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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on January 22, 2007, 08:10:29 AM
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The thread about Hillary and Obama has caused me to wonder about their possible opponents in that election.
Who has tossed their hat into the ring so far? Who would be the most formidable nominee for the Republicans?
Arkansas' former governor, Mike Huckabee, has formed an exploratory committee and is attempting to raise funds for a run. Do NOT vote for this man. He is a closet socialist....a sheep in wolf's clothing. He loves using the power of the government and he never met a regulation that he didn't like.
In addition, ethical questions are going to cause him some problems. He has a reputation for taking personal gifts from those he has granted favors. When he left office a couple of weeks ago he depleted the emergency fund of the governor's office, set at $500,000 a year, to crush the hard drives on 83 government computers, thus destroying information which the public has a right to see under the Arkansas Freedom of Information Act.
Huckabee also covered for a croney on the Pardon and Paroles Board in the same fashion, refusing to release a file of complaints about the man's conduct, when said file was also covered by the Freedom of Information Act. The Huckster refused to release it even when a newspaper sued, and won, to have the paper released to the public domain.
I personally know the man that Huckabee was covering for. I've done business with him...and he's as crooked as a barrel of snakes. I can't prove it, but the only reason I can think of for Huckabee to have bent over backwards to defend the man was because the little sleazebag had something on him.
The paper was not released until two days after Huck left office....and it was released by the incoming governor Mike Bebee.
Richard Nixon would be proud.
Surely there are better candidates out there than this caricature of a Baptist/socialist/money-grubbing shyster.
Who would make the best candidate?
Regards, Shuckins
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Well since I'm retiring from the military and don't have anything lined up just yet, maybe I'll run.
Want to know my stance on issues, just ask.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Surely there are better candidates out there than this caricature of a Baptist/socialist/money-grubbing shyster.
not to hijack this thread, but why include "Baptist" in the tag line when you don't refer to it anywhere else in your write-up/comment?
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My 2008 prediction is we wil have the worst candidates to vote for in the history of the U.S.
And no matter who wins, we all lose.
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I don't think he was using "Baptist" in a bad way. I think he was implying that Huckabee try's to come off as a good southern Baptist Christian, but is really just a POS giving real Christains a bad name, hence the "caricature" part.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My 2008 prediction is we wil have the worst candidates to vote for in the history of the U.S.
And no matter who wins, we all lose.
That was what I said in 2004. :( I remember standing in the voting booth and wanting to write in "None of the above".
Surely it's got to be better than that. I have high hopes for McCain.
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Ron Paul. Might actually get me to vote R again... McCain's worthless. He's shown himself to be as spineless and wishy-washy as the rest of his peers.
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gotta agree that it is looking like skuzzy is right about this election... worse candidates in history to choose from.
lazs
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forHIM,
Huckabee is an ex-Southern Baptist minister. I'm a Southern Baptist...but Huckabee has proven to be a big disappointment. No slur against Baptists themselves was intended.
While I've voted for him twice in the past it will not happen again.
Regards, Shuckins
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there ws talk a while back about Tommy Thompson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Thompson) at least locally...
he was a GREAT governor, and was a possible VP candidate in the past.
he doesn't really have the backing, or national attention needed though IMHO.
couple of notables of his career:
Thompson's most noted initiatives during his nearly 14 years as governor of Wisconsin were his Wisconsin Works welfare reform and school choice programs. In 1990, Thompson enacted the nation's first parental school-choice program, allowing low-income Milwaukee families to send children to the private or public school of their choice.
though I know some of those are really touchy subjects in here... AHEM Skuzzy lol
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Glenn Beck in 08! :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
Glenn Beck in 08! :)
you sick twisted freak...
:)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My 2008 prediction is we wil have the worst candidates to vote for in the history of the U.S.
And no matter who wins, we all lose.
Can't get any worse than what we have now.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Can't get any worse than what we have now.
WRONG!
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I hear the clarion call!
(http://www.homeofheroes.com/wings/part1/hatinring_small.gif)
Vote Toad in '08!
New slogan:
How much worse could he be?
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If McCaine wins, the demos will have still won the White House.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Can't get any worse than what we have now.
I hope you really do not believe that.
A couple of truisms.
No matter how bad it is, it can always be worse.
No matter how good it is, it can always get better.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I hope you really do not believe that.
A couple of truisms.
No matter how bad it is, it can always be worse.
No matter how good it is, it can always get better.
Truisms maybe, though they are smacking of "truthiness" about now. I think Bush is about the worst President we've had in my lifetime, and maybe the worst since Harding. So chances are it won't get worse, and I'll bet it doesn't.
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Truthiness? No clue what that means. Those phrases are indeed truisms.
I dunt like Bush either and I agree he is the worst President this nation has had. I would say in the history of the U.S. he is the worst.
However, the current candidates we are looking at are not any better, in my opinion, and worse in some ways, but none of them are leaders. A couple are power-mongers, like Bush. But I do not see an actual leader in the lot, so far.
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Interesting how the media places shadows on those who they don't like. For every bad thing you hear about Bush, there's about three good things the media has buried.
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Bush is bad because of Iraq? You need only go back so far as Vietnam to find Johnson sitting in the same boat. Let's not forget the more recent president who did nothing to deter terrorism for 8 years which is arguably responsible for the 9/11 attack.
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I could be wrong but I think LBJ has it all over Bush for screwing up the office and the nation. Then again they're both texans.......
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Originally posted by Shuckins
forHIM,
Huckabee is an ex-Southern Baptist minister. I'm a Southern Baptist...but Huckabee has proven to be a big disappointment. No slur against Baptists themselves was intended.
While I've voted for him twice in the past it will not happen again.
Regards, Shuckins
Thanks for the info. I didn't know he was a former minister. No offense taken, I was just wondering where that "descriptive" term came in.
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If you only dislike Bush due to the Iraq fiasco, then you are pretty shallow. There are far more reasons to dislike hime than to like him though.
Originally posted by Maverick
I could be wrong but I think LBJ has it all over Bush for screwing up the office and the nation. Then again they're both texans.......
Please stop spreading that lie about Bush being a Texan. He relocated here from the North East. He was not born here.
I still rank Bush as being far worse than even LBJ.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I could be wrong but I think LBJ has it all over Bush for screwing up the office and the nation. Then again they're both texans.......
Ironic ain't it? One of our most conservative presidents, Reagan, from Kalifornia and one of our most liberal, LBJ, from Texas.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
If you only dislike Bush due to the Iraq fiasco, then you are pretty shallow. There are far more reasons to dislike hime than to like him though.
I don't dislike him for Iraq but will be interested to hear other reasons why you or others despise him. Assuming you aren't referring to his speaking inability.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
If you only dislike Bush due to the Iraq fiasco, then you are pretty shallow. There are far more reasons to dislike hime than to like him though.
I concur wholeheartedly. :aok
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Despise is too strong a word. I do not believe he is a capable leader. He stumbles around about his decisions and makes poor ones. He honors those who are complete screwups and ignores the heroes.
I do not like the man. His lies are far too transparent. To me, he is closer to being a coward, than a leader.
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I think he's done some things right including his offensive against Islamic extremists. I will be unhappy if he yields to the doves now controlling congress.
I do not like his soft position on illegal immigrants and would really like to see that become a key issue in the '08 election but I believe neither party wants it to be.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I dunt like Bush either and I agree he is the worst President this nation has had. I would say in the history of the U.S. he is the worst.
in terms of long term "damage" done to this country (by way of compromising the Constitution), my vote for worst would be Lincoln.
However, the current candidates we are looking at are not any better
IMHO, Ron Paul would be a HUGE improvement. He is one man I believe would take his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" seriously.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Truthiness? No clue what that means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
It was named word of the year for 2005 by the American Dialect Society and for 2006 by Merriam-Webster.
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You dispute those two phrases as being truisms? Ok,. hehe...that is rather funny.
Or am I taking it out of context? Or would you better believe some link on the Internet? I can gin one of those up pretty quickly that has as much basis in reality as many links quoted on this board.
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(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/72/250px-Colbert-truthiness.jpg)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
You dispute those two phrases as being truisms? Ok,. hehe...that is rather funny.
Or am I taking it out of context? Or would you better believe some link on the Internet? I can gin one of those up pretty quickly that has as much basis in reality as many links quoted on this board.
I haven't seen Skuzzy on the hook like this for quite some time.
MT, you have the Catch of the Day :D
(http://www.geocities.com/bfcdental/linder1.jpg)
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Unfortunately the last 3 elections the Republican party made the primary process a moot point and had GWB and Dole "the ordained ones" while other really good candidates were trashed horribly in the interest of party "unity". I really liked and respected Bob Dole although he was not my favorite. I believe the only thing that I like about GWB has been the global war on terror, especially since was has been delared and has been waged on us since 1979. One person to be horribly trashed by his own party was Pat Buchanan who warned about trade imbalances with China and the other countries and about illegal immigration.
I will vote for the candidate that will seal the border and start mass "express lane" deportations for all illegals - including "anchor babies".
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Originally posted by lukster
Let's not forget the more recent president who did nothing to deter terrorism for 8 years which is arguably responsible for the 9/11 attack.
This is a completely untrue statement. I am no fan of Clinton, but he did not just sit on his hands regarding terrorism as you suggest.
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Originally posted by oboe
This is a completely untrue statement. I am no fan of Clinton, but he did not just sit on his hands regarding terrorism as you suggest.
If Monica was a terrorist, then 'yes', Bill did have his hands all over it, and then some...
I feel safer already....
:D
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in the lifetimes of both mt and skuzzy there have been two worse presidents...
lbj and carter. they rival only fdr and lincoln as the worst of all time.
lazs
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Originally posted by oboe
This is a completely untrue statement. I am no fan of Clinton, but he did not just sit on his hands regarding terrorism as you suggest.
Yet he did nothing when he was offered Usama Bin Ladin.
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noone else excited about Ron Paul in '08?
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Originally posted by lazs2
in the lifetimes of both mt and skuzzy there have been two worse presidents...
lbj and carter. they rival only fdr and lincoln as the worst of all time.
lazs
so Ford was a good president?
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All presidents make a few bad decisions in their terms.
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Things work best when one party is in the legislative, and the other party in executive. Checks and balances are what it's all about.
On the subject of Clinton...I still find it odd to this day how Clinton was nearly impeached for adultery, but yet Bush has yet to face anything but media criticism for the war in Iraq.
I just hope the next president is able to mend the polarization the current administration has fostered.
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Originally posted by republic
Things work best when one party is in the legislative, and the other party in executive. Checks and balances are what it's all about.
On the subject of Clinton...I still find it odd to this day how Clinton was nearly impeached for adultery, but yet Bush has yet to face anything but media criticism for the war in Iraq.
I just hope the next president is able to mend the polarization the current administration has fostered.
Clinton was impeached (acquitted) for lying under oath. The investigation was never about adultry but rather about sexual abuse and/or harrassment.
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two things republican fathers don't want to hear...
1.)Hillary wins the presidency..
2.)Shortly after Hillary wins the presidency have their daughter come home happy becuase she won an internship at the white house...
:O
Of course Democrat fathers wouldn't care becuase what a man does in the oval office is his own buisness...
:lol
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Originally posted by lukster
Clinton was impeached (acquitted) for lying under oath.
*scratches his head* Hmm, lemme think for a minute about another president who lied to the country....
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*scratches his head* Hmm, lemme think for a minute about another president who never lied to the country....
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While you're thinking, see if you can come up with some actual proof he lied.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Clinton?? Verified proof curtesy of the FBI forensics lab.
IIRC he was impeached but the congress declined to prosecute. I don't recall him being acquitted. I could be wrong though since the congress folded on it from lack of spine.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Clinton?? Verified proof curtesy of the FBI forensics lab.
IIRC he was impeached but the congress declined to prosecute. I don't recall him being acquitted. I could be wrong though since the congress folded on it from lack of spine.
I believe he was acquitted by the Senate. I may have the terminology wrong but the Senate definitely let him off the hook.
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Originally posted by lukster
I believe he was acquitted by the Senate. I may have the terminology wrong but the Senate definitely let him off the hook.
Thanks to the great Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania...
so Ford was a good president?
I'd rate Ford average. Clinton below average, but only that high for the dumb luck of being president during the right time (tech boom). Bush Jr. gets average.
The lowest ranked presidents? Carter, FDR, and JFK. Lincoln did some pretty bad things, but that didn't make him a bad president.
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Given the circumstances that Ford stepped into the office under, I give him high points. Not because the country suddenly became the envy of all living people, just because he was handed an impossible job and handled it well leaving the country a better place.
I think the country would have been better off if he had beaten the peanut farmer.
I went back and looked again at the impeachment situation. Yep clintoon got off when the senate caved on a slam dunk perjury case. The House did it's part.
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Originally posted by Toad
While you're thinking, see if you can come up with some actual proof he lied.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
roflol
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Originally posted by lukster
Clinton was impeached (acquitted) for lying under oath. The investigation was never about adultry but rather about sexual abuse and/or harrassment.
This is so wrong, the investigation started because of the Whitewater 'scandal'. That gave the right the leverage to investigate anything and everything concerning Clinton.
It's gonna be Dea Vu all over again in the next few months, got my popcorn cooker warmed up.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
This is so wrong, the investigation started because of the Whitewater 'scandal'. That gave the right the leverage to investigate anything and everything concerning Clinton.
It's gonna be Dea Vu all over again in the next few months, got my popcorn cooker warmed up.
Sorry flatbar but it was most definitely about sexual harrasment. Remember Paula Jones? This will refresh your memory: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/pjones.htm
Lying under oath about sexual harrassment or misconduct is not good but Clinton is guilty of so much worse that I really don't see how anyone can defend him.
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what happed to this thread discussing possible Republican candidates for 2008?
no one even said if they think the only 3 mentioned are worthwhile candidates.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
what happed to this thread discussing possible Republican candidates for 2008?
no one even said if they think the only 3 mentioned are worthwhile candidates.
Gingrich will throw his hat in the ring. Should there be any public debates he will come out on top.
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he will also win if there is a weigh-in
OMG a fatso LOLOLLOLLOLOLLOLOLL
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My 2008 prediction is we wil have the worst candidates to vote for in the history of the U.S.
And no matter who wins, we all lose.
And I, am in complete agreement.
which is why Im either going to abstain out of disgust. or vote 3rd party if for no other reason then to show the two biggies that neither impress the hell out of me
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Originally posted by Mustaine
what happed to this thread discussing possible Republican candidates for 2008?
no one even said if they think the only 3 mentioned are worthwhile candidates.
I've been throwing Ron Paul's name out there. for a cynical libertarian like myself I feel a twinge of hope at the thought of him as prez.
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I'm considering on running.
My platform will be:
Make beer illegal except for microbrews.
Export Bud and Miller to 3rd world countries.
Monday and Thursday nights that NFL is on TV, is a national holiday.
Liberal voters are drafted and placed on the front lines. (Hey, Iran did it in the Iran/Iraq war, why not us?)
All illegal aliens are rounded up and deported.
Any funding for research of killer viruses(AIDS, etc), for which there has never been a cure for in history, are redirected to creating alternative fuels in order to make the Middle East kings 3rd world status once again.
Free health care only for those who earn a living.
Make pot legal, create more prison space for hard drug users such as Meth. Min. 10 year sentence if busted for hard drugs.
Ban tabacco.
DUI's: First offense you lose your license for 60 days. Second offense you lose your license for life.
Level 3 sex offenders are castrated. Preferably by police, if caught in the act.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Export Bud and Miller to 3rd world countries.
Yeah, start another war
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(http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trp10.jpg)
Now here is a President that we all need.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Now here is a President that we all need.
The only good Roosevelt, he was a little bit of a tree hugger but he meant well... He was one of the few in the past 100 years or so that actually "Had a pair".
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<<<<~~~~ Throwin my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm voted in on a third Party ticket.. called: American.
1. We safeguard our borders, North and South, East and West.
2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
3. The UN is outta the USA... send these corrupt bassturds to France or where ever...just get them out, after they pay all their parking tickets.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
6. NAFTA is out.
7. All ExPresidents are just that... Ex Presidents. So STFU.
8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Seperation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
...Liberal voters are drafted and placed on the front lines. (Hey, Iran did it in the Iran/Iraq war, why not us?)...
...Make pot legal, create more prison space for hard drug users such as Meth. Min. 10 year sentence if busted for hard drugs.
Ban tabacco.
DUI's: First offense you lose your license for 60 days. Second offense you lose your license for life....
send me teh postcard frum irak u big .gov nany stait librl:furious :mad: :mad: :mad:
(he must've been "high" when he wrote it)
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Are there 8 possible Republican candidates or so? Hopefully, the RNC will choose better. Better to run the best man or woman and let the chips fall where they may than run Senator or Govenor Bloviate because they look good on TV and are more "electable."
Yes, I know. Idealistic. And darn proud of it. A pox on you naysayers. I'm hoping for 2 very good candidates.
All the Best,
hap
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Seriously I'm in...
Just need you to vote.
:aok
Mac
I'll debate anyone....
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Originally posted by Hap
Are there 8 possible Republican candidates or so? Hopefully, the RNC will choose better. Better to run the best man or woman and let the chips fall where they may than run Senator or Govenor Bloviate because they look good on TV and are more "electable."
Yes, I know. Idealistic. And darn proud of it. A pox on you naysayers. I'm hoping for 2 very good candidates.
All the Best,
hap
Nothing wrong with being idealistic or hopeful even. It takes up the slack for those of us who have finally grown tired and weary of beating our heads against the walls.
I have reached the stage of, "we will never have a person in any office who will do the right thing".
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Originally posted by AWMac
<<<<~~~~ Throwin my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm voted in on a third Party ticket.. called: American.
2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
:aok I vote mac! Good balance of right/left, that's what this country needs.
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the way I rate presidents is in how much lasting harm they have done. Ford can be a blip in the radar... he really did no harm.
LBJ and the great society... the worst of the horrendous welfare system that is a legacy of misery and wasted money... Lincoln has a legacy of destroying states rights.... fairly important... FDR a legacy of socialism and big government..
Bush? appointed some good SC judges... passed some protection of industry bills and lowered taxes and helped the economy... bumbled through a war and didn't veto enough and... maybe worst of all...tried to expand powers of government with a bogus "war on terror" at home... hopefully... we can get rid of these things before some socialist gets in power and realizes how useful these powers can be to him and his socialist agenda.
lazs
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Originally posted by AWMac
<<<<~~~~ Throwin my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm voted in on a third Party ticket.. called: American.
1. We safeguard our borders, North and South, East and West.
2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
3. The UN is outta the USA... send these corrupt bassturds to France or where ever...just get them out, after they pay all their parking tickets.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
6. NAFTA is out.
7. All ExPresidents are just that... Ex Presidents. So STFU.
8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Seperation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
#'s 4 & 11......how will these be funded?
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Originally posted by Donzo
#'s 4 & 11......how will these be funded?
By removing the subsidies for big oil companies....and a multitude of pork barrel spending could actually be given some *gasp* oversight.
Besides that...are we saying that we don't want to educate or provide care for our citizens because it costs too much? It must be nice to have sufficient wealth to not have need for government...but as a teacher....I see the other side of that coin every day. Poverty breeds more poverty.
The only thing that can keep our nation ahead of the curve...is if we continue the innovation that is distinctly American. The only way to do that is to provide the best education and health care to our citizens.
We have to begin to think about our place in the world in relation to China...and in some other way than "we can just nook em".
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or even #8. How do you fund number 8?
remove tax breaks for oil companies? you mean tax em more republic? More taxes to pay for bigger government? More cost at the pump is gonna help me how?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
More cost at the pump is gonna help me how?
lazs
Thats the problem. No matter what we do, it's going to cost something. But...at the moment we don't seem to have a problem with spending vast sums of money. School vouchers are NOT an alternative...for more reasons than I have strength to type.
I'm not saying I have the answers, but we need to have a public debate about these things. It seems no one understands the word compromise anymore... Surely there is a way to balance the needs of society, with the almighty dollar.
I fear the '08 debates are going to be 100% Iraq... While that is a very important issue...it should not be the ONLY issue.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My 2008 prediction is we wil have the worst candidates to vote for in the history of the U.S.
And no matter who wins, we all lose.
Yeah, I tend to agree... Usually, there is one person that stands out among the crowd, but unless something comes up soon, Republicans may be the last one standing when the music stops...
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Democrat, Independent, Republican make the label makes no difference to me.
Medical care, foreign policy, marriage, abortion, domestic policy, tax structure, education, manufacturing, immigration . . . in no particular order, off the top of my head these will be the things I will be listening for.
And listening over the long-haul from now until November '08. Tons of stuff will be bandied about with Tabloid Journalism crowing over the backyard fence. Much of it is ignorable.
I'm happy I'm sans TV and can cull what I need from print and the internet news sites. Still sensational, but much easier to control than the other box with lights and wires.
hap
p.s. I am resigned that my "policy list" will not be shared buy a single candidate.
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Poverty breeds more poverty.
Laziness breeds more poverty. It's damn near socialistic to think that people are in the situation they are in because they can't do anything else.
Oh yeah, 12 more years til I can legally run for president Skuzz. But I suspect I'll be leading the US way before that...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
But I suspect I'll be leading the US way before that...
Why do you suspect that? Did your authorization for ego reduction surgery come through?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Level 3 sex offenders are castrated. Preferably by police, if caught in the act.
Yeah wouldn't want your level 1's and 2's to go against your platform eh? Seeing as how so many of them are, well...your potential constituency.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Oh yeah, 12 more years til I can legally run for president Skuzz. But I suspect I'll be leading the US way before that...
So you have a head start on getting corrupted? :)
I have considered running, as I am prone to shoot off my mouth a lot about this area of concern, but I am also prone to want to do something about it.
However, it is my firm belief an honest man cannot win any political office. And the higher you go, the more corrupt you must become to get there.
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Originally posted by Toad
Why do you suspect that? Did your authorization for ego reduction surgery come through?
It's his charm and charisma. ;)
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social programs breed poverty just as abortion clinics breed abortions. The more government "anti poverty" programs we have the worse off we will be. they are nothing but a way to keep people in poverty while providing a way for criminals to scam taxpayer money...
vouchers are the only fair way for more reasons than I have the energy to type... public schools are failing us and it is probly teachers who think poverty breeds poverty and that we can tax our way into prosperity who are to blame for public schools failure with their smug, closed society and unwillingness to allow competition...
TR was the best pres we ever had. A return to those values would be a very good thing.
Compromise is not always a good thing... you don't compromise with those who would take away your rights for instance... the people who most want compromise are those who want to take from you it would seem to me... They are the ones unable to see right and wrong and only see various shades of gray.
lazs
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Hugo Chavez in 08!!!!!!! He has rebuilt his country from US's secret whippin boy to a independent nation that is now in the worlds focusand respected by many for the balls to stand up to American pressure (and had survived US backed assassination attempts....now with help from Chinese SF). Capitalism took a backseat to takin care of his people. If money is more important to you than your fellow countryman than you have got it all backwards. He is the best conservative for the job....otherwise expect Obama Hussein or Clinton to be ur next prez.......Gotta love America!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl
Vote Chavez '08
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Originally posted by chancevought
Hugo Chavez in 08!!!!!!! He has rebuilt his country from US's secret whippin boy to a independent nation that is now in the worlds focusand respected by many for the balls to stand up to American pressure (and had survived US backed assassination attempts....now with help from Chinese SF). Capitalism took a backseat to takin care of his people. If money is more important to you than your fellow countryman than you have got it all backwards. He is the best conservative for the job....otherwise expect Obama Hussein or Clinton to be ur next prez.......Gotta love America!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl
Vote Chavez '08
drugs are bad mmmkaay?
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See Rule #2, #4, #5
You are one post away from being booted from this board.
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see above.
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Originally posted by chancevought
....jus tryin to figure out u guys' logic using sarcasm and irony...
CV,
No sense in trying to make sense out of the senseless.
Hey, your initials, spelled backwards...are "VC"
:noid
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Originally posted by lazs2
TR was the best pres we ever had. A return to those values would be a very good thing.
lazs
I agree about TR, but I'm thinking you've missed a few chapters in your history book.
"Let the watchwords of all our people be the old familiar watchwords of honesty, decency, fair-dealing, and commonsense."... "We must treat each man on his worth and merits as a man. We must see that each is given a square deal, because he is entitled to no more and should receive no less.""The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
Plus....
He appointed a known conservationist to run his newly formed "National Park Service"
The Bull Moose party platform - "New Nationalism" - included direct election of U.S. Senators, the creation of an initiative, referendum, and recall process, woman suffrage, a national tariff reduction, child labor laws, old-age pensions, and other social reforms.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
so Ford was a good president?
Actually, considering the times, he was the best America could hope for.
Never elected to the office (or to VP for that matter), was smart enough to pardon Nixon so the country did not continue to tear itself apart over the next three to six years (think the Clinton impeachment, only longer, and a lot worse in all respects....), and didn't really manage to screw anything up too badly while in the office.
Not only served in the military, but with distinction, during WWII. Survived 2 assassination attempts (good thing women can't shoot straight ...lol!). He was a Republican President hamstrung by a Democratic controlled Congress which could override any veto of his easily. Oversaw the withdraw from Vietnam, aftermath of Watergate, the Helsinki Accords, swine-fly pandemic scare, and very rough economy with high inflation, 70's oil shock....
....and he probably accomplished more after his Presidency than during it. He and Carter probably both have done more than any of their fellow former Presidents, by keeping so active.
A great President? No....but we don't get those anymore. Actually, we don't get great leaders in politics or the military as a general rule these days. And you can find fault in ANY President from history. But Ford was a good president, not thought of that way at the time, but history seems to be making that judgment now that he was better than many.
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Originally posted by lazs2
or even #8. How do you fund number 8?
remove tax breaks for oil companies? you mean tax em more republic? More taxes to pay for bigger government? More cost at the pump is gonna help me how?
lazs
Have the farmer supply fuel. Biodiesel to run all diesels. Then we could save money on farmer subsidies, save 100 billion and a few lives a year securing foreign oil, collect actual income taxes from the farmers, and not have to suck in diesel fumes when we get stuck behind a bus or truck.
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Really.
What will you do when the price of food skyrockets because all the corn is going into biodiesel?
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u should get off that all corn diet, that cant be healthy plus their r other good foods too, u knoe...but u r right, corn prety much owns & u cant have chilli w/out cornbread, witch is made from corn
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Originally posted by Debonair
u should get off that all corn diet, that cant be healthy plus their r other good foods too, u knoe...but u r right, corn prety much owns & u cant have chilli w/out cornbread, witch is made from corn
While I do like cornbread it's crackers that civilized people eat with chili.
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Cretins eat crackers or cornbread with chili.
You need flour tortillas ...fire toasted.
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i prefer corn tortilas:aok:aok:aokto flour:mad::mad::mad:
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Originally posted by Toad
Really.
What will you do when the price of food skyrockets because all the corn is going into biodiesel?
keep using corn for food. allow farmers to grow hemp, which is a more effecient source of biomass than corn is. use hemp for biofuel.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
keep using corn for food. allow farmers to grow hemp, which is a more effecient source of biomass than corn is. use hemp for biofuel.
Plus we could smoke it, then we wouldn't care if we had to walk.
shamus
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Originally posted by Toad
Really.
What will you do when the price of food skyrockets because all the corn is going into biodiesel?
Become a farmer
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Ah, I see. The solution is for everyone to become a farmer.
Gotcha. That will make for interesting landscapes in our large cities.
Seriously, have you compared the amount of corn required to run all diesels on biodiesel with the amount of corn raised in the US and the amount of corn consumed as foodstuffs in the US?
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The biodiesel issue has already made a significant impact on the availability of corn. Mexico has already publicised the price of corn has affected the tortilla industry. That would be the equivalent of the bread industry here in the US having to ration flour for bread. The story that was broadcast was that it was directly due to the diversion of food corn to biodiesel.
There is only so much arable land availlable for food and other farm production like biodiesel. The demand for various bio matter for fuel will have an impact on food prices and a minimal impact on fuel usage.
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Originally posted by Toad
Ah, I see. The solution is for everyone to become a farmer.
Gotcha. That will make for interesting landscapes in our large cities.
Seriously, have you compared the amount of corn required to run all diesels on biodiesel with the amount of corn raised in the US and the amount of corn consumed as foodstuffs in the US?
Oh, I didn't know you could only use corn
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Ethanol could leave the world hungry (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/08/21/8383659/index.htm)
Generally sums up the situation although it focuses on ethanol in this particular article.
...The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol, for instance, could feed one person for a year. If today's entire U.S. grain harvest were converted into fuel for cars, it would still satisfy less than one-sixth of U.S. demand.
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there are american farmers bein given subsidies when there isn't enough to grow...let them grow corn....start growin corn in colombia and peru to offset the farmers growing coca...grow corn in afghanistan to offset the farming of opium (which has has increased exponentially since the US invasion).....keeping our planet alive is important...you need a planet in order to have humans to eat the corn!!!
and why use SUV's as an example???thats ignorant...you use vehicles with better gas mileage...If your so vain that you need a status symbol over bein morally responsible, then eat the gasoline....
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And you're so dim as to realize that SUV's aren't just a "vehicle" for some people.
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IIRC, Brazil is the biggest biofuel producer in the western hemisphere..... they use sugar, which is easier to convert than corn.
And in order to protect American corn producers in the ethanol trade, we have a 100% tariff on Brazilian ethanol..... so they export a lot of it to Japan.
:noid
Of course, if we do turn toward Brazilian ethanol, we probably condemn the rain forest to further slash and burn agriculture....
One of the biggest problems to bio diesel, and ethanol, and pulling the oil out of oil shale, is the power required for many of the processes. Ironic that the most cost efficient way to develop most of these alternative fuels in the quantities to really mean something is the use of nuclear power.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
All kinds of biodiesel, even from wastewater treatment plants (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10381404)
"Biodiesel is becoming of interest to companies interested in commercial scale production as well as the more usual home brew biodiesel user and the user of straight vegetable oil or waste vegetable oil in diesel engines. Homemade biodiesel processors are many and varied. The success of biodiesel homebrewing, and micro-economy-of-scale operations, continues to shatter the conventional business myth that large economy-of-scale operations are the most efficient and profitable. It is becoming increasingly apparent that small-scale, localized, low-impact energy keeps more resources and revenue within communities, reduces damage to the environment, and requires less waste management."
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The SUV is just an example used by the author of the Fortune article. Why don't you call him up and ask him why he chose that particular type?
Biodiesel is better than ethanol but again, it would take a large amount of foodstocks.
If they proceed to making it from ag waste and otherwise useless grasses it will make a difference.
Oh...one other thing.. before you go spouting off and venting, perhaps you should do a little fact checking.
Main Crops in Afghanistan (http://www.icarda.org/afghanistan/NA/PDF/Table6.pdf)
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Originally posted by Toad
Biodiesel is better than ethanol but again, it would take a large amount of foodstocks.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10381404
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i don't understand, do they make ethanol from just the corn kernel or do they use the stalk? last summer i planted corn and the stalks grew so fast you could almost see them grow, 4-5" a day. I was amazed, i planted little kernels and ended up with hugs plants 7'-8' in weeks. Hemp and bamboo are also fast growers.
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That would be a far better solution than using food crops.
Now, any studies on how much fuel full utilization of all sewage will produce? It's feasible but how much will it supply?
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Originally posted by Toad
That would be a far better solution than using food crops.
Now, any studies on how much fuel full utilization of all sewage will produce? It's feasible but how much will it supply?
C'mon, we produce alot of ****:D
But the point is there are many ways to produce it, not just corn.
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Originally posted by john9001
i don't understand, do they make ethanol from just the corn kernel or do they use the stalk?
The have not yet developed a process using the ag waste that is cost effective. It's close an it'll get done but they are not there as yet.
Iogen is one of the leading companies in this research. They are building pilot plants at this stage.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
C'mon, we produce alot of ****:D
But the point is there are many ways to produce it, not just corn.
There are two real points:
1. Using food stocks to make fuel will only exchange one problem for another.
2. The technology for using non- food stock materials is not yet viable.
If we're going to work on anything, I'd say that's the area to focus upon.
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Originally posted by Toad
There are two real points:
1. Using food stocks to make fuel will only exchange one problem for another.
2. The technology for using non- food stock materials is not yet viable.
If we're going to work on anything, I'd say that's the area to focus upon.
Well, there are abundant biological materials which are completely wasted.
Soylent fuel is people!!!
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Originally posted by Toad
The have not yet developed a process using the ag waste that is cost effective. It's close an it'll get done but they are not there as yet.
Iogen is one of the leading companies in this research. They are building pilot plants at this stage.
Actually, I am trying to dig up an old article, and it says we would have to use other sources like sea algae(and seaweed) to run on biodiesel. And that was before they started using algae from wastewater.
c&p from wiki
"Biodiesel can be distributed using today's infrastructure, and its use and production are increasing rapidly. Fuel stations are beginning to make biodiesel available to consumers, and a growing number of transport fleets use it as an additive in their fuel. Biodiesel is generally more expensive to purchase than petroleum diesel but this differential may diminish due to economies of scale, the rising cost of petroleum and government tax subsidies."
Of course there will be transition, but solar energy is infinite(til the sun burns out anyway), plentiful and clean. I see no reason why it cannot be done.
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I'm not saying it couldn't be done.
I'm saying we're a very long way from accomplishing energy independence through biodiesel.
Here's the key from your quote:
Biodiesel is generally more expensive to purchase than petroleum diesel but this differential may diminish due to economies of scale, the rising cost of petroleum and government tax subsidies."
What that says when you boil it down is that petroleum diesel is cheaper than biodiesel.
That's the hurdle we have to overcome. Until biodiesel is as cheap as petroleum diesel or at least a lot closer to it will cost your economy to switch.
Yeah, there are other benefits but I think even you see the problem with using a much more expensive fuel on a very large scale.
Again, they are working on making it cheaper and using waste to produce it is a key factor. That's the area to work on.
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i dont have any pdf's, but it is fact that opium is a huge crop in afghanistan. It is also true that police and border guards are making hundreds of thousand's of dollars PER DAY in the smuggling of opium and heroin...Associated Press really its true..i jus gave an idea...not venting...and no one NEEDS an SUV...my toyota cargo van will carry twice what any SUV will and do it with twice the MPG...many truckers do use biodiesel when it's available and said they would gladly pay the SLIGHTLY higher cost to help the environment....Coal is cheaper than petroleum, but it has penalties that out weight the cost difference....the penalty of using fossil fuels is greater than the challenges it takes to make new technology work...we cant wait and see..if we take small steps now it will make the bigger steps easier....and wasn't this thread about who the republicans are gonna put up for pres?
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Right, but it also says this:
"Biodiesel can be distributed using today's infrastructure, and its use and production are increasing rapidly. Fuel stations are beginning to make biodiesel available to consumers, and a growing number of transport fleets use it as an additive in their fuel. Biodiesel is generally more expensive to purchase than petroleum diesel but this differential may diminish due to economies of scale, the rising cost of petroleum and government tax subsidies."
And I think the wastewater article is pretty good too:
"A New Zealand-based company has become the first to manufacture home-grown bio-diesel using algae extracted from a sewerage pond – an innovation that could have implications for the global bio-science sector.
"We believe this is the world's first commercial production of bio-diesel from algae outside the laboratory, in 'wild' conditions," proclaimed Barrie Leay, spokesperson for Aquaflow Bionomic Corporation, achievers of the milestone.
Algae converts sunlight and carbon dioxide into energy through photosynthesis, in the same way plants do. Excess algae in ponds can smell, since they extract all the nutrients, hence the so-called bio-remediation of stagnant ponds not only cleans water but also provides the sustainable element of environmentally friendly fuel."
This would be great here, the cost of water treatment has driven up water bills in metro Boston to $1600.00 a year!(Thnx G.H. Bush for making the dirty harbor a campaign issue:furious ) It would be nice if some of the costs were offset from the sale of biodiesel.
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Originally posted by chancevought
i dont have any pdf's, but it is fact that opium is a huge crop in afghanistan. It is also true that police and border guards are making hundreds of thousand's of dollars PER DAY in the smuggling of opium and heroin...Associated Press really its true..i jus gave an idea...not venting...and no one NEEDS an SUV...my toyota cargo van will carry twice what any SUV will and do it with twice the MPG...
Chance,
None of us are in a position to determine what someone ELSE really needs. Remember that the UV part of SUV stands for Utility Vehicle. There are tons of them out there and a miriad of different types. Your Toyota Cargo Van is a UV, perhaps not the Sport variety. A lot of them get good mileage too. I know of an SUV that will probably carry more than your van internally while towing a large trailer to boot and with the deisel engine version will get reasonable fuel economy also. In a mpg per ton load capacity it could possibly beat your van.
As far as how much opium Afghanistan produces I have no idea.
Mark
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thats cool...I would like to know what SUV that is. What part of Sport is necessity though? I build custom cars, many with V-8 engines and realize that though they are cool, there is not really a NEED for it. Deisel engines do provide better MPG and I feel they are the best performers MPG-wise and can be fed biodeisel in their stock configuration. I believe this is more responsible too. A UV with a diesel engine makes the most sense (if runnin Bio), but count how many times u see people using them w one occupant and no cargo.....too much. But an SUV is not a good example to cite against biodeseil use......
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The vehicle I speak of is the Ford Excursion. Hugh cargo carrying room when all the seats are down with a really high towing capacity. With the diesel it was around 10,000lbs but don't quote me on that, I don't remember exactly. They are'nt sold much anymore and only available by special order. Here in Texas there is a bunch of them around and most are using deisels. But I have to agree, most seem to be carrying one occupant.
The problem with a vehicle like that is that most of the time it won't be used at it's maximum potential because most people can't afford to own it and let it just sit in the driveway. So you buy a vehicle that will do the work you need it to and it's overkill the rest of the time.
I'd love to have one but havn't been able to justify purchasing one. Don't really need that much truck.
My Mustang does most of what I need a vehicle for but the cargo carrying capacity sucks.
Mark
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chance... there you go again... you like big V8's and doing whatever you want but you think the SuV guys are "ignorant"
What would you do to get people out of those "ignorant" SuV's? Why should you be allowed to drive anything that gets the same or worse mileage? You don't mind restricting others so long as it makes you feel good and you can still do as you please.
lazs
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mt... I think you are the one who needs to read TR a little better.
"welfare" did not mean that he wanted the government to take from everyone and then redistribute that money.
Certainly we should all be concerned about the welfare of our fellows.. the sticking point is in what we do about it. you and chance for instance feel that only taking money from everyone at gunpoint and letting politicians redistribute works....
I believe it should be an individual choice and decision... perhaps if people knew that making bad choices would not be an automatic pay check from the government....
We would have less people making stupid choices? Maybe people who make shameful choices should feel..... shame. Maybe a handout should be acknowleged and recocnized as such and... there should be some gratitude rather than feeling it is owed you by everyone else who is making good choices and working hard.
lazs