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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on January 24, 2007, 01:37:58 PM
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Both these reads come from a jewish webzine (linked from Drudge) so it goes without saying that a sigificant bias is unavoidable from the start but I am wondering how far away I should stand from that Bias considering the entire world sees the US as a puppet to the zionist regime occupying Palistine.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356154,00.html
Good old newt. Here he talks about the possibilities of an nukular attack
and the fact that a response would surely result but again, he and everyone else in any position of power never seems to say or even remotely suggest in general, what the response would be. In my opinion, whatever response would reform Islam once and for all into a true religion of peace would be the only response worth initiating......
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356103,00.html
Both are good reads if for no other purpose than to at least stay abreast of the Israeli position. Although Im not sure how Gingrich folds into the jewish/palistinian problem.
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Good old newt. Here he talks about the possibilities of an nukular attack
and the fact that a response would surely result but again, he and everyone else in any position of power never seems to say or even remotely suggest in general, what the response would be. -
I'm afraid that the topic is the elephant in the living room. Gingrich just wants to get out in front of the issue I think.
You can be certain that an attack using conventional and tactical nuclear weapons IS being discussed and plans are already in place and training has begun in Turkey, Israel, Iraq and in the USA. Iran will not be allowed a strategic weapon. Short of regime change in Iran, it is pretty clear what will happen. Time is running out.
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Few politicians want to be perceived as a button pusher, makes people nervous. I suspect there are many politicians that would not retaliate in kind and probably a lot of Americans that would not want to.
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Few politicians want to be perceived as a button pusher, makes people nervous. I suspect there are many politicians that would not retaliate in kind and probably a lot of Americans that would not want to. - Lukster
I think most of people feel that a pre-emptive strike on nuclear targets in Iran, even with conventional weapons, is kind of unthinkable. Let alone a strike using tactical nuclear warheads. Its hard to conceive. But I think that if you read what info is out there, a lot of different interests, including some in Europe, are coming to the conclusion that low yield nukes that detonate underground are fairly safe to the region in terms of radioactive contamination, even though colateral damage could destroy of lot of life in densly populated areas. Its scary stuff. and its right now, even though Iran is not thought to be producing stragegic weapons yet, it has enough matierial, enough new centrifuges to start enriching uranium at a rate fast enough to make a lot of nuclear weapons once it starts.
Personally, I think the west has people on the ground in Iran right now seeking for some kind of evidence that will make that kind of a strike politically acceptible. a smoking gun if you will...
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We found in Iraq that cutting off the head of this beast just caused it to grow more heads. We may just have to let Iran do their own thing and absorb a nuclear attack. At least then perhaps there will be support for a retaliation which could end the problem once and for all.
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you might be right lukster, especially lacking actual real proof of a a secret parallel nuclear program in Iran. Many people say they "know" Iran has one, but they just don't have actual proof.
i don't think we would do a pre-emptive strike against Iran without proof, and without the upper echelon in the pentagon agreeing with it. But i wonder, what about Israel? will they need proof? if they have proof, they are sitting on it. or at least i haven't heard about it.
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I think Lukster is correct. The US is becoming so sissified, Europe already is sissified, and the Chinese do not care so long as Iran keeps supplying them with oil.
Nothing is going to happen. Especially with the democrats burying their collective heads in the sand. Nothing will happen until after an attack on Israel. Then, Iran will be a huge problem to deal with. Especially considering they will be nuclear capable. It also would not surprise me in the least that Iran will plan to have a weapon in, or near the US to be able to cause problems in both places. It is kind of sad, but not unlike what happened with Osama. Slick Willy was to busy dipping cigars in places to worry about taking out a known terrorist the Sudanese were going to hand to him on a platter. So be it. We will not learn from past mistakes, the democrats will see to it.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The US is becoming so civilized, Europe already is civilized, and the Chinese do not care so long as Iran keeps supplying them with oil.
Spot on!
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Nilsen
Civilized and sissified are to different things. All sissification does is allow someone else to write your history.
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Originally posted by lukster
We found in Iraq that cutting off the head of this beast just caused it to grow more heads. We may just have to let Iran do their own thing and absorb a nuclear attack. At least then perhaps there will be support for a retaliation which could end the problem once and for all.
That gets my vote. Let them make the first move, then wipe them out completely with nuclear fire.
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Gets my vote too.
Let's non-stop publish a bunch of Mohammed-screwing-a-sheep cartoons daily in the Aftenposten. When Oslo finally goes up in a mushroom cloud, the Norwegian Strategic Rocket Forces can rain final retribution down on them.
Perfect solution.
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Originally posted by Toad
Gets my vote too.
Let's non-stop publish a bunch of Mohammed-screwing-a-sheep cartoons daily in the Aftenposten. When Oslo finally goes up in a mushroom cloud, the Norwegian Strategic Rocket Forces can rain final retribution down on them.
Perfect solution.
I was kinda hopin' for San Francisco but your way sounds just as good. :aok
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Originally posted by Toad
Gets my vote too.
Let's non-stop publish a bunch of Mohammed-screwing-a-sheep cartoons daily in the Aftenposten. When Oslo finally goes up in a mushroom cloud, the Norwegian Strategic Rocket Forces can rain final retribution down on them.
Perfect solution.
If they were calling for the destruction of Norway, that might have been a possible outcome. Alas it is not us they want dead.
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Originally posted by Viking
That gets my vote. Let them make the first move, then wipe them out completely with nuclear fire.
Fine, then tell me where you live so we can tell Iran to make their "first move" there.
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Originally posted by Viking
Alas it is not us they want dead.
You may think that, infidel, but you'd be wrong. You may be just a little farther down the list is all.
But keep thinking that way; they're counting on you to do so. :)
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Well, at least we had the guts to print those cartoons. No major US newspaper did. If it comes to genocide, we're historically good at that too. No worries. ;)
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And your Strategic Rocket Forces are first rate!
Hey, is this stat correct?
. Five days before 9/11, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65% of the country's rapes were committed by "non-Western" immigrants -- a category which, in Norway, is almost wholly Muslim.
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And is it true your government apologized for printing the cartoons?
Foreign Minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, a leading member of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg’s Workers’ Party, wrote the following e-mail to the Norwegian embassies:
I am sorry that the publication of a few cartoons in the Norwegian paper Magazinet has caused unrest among Muslims. I fully understand that these drawings are seen to give offence by Muslims worldwide. Islam is a spiritual reference point for a large part of the world. Your faith has the right to be respected by us.
The cartoons in the Christian paper Magazinet are not constructive in building the
bridges which are necessary between people with different religious and ethnic backgrounds. Instead they contribute to suspicion and unnecessary conflict.
Let it be clear that the Norwegian government condemns every expression or act which expresses contempt for people on the basis of their religion or ethnic origin. Norway has always supported the fight of the UN against religious intolerance and racism, and believes that this fight is important in order to avoid suspicion and conflict. Tolerance, mutual respect and dialogue are the basis values of Norwegian society and of our foreign policy.
Freedom of expression is one of the pillars of Norwegian society. This includes tolerance for opinions that not everyone shares. At the same time our laws and our international obligations enforce restrictions for incitement to hatred or hateful expressions.
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Originally posted by Toad
And is it true your government apologized for printing the cartoons?
Nope.
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The cartoon just wasn't funny. Besides, we've done a bit more to draw the fanatics attention than just critical comics of Mohammad.
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Yup. Which is why we all know that Oslo is not a very likely target.
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I heard they are really down on Mohammad in San Francisco. ;)
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Originally posted by Toad
And your Strategic Rocket Forces are first rate!
Absolutely! We haven't had a failed launch yet! ;)
Originally posted by Toad
Hey, is this stat correct?
I don't know. Probably.
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Originally posted by lukster
I heard they are really down on Mohammad in San Francisco. ;)
California was named by a moslem sect that wished to restablish the Cailphate in the new world.
The Caliph was a position in early Islam analagous to the Pope, but in Bagdad & not Catholic. It ceased to be in the 13th century when the Mongols captured Bagdad, but there have been movement to reestablish the office from time to time. Currently they're working on it in the Fergana Valley
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Nilsen
Civilized and sissified are to different things. All sissification does is allow someone else to write your history.
Alot of Europe is just sick of war as we know what having a war in our countries really means. The US has thankfully not had that lesson yet so its abit easyer to be so brave when it all happens "over there" somewere.
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Oh... and the history you are writing at the moment is not something you should be proud of.
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anyone old enought to remember the civil war raise your hand so i can make fun of you for being zOMG SO OLD:O :O :O
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Oh... and the history you are writing at the moment is not something you should be proud of.
I beg to differ!
I for one am proud of my country as a whole.
I am embarrased by what the liberals are trying to do to us but I think over all we are doing the right thing and am proud we have a President who is more worried about the big picture than he is about pissing off a few limp wristed countries.
You guys don't want to stand up and fight for what is right? Fine! Step aside and let the real men do it.
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as long as they are giving up their women so freely and retracting cartoons... there is no real need to wipe out no way.
lazs
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are there any cute norge babes?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Oh... and the history you are writing at the moment is not something you should be proud of.
we are saving your arse again and you do not even realize it
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Saving it how? By losing Iraq to religious fanatics? WTG i guess.
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Originally posted by Viking
Saving it how? By losing Iraq to religious fanatics? WTG i guess.
nope
at this point by trying to save Iraq from Iran
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Trying... yes. Tell me, did Iraq need saving from Iran before your invasion in 2003?
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Originally posted by Mightytboy
You guys don't want to stand up and fight for what is right? Fine! Step aside and let the real men do it.
How is this not less spooky than the Jihadists wanting to cut off the heads of infidels?
All the Best,
hap
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Originally posted by Debonair
California was named by a moslem sect that wished to restablish the Cailphate in the new world.
Umm, no it wasn't.
Origin of the Name California - The name California comes from a mythical Spanish island ruled by a queen called Califia that was featured in a Spanish romance ("Las Sergas de Esplandian") written by Garcia Ordonez de Montalvo in 1510. The Spanish explorers originally thought that California was an island.
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/california/
And just about every other search for the term 'origin of name california'
will give the same results.
What's your source, or are you just repeating a Rush bloviation?
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Originally posted by Hap
How is this not less spooky than the Jihadists wanting to cut off the heads of infidels?
All the Best,
hap
So wanting to defend yourself scares you?
Does it still scare you walking across the street without Mommy? Assuming you actually do.
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No one but the U.S. gives a watermelon about this, (and not ALL the U.S. ) as the only target of any Iran attack is gonna be Israel-- not Paris, London, or Berlin. Nothing much has changed in the last century..."It's not MY problem"..."as long as they don't hurt MY country...."
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Alot of Europe is just sick of war as we know what having a war in our countries really means. The US has thankfully not had that lesson yet so its abit easyer to be so brave when it all happens "over there" somewere.
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Oh... and the history you are writing at the moment is not something you should be proud of.
The US knows plenty about war. We have been involved in it for most of our existence. We were forged by a war with our "former masters" and we suffered a catastrophic civil war. Follow that with involvement in every major conflict since then. We are champions of freedom, and the desire to help. Apparently that means little now in Europe. As for it happening "over there", I needn't remind you that a bunch of religous fanatics attacked us not to very long ago. We now fight them "over there" so we and you do not have to fight them at home.
As for the history we are writing, I am very proud of it. The US and allies stopped an insane dictator and stopped the proliferation of WMD's. We also presented a united front against countries that support terrorism. History will look back a 100 years from now and say that we did the right thing. Unfortunately the short sighted liberals do not see it that way. They only see the here and the now, and the fact that no one is hurting them in their snug little Land Rover Discovery in their tract homes. They fail to see that the reason that is, is because the US responded and is now proactive in the fight against terrorism, as opposed to a previous administrations "head in sand while I lob a cruise missle" approach.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
History will look back a 100 years from now and say that we did the right thing
Depends on who writes the history. My guess is in Iraq it won't be you.
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My guess is in Iraq it won't be you.
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are you sure its not more of a hope than a guess on you behalf?
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I must admit is a little bit of both at this point.
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Well that's as close to admitting you wish the US to fail as you have come in a while.
It' doesn't change my respect for you though.. still at zero.
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don't give up hope viking, the democrats may yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq.
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While the consequences will be bad, and I really should hope you win, I can' help but feel good at the thought of you people having to eat all those arrogant words you spewed at Europe (France in particular) a few years a go. It may be wrong, but it feels so … good. :)
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well...as much as I enjoy a good french joke, I sure hope france survives without being brought under sharia law. I really hate the thought of drafting an army of several million young americans again, to go liberate that god forsaken nation.
Maybe viking and his warrior clans can go do it this time instead.
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Originally posted by Yeager
well...as much as I enjoy a good french joke, I sure hope france survives without being brought under sharia law. I really hate the thought of drafting an army of several million young americans again, to go liberate that god forsaken nation.
Maybe viking and his warrior clans can go do it this time instead.
The French are on their own. No blood for french fries!
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Originally posted by john9001
[Bjaws of victory in Iraq. [/B]
I do hope we're victorious in Iraq.
I am unware that a victorious condition exists.
Why not just say, "Mission Accomplished" and if all of us believe it be so, then it is so.
Regards,
hap
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Originally posted by Viking
While the consequences will be bad, and I really should hope you win, I can' help but feel good at the thought of you people having to eat all those arrogant words you spewed at Europe (France in particular) a few years a go. It may be wrong, but it feels so … good. :)
France continually supplied the terroristic genocidal regime with weapons while swapping them for oil... I guess you people in Norway neglect to read the facts.
But hey, US bashing is still in vogue. You should keep at it, until the next Hitler overruns your country, then you can come crying to us, AGAIN, and we will help save your liberal arses again.
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FYI just about every arab state around declared that they want to go in nuclear development for "peaceful purposes" of course.
and as of yesterday iran announced they`re ready to launch their first spy satellite into orbit. if they can launch things to orbit, that means they have ICBMs.they had to add treats about their missles hitting tel-aviv in case israel attacks their nuclear sites...
i`m not posting links,these news are all over the net....
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Originally posted by Hap
I do hope we're victorious in Iraq.
I am unware that a victorious condition exists.
Why not just say, "Mission Accomplished" and if all of us believe it be so, then it is so.
Regards,
hap
I would say you are very much "Unaware".
Things ARE starting to get better in Iraq regardless of what you and other defeatest think.
BTW thanks for another lame misuse of the "Mission Accomplished" sign.
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about americans not knowing war on their own soil.
true,but they sure know what`s war,and what it cost.
as for israel...if one country knows what`s war that`s israel. and if one country was 100% behind the US invading iraq, that`s also israel.
unfortunately lessons learned by israel weren`t implemented and the USA got bogged down.
I mean: while the war of last summer with hezbollah sure wasn`t a victorious war, total victory wasn`t even an option. who belives the IDF couldn`t have marched right into beirut? or occupy the whole of lebanon and search for weapons in every house,and kill everyone that were suspected hezbollah supporters. or even march right into damascus.
no way. it would have achieved nothing.
israel occupied lebanon for many long years,and getting out of there was the best thing to do.
it`s up to the local population to make changes for themselves. not even the USofA can force a nation to understand that democracy is the the best way to live in.
BUT the USofA can make a nation to understand that if they let a maniac rule over them,who will contribute the whole nations resources to sticking up to the west,they have a lot to lose.
it`s all about live and let live. that is what the arabs need to learn. period.
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well said caligula..
Who doubts the U.S. couldn't just do house to house searches and torture people till they got full cooperation? We could find every terrorist in the country and kill them all but it would not be a much better place than the sadman built.
I don't know if arabs will ever step up to the plate and deal with modern human rights issues. If they will ever even want the kind of freedom that we enjoy.
lazs
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Caligula, is there any reason to hope for peace with Palestine these days?
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Caligula, is there any reason to hope for peace with Palestine these days?
not as far as i see.
not as long arabs get their easy $billions from oil, to found chaseing their ill founded dreams...
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Originally posted by Bodhi
You should keep at it, until the next Hitler overruns your country, then you can come crying to us, AGAIN, and we will help save your liberal arses again.
Like you did last time? Ha ha ha
How many American soldiers set foot on Norwegian soil again? Ironically, if anyone saved us it was the Russians.
Originally posted by ~Caligula~
and as of yesterday iran announced they`re ready to launch their first spy satellite into orbit. if they can launch things to orbit, that means they have ICBMs.they had to add treats about their missles hitting tel-aviv in case israel attacks their nuclear sites
A little behind the times are we? Iran launched its first spy satellite in 2005. They didn't call it a spy satellite of course…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4381436.stm
And this new Iranian satellite will also be launched by the Russians at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome north of Moscow. But by all means don't let that stop you from making paranoid assumptions about ICBM's and the second Holocaust.
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just what do u call paranoia?
btw this new satellite would be launched on a iranian shahab-3 rocket.that is what makes a difference.
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it`s all about live and let live. that is what the arabs need to learn. period.
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Arabs are fine. Its that Golly-geened dog eat dog religion they follow around like slaves thats doing them in. The are as capable of intelligence as any other racial class of humans, its that damned religion.........:mad:
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But by all means don't let that stop you from making paranoid assumptions about ICBM's and the second Holocaust. - Viking
You are obtuse. Iranian leadership has repeatedly said that Israel will soon be wiped off the map. Caligula's comments are realistic assessments about Iran's capabilites and stated intentions, not paranoia. But you know this.
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the jews have my explicit permission to destroy iran and viking :aok
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lol yeah, like they need your permission to do anything. :rofl
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
just what do u call paranoia?
btw this new satellite would be launched on a iranian shahab-3 rocket.that is what makes a difference.
Are you sure about that, the Shahab-3 can barely manage 100 lbs to orbit. Not much of a spy satellite if you ask me. You say this story is "all over the web", could you please point me in the right direction since I can only find articles about Iranian satellites that are at least two years old.
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ok,it might not be all over.i got it from here:
jpost (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1167467818307&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
it states they got it from Aviation Week and Space Technology.
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Originally posted by Viking
Like you did last time? Ha ha ha
How many American soldiers set foot on Norwegian soil again? Ironically, if anyone saved us it was the Russians.
If you cared to look at what was written, I said "helped" save you. That help came in many forms, through lend lease equipment to not only just the Russians, but the British as well. We also provided air support for operations to remove threats from your soil. I am unsure of the number of (if any) US troops that set goot in Norway during WW2, but, we did our best to help (like I said) liberate your land. After WW2 we did much to help keep you free of communist oppresion, lest you forget the Cold War.
All in all, I am a bit disappointed to hear someone actually suggest that they would like to see the US lose in Iraq. It is sad, especially coming from a nation that we have helped so much in the past. But, hey, I guess we should get used to it, remembering those that help seems to be out of style in the wonderous European Venue. :rolleyes:
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So is Colorado fixin' to declare war on Norway now?
hap
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Im betting colorada could take wyomin :D
norway has no significance from what I can tell. Unless they have cute babes.
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No doubt Yeager! Wyoming is crazy.
hap
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
ok,it might not be all over.i got it from here:
jpost (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1167467818307&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)
it states they got it from Aviation Week and Space Technology.
300 kg to orbit, yes that might become an ICBM. However the Iranians a lot of development left to make a 50 kg rocket carry 300 kg. I wouldn't worry yet, and in any case the IAF will deal with any threat should it arise ... or isn't that so?
The Jerusalem post reporting that according to two other sources an Iranian official allegedly told some students that they had a rocket ready … is hardly something to get excited about.
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We got cute babes ... but the Swedes got more. Invade them!
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ABBA!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Viking
300 kg to orbit, yes that might become an ICBM. However the Iranians a lot of development left to make a 50 kg rocket carry 300 kg. I wouldn't worry yet, and in any case the IAF will deal with any threat should it arise ... or isn't that so?
The Jerusalem post reporting that according to two other sources an Iranian official allegedly told some students that they had a rocket ready … is hardly something to get excited about.
imho that shahab-3 weights a lil more than 50kilos.
but for israel it makes no difference.they sure have missiles to reach here.saddam had no problem bombarding tel-aviv with scuds,and iran isn`t much farther away.
the IAF can`t do anything with ballistic missiles.and i don`t think it would be so hard to overwhelm the ballistic missile defense system (patriots,hawk or whatever we`ve got) with a few hundred scuds launched simultaneously. if only 4-5 of those have nukes on their tips,they can consider their job well done.
history has shown many times, that even the most modern top notch army can be brought to her knees by way older weapons.
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
imho that shahab-3 weights a lil more than 50kilos.
It can't carry much more than 50 kg to orbit. It can carry a lot more to Israel ... Israel isn't in orbit (I hope!). ;)
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Originally posted by Viking
It can't carry much more than 50 kg to orbit. It can carry a lot more to Israel ... Israel isn't in orbit (I hope!). ;)
sometimes i think it is.it`s the most chaotic country i have ever been to...for sure.
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That I don't doubt for a second.
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Viking, you spend enough time here to be considered one of us. Belonging to a group needn't be a physical presence anymore. Consider yourself, at least this part of your persona, one of the AH community and therefore not necessarily anti-american.
Perhaps we need a definition of our society here? :D
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I honestly appreciate Vikings contribution on this bsb. I think he is an intelligent person, but one that I don't find myself in agreement with very often, yet... I believe we share the same basic human values of freedom and individuality so I am glad he is here.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I honestly appreciate Vikings contribution on this bsb. I think he is an intelligent person, but one that I don't find myself in agreement with very often, yet... I believe we share the same basic human values of freedom and individuality so I am glad he is here.
Everyone hold hands and sing Kumbaya!!!
Sorry, through Vikings previous posts it is clear to me he and others wait the day the US fails and retreats from Iraq with glee. I feel his posts show a clear distaste if not hatred towards my country. For whatever reason, they desire to see America fall on her face. I think the majority of his posts are filled anti American rhetoric which seems to be the rage in and out of our country these days. If he and the others who hold the same ideals were to drop off the board, I would not miss them.
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Thanks Lukster and Yeager, I appreciate your comments and the feeling is mutual. If everybody agreed with me this bbs would be very boring indeed. I miss a lot of people that have left us for one reason or another: Nuke (the real Nuke), Crumpp, Miko2d, Blitz, Dowding and many more.
As for being "anti-American", I don't consider myself "anti-American", but I do find myself opposed to the views of many American posters here. I don't think that's the same. As for wanting the US to lose in Iraq, it is not my real hope, just a selfish feeling of wanting to get back at many people here on the bbs for three years ago. It is human nature I guess, Schadenfreude.
And as for my "spew", I don't think I spew more than most on this bbs. Just a different flavor of spew, that's all. ;)
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Originally posted by Viking
I do find myself opposed to the views of many American posters here.
Viking,
Me too. There are some with which I agree. Some whom I respect and disagree becuase the posters are thoughtful.
Many blurt however.
All the Best,
hap
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Many blurt however.
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Blurt! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TA>K(NG ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!! QUAH!!!!~!!