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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on January 26, 2007, 11:35:26 AM
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If there is anybody that can bail us out of the mess we are in right now, it's Lieutenant General David Petraeus. He understands what's required to achive success. Now if Bush will just listen to him.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1252147.php/PROFILE_Petraeus_framed_as_man_to_rescue_Bush_Iraq_policy)
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I agree. I also wish jr would take a page from sr's game book
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Here's a pretty good write up on him from Michelle Maulkin
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006745.htm
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bush is not presidential material and should never have been elected. I blame two men, gore and kerry :mad:
although I have to admit, gore damned near made it :confused:
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Originally posted by rpm
Now if Bush will just listen to him.
I'm assuming this is a given.
hap
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If he's smart he will ignore whatever Bush has to say or yes him to death then go and do it his own way anyway
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If he's smart he will ignore whatever Bush has to say or yes him to death then go and do it his own way anyway
does the name dugout doug ring a bell?
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Originally posted by storch
does the name dugout doug ring a bell?
Actually MacArthur was exactly whom I was thinking of when I made that statement
If we had him in Iraq now . We would have the right person. In the right place, at the right moment in time.
MacArthur got that nickname from the survivors of Bataan.
I remember meeting when I was a teenager one back in the late 70s at a place my mother used to work at.
Never knew a man could be loathed so much.
Trust me. "Dugout Doug" is downright polite compared to the terms this guy used. None of which would be allowed to be posted here.
And he wasnt real shy about whom he said it in front of either LOL
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Originally posted by Hap
I'm assuming this is a given.
hap
Well you would think so, but not with Bush. He's fired every OIC that has'nt agreed with his assessment so far.
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If we had him in Iraq now . We would have the right person. In the right place, at the right moment in time.
You couldn't possibly be referring to the king of Cut and Run, could you? The one the french all idolize?
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Originally posted by Yeager
bush is not presidential material and should never have been elected. I blame two men, gore and kerry :mad:
although I have to admit, gore damned near made it :confused:
I agree but I blame the republican party for their nomination. However, Bush surprised me and has done better than I expected.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You couldn't possibly be referring to the king of Cut and Run, could you? The one the french all idolize?
Are you talking about Petraeus? :huh
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MacArthur. Isn't that who dred was talking about?
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i hear this guys name & i think of Dr Zaius.
Maybe they didn't consult that guy that was NRA boss & was in that movie with Dr Zaius...
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After 9/11, I knew that Bush would either a) lead the American people united against barbaric religious fanaticism or b) wimp out in a rather long and tedious farting movement. You be the guess as to which I think he has accomplished.
Summary: As an individual man, I think he is a good example of decency, as a leader of the American nation he is an embarrassing failure.
And I have to say this, no single person on the political horizon of potential national leadership impresses me at all.
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Originally posted by Yeager
And I have to say this, no single person on the political horizon of potential national leadership impresses me at all.
How do you think I feel? The only thing I have to look forward to is Hillary somehow winning just so I can watch the mass freakout around here.
Still a long time before New Hampshire. A lot of new names will emerge.
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Originally posted by rpm
How do you think I feel? The only thing I have to look forward to is Hillary somehow winning just so I can watch the mass freakout around here.
Still a long time before New Hampshire. A lot of new names will emerge.
If you have another thousand bucks burning a hole in yer pocket send it to me and I'll put it to good use. :p
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Woot! Is Kinky running???;)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
MacArthur. Isn't that who dred was talking about?
Yea. but I was referring to him more for a couple of stunts he pulled in Korea rather then Bataan.
I beleive part of the largest part of the problem in Iraq is not just the insurgancy. But Washington running a war in Iraq..from Washington
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Pick up a book, the war is unwinnable. The average insurgency lasts8-10 yrs. If you want to send your relatives off to die, go ahead. I don't care about Iraqi freedom, I care about American freedom.
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Petraeus is one of the few that has had success in Iraq. He was the guy building sewers and stringing electric lines. Turns out, Iraqi's like that stuff. Of course Washington had to interfere with his plan and screwed the pooch.
If they let him work his plan, we may actually have an honorable exit from Iraq albeit 3 years too late.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Summary: As an individual man, I think he is a good example of decency, as a leader of the American nation he is an embarrassing failure.
And I have to say this, no single person on the political horizon of potential national leadership impresses me at all.
I don't think I'd go so far as the last statement Yeager. But it would be quibbling. My own yardstick says being "a good example of decency" rates very high. And I agree with that assesment.
Now as to your last, and this isn't personal, but you said it, so you get the fwiw from me.
If no one impresses me, then maybe my "impressor" is busted. My Sister and I talk about this from time to time. She thinks they are all bums. I just can't/don't buy it. There's better than a dozen folks vying for the White House at this early stage. They impress me merely by what they've accomplished in life thus far.
I may disagree with some of their politics, but that's based on principle. That is I may disagree with their ideas.
A President is not a panacea. Not a savior. To say they are weakest of the 3 branches is a true statement. Framers wanted it that way after having had a belly full of George III.
And I don't think the future of America hinges on having great Presidents or merely good Presidents.
All the best,
hap
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Interesting scenario for you guys. What do you think Iraq would look like today if Wesley Clark had won the '04 election? Would we still be buried in a quagmire?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I beleive part of the largest part of the problem in Iraq is not just the insurgancy. But Washington running a war in Iraq..from Washington
Amen.
Politicians should make the decision whether or not we go to war. After that, stay out of it.
Come to think of it, if they hadn't pulled the plug on the march to Baghdad back in Iraq 1, we might have not been in this situation. But it was public/world opinion we had to worry about then, too, right? :rolleyes:
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Once you show the war on the front page of the news and as the leading story on CNN and Fox, no politician will be able to keep out of it.
In fact, every since Vietnam with reports of every single thing that happens, a real war has been unwinnable.
That is until you bar any reporters from being in the war zone.
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Actually General Sherman wasnt real fond of reporters either and viewed them as nothing more then spies
"Sherman and the Reporter
DALE E. BROWN
Despite the recent successes of embedding, relations between the military and the press sometimes are contentious. Yet even the greatest animosities of our current era seldom reach the depth of the hatred that existed between General William Tecumseh Sherman and the newspapermen who followed his army. Enraged by newspaper listings of the Union order of battle prior to engagements, Sherman banished reporters from his lines and referred to them as “dirty newspaper scribblers who have the impudence of Satan.” A reporter for the New York Tribune wrote that being “a cat in hell without claws is nothing to [being] a reporter in General Sherman’s army.” His brethren were not so kind; they circulated reports of Sherman’s alleged insanity.
The tension reached a head when a reporter for the New York Herald, Thomas Knox, defied Sherman’s orders and forwarded an account of the Union defeat at Chickasaw Bluffs. Sherman had Knox arrested and bound over for court-martial. The reporter responded, “Of course, General Sherman, I have no feelings against you personally, but you are regarded as the enemy of our set and we must in self-defense write you down.” The court found Knox guilty and ordered him banished from the theater. As the Herald was a strong supporter of Lincoln, the President countermanded the sentence on the condition that Sherman’s superior, U. S. Grant, agreed. Grant would do no such thing, and Knox was forced to appeal to the man he defamed. Sherman’s reply:
Come with a sword or musket in your hand, prepared to share with us our fate . . . and I will welcome you as a brother; but come as you now do expecting me to ally the reputation and honor of my country and my fellow-soldiers with you as the representative of the Press which you yourself say makes so slight a difference between truth and falsehood and my answer is Never!
Knox left the theater. "
Sherman is also reported to have said
"90% of all reporters are spie. The rest are idiots"
I dont know about the spies part though I do sometimes wonder.
I will say that I am of the opinion that the latter 10% is grossly under estimated
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Originally posted by rpm
Interesting scenario for you guys. What do you think Iraq would look like today if Wesley Clark had won the '04 election? Would we still be buried in a quagmire?
My guess is NO.
hap
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He reminds me of Abrams in vietnam... It was too late then... maybe not now. Why do the politicians always think they can run the war and then when their approval rating goes through the floor....
They finally let the generals who know what to do run the show?
lazs
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Once you show the war on the front page of the news and as the leading story on CNN and Fox, no politician will be able to keep out of it.
In fact, every since Vietnam with reports of every single thing that happens, a real war has been unwinnable.
That is until you bar any reporters from being in the war zone.
Iraq is not a war. It's an occupation. We've already won the war.
"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." - George W. Bush, May 1 2003.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Iraq is not a war. It's an occupation. We've already won the war.
sandman has finally got it.
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Originally posted by john9001
sandman has finally got it.
Yeah... and now it's time to get the **** out. ;)
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we can't get out. we will be garrisoning that country for the next century, if not the whole region.
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Sure we can. Just pack our **** and move out.
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the US has been occupying germany since 1945, are the nazis still a threat?
WW2 is over , bringing the troops home.
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Treaty (http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/2plusfour8994e.htm)
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Originally posted by Yeager
bush is not presidential material and should never have been elected. I blame two men, gore and kerry :mad:
although I have to admit, gore damned near made it :confused:
Looking back and hindsight being what it is the same could be said about Bill Clinton... Now what did that solve?
Just follow the principle if you have nothing to add state the obvious and hope nobody notices?!
Good luck with that
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Originally posted by john9001
the US has been occupying germany since 1945, are the nazis still a threat?
WW2 is over , bringing the troops home.
The US military never really goes home from any of the wars. They are still in Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, Kuwait, Britain, Afghanistan even Cuba. What makes anyone they will be leaving Iraq anytime soon?
The only one the troops really left behind, fell soon after; Vietnam. Even so when I was there recently. There was talk of inviting the US Navy back to Cam Ranh bay, thus completing the set of recent wars.