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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Golfer on January 22, 2007, 02:18:33 PM
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http://airshowbuzz.com/videos/index.php?id=5
Ed Shipley (on wing) and Dale "Snort" Snodgrass (in lead) perform a "Heritage Flight" and "Dueling Sabres" F86 formation acro routine at the 2005 NAS Oceana Air Show.
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Those are absolutely beautiful aircraft. It's one of the planes I always wanted to fly. I doubt I'll get a chance but who knows, maybe someday...
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iirc there r a place in CA that will do dual in a MiG-15 or 17, but F-86s are historic (:O OMG VVS = PWNT!!!:aok :aok :lol), so i bet u wont find that available without $2million to buy & fly your own.
i can get u some time in a shark mouthed eraly '70s C-150
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I already have about 100 hours in 150s, 152s, and 172s, and another 800ish hours in another (slightly faster and significantly louder) cessna, so I'll pass on the C-150 offer. But thanks anyhow :)
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But it didnt show Snodgrass's patented no-wheels landing :(
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which was the 86 that crashed last year? it was supposed to be at the EAA fly-in IIRC and crashed 1 month before...
the other year there they had a mock fight between some jets, i thought maybe f-86 and some mig version, it was a remake of an actual historic dogfight or something, some guy when 1on 2 with the 86 and cleaned their clocks or something but i am fuzzy on the details.
was awesome to watch. :aok
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I recall reading one crashing last year, but I dont know if it was one of those. I'd have to search thru aero-news to find it.
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here is the only 1 ntsb search finds http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20060725X01009&ntsbno=ATL06LA111&akey=1 (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20060725X01009&ntsbno=ATL06LA111&akey=1)
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Originally posted by Debonair
here is the only 1 ntsb search finds http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20060725X01009&ntsbno=ATL06LA111&akey=1 (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20060725X01009&ntsbno=ATL06LA111&akey=1)
thats the one :(
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I remember watching a show on the old Discovery Wings about celebrity pilots. Michael Dorn, Lt. Worf on Star Trek TNG, owns an F-86. He called it the ultimate Hot Rod.
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i thought worf had a T-33
i want a T-33!!!!!11
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They showed an F-86 and an old Jetstar he owns and flies.
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i want those also
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Originally posted by Debonair
iirc there r a place in CA that will do dual in a MiG-15 or 17, but F-86s are historic (:O OMG VVS = PWNT!!!:aok :aok :lol), so i bet u wont find that available without $2million to buy & fly your own.
i can get u some time in a shark mouthed eraly '70s C-150
I have no clue what that means. I think it is a good thing.
hap
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I was at that airshow. Was awsome to see them fly in person.:aok
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seriously talented formation flying there.
what a beautifull aircraft
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Originally posted by Debonair
(:O OMG VVS = PWNT!!!:aok :aok :lol)
I don't think I'll agree with this point ov view ;)
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Originally posted by Debonair
i thought worf had a T-33
i want a T-33!!!!!11
It was a T-33.
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DREWWLLLL! (http://airshowbuzz.com/videos/index.php?id=6)
anyone know how much this usually runs?
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iirc dual in the TP-51 is $3000/hr...and i was looking on controller.com yesterday & was wrong about F-86 prices.
there are two for sale, F-86Es, $259k & &250k
Mig-21 is $120k
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I've seen Shipley do his P-51 routine but
haven't gotten the chance to see the Sabres yet.
The odd thing for me is that I never realized how much smaller the 86
was than the F4. I actually saw a pair of target towing F-86s while on TDY
to Tyndall in 83, but our Phantoms were a long way off, so tough to
compare.
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Originally posted by Debonair
iirc there r a place in CA that will do dual in a MiG-15 or 17, but F-86s are historic (:O OMG VVS = PWNT!!!:aok :aok :lol), so i bet u wont find that available without $2million to buy & fly your own.
i can get u some time in a shark mouthed eraly '70s C-150
No offense, but I got a chance to get a close look at an ex-Indian
Mig-21 and it made the F-4 look like the Concorde! What amazed me
was that Tumanski was able to make an engine to get that thing to do
Mach 2 :D
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Originally posted by Rino
No offense, but I got a chance to get a close look at an ex-Indian
Mig-21 and it made the F-4 look like the Concorde! What amazed me
was that Tumanski was able to make an engine to get that thing to do
Mach 2 :D
This is true of most Russian aircraft, even the newer ones. Not to slam their designers, because their engineering is generally top notch, it's just that their manufacturing capabilities tend to lag behind the west. They usually have lower quality material and components to work with.
And as far as their engines go, historically the consensus was that they weren't terribly reliable. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have MTBF's comparable to a top-fuel dragster. :D The massive Tumanski's back in the old Mig-25 come to mind. Look at them wrong, and those things would self-destruct.
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cool vid. :aok
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Every year the chino PoF Airshow has a F-86 vs. Mig-15 mock duel. Very fun to watch.
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Who wants to duel me? Put em up! I'll fight ya with one paw tied behind my back! I'll fight ya with my eyes closed!:mad: I'll...
Oh; never mind.:aok
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Originally posted by Cthulhu
This is true of most Russian aircraft, even the newer ones. Not to slam their designers, because their engineering is generally top notch, it's just that their manufacturing capabilities tend to lag behind the west. They usually have lower quality material and components to work with.
And as far as their engines go, historically the consensus was that they weren't terribly reliable. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have MTBF's comparable to a top-fuel dragster. :D The massive Tumanski's back in the old Mig-25 come to mind. Look at them wrong, and those things would self-destruct.
F'tagn!
You are right about Soviet engineering, we had to invent designs that will be produced on prehistoric production lines with minimal quality. Like first MiG-15s that suffered from "valyozhka" (uncontrolled belly-up and dive at speeds close to 1000km/h) because wings had geometrical difference up to 15cm. On Belenko's MiG-25 Americans found a 5cm lug that they thought was an aerodynamical curve, but it was simply a production defect.
In 1978 when Soviet engineers inspected a Korean 707 shot down over Karelia, they saw a technology that was absolutely unavailible here. And by that time the last Soviet passenger planes like IL-86 were already in production...
We have such a concept: "engineering art".
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I'm sorry it took me so long to look at that clip. Great flying there. Thanks Golfer.