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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: B@tfinkV on January 21, 2007, 06:21:17 PM
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which do you think is better overall as a dogfighter and why?
this is no loaded question, im interested in all opinions.
i would have to say on an overall estimation the P51 i prefer and find easier to fly.
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IMHO
Mk XIV .
Has the ability to burn and gain E better.
Bronk
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i'd have to disagree. pony's flaps are alot more usefull than the spixteen imo and handles better if fight got down to the nitty gritty. (rollin sissors)
Ponies (http://media.putfile.com/Perfect-Enemies)
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Originally posted by TW9
i'd have to disagree. pony's flaps are alot more usefull than the spixteen imo and handles better if fight got down to the nitty gritty. (rollin sissors)
Ponies (http://media.putfile.com/Perfect-Enemies)
Wrong spit TW.
Bronk
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14 even worse in stalls.. still sticking with pony. :aok
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In this case I see XIV as a perfect 109. That said, my money is on Spit :)
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Spit... It has cannons for the opening HO. ;)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
In this case I see XIV as a perfect 109. That said, my money is on Spit :)
I agree. Given equal pilots, the P-51 usually dies. Think about this: The P-51, even with full flaps, has a larger turning radius than a clean Spit14 and a much lower turn rate. In fact, actual testing shows that using more than 3 notches of flaps gain little decrease in turn radius, but dramatically reduces turn rate. Not a positive exchange. This situation came about after the latest drag model tweaks. Prior to that, I'd give the P-51 a 50-50 chance.
My regards,
Widewing
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yes but with the spits torque how well is it going to handle at a low speed and full flaps? (pony) :-)
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Originally posted by TW9
yes but with the spits torque how well is it going to handle at a low speed and full flaps? (pony) :-)
Only one way to find out :cool:
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would be interesting, the p51 can dump E alot faster, i think.
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Originally posted by TW9
yes but with the spits torque how well is it going to handle at a low speed and full flaps? (pony) :-)
Their props rotate in opposite directions. Spit needs to make it a right-turn fight...
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hmmm, i dunno, the pony has a far greater range,good armament for ground atk but spit16 have a better manuverbility and cannons. if i were to pick between the 2 of them, i pick the spit.
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Originally posted by bozon
Their props rotate in opposite directions. Spit needs to make it a right-turn fight...
just what i was thinking. if you aren't used to the 14, i can see an all out stallfight being very difficult for the spit pilot.
overall, i would put my money on the pony, it's a better package as a hunter, better guns, plenty of ammo, but in a duel, the spit is more lethal. 14 is much less of a turner though, it's the late war hunter just like the pony.
i personally would rather be flying the pony, as it's much more comfortable. that said, the spit 14 is a monster, and in a 1 on 1, the spit will have the edge, but it's up to the pilot to utilise that edge, which can be difficult without experience.
anyone up to testing the matchup?
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Would be an interesting fight. I love the P51 as poo states its very much a hunters plane and not an out and out dogfighter.
I need to start flying that 14 more. Just love the spit 9 too much.
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well this isnt a good guage, but i survive and get more kills, and enjoy my sorties more in a 51d, granted this is alot of pilot preference but can surely still be used as an indication to some degree
ofcourse people are going to argue that i dont know how to fly the spit, maybe so, maybe thats because the 51d is the better plane?
good discussion tho, although when i fly, im usually flying a low bnz, e-fighting style, and am still weary of the spits ability to grab E from nowhere :P
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Originally posted by bozon
Their props rotate in opposite directions. Spit needs to make it a right-turn fight...
Don't be too sure about that. I've recently fought two Spit XIV's (on seperate occasions) with a Spit XVI, both in left turn fights and, while I did win, the XIV put up a good fight turning left.
Considering that they were almost as good in a left turn as a XVI I'd say the Spit wins vs. the P-51D.
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LAst week I owned a spit 14 in a one on one, total fluke lol.
Thing I noticed, while the p51 at low speed may want to roll over and nose in, the spit 14 will do it alot sooner.
Also it seems if you push the 14 to much you can lose it and it may be hard to recover.
I pick the 51, but then again, I love flying it.
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1 on 1 .. equal pilots.. pony doesn't have a chance. Admit it you 51 lovers. It is perked for a reason.
Climb/Acceleration .. Spit14
Turn Rate .. Spit14
Turn Radius .. Spit14
Speed .. Spit14 (7k+ spit is faster .. on deck 51 is only 4mph faster )
Armament .. Spit14 (you really want to argue against hispanos in this game?)
I think this is a mini-Batfink troll :)
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Agreed, all things being equal, Spit XIV wins hands down. As a better plane overall, the Pony is much more usefull. It's 2 different questions really.
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i still rate the pony :)
not so much in the 1 on 1 spit vs pony sense, more in the general MA dogfighting sense which is better suited to flying, killing and not dying.
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Originally posted by TW9
yes but with the spits torque how well is it going to handle at a low speed and full flaps? (pony) :-)
Well, XIV has nasty handling bellow 150mph or so. At 120mph you pretty much hit the limit. It needs gentle hand on throttle or nose will just jump around whenever you change throttle setting or go WEP. Slow verticals with combat trim on are certain death. It will simply refuse to roll to the left. Manual trim does help a little but not much.
Spit has all advantages at high and medium speeds. If Pony manages to slow down the fight it has very good chance to win, but it has to come that far first.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
not so much in the 1 on 1 spit vs pony sense, more in the general MA dogfighting sense which is better suited to flying, killing and not dying.
I'd still rate XIV more lethal, although if you consider easy of handling (in comparison to XIV), range, etc, yeah Pony might be better choice...
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I'd love to see some DA action on this question between some of the better sticks in this game. Widewing and Murdr leap to mind Schatzi and Gosth. But it's fun to watch them fly anything so long as they're not on the other team and in my general vicinity ;)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Well, XIV has nasty handling bellow 150mph or so. At 120mph you pretty much hit the limit. It needs gentle hand on throttle or nose will just jump around whenever you change throttle setting or go WEP. Slow verticals with combat trim on are certain death. It will simply refuse to roll to the left. Manual trim does help a little but not much.
Spit has all advantages at high and medium speeds. If Pony manages to slow down the fight it has very good chance to win, but it has to come that far first.
we'll try it tomorrow vent :)
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roll film please biggles this is one I'd like to watch from both perspectives
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hey BH hit me up when ur online.. think it would be fun to fight these.. i think im in orange or u can just do the .p tw9 command.
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well i tried it vs a squaddie and well everytime he got in trouble all he had to do was wep and go vert and eventually i'd die.. in other words i was wrong.. Spit14 pwns Pony
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Spitfire XIV.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
more in the general MA dogfighting sense which is better suited to flying, killing and not dying.
I will never grasp the not dying part
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Spitfire XIV is the sexiest spit we have.
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Originally posted by lagger86
I will never grasp the not dying part
me niether thats why i need other's opinions on it :D
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IMHO
The only prop ac that can go 1 on 1 with the XIV is the 4hog.
Bronk