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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: eagl on January 27, 2007, 02:02:02 PM
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Pardon the language but this traitorous ***** (Jane Fonda) does NOT speak for me, my peers, or represent my best interests. That she and her group claims to have the interests of the military and nation at heart is propaganda bull**** at it's worst, and a grave insult to everyone who has ever served in the military.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/27/iraq.protest.ap/index.html
She and her ilk are traitors to the core but right now their voices are the loudest because it's popular and cool to oppose the President. People she has offended against need to raise their voices and be heard. Her agenda is not now, and never has been, for the good of the nation or it's defenders. She claimed to be misled last time, but she has no such excuse now.
There are legitimate arguments for ending the Iraq war, but her mere presence is an insult and it eliminates the legitimacy of any effort that enlists her aid. She has proven her true value and staunch support of the enemy time and again, and this time is no different.
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this nation has a long history of accomodating dissenters. allowing all ideas to be presented is the very cornerstone of our civil rights. remember that it's the first amendment in the bill of rights. every person's opinion on any topic is valid, including their stance on the current conflict in iraq and afghanistan.
fonda, sarandon and all the hollywood nutjobs are well within their rights. if you really want to make your (and my) view of their stance known and felt, boycott their support base, the product they rely on for income, don't pay to see their movies. write letters to their studios and television sponsors.
that drives the point home far better than any other form of protest, vote with your wallet and let them know why you are choosing to do so.
one of the reasons why we became involved in the amway business is because of the amway corporation's support of traditional american family values, the us military and the cause of american free enterprise.
see who sponsors any of the shows that they appear on, write the sponsors a letter explaining that you will be purchasing products from your local amway distributor because of their support for xxxxx show and see the response you will receive. then you may call amway and ask for the contact info for your friendly and service oriented patriotic amway distributor and purchase your basics household and personal hygiene products from them. believe me you'll be glad you did.
or not but that's one way to show your dis-approval that actually has teeth.
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I agree with Eagl 100%.
Storch, I agree with on the point of actually writing in to sponsors and such to express displeasure that an idiot entertainer has to try and skew public opinion on a political agenda that they have no clue on. As for Amway, well, I think that is one of the better pyramid schemes I have heard of. I do stress the word scheme though.
Storch will be waiting for that cold day in hell when I order my Amway products from anyone, let alone him. :rofl
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fonda, sarandon and all the hollywood nutjobs are well within their rights.
Does that right include aiding and abetting the enemy at times of war? I always get confused about that one.
(http://libertyyes.homestead.com/files/HanoiJaneTraitor.jpg)
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I am by no means a pacifist, however I did not support the war in Southeast Asia. I definitely do not support the present war or the administration that bought it to us.
That said, Jane Fonda is a treasonous ***** (insert: female cur) that should have gone to prison and STILL BE THERE. A few years earlier and she might have been executed. I wouldn't have lost any sleep over that either.
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"one is known by the company they keep"
she is just the latest mouth piece for the dumbarsecrats and their turn tale and run tactic for Iraq..
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I'd hit it. Figuratively first then literally.
Seriously: It is vital to the nation that dissent be promoted and protected. Look at it (Fonda, Sarandon, Penn) like the bacteria in our digestive tract....smells like **** but is essential for our survival. I do not agree with what they say but I must respect it and at a minimum give it consideration. It is my duty as a citizen.
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who?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I agree with Eagl 100%.
Storch, I agree with on the point of actually writing in to sponsors and such to express displeasure that an idiot entertainer has to try and skew public opinion on a political agenda that they have no clue on. As for Amway, well, I think that is one of the better pyramid schemes I have heard of. I do stress the word scheme though.
Storch will be waiting for that cold day in hell when I order my Amway products from anyone, let alone him. :rofl
the second part of the post was intended as humor bodhi. I'm glad you managed to get a chuckle anyways.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I'd hit it. Figuratively first then literally.
Seriously: It is vital to the nation that dissent be promoted and protected. Look at it (Fonda, Sarandon, Penn) like the bacteria in our digestive tract....smells like **** but is essential for our survival. I do not agree with what they say but I must respect it and at a minimum give it consideration. It is my duty as a citizen.
Sometimes the bacteria in your stomach kills you. When does it become treason which is detrimental to our survival? It still amazes me after all these years Jane never had a statistically believeable accident...... I know a few vets who still grind their teeth when you mention her name or they see her on television. Used to shoot with one who had targets printed by the 1000 gross with her face on them. His only response was "I fought for her to. But sometimes dreams come true".
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It's a dam shame that the downfall of America (if it ever happens) will come from within.
Our own freedoms that we cherish so dearly will be used to bring about this nations darkest hour.
With that said I can still say I proudly defend their right to say what they want to say.
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I'm an outsider looking in. In other words a non-American.
I have alot of friends and family in the states and they all have differing opinions in the President and the war. One thing that always amazed me as a non-American is how proud you all are of your country. At least you used to be.
Seeing what I am seeing I am scared that the Terrorists see what I think I see. WEAKNESS, DISSENSION, OPPORTUNITY. I remember 9-11 and how all here were unified that something needed to be done. So, what did you expect? A few stealth bombers and a couple cruise missles would take care of it?
I aint a movie goer, so, I guess I have been supporting the troops for a while already.
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i was in country when jane was and have no problem with it. dont care for her but will fight to the death for her right to say it. eagle yours to
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If the Dems. make us leave Iraq, I bet in one year after that they will say BRING HOME OUR TROOPS FROM AFGANISTAN! I can just see it. There are those that support every thing the U.S government does, then theres those who just want to bash every thing the U.S government does. Not to be mean, but I bet 90% of those people there don't even know whats going on in Iraq (even me) But I'm not going to listen to the media, as it could be all wrong information for just a little more profit. The only people that really know, and can really tell you the truth whats going on in Iraq are the soldiers. I support the war in Iraq for one reason, the freedom that others should have as we have it. I don't care if we didn't find any WMD, I'm just glad Saddam is out of power, and I am glad we are trying to help the Iraqis get freedom from another Dictator ship. If we leave Iraq, I see another dictator ship forming there that will be 10 times worse than Saddam. The only way Iraq will win is if the people of Iraq stand up to the terroists, and insurgents and their warlords, and say NO! to their BS. The only way the people of Iraq can do that is the help of the Coalition Forces. You can't just send an army free the people and say okay you guys form your own government and laws and we well seat back and watch you tear yourself from the inside out. I truly believe if we had left Iraq after we caught Saddam, Iraq would be like Samalia. Run by Warlords, Druglords, and terroists. I truly think our present in Iraq and Afganistan has saved millions of Americans lives here in the U.S. because the only place the terroists can kill americans and westerners is in Iraq and Afganistan. We we leave now, they will have one place to come and that is America.
Every time we fight for another country to have the right of freedom like us, the people of this great nation bash about that war. What would happen if the countries that supported us during our Revolutionary War stopped and say, I don't want to support this new country. Would we have freedom today? Would we be this great nation? Would we even have this nation, I don't think so. Americans these days are to arrogant. "Oh will yea we had help during our Revolution and probably couldn't win without the help of other nations, but why should I support this nation, that happend like 300 years ago." We don't look at our past to make our decisions today that we know is right. "Oh gees that girl saved my life 10 years ago and I promised her I'd be there for her no matter what, but now shes dating my ex and shes getting her butt kicked by a ***** that I can take. Hmm I don't think I'll help her." I truly think these people that protest this war don't really see what matters. Thats the freedom for the Iraqi people. All that we protest about is "Wheres those WMD President Bush, OH thats right theres none. HAHAHA! I got you good Mr. Bush" "I hate Bush cuz, hes a wanna be Texan". Americans are to arrogant to see what really matters. We had people die for our freedom, why can't we repay that for others.
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To paraphrase LBJ...
"We shouldn't send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Middle Eastern boys ought to be doing for themselves."
You get the government you deserve.
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Originally posted by Sandman
To paraphrase LBJ...
"We shouldn't send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Middle Eastern boys ought to be doing for themselves."
You get the government you deserve.
And yet it was LBJ that escalated the war in Vietnam and did send "American boys" there for how many years?
It's been said that LBJ was very unhappy with Kennedy who was about to renege on supporting South Vietnam just before being assasinated.
Oh yeah, Jane Fonda is a mook.
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LBJ sent Brown and Root too.... and I believe they were very thankful. I think Lady Bird was thankful too as she had a huge interest in B&R.
B&R was purchased by Halliburton, so Lady Bird became a player at Halliburton too.
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Jane and the other Hollywood political experts should parachute in to northwest Pakistan and tell bin Laden what they bin ladling. He would be captivated and call off the jihad immediately since he hadn't realized he had already won.
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Originally posted by lukster
And yet it was LBJ that escalated the war in Vietnam and did send "American boys" there...
The man should have heeded his own advice.
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Two years after she's dead and gone, the groundskeepers at the cemetery where she is interred will be scratching their heads in puzzlement over the fact that NO form of plant life will grow on her grave.
And even during periods of drought, the ground above her casket will remain soggy.
A mystery for the X-Files.
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If what she publicizes so well is BS, then a clear and concise, truthfull refutal of her BS oughta publicize even better.
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VooWho,
With a clear majority of the American public now opposed to Bush's addition of more troops, and with notable Republicans also opposed to the President's plan, why are you all set to blame the Democrats for "making us leave Iraq"?
Do you disagree with the notion that in democracy such as ours, it is the duty of elected representatives to carry out the will of the people?
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Seeing what I am seeing I am scared that the Terrorists see what I think I see. WEAKNESS, DISSENSION, OPPORTUNITY. I remember 9-11 and how all here were unified that something needed to be done. So, what did you expect? A few stealth bombers and a couple cruise missles would take care of it?
Anyone who has studied anything about american history can tell you how not unified we have ever been.
It's a falacy to think that we were ever one people. Dissension and major disagreement can be traced from this day all the way back to the first ships landing on american shores.
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Part, if not most, of the problem with American society is that the average American is taught more about their freedoms than the responsibility it takes to maintain them. They like exercising their freedoms but they do not want to know what it takes to maintain them or to exercise them responsibly.
Using lbj as a guide to peace makes as much sense as a televangelist being touted as a guide to atheism.
If jane fonda was on fire in front of me I wouldn't so much as piss on her to put out the flames. I'd probably go look for a gas station with a jerry can.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Part, if not most, of the problem with American society is that the average American is taught more about their freedoms than the responsibility it takes to maintain them. They like exercising their freedoms but they do not want to know what it takes to maintain them or to exercise them responsibly.
Using lbj as a guide to peace makes as much sense as a televangelist being touted as a guide to atheism.
If jane fonda was on fire in front of me I wouldn't so much as piss on her to put out the flames. I'd probably go look for a gas station with a jerry can.
Part of what has gone wrong with America evident right here in your post, Maverick. Do you not understand that what you expressed so admirably in the first paragraph of your post, about the responsibility we have for maintaining our freedom - don't you get it that dousing a flaming Jane Fonda with gasoline is exactly the opposite of what you say you are for to begin with? I don't mean to pick on you exclusively - I think the attitude you express is all too common. I believe many citizens do not fully comprehend the freedoms that the founding fathers reserved for us and what the responsibilities we have to maintain them entail.
In this case, Storch and Yeager are right, I think. We have to tolerate dissent.
I wonder, though, if what Jane Fonda did was actually treasonous, why wasn't she charged and convicted? Maybe that points to one other thing that is wrong in America--wealth and privilege can mean you are above the law?
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What Jane Fonda is doing now, protesting inside the U.S., is dissent. What she did around 40 years ago, sitting on an NVA AAA gun, is treason.
Now, the fact that any number of the hundreds of thousands of men and women who served in Vietnam would pour gasoline on Jane Fonda if she were burning is not a sign of what is wrong, it is a sign of what is right. Even though she was not prosecuted for her acts of treason (reason being she took a popular stance against an unpopular war, and those who should have prosecuted her were guilty of cowardice for not doing it) that does not excuse or absolve her guilt, nor does it mean those she committed the acts against are duty bound to forgive her.
Were she not guilty of treasonous acts years ago, no one would feel so strongly about her getting what she has coming to her. She crossed the line when she POSED WITH THE ENEMY. No one is required to forgive her, and that she is so stupid as to do it again and reopen old wounds only means she didn't learn anything from the first time. It does not mean she gets a free pass under "dissent" this time, because few doubt that she'd go pose with Bin Laden given the chance.
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Spoken like a sharia court,well done the land of the free.I think ,if you really think about it ,you have more in common with extremist muslims than you care to admit.Hey why not stone her.:aok
Domald rumsfeld shook hands with saddam,when you going to poor gasoline on him,or do you prefer stoning,not the same?ok.Just chop off the offending hand.
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Donald Rumsfeld was sent by his country, and we were not at war with Saddam Hussien at the time. Jane Fonda went on her own, against the wishes of the country, and we were at war with the NVA.
If you are going to attempt to make comparisons, then find valid comparisons to make. Otherwise, you look like a fool.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but was not saddam hanged for crimes committed when the usa and good old donald were friends with saddam in 1982?Why was he shaking hands with a murdering dictator who 25 years later they made sure was executed?American foriegn policy..jeez...of course this is the country who trained and supplied ho chi min in 1945.....and supported Bin ladens err freedom fighters in Afghanistan in 1979..the CIA ..gotta love em....your err friends just love biting the hand that feeds them...of course once good old Ho had helped kick the japs out of indo china you sold him down the river just like the poor old Afghans who once they had kicked theRussians out, you left them to the Taliban.
A fool?yep I voted for emperor Blair,but the truth is,the biggest fool is running your country and destabilizing the whole middle east.where will it end?I don't no,but their will be no victory parade of that I am certain.
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Oboe,
The difference between protest and aid and comfort to the enemy is the issue in what I was expressing about jane. I wouldn't care a whit if all she did was protest. As has already been pointed out, going to the enemy's country and willingly being a part of their propaganda went beyond protest.
Her actions are as reprehesable to me as the ******s who protest and defame fallen soldiers at their funeral.
Even protest has limitations.
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every protest march tells the enemy to keep on fighting.
this is strange because the war protesters want to end the war but by protesting they make it last longer.
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Originally posted by Hazzer
American foriegn policy..jeez...of course this is the country who trained and supplied ho chi min in 1945........of course once good old Ho had helped kick the japs out of indo china you sold him down the river just like the poor old Afghans who once they had kicked theRussians out, you left them to the Taliban.
You really are a peach.
Ho in 1945? Heck, we gave Joe Stalin Lend-Lease! This is gonna shock you, so hold on. Times change; Stalin was our ally and then suddenly...he wasn't. When we had a common enemy (Hitler) we were allies; when we defeated our common enemy... we became enemies ourselves. Amazing, eh? Can you grasp it? Times change.
Ho? Ho played all sides. Ho worked for the US OSS late in the war. He declared Vietnamese independence in August of 1945...yet he was out front welcoming the French back, signing March 1946 agreement allowing the French forces to return to Vietnam. In July of 1946 Ho's Viet Minh helped the French eliminate what was left of Vietnamese nationalist groups and then...oops...in December 1946, Ho's War of Resistance against the French forces started.
Times change, and so did Ho.
Saddam? Times change.
Say, in the history of the mighty, all-knowing British Empire, you guys ever change your minds about an ally, putting him over into the enemy column? Vice versa?
Or perhaps not; after all, your colonial rule left the world with such perfect divisions of populations that there have been no problem areas in any of your old colonies ever since.
Right? I mean, we can skip over Iraq...that one didn't work out too well for anyone but surely it wasn't the Empire's fault.
We'd best skip over Kashmir too, I guess.
And all those places in Africa where peace has yet to break out in your former colonies.
Ah well, I digress.
Congrats for dissing our history of foreign policy.
You guys were the experts, so we tip our hats in respect.
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Originally posted by Hazzer
Domald rumsfeld shook hands with saddam,when you going to poor gasoline on him,or do you prefer stoning,not the same?ok.Just chop off the offending hand.
Exactly what is wrong with today's youth .. everything is grey, there is no black and white and in the grey, the details to the facts of the truth are blurred and distorted. A generation or two and history is completely re-written ...
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Bobby Fischer got indicted, Jane got a free pass.
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I would never condone the British Empire,churchill fought wwII to defend this undemocratic institution,and the Americans and Roosevelt wanted it disbanded after the war,which it rightly was,they made sure the pound was replaced post war by the dollar,and Eden's1956 inasion of suez was stopped by eisenhower threatening to pull the plug on the British currency.
Perhaps if Bush had read about the British Empire paticularley are stitching up of the Arabs after 1918,we would not be in the mess we are in now .We were the first to redraw the map of the middle east,we invented Kuwait,the oil don't ya know.
But to get so uptight about a niaeve actress who was used for propaganda purposes,when the real criminals are wearing suits and running the world,beggars belief.
I know history will show who the real villans are,but meanwhile more young men are going to be mutilated or die for a mans vanitiy.
Oh,and churchill advocated the use of mustad gas against Afghan tribes in the 1920's.No the world is not black and white.never has been.
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By the way,looking at my posts I feel I may be coming across as anti american,I am not.A lot of what is good about todays world comes from the usa.And I have found Americans I have met warm and freindly.
I. apologise to anyone I may have offended.
But I do believe Questioning are leaders is more important than blind support.
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But but but... you're all so smart! Who cares? No-one is going to listen to them...right?
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Originally posted by oboe
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I wonder, though, if what Jane Fonda did was actually treasonous, why wasn't she charged and convicted? Maybe that points to one other thing that is wrong in America--wealth and privilege can mean you are above the law?
And another - having a great-looking butt makes up for a lotta sins (see Sarandon as well ;))
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"had" culero... "had", not "have" ... please.
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Hey, maybe Jane Fonda and John Kerry will meet with Al Qaeda, as they did with the Vietcong years ago, to help find a way to end the war on terrorism. :aok
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Originally posted by Saintaw
"had" culero... "had", not "have" ... please.
Remember, I'm so old I am mostly living in my memory now....don't disturb it! :)
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Originally posted by Yeager
I'd hit it. Figuratively first then literally.
Seriously: It is vital to the nation that dissent be promoted and protected. Look at it (Fonda, Sarandon, Penn) like the bacteria in our digestive tract....smells like **** but is essential for our survival. I do not agree with what they say but I must respect it and at a minimum give it consideration. It is my duty as a citizen.
(http://static.flickr.com/31/45728431_0f1ea7acb0_o.jpg)
:)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
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omg :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Jane is a traitor..... question is, why is she still alive. I remember a time when traitors were placed against a wall and shot. She is the black sheep of an otherwise good family.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
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**** YEAH! :)
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Originally posted by oboe
VooWho,
With a clear majority of the American public now opposed to Bush's addition of more troops, and with notable Republicans also opposed to the President's plan, why are you all set to blame the Democrats for "making us leave Iraq"?
Do you disagree with the notion that in democracy such as ours, it is the duty of elected representatives to carry out the will of the people?
I probably messed up on my typing again. What I ment to say is, when the Democrats take office (President, which they might) there probably going to send home troops within a year or so after the elections. Yes I know people oppose the addition of more troops, but say if the Dems take office and our troops come home in one year after that, Iraq might as will be called Home of the Terrorists. I'm not saying the Dems will make the troops come home, but to be elected that might be something they'll say. Who knows maybe the Dems will ask for 200,000 additional troops to Iraq in 2009.
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Is she holding a giant bong?
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Originally posted by VooWho
I probably messed up on my typing again. What I ment to say is, when the Democrats take office (President, which they might) there probably going to send home troops within a year or so after the elections. Yes I know people oppose the addition of more troops, but say if the Dems take office and our troops come home in one year after that, Iraq might as will be called Home of the Terrorists. I'm not saying the Dems will make the troops come home, but to be elected that might be something they'll say. Who knows maybe the Dems will ask for 200,000 additional troops to Iraq in 2009.
This is why folks around Tulsa go to the City to see Crack Monkeys standing up for a cause...
"Yeah, what I said before... before I said it, right..I was against it!!! Now they'll make an issue outta it... But... but... dammm what was I talking about??? watermelon never mind just vote...ummmm... errr..yeah Democrat... *stop pokin me!!!!* Yeah Democratic... the tickets party...err the partys ticket..yeahhh ummmm..... *where's my Donuts?!!!????..."
Mac
~Owasso~
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(http://libertyyes.homestead.com/files/HanoiJaneTraitor.jpg)
The last time I posted about this sloven bioyatch and urination it got deleted...
Man she's gettin OLD huh? :D Won't be much longer til we salt her down.
:rofl
Mac
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"No! Jane! Stop!"
"They aren't burning bras this time!"
"My EYES! AUGHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!!!!!!"
:O
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Originally posted by AWMac
(http://libertyyes.homestead.com/files/HanoiJaneTraitor.jpg)
The last time I posted about this sloven bioyatch and urination it got deleted...
Man she's gettin OLD huh? :D Won't be much longer til we salt her down.
:rofl
Mac
Remember 10,000 Years B.C.? We'll still be urinating on her 10,000+ A.D.
Jane is going for Martydom..
No one else wants her...
Ohhh...Tainted Love
Grab the Gun Jane, Grab the Gun!!!!
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Originally posted by AWMac
(http://libertyyes.homestead.com/files/HanoiJaneTraitor.jpg)
The last time I posted about this sloven bioyatch and urination it got deleted...
Man she's gettin OLD huh? :D Won't be much longer til we salt her down.
:rofl
Mac
Remember 10,000 Years B.C.? We'll still be urinating on her 10,000+ A.D.
Jane is going for Martydom..
No one else wants her...
Ohhh...Tainted Love
Grab the Gun Jane, Grab the Gun!!!!
:aok
Mac
Do the World a Favor.
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Well, I agree that Jane is something the democrats do not need.
What would happen if we did what she wanted? Suddenly and unilaterally simply bugged out?
Reports from cities like Fallujah give us a good indication when Marine brigades pulled back and tried to give operational authority to the Iraqi military. Within a week they were overrun, targetted by death squads and killed. Soon the city was back in the hands of insurgents and had to be retaken again.
If we pulled out all of a sudden, the millions we have invested in oil fields and all of it would fall into the hands of local warlords. The Syrians would pour regulars across the border to secure the western oil fields, and the Iranians would try and take Basra for themselves.
The Kurds would cordon off the north and the Sunnis and Shia would enter into a full sclae bloodbath and Baghdad would make Beruit look like a new shopping mall.
We'd have a hell of a time re-establishing ourselves there, and we'd get nothing for the lives we've sacrificed. F--- that.
We need to get out of urban areas and secure the resources. Take as much of the natural resources, keep it out of the Chinese hands. Keep it away from Putin and his designs on his oil companies to the east of Iran.
We don't need more troops for this mission, we need good CnC. We need a coordinated move back towards the Kuwaiti border, checkpoints setup and massive refrigeration unit based castles like camp Bremer get shut down. Too $$ to run.
We're moving battle groups towards the Gulf now. Air power is fine, but we need predator drones and arty to shell the crap out of little roaming groups of thugs with mortars in trucks. little birds with chain guns sweeping the streets as the tanks and heavy stuff (truck convoys) pull back out of Baghdad.
Let them war it out, we're taking what we came for. Starve them. Let the Turks run food to their Kurdish friends.
The Afghans are a lost people. Stick Karbala on a stake and leave. We don't give a **** about the Talis and their oppression of women. We just want the groups that organize terror runs to the west. Save the cash of trying to chase down Talis in the small towns, start taking profit from the opium trade to help pay for things.
We can't even get the Pakis to help us catch Osama in the hills. The only way we turn this thing around is to start making this operation run the black, instead of bleeding the US treasury dry. Tax KBR, tax Halliburton. Tax the now record profit of Exxon they put up this quarter, the most profit any company has ever taken in world history ever. Start putting that back into funding merc teams. Send death squads out to target local warlords.
It's time to quit wasting money sending Marines into urban areas and letting them get sniped and IED'd. Marines are no good for police actions. Baghdad is a pit - vacate it.
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Now back to reality!
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Hmmm I didn't know Halliburton and KBR were different entitys.
:huh
Mac