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Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 18, 2007, 09:45:29 PM
All you P-38 fans should close your eyes at the very end.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHm_7JSWAc&mode=related&search=
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: viper215 on January 18, 2007, 09:52:47 PM
Wow that was crazy:O :confused:
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: USRanger on January 18, 2007, 10:48:34 PM
Great footage! Worth checkin' out y'all.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: VooWho on January 18, 2007, 11:07:24 PM
I don't like seeing planes crash, expesially the civilian one, the water tanker C130, and the P38, because you know, the pilot died and other on board died.

WTF was up with the B-52 at like 300ft doing? Don't you notice how all those Mig-29s and Su-27s crash at airshows.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Keiler on January 19, 2007, 01:12:49 AM
Same here...

Always glad when I see those guys get out with ejector-seat, but the incidences where they just augured... terrible..

Matt
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Oleg on January 19, 2007, 01:22:37 AM
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Originally posted by VooWho
WTF was up with the B-52 at like 300ft doing?


B-52 crash in Fairchild AFB:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403766138145210108
Title: Re: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 08:06:13 AM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
All you P-38 fans should close your eyes at the very end.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHm_7JSWAc&mode=related&search=

I'm pretty sure that a few in game here knew that 38 pilot, maybe a more respectful approach to posting these could have been taken.  I think I remember this same video being posted here before, maybe you should do a search and see how people reacted!  By the way Sweet2th, I am not trying to say your intentions were disrespectful, just that this is an airplane game and many WWII enthusiasts and historians are a part of this community!   sir!
Title: Re: Re: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 19, 2007, 08:20:49 AM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I'm pretty sure that a few in game here knew that 38 pilot, maybe a more respectful approach to posting these could have been taken.  I think I remember this same video being posted here before, maybe you should do a search and see how people reacted!  By the way Sweet2th, I am not trying to say your intentions were disrespectful, just that this is an airplane game and many WWII enthusiasts and historians are a part of this community!   sir!



Sorry i didn't get yours and everybody else's permission first.Would you like me to mail you a waiver?

And this is just a game?i feel so left out now
Title: Re: Re: Re: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 08:58:18 AM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Sorry i didn't get yours and everybody else's permission first.Would you like me to mail you a waiver?

And this is just a game?i feel so left out now

3 things here:

1.  I am at work and can't see the video so I am just guessing it's a real video of a 38 going in at an airshow.

2.  I thought I was being very respectful of you and even saluted you at the end of my post.

3.  Judging by your response to my post, I imagine you getting a chuckle out of the video!  No more salute for you smartarse!
Mark
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Benny Moore on January 19, 2007, 09:22:57 AM
Skyrock's right.  How would you like to see your friend die a second time?
Title: Re: Re: Re: None of us are perfect
Post by: Gumbeau on January 19, 2007, 09:45:02 AM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Sorry i didn't get yours and everybody else's permission first.Would you like me to mail you a waiver?

And this is just a game?i feel so left out now


What you posted isn't 'just a game'. What you posted was film of the violent death of my fellow aviators set to 'catchy' music like some sports blooper reel.

I can only hope you are very young and will someday realize why the entire premise of that film is disrespectful to the dead and painful for their families and friends.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: B@tfinkV on January 19, 2007, 10:30:36 AM
guys..





while i respect the moral standpoint a couple of you have taken....


.... sweet2th put a disclaimer that should have been obvious to those who dont want to watch it.  

while it is a tasteless descision to post people dying in aircrashes on an aviation forum it is related to the suvject and it is most likely that the films will be interesting to a larger % of the population thatn those they offend.



i think sweet2th just saw this for the first time and was truly amazed at such footage and just wanted to share it.


i dont think he has been overtly laughing at the film, more of a ':O at the film look at these dudes wow, dont watch it if you dont like seeing p38s destroyed' type of statement.



we dont have to be PC police all the time.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: killnu on January 19, 2007, 11:04:21 AM
PC police?! where....:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ReRiXLrUc
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: republic on January 19, 2007, 11:35:33 AM
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV

.... sweet2th put a disclaimer that should have been obvious to those who dont want to watch it.  


Uhh...how does "All you P-38 fans should close your eyes at the very end." let you know you are about to see the last moments of several peoples lives?  I, for one, thought it was about a P-38 graveyard (badly damaged, poorly maintained planes etc.)

The firefighter aircraft alone is disturbing enough....

:confused:


Perhaps, "Warning:  Gruesome death contained in this video?"
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Helrazr1 on January 19, 2007, 11:42:29 AM
Even if the origional disclaimer wasn't enough for you, THE TITLE ABOVE THE VIDEO SAYS "Airplane Crash Compilation #1".  Didn't that clue you in.

Not to mention the fact that everyone here that thinks it's so "disrespectful", WATCHED IT TO THE END!  If it were so disrespectful, why didn't you just shut it off as soon as you realized what it was?!?
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: -pjk-- on January 19, 2007, 11:45:27 AM
1st skyrock`s post I agree, 99% have  0% value.
Accidents happen and RIP for those aviators.

puujiikoo
Title: that
Post by: stockli on January 19, 2007, 12:33:31 PM
commercial aircraft had 0 passengers on board.

It was a test of the computer landing sytem developed by boeing.  (I am pretty sure I have seen that one before)

I agree the films are gruesome, but look at how many people wont look away from a train wreck.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 19, 2007, 12:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV



.... sweet2th put a disclaimer that should have been obvious to those who dont want to watch it.  

 



Telling someone to close their eyes is hardly a disclaimer.

and get out of your Dr. Phil mode, it's a tad borish.


ack-ack
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 12:36:12 PM
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
guys..





while i respect the moral standpoint a couple of you have taken....


.... sweet2th put a disclaimer that should have been obvious to those who dont want to watch it.  

while it is a tasteless descision to post people dying in aircrashes on an aviation forum it is related to the suvject and it is most likely that the films will be interesting to a larger % of the population thatn those they offend.



i think sweet2th just saw this for the first time and was truly amazed at such footage and just wanted to share it.


i dont think he has been overtly laughing at the film, more of a ':O at the film look at these dudes wow, dont watch it if you dont like seeing p38s destroyed' type of statement.



we dont have to be PC police all the time.

Like I said in my original post, maybe some more thought about where he is posting this could have been taken into consideration.  I know there are several fellows in here that knew that 38 pilot.  I understand why it is interesting to watch and am myself very curious to witness these types of videos.  I was basically giving sweet2th a heads up on what some in here will definitely find extremely disturbing and very disrespectful!  It was his response to my post that let me know he really doesn't give a rats patooty about who knew the guy or what they think about it!  
     

Hey!  I'm cool because I posted a vid where a fellow Warbird enthusiast lost his life letting others witness the beauty of these beloved machines!
The above sarcasm is exactly what I got from his response!
Mark
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Benny Moore on January 19, 2007, 01:19:49 PM
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Originally posted by Helrazr1
Even if the origional disclaimer wasn't enough for you, THE TITLE ABOVE THE VIDEO SAYS "Airplane Crash Compilation #1".  Didn't that clue you in.

Not to mention the fact that everyone here that thinks it's so "disrespectful", WATCHED IT TO THE END!  If it were so disrespectful, why didn't you just shut it off as soon as you realized what it was?!?


That's hardly fair.  I quite enjoy watching non-fatal crashes (such as the Su-27 where the crew ejected) for the spectacular fireworks shows, and it also can be beneficial to learn something from any crash.  But for me and a lot of other folks, it's customary to only watch non-fatalities for entertainment.  When I see a compilation of crashes created for entertainment purposes, I expect them to be non-fatalities.  My first clue that this one wasn't was the firefighting airplane's terrible accident.

The objection isn't that a fatality was posted, it's that it was posted without mentioning that it was a fatality.  Moreover, my obection is that fatalities were included in a compilation meant for entertainment.  You can call me "politically correct" until you're blue in the face, and those who know me will know it is not so.  I simply think that we should have a little more respect than to consider the fates of others as entertainment.  In this we as a culture are becoming little better than the Romans sitting in the Colosseum.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: parin on January 19, 2007, 01:39:53 PM
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Originally posted by killnu
PC police?! where....:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ReRiXLrUc


After visiting the Hiroshima hiroshima peace park that was horrible. however, ... :rofl
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Helrazr1 on January 19, 2007, 01:44:48 PM
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
That's hardly fair.  I quite enjoy watching non-fatal crashes (such as the Su-27 where the crew ejected) for the spectacular fireworks shows, and it also can be beneficial to learn something from any crash.  But for me and a lot of other folks, it's customary to only watch non-fatalities for entertainment.  When I see a compilation of crashes created for entertainment purposes, I expect them to be non-fatalities.  My first clue that this one wasn't was the firefighting airplane's terrible accident.

The objection isn't that a fatality was posted, it's that it was posted without mentioning that it was a fatality.  Moreover, my obection is that fatalities were included in a compilation meant for entertainment.  You can call me "politically correct" until you're blue in the face, and those who know me will know it is not so.  I simply think that we should have a little more respect than to consider the fates of others as entertainment.  In this we as a culture are becoming little better than the Romans sitting in the Colosseum.


OK, so once you saw the firefighting aircraft go down, did you stop watching?  At that point you realized that it wasn't just non-fatal accidents, right?  If you didn't, then stop standing on your soapbox.

Did anyone who's read this thread know any of the pilots in any single one of the videos posted?  Doubt it!  If you in fact did, then I'm sorry for your loss, but if not, quit whining about a "what if someone did" scenario.

I am an avid skydiver, and I watch skydiving accident films all the time.  Does this mean that I have no moral fiber, no, it's just something that I can relate to.  It doesn't mean that I am getting any kind of enjoyment out of seeing people lose their lives, or being seriously hurt.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: RELIC on January 19, 2007, 01:47:47 PM
WOW I never thought this sentence would come out of my mouth but.... I agree with SkyRock and I thought he was pretty respectful in his first post.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 01:51:56 PM
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Originally posted by RELIC
WOW I never thought this sentence would come out of my mouth but.... I agree with SkyRock and I thought he was pretty respectful in his first post.

Thnx Relic, I actually am a real person in RL......just an arse ingame! :D
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 02:16:43 PM
Does anyone know if that vid was of Jeffery Ethel's crash?  Im at work and have limited search capabilities!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: -SR- on January 19, 2007, 02:17:02 PM
I thought the video compilation was fine. I do not believe it was meant to cause anyone harm.

I think it is just as appropriate to put in your two cents without being attacked for it.

I did see one post on another subject that made sense. If you have a personal issue with something posted on here. Take  up privately with them.

It is more acceptable to recieve criticism in private and praise in public.

My two pennies.

-SR-
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: skycaptn on January 19, 2007, 02:17:11 PM
Number one..
High speed aircraft crashes are very very rarely "gruesome deaths" Having worked several of these from a EMS perspective I can tell you its not a rescue effort as much as a recovery one.

secondly..
Anyone who watches a buddie crash their plane while performing at an airshow already knows a few things...
a.) noone is immortal
b.) that person loved doing that enough that he would put his life at risk for the rush.
c.) skyrock is a tard and is just trying to get a reaction from ppl.

thirdly...
Id rather go down in a ball of flames.. than die of cancer in a hospital

to all the pilots who met their ends flying with the birds.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: republic on January 19, 2007, 02:37:18 PM
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Originally posted by skycaptn

to all the pilots who met their ends flying with the birds.


Amen to that.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Helrazr1 on January 19, 2007, 02:55:09 PM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
Number one..
High speed aircraft crashes are very very rarely "gruesome deaths" Having worked several of these from a EMS perspective I can tell you its not a rescue effort as much as a recovery one.

secondly..
Anyone who watches a buddie crash their plane while performing at an airshow already knows a few things...
a.) noone is immortal
b.) that person loved doing that enough that he would put his life at risk for the rush.
c.) skyrock is a tard and is just trying to get a reaction from ppl.

thirdly...
Id rather go down in a ball of flames.. than die of cancer in a hospital

to all the pilots who met their ends flying with the birds.


You hit the nail on the head sir,
Title: Price of passion
Post by: Stampf on January 19, 2007, 02:57:37 PM
:aok

Exactly.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Benny Moore on January 19, 2007, 03:32:19 PM
Oh, well then, carry on!  Don't let the old wet blanket Benny get in the way of your entertainment.

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Originally posted by SkyRock
Does anyone know if that vid was of Jeffery Ethel's crash?  Im at work and have limited search capabilities!


No, it wasn't.  I don't remember who it was, but the P-38 in the film posted in this thread was painted up as "California Cutie."  The F.A.A. report suggested that one of the pilot's tools (he worked on the ship as well as flew it) became lodged in the control column and jammed it.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 19, 2007, 03:52:55 PM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Does anyone know if that vid was of Jeffery Ethel's crash?  Im at work and have limited search capabilities!


I don't think that was Jeff Ethel in control of that P-38.  IIRC, that crash in the video was a few years after Ethel had already died.


ack-ack
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
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Originally posted by skycaptn
Number one..
High speed aircraft crashes are very very rarely "gruesome deaths" Having worked several of these from a EMS perspective I can tell you its not a rescue effort as much as a recovery one.

secondly..
Anyone who watches a buddie crash their plane while performing at an airshow already knows a few things...
a.) noone is immortal
b.) that person loved doing that enough that he would put his life at risk for the rush.
c.) skyrock is a tard and is just trying to get a reaction from ppl.

thirdly...
Id rather go down in a ball of flames.. than die of cancer in a hospital

to all the pilots who met their ends flying with the birds.

Your completely lost at the point of my original post.  Your response is more of an attack on me than a reaction to what I originally posted.  Just because you are an EMT and have seen plane crashes gives you no right to say that the way he posted the film would not be disrespectful to the many on these boards who follow those who fly old warbirds!   I simply stated that more thought (and need I say, more respect) in the title he posted would have been appreciative!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: x0847Marine on January 19, 2007, 04:55:46 PM
drama
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Mustaine on January 19, 2007, 06:06:06 PM
Skycaptn... it sure sounds to me like you are the one being a tard and trying to get a reaction.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 19, 2007, 07:46:42 PM
To be fair i had no intentions of hurting anyone's feelings.If you fly airplanes there is the constant risk of " DEATH " involved what goes up must come down.

Batfink & helrazer summed it pretty good i think to you both
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 19, 2007, 08:38:37 PM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
To be fair i had no intentions of hurting anyone's feelings.If you fly airplanes there is the constant risk of " DEATH " involved what goes up must come down.

Batfink & helrazer summed it pretty good i think to you both

Saluting helrazr?  for his comments?  Done with this thread!
good day!
Mark
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Helrazr1 on January 19, 2007, 08:57:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th

Batfink & helrazer summed it pretty good i think to you both


A big to you too sir.

BTW, thanks for finally getting Skyrock to say he's done!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 19, 2007, 09:05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Helrazr1
A big to you too sir.

BTW, thanks for finally getting Skyrock to say he's done!



lol your not right in the head:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Brenjen on January 19, 2007, 09:17:24 PM
It's film footage, film footage is there to be viewed. People died in nearly every one of those crashes, I know a couple of the airshow crashes killed people on the ground. The B-52 crew, the Lufthansa jet, most of the helo crashes....people lost their lives in all of them.

 Maybe when you post stuff like that you could just warn people, "images of fatal crashes" or something. Myself, if the cameraman took the time to follow the action, I'll take the time to watch it.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 19, 2007, 09:24:45 PM
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Originally posted by Brenjen
It's film footage, film footage is there to be viewed. People died in nearly every one of those crashes, I know a couple of the airshow crashes killed people on the ground. The B-52 crew, the Lufthansa jet, most of the helo crashes....people lost their lives in all of them.

 Maybe when you post stuff like that you could just warn people, "images of fatal crashes" or something. Myself, if the cameraman took the time to follow the action, I'll take the time to watch it.




It's funny how certain people are now so " Sensative " to what others post.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: killnu on January 19, 2007, 10:07:47 PM
forget it
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Vudak on January 19, 2007, 10:25:39 PM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
It's funny how certain people are now so " Sensative " to what others post.


There's some irony.  If you hadn't gotten so defensive after Skyrock's first post, and had just said something as simple as, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone by this," everything would already be over, and you wouldn't have people sticking up for Skyrock of all people over you. (No offense, Skyrock :D )

The way you chose to reply to his first post kinda makes you look like an...  Well, you know.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 19, 2007, 11:05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Vudak
There's some irony.  If you hadn't gotten so defensive after Skyrock's first post, and had just said something as simple as, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone by this,"


Maybe if Skyrock didn't respond like i should have known that was his people he wouldn't have gotten the response i have given.



Like Helrazr said, if you didn't figure out what the movie was about after the first 30 seconds then your pretty much a Dee Dee Dee!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Tumor on January 19, 2007, 11:17:19 PM
I like donuts
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Vudak on January 19, 2007, 11:27:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sweet2th
Maybe if Skyrock didn't respond like i should have known that was his people he wouldn't have gotten the response i have given.



Like Helrazr said, if you didn't figure out what the movie was about after the first 30 seconds then your pretty much a Dee Dee Dee!


Keep digging the hole, bud.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: kvuo75 on January 19, 2007, 11:37:34 PM
I fully expected to see a P38 auger at an airshow when I clicked on a youtube link.

Anyone who thinks anyone else should care if YOU are "offended" by obviously important video (as all plane crashes are) should go cram it, up, left.

Just because someone dies does not make it off-limits.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 20, 2007, 07:20:54 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Vudak
Keep digging the hole, bud.



I plan to keep diggin, then i will have a new Pool!!!!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 20, 2007, 07:20:59 PM
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Originally posted by Vudak
Keep digging the hole, bud.



I plan to keep diggin, then i will have a new Pool!!!!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Widewing on January 20, 2007, 07:58:19 PM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Does anyone know if that vid was of Jeffery Ethel's crash?  Im at work and have limited search capabilities!


It was Proudfoot's crash at Duxford.... Sad day in the warbird community.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 20, 2007, 08:28:56 PM
""All you P-38 fans should close your eyes at the very end.""

that right there is all the warning I would have needed.  I assumed something awfull was going to happen to a p-38 and/or it's pilot.  as soon as the video started rolling I knew for certain what I assumed would turn out to be true.

I have and always will have the option to close a window that I willingly open.  I don't feel offended after having watched that, I don't feel like a bad person for having watched the whole thing.. twice.

Yes it is a true shame that most of those people died, but they were doing what they loved.  

Did any of you people crying foul think that after seeing the first line of the post and the first thirty seconds of the film that there was going to be puppies, flowers and rainbows?  what kind of tellatubby world do you live in?  Also, how many of you pointing the finger turned the video off as soon as you realized there were fatal crashes in it? How many of you watched the whole thing before you realized "hey.. this.. this isn't right..."?

Accidents happen, accidents will be filmed and those films will be watched.

I do however think it was in bad taste to set that video to some happy upbeat music like that lol
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 20, 2007, 08:57:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SkyPig
""All you P-38 fans should close your eyes at the very end.""

that right there is all the warning I would have needed.  I assumed something awfull was going to happen to a p-38 and/or it's pilot.  as soon as the video started rolling I knew for certain what I assumed would turn out to be true.

I have and always will have the option to close a window that I willingly open.  I don't feel offended after having watched that, I don't feel like a bad person for having watched the whole thing.. twice.

Yes it is a true shame that most of those people died, but they were doing what they loved.  

Did any of you people crying foul think that after seeing the first line of the post and the first thirty seconds of the film that there was going to be puppies, flowers and rainbows?  what kind of tellatubby world do you live in?  Also, how many of you pointing the finger turned the video off as soon as you realized there were fatal crashes in it? How many of you watched the whole thing before you realized "hey.. this.. this isn't right..."?

Accidents happen, accidents will be filmed and those films will be watched.

I do however think it was in bad taste to set that video to some happy upbeat music like that lol


you tell'em skypig


yea and people go to a Nascar Race to watch 43 rednecks turn left for 3 hours.Not waitin for one of them to crash.....
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Rebel on January 21, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
Good compilation- sure shows how ejection seats save lives.

Didn't like the music.  German techno, with guys dyin' ---meh- but that's just bad on the remixer.  I have a volume knob.    I used it.

Hated to see Proudfoot go again, especially in a hard auger like that.  

At least it was quick, and he died doing what he loved- we should all be that lucky.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 22, 2007, 05:31:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Sweet2th
you tell'em skypig


yea and people go to a Nascar Race to watch 43 rednecks turn left for 3 hours.Not waitin for one of them to crash.....

Here's a film fellas, and my respects to the 38 augering at teh end as I know many of you keep up with these birds and their pilots.  
Just a little hint as to how it could have been titled!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 22, 2007, 06:31:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Here's a film fellas, and my respects to the 38 augering at teh end as I know many of you keep up with these birds and their pilots.  
Just a little hint as to how it could have been titled!:aok



Thought you were done?
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 22, 2007, 10:43:30 AM
"""Here's a film fellas, and my respects to the 38 augering at teh end as I know many of you keep up with these birds and their pilots.
Just a little hint as to how it could have been titled!"""

Nicely done!   I hereby declare all future post wich may contain anything of a sensative nature be passed before you for final inspection and P.C. editing.

You can jump off your soapbox any time now guy
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 22, 2007, 04:27:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thought you were done?

Maybe you should be done! I mean, what kind of reaction did you expect from your title and choice of film to post?  You obviously do not know the community that well, as most of the people "defending" you from mean ole Skyrock are newbs and morons!  I have a right to state my opinion about this and I know that there are people in this community that follow servicable lightnings and the men who fly them.  Some have even met the pilots in RL, but alas, "None of us are perfect!", so when you see my reply, just "close your eyes!"
Mark:rolleyes:
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 22, 2007, 04:41:03 PM
""as most of the people "defending" you from mean ole Skyrock are newbs and morons!"""

wow, now look who's being considerate of other people's feelings.  Take your own advice and rephrase that in a more PC way, since that's what you're all about :aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 22, 2007, 04:52:44 PM
"""You obviously do not know the community that well, as most of the people "defending" you from mean ole Skyrock are newbs and morons! I have a right to state my opinion about this... """

Clasic! you, sir, are a hypocrite.  Everyone on this post so far has been giving their opinion but those that don't agree with you "are newbs and mornons!"

keep 'em coming, you're cheaper than a movie and the popcorn is free.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 22, 2007, 04:59:16 PM
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Originally posted by SkyPig
""as most of the people "defending" you from mean ole Skyrock are newbs and morons!"""

wow, now look who's being considerate of other people's feelings.  Take your own advice and rephrase that in a more PC way, since that's what you're all about :aok

SKPG, I have always been very respectful of the loss of life when it is accidental or avoidable.  On the other hand, I am usually pretty brash when it comes to debating weenies!  Please refrain from manipulating my words to cast your spin!  Besides, don't you have some cherries to pick or dives to the deck and running to do in your pony? LMAO!  :aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 22, 2007, 05:01:52 PM
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Originally posted by SkyPig
"""You obviously do not know the community that well, as most of the people "defending" you from mean ole Skyrock are newbs and morons! I have a right to state my opinion about this... """

Clasic! you, sir, are a hypocrite.  Everyone on this post so far has been giving their opinion but those that don't agree with you "are newbs and mornons!"

keep 'em coming, you're cheaper than a movie and the popcorn is free.

My original opinion(post) was extremely respectful in case you haven't read the entire thread, it was the newbs and morons that started the badmouthing!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Mustaine on January 22, 2007, 05:03:23 PM
get a big room all of you, and a smidge of KY.

























:rofl
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 22, 2007, 05:22:30 PM
"""SKPG, I have always been very respectful of the loss of life when it is accidental or avoidable. On the other hand, I am usually pretty brash when it comes to debating weenies! Please refrain from manipulating my words to cast your spin! Besides, don't you have some cherries to pick or dives to the deck and running to do in your pony? LMAO! """


:confused:   I might undersand you better if you took your foot out of your mouth
Title: none of us are perfect
Post by: VERTEX on January 22, 2007, 05:32:42 PM
This thread is a really good example of some thing simple that became far too complicated. All the guy did was find some footage he thought others might wish to watch, and post a link. He did not create the circumstances that led to the films creation, he did not film it, he is not profiting from it. He just wanted to share it. Nobody was forced to watch it. If your curiosity got the better of you, but you did not like it, turn it off.  End of story.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 22, 2007, 05:35:45 PM
I'm sorry I must apologize... I am of the belief that there was no misrepresentation or crudeness in the original post, I respect your opinion, please do the same for others.

I haven't slept in quite a while and need some mindless entertainment to keep me awake.  If you want to continue please do, I'm sure most people are just skipping over this thread while a few are getting a little chuckle (or it might just be me) either way the ball is in your court.  we've all stated our opinion.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 22, 2007, 10:47:41 PM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Maybe you should be done! I mean, what kind of reaction did you expect from your title and choice of film to post?  


Well to be quite honest Batfink hit it right, it was the first i had seen the film and wanted to share it with others is all cuz i thought it was kool.

The fact that you started crying like my 6 year old is a surprise bonus.


Keep on Keepin ON!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 23, 2007, 12:04:55 AM
Here Skyrock this video is what i think you, and a lot of others on this BB really need.

I went & filmed this just for you Good Buddy !:aok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSIas67m7_M
Title: Re: none of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 23, 2007, 01:11:09 AM
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Originally posted by VERTEX
This thread is a really good example of some thing simple that became far too complicated. All the guy did was find some footage he thought others might wish to watch, and post a link. He did not create the circumstances that led to the films creation, he did not film it, he is not profiting from it. He just wanted to share it. Nobody was forced to watch it. If your curiosity got the better of you, but you did not like it, turn it off.  End of story.
Read the first 5 posts in this thread and you will find who took it in this direction.  I was trying to be respectfully helpful to the chap about posting crashes of WWII warbirds as many in the community are fans and some even friends with those who maintain and fly them!  I always watch films that would offend some people because I am curious and can take it, but I would take a little time to word my introduction of the film to this community out of respect!  I even stated that I didnt think sweet2th was trying to be disrespectful, just that it might help to take it into consideration, next time!
Mark
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 01:17:16 AM
""Read the first 5 posts in this thread and you will find who took it in this direction""

In other words.. "it's not my fault, he started it!"
Title: Re: Re: none of us are perfect
Post by: Vudak on January 23, 2007, 01:19:09 AM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Read the first 5 posts in this thread and you will find who took it in this direction.  I was trying to be respectfully helpful to the chap about posting crashes of WWII warbirds as many in the community are fans and some even friends with those who maintain and fly them!  I always watch films that would offend some people because I am curious and can take it, but I would take a little time to word my introduction of the film to this community out of respect!  I even stated that I didnt think sweet2th was trying to be disrespectful, just that it might help to take it into consideration, next time!
Mark


Yep.  That pretty much sums it up.

Posting the film didn't cross the line of poor taste.  The reaction to Skyrock's 1st post certainly did.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 23, 2007, 01:34:05 AM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
it was the first i had seen the film and wanted to share it with others is all cuz i thought it was kool.

This is exactly how your title and original posting came off to me!  Thank you for clearing this up for some of us! If you think watching a P-38 with a pilot inside cartwheel in flames down a runway at an airshow that is obviously put on for WWII air history buffs, is "kool" then it is your choice to enjoy! I am also a big fan of shock films!   Posting it in a forum where you know WWII air history buffs gather and saying it's "Kool" is just showing your immaturity and disrespect for some in here who may have known this guy or may have been following him and the plane as fans!  I liken it to going on a racing forum with many Dale fans and posting his crash and saying, "I just thought I'd share this with you cuz I thought it was kool!"  Besides, it's just my opinion on the matter anyway!
Mark
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 23, 2007, 01:40:24 AM
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Originally posted by SkyPig
""Read the first 5 posts in this thread and you will find who took it in this direction""

In other words.. "it's not my fault, he started it!"

SKPG, again I ask you to refrain from manipulating my words!  Did you read my original post?  Are you mad at me about something other than this thread?  Why you would continually try and manipulate the point of my posts leaves me bewildered!  Why not stop before you get in over your head.  If you have a beef with me about what I said to you and your squad, then take it up in another thread!  That would be the "manly" thing to do!  I have no problems dealing with you man to man, just try and avoid weasling your squabbles with me into this thread!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 23, 2007, 01:58:52 AM
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV

while it is a tasteless descision to post people dying in aircrashes on an aviation forum


Sweet2th, in your own words, "Bat hit the nail on the head!":aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyRock on January 23, 2007, 02:05:48 AM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Here Skyrock this video is what i think you, and a lot of others on this BB really need.

I went & filmed this just for you Good Buddy !:aok


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSIas67m7_M

Nice pipe!  But its not the design of the pipe that makes the pipe special.......it's what you smoke in it that makes it!  :D   Sweet2th, I really don't think you meant to disrespect people by posting the film, I was just trying t help you to understand that the WWII warbird community is/ and can be a very close community spread throughout the world!  Just a little forethought on respecting those who give their lives to keep those birds up and running for the rest of us to watch!  <> sir!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 03:40:51 AM
I have no "beef" with you personally... it's your hollier than thou attitude and the fact that you seem to be the crusader of PC, in this thread anyway.  If you feel so strongly in your opinion you should have stated it once and let it stand on it's own strenght, that would be the "manly" thing to do.
  Many people have said they came away from watching that video with something other than disgust and were not offended in the least, by the video or the way it was presented here.  I think ( forgive me if im wrong I still haven't slept) that sweet2th even apollogized if there were any offense.  But you don't see that, you keep harping "look at my first post, look at my first post!" who cares if he replied rudely to you, the "manly" thing to do would have been to ignore it if it were so immature to you.

and I never manipulated your words, I quoted you exactly as you posted them.. except for the "in other words....he started it"

One last thing and then I'll do my best to be the bigger man and let the whole thing drop....  Either you have some sick fascination with the taste of foot, with it being in your mouth once too often or you seriously have me confused with someone else.

I dont recall you saying anything to me or the squad I'm in... notice the vowels in my name and the lack of in SKPG, I dont know SKPG personally, spoke/flew with him a couple times I remember, seemed like an OK guy. But, I'm not SKPG and I doubt he wants to be confused with being me so.. before you get in over YOUR head, sir, you might want to get your facts straight before you open your mouth too wide and fall in.

We've all seen your opinion, since you take every oportunity to direct us back to it, but, as I said once before recently... I respect your opinion, please give the same respect to others.   if someone believes the original post was NOT offensive that is their opinion, right or wrong, good or bad.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer after I've gotten some desperatly needed rest :)

Or, we can both be "manly" men and let the whole thing drop and this thread with it, what do ya say?

Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: kilz on January 23, 2007, 05:07:42 AM
man dont yall know SkyRock strives on this kind of stuff. let it be faze him out and he will go away its what i usaly do when he starts his I OWN who ever thing that and squeeeeellllllllccccccchhhhhh
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 23, 2007, 07:04:51 AM
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
man dont yall know SkyRock strives on this kind of stuff. let it be faze him out and he will go away its what i usaly do when he starts his I OWN who ever thing that and squeeeeellllllllccccccchhhhhh



I know it's so funny, you type a couple lines and he practically writes a book , like i care anyway.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: B@tfinkV on January 23, 2007, 08:45:37 AM
i think the funniest thing here is that the very game we play day in day out is more offensive than any crash compilation video.



i mean.....seriously....how do you think a real WW2 pilot would feel if he logged in and saw...

'BWWAHAHAHA die spit-tard, i love to watch you going down in flames beotch! I own u all, i R teh l33t fighter pilot!1!111!'


i think he might find that slightly offensive, dont you?
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 09:56:15 AM
"'BWWAHAHAHA die spit-tard, i love to watch you going down in flames beotch! I own u all, i R teh l33t fighter pilot!1!111!'"


i think you need to take other peoples feelings into consideration when you post something like that...  think of all the spit pilots you might have offended when you wrote that, i dont fly spits often but I know people that do, you have offended me sir!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: B@tfinkV on January 23, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
i'd do it again!! :t
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 03:04:08 PM
you are out of line with that kind of talk.  this BB is where everyone's feelings are respected and taken into consideration with every post, you are not doing so.   where is skyrock when I need him the most, I feel offended
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: B@tfinkV on January 23, 2007, 03:05:53 PM
oh my, the guilt is eating away at me.


im sorry, truly, please forgive me this time i will learn not to be so selfish in future, i promise!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 03:24:12 PM
I know someone will be pleased to hear that.

my feelings on the other hand... well, I'll learn to get over it
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 23, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
(http://plig.org/things/pictures/tn/arguing.med.jpg)


ack-ack
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Sweet2th on January 23, 2007, 04:24:32 PM
What would a thread be without AckAcky's Intelligent pics & comments.Wtg Acky on makin it count!:aok
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 05:50:15 PM
now that is honestly tasteless.  you been holding onto that pic for quite a while huh, waiting for just the right time to use it?  lol I bet you feel super wicked cool now.  What witt!  what style! lol

but then again, that's just my opinion.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 23, 2007, 05:56:23 PM
Thanks Skypig for proving that picture correct.  Keep up the good work!


ack-ack
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 06:02:08 PM
I guess that makes me "retarded"? hehe  you're clever!  you replied awfully quick, you been sittin in your chair hitting refresh to use your next line?  you waited a whole 6 minutes I think.  slow down next time, this ain't jeopardy, you won't get penalized for not responding right away.   Makes you look kind of desperate to earn a burn though lol
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: B@tfinkV on January 23, 2007, 06:10:44 PM
ack ack - skypig and I were just messing around in a very light hearted manner.....i thought that was obvious.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 06:15:01 PM
Most everyone else thought it was obvious as well I think.  but go easy on him. like I said, I think he's been holding onto that pic for quite a while waiting to use it.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 23, 2007, 06:17:08 PM
Actually it was aimed more at SkyPig and Skyrock.



ack-ack
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: SkyPig on January 23, 2007, 06:21:01 PM
damn, maybe you should have been a little quicker then lol that argument was over long ago  :aok   keep it up speedy
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: B@tfinkV on January 23, 2007, 06:25:25 PM
ah cc, my mistake.
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: chancevought on January 23, 2007, 07:46:54 PM
people are replaceable...where u gonna find another P-38?...such a shame....

Note to self...dont do rolls while pointing towards ground....a couple hours on AH woulda prevented that!!
Title: None of us are perfect
Post by: Helrazr1 on January 24, 2007, 03:07:19 AM
Thanks alot Chance, now Skyrock is gonna start talking again for sure.