I usually carry a smith 340 pd in .357 on hikes but fear people or wild dogs more than mountain lions or bears.
storchita... I learned to read in catholic school but... you have a point about public school. Where did you learn to read by the way?
lazs
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Originally posted by eagl
Plus mt lions gossip. A lot. They just seem to "know things".
My Dad responded to a call of a mt lion wandering on a freeway. He tried to herd it off the road with his patrol car but it just kept walking down the middle of the road. He remembered that mt lions are terrified of people and might not know what a car was, so he drove out in front of it and got out of the car. Big mistake. The lion walked right up to him, gave him a tiny glance, and kept walking. My Dad knew from the same "expert" that he'd better not move 'cause a mt lion inside about 30 ft can get to you faster than he could draw his weapon and fire a shot. So he got really lucky.
They trapped the lion and it just went to sleep in the cage. Turns out it had been hit by a car and had a concussion. The next day after it had slept off the hangover though, you couldn't get within 20 ft of the cage without it going beserk. The fish and game guy told my Dad he should have gotten a lottery ticket after work because he was the luckiest guy on the planet for about 60 seconds. The lion *should have* torn his throat out just for being there, but it was too dazed to attack. The lion was otherwise uninjured (after getting hit by a car going 65-70 mph) and they let it go in a remote area a few days later.
I figured I finish "the rest of the story" after the release of that mountain lion:
Barbara Schoener, 40, a friend of my sister and a long-distance runner in excellent physical shape, was killed by an 80-pound female mountain lion in Northern California on the American River Canyon trail in the Auburn State Recreation Area. No one observed the attack, and hence there are conflicting hypotheses about what occurred.
Barbara's husband Pete Schoener says that the lion was probably hidden on a ledge above the trail and pounced on Barbara as she passed underneath the lion. The lion knocked her down a slope and she was badly wounded, but she fought the animal with her arms before she was killed. Then the lion dragged her farther before eating most of her body.
The accounts in the paper said that investigators theorize that the lion surprised her by sneaking within 20' behind her on the tight trail and then ambushing Schoener, knocking her 30' down an 80° slope. Indications are she already was badly wounded but briefly fought the animal there before the lion finished the kill.
The trail is part of the Western States 100-Mile Endurance Run trail. Barbara was the first person in California in the 20th Century to die from a mountain lion attack.
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Originally posted by john9001
"Phil Anderson, dog wrestler, jujitsu fan."
dog wrestler? :huh
maybe you haven't met mrs. anderson?
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Well growing up in SW Oklahoma we had the odd mountain lion but they were pretty rare. Rattlesnakes on the other hand were a dime a dozen. Got bitten once and it hurt like hell. Spent a few days in the hospital over that one. Accidently cornered an armidillo once too. You really don't want to do that because those little bastards can get mean real quick. When I did go out though I'd usually have a .22 pistol with me. Really all you need for those types of threats.