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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: razor951 on January 20, 2007, 07:06:24 AM
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I think there should be more planes that you are allowed to take off carriers in aces high. The planes that are there are great but most are american and I think you should add more carrier capable planes. No only that but in special conditions you should be able to take what you whant mabey in a new arena or watever but it would would be great. This makes it like the offline mode were I have a lot of fun just moving a carrier there and takeing a Ki-67-Ti off and bombing or I have even got a loaded B17 off of a carrier. There are a lot of planes in the game that would be able to use carriers if they had a hook such as the Bf 110 takes off with room to spare.
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Actually I think HTC did a pretty good job with carrier based aircraft.
The three main CV operators were the US, Japan and the UK. Admittedly
the UK selection is a touch slim, but the US and Japanese planesets are
fairly substantial.
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Originally posted by razor951
This makes it like the offline mode were I have a lot of fun just moving a carrier there and takeing a Ki-67-Ti off and bombing or I have even got a loaded B17 off of a carrier. There are a lot of planes in the game that would be able to use carriers if they had a hook such as the Bf 110 takes off with room to spare.
Ki-67, B-17, Bf-110--not carrier planes. Every significant carrier plane produce in numbers is basically represented in the game, save the SB2D Helldiver. If it didn't come out of the factory during the war as a carrier aircraft, you're not going to see it offered on a CV in this game.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
Ki-67, B-17, Bf-110--not carrier planes. Every significant carrier plane produce in numbers is basically represented in the game, save the SB2D Helldiver. If it didn't come out of the factory during the war as a carrier aircraft, you're not going to see it offered on a CV in this game.
Judy Judy Judy!
-Sik
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"Admittedly the UK selection is a touch slim"
It's not as bad as it seems. The RN also flew the F4F, the FM2, the Corsair, and the F6F, in large numbers. The RN also flew the Brewster Buffalo, and it is only a matter of time before the Buffalo is added to Aces High.
The F4F was called the Martlet, and it was one of the rare cases where the British name for an American import did not catch on (in contrast to Sherman, Mustang, etc).
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I agree that they arent carrier planes but i still think you should be able to take a few off that currently cannot. I dont know how accurate it would be to ww2 but it would make a little more fun.
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No thx. but the Helldiver, judy and a few seaplanes would be nice.
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Only if Germany had gotten there Zepplin Carrier finished would be have german navy carrier fighters, and dive bombers. I think the 109E-3 was to be a carrier fighter, and the Ju87B was to a carrier borne dive bomber and there were some other planes.
Did Italy have any operational aircraft carriers during WW2? I know they had some in construction, but did they end up like the Zepplin, moving to other harbors, to escape being sunk, or damaged, before completion?
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I suppose the Fairey Barracuda could be made so the Brits have their own torpedo bomber but i think it may end up not beeing used as much as say the TBM.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Fairey_Barracuda.jpg)
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I agree with sikboy that Judy would be a good addition.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Did Italy have any operational aircraft carriers during WW2?
Without actually looking it up... the Italians were working on one, it started with an "A", like "Aquella" or something like that. It wasn't given a priority, because Italy was tasked with covering the Med (which they refered to as Mara Nostra: "Our Sea"), and by the time it was considered important enough to really focus on, Italy was done.
In the CAP event, the Germans had a the Graf Zepplin, and used it for at least one frame with 109s and Stukas. It's amazingly easy to land a Stuka on a CV lol.
Originally Posted by Ghosth
I agree with sikboy that Judy would be a good addition.
Thank you :)
-Sik
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Ok, lets see what is needed in the way of Carrier planes.
The US would need the Buffalo/F2A3, and the Devastator/TBD. That would conclude the early war carrier planeset for them. Now Midway, and Coral Sea, can be fought with the historic aircraft.
The British would need the Skua, and the Swordfish.
The Japanese would need the Judy, in order for them to compete in the late war.
That is prety much it, five planes. Easily acomplished if HT would get off it's fat arse and complete TOD, so they can start adding planes.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Ok, lets see what is needed in the way of Carrier planes.
The US would need the Buffalo/F2A3, and the Devastator/TBD. That would conclude the early war carrier planeset for them. Now Midway, and Coral Sea, can be fought with the historic aircraft.
The British would need the Skua, and the Swordfish.
The Japanese would need the Judy, in order for them to compete in the late war.
That is prety much it, five planes. Easily acomplished if HT would get off it's fat arse and complete TOD, so they can start adding planes.
I'm no buttkisser, but you are way out of line with this post. To say I
disagree with both your idea and your insults is putting it mildly.
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Yeah....and let's add Y-Wings and Vipers! Yeah!.... And steam catapults so we can successfully launch when CV is turning, or when we so overload a plane it would *never* get off the deck otherwise...... Yeah!...... Why not the A-1 Sky Raider.... it was a carrier-based prop plane (in another war or two).. .....Yeah!....and the F-14 Tomcats from the movie "Final Countdown".....Yeah!
(sigh).... post is a good argument of why you will never see the B-25 added to the plane set........ and "loaded B-17" off the deck of an Essex class carrier??? Wouldn't the wings hit the conning tower, never mind all the other issues with it? :rolleyes:
OTOH, I agree that the Judy would be a good addition to the game. Japanese planeset is kinda narrow in some regards, but Judy would be a add.
Overall, CV's in general are weak in their use in arena combat operations due to the lack of any high, mid, or low CAP, and no picket warning ships used. No one defends the CV's, so they die. Hard to justify putting an effort into more carrier based planes when they get sunk so easily.
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Curtiss SB2C Helldiver, only cause i like it.
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How significant was the Judy? I've read the production numbers at around 1600, but haven't read a lot about them in most history books--at least in the major naval battles. For instance, a lot of the kamikazes being flown into the Okinawa AO were still Kates and Vals...
I saw that they were used for reconnaissance duty. Was that a more prevalent role for the Judy than dive bombing?
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There were plans for a carrier based P-38... It never left paper, but it was thought of. Therefore, add the P38 to the CV capable planes!
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Originally posted by Apeking
The F4F was called the Martlet, and it was one of the rare cases where the British name for an American import did not catch on (in contrast to Sherman, Mustang, etc).
Sorry to bust out all Cliff Claiborne on ya but,
In March of '44, RNAF aircraft standardized their designations with the U.S. equivalent. The Martlet became known as the Wildcat and the Tarpon became known as the Avenger.
:)
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Wasn't there a navalized P-40 variant? Limited production, but DID see combat?
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You're not talking about the USAAF guys that took off the USS Ranger during Operation Torch are you? That was a one way trip--they didn't return to the ship--kinda like the P-47's that supported the Marianas invasisons.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
How significant was the Judy? I've read the production numbers at around 1600, but haven't read a lot about them in most history books--at least in the major naval battles. For instance, a lot of the kamikazes being flown into the Okinawa AO were still Kates and Vals...
I saw that they were used for reconnaissance duty. Was that a more prevalent role for the Judy than dive bombing?
Over 2000 Judy's were built, which were more than the Kates, Vals, or Jills produced, respectively.
Some were converted to night fighters vs B-29's, but not very effective. Carried over twice the load of a Val (up to 800kg compared to 370kg) and had a higher service ceiling and was about 100 mph faster, and had a similar range. Some late models had RATO boosters to get off short runways. Of course, lacking self sealing tanks hurt them like many Japanese planes.
The CV's Franklin and Essex both hit by Judy's.
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http://www.combinedfleet.com says it could only carry 800kg of bombs in the suicide configuration. Normal bomb load was 310kg.
And, didn't look it up, but I'm guessing those Judys that hit the Franklin and Essex didn't pickle their bombs either?
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Judy first saw use in Recce at the Battle of Midway. From 1942 on, she was the premier divebomber of the IJN. Although her bombload was the same as the Val, she was considerably faster than any other Carrier born divebomber of the time (of course, the USN JABOs render this pointless during the course of the war).
In 1942-1943 events, Judy would give the Japanese a much needed strike platform that would be able to actually make it to the target, and have a decent chance of getting home. As it stands, flying Vals v. Hellcats and Coursairs is less than useless.
Granted, there wouldn't be much use in the MA.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Stoney74
http://www.combinedfleet.com says it could only carry 800kg of bombs in the suicide configuration. Normal bomb load was 310kg.
And, didn't look it up, but I'm guessing those Judys that hit the Franklin and Essex didn't pickle their bombs either?
I don't know about the Essex, but the Franklin was hit by a bomb. The Judy in question got away.
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Originally posted by pwnt
Sorry to bust out all Cliff Claiborne on ya but,
In March of '44, RNAF aircraft standardized their designations with the U.S. equivalent. The Martlet became known as the Wildcat and the Tarpon became known as the Avenger.
:)
Cliff Claven:D :D :D :D :D :D :cool: :cool: :rofl
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"I think the 109E-3 was to be a carrier fighter"
It was the Bf-109T. It had several modifications including a slightly wider landing gear track and a greater wingspan. It would be interesting to know how this altered its performance.
There's a brief profile of the 109T, and a drawing, in Osprey's "BF 109 F/G/K Aces of the Western Front". They were stationed in Norway. I have no idea what they achieved, or if any survive today. Norway survives today.
There's a short article about them here:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avbf109_2.html
Just do a text search for "toni". Toni Basil is famous for her novelty one-off hit single "Mickey". Mickey is a mouse. Bark comes from trees. Thank you.
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just take a B24 or 17, it's real easy if u know how to do it. 25% gives you about 20-30 mins of flying time(so i believe) and 12x 500lb in a b24 is enough. or take a ki67 or B26. B26,B24,and B17 isn't made for Cv but it still take off from it.:aok
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Originally posted by Debonair
Cliff Claven:D :D :D :D :D :D :cool: :cool: :rofl
Sorry, didn't know the exact spelling of the last name :aok
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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't know about the Essex, but the Franklin was hit by a bomb. The Judy in question got away.
Picture posted at http://www.navsource.org shows the Franklin shortly after the impact. I couldn't get a link to work to post the picture.
Caption posted with this picture:
"A Japanese kamikaze hits the flight deck of USS Franklin (CV-13), October 30, 1944.
Official U.S. Navy Photograph."
According to the website, three kamikazes attacked. One hit the water, one hit the Franklin, and the third missed the Franklin and hit the Belleau Wood
According to the U.S. Navy history website, she was actually struck 3 different times. The first was bomb that did little damage. The second was the suicide attack, and the third was again bombs. I suppose we could be talking about different incidents.
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I have two books by pilots that were on the Franklin.
One was aloft during the attack & was diverted to another CV where they took his plane & sent him home,
The other guy was aboard, but both their stories were the same. They had armed, fueled planes all over the place & the resulting fast chain reaction made containment near impossible (probably tough to figure out which attack was responsible for which damage too). Apparently there were a lot of Tiny Tim rockets in those fires too...OMG rockets the size of torps witha 500lb warhead is a BIG firecracker
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Originally posted by pwnt mk.II
Cliff Claven
Sam Malone "Man, you're OLD!":O :O :huh :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Debonair
I have two books by pilots that were on the Franklin.
One was aloft during the attack & was diverted to another CV where they took his plane & sent him home,
The other guy was aboard, but both their stories were the same. They had armed, fueled planes all over the place & the resulting fast chain reaction made containment near impossible (probably tough to figure out which attack was responsible for which damage too). Apparently there were a lot of Tiny Tim rockets in those fires too...OMG rockets the size of torps witha 500lb warhead is a BIG firecracker
zOMG...plain English. Where's teh 1337N355//?/???/?//
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