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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: storch on January 27, 2007, 11:35:28 PM
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I don't think I've died this much in months. I know I haven't had as good a night with the game in a long time too. thanks to all who participated on both teams
for keeping the sides well balanced. The AvA had the feel of the old CT today I'm glad I got to be a part of it.
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That was some good teamwork. That 3 vs 3 fight we had this afternoon was an absolute blast. Love my 190 :)
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Originally posted by storch
thanks to all who participated on both teams for keeping the sides well balanced.
LMAO, you're such a cad storch. spose this was after the 15 guys in 190s stopped vulching me and one other guy in hurricanes.
team numbers when i logged off bored:
Axis: 17 - 15 in flight
Allied: 5 - 2 in flight
when i said something i was called a whiner by one of your squad mates.
LOL at you though, way to mention the good fights and ignore the hour and a half of score padding from great alt ;)
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that's funny BF I never even saw you in the AvA today and I was on from 1800-2400 +- EST. you must be having another of your pre-meltdown hallucinations
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oh how stupid of me, there was me thinking you had enough balls to admit what you are like when you play in AvA.
i suppose that because you had maybe an hour of fair fight today, it cancells out the 90 minutes of vulching from the day before. i got some good films of my low P38 vs 5 high 190s right over the allied base. you dont remember the shooting me down as i persued 2 of your squad mates?
carry on as you were squadron leader, talking the good fight as much as you can in the hopes that some people will buy it.
much respect ace, i hope i can reach your level of social manipulation one day.
S!
bat
:D
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did anyone see batfink on today?
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im sorry, i should have posted my own thread on yesterdays AvA and the hours of constant lameplay by JG54.
i expect i have breached some rules already so ill leave it at this point.
have fun storchy you sweet little rookie butter cup of a cartoon pilot you.
love n kisses
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dude you weren't on. have you been hanging out with stephen hawking?
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Originally posted by storch
dude you weren't on. have you been hanging out with stephen hawking?
Bat is still a wee bit upset with the constant gangbanging going on the day before, not tonight.
I agree with you, for the couple hours I was on tonight, things were well balanced for the most part.
But I also agree with Bat that the night before was decidedly not.
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Originally posted by E25280
Bat is still a wee bit upset with the constant gangbanging going on the day before, not tonight.
I agree with you, for the couple hours I was on tonight, things were well balanced for the most part.
But I also agree with Bat that the night before was decidedly not.
Thats exactly why not that many people come back to the AvA IMHO.They come in there for the " FAIR " gameplay & the historical aspect and get treated like crap so they don't come back into the AvA anymore.
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sides where even for a good part of the day, yes they where. but after alot logged and went to MA we were outnumbered big time. yes storch flys with major alt yes his squad vulches in the AvA arena but hey guess what i upped an osti and guess what shot 4 of them down and they didnt do it anymore. i could live with out the hoers storch has saving his butt all the time dont mind the hord just do away with the hoers. :aok all inall i had a blast last night
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well it must be so then. funny though with the exception of when all the P38s were coming in at 20k most of the fights at are around 5k.
I wish I knew where all these guys that are constantly saving my butt are because I must have died 20 times last night. I can't imagine why you guys would post so spitefully LTARS, JG54 was playing both sides in order to balance the numbers. aside from the nit picking going on which I will not participate in, inspite of dying tons I had a blast. truly first rate fights in there.
vultching?? who vultched?
I have to say that sondog is developing into an excellent player with good skill and polished manuevers. he dives into any number of opponents and often times makes tremendously difficult kills against multiple adversaries.
another player that has flat out blown me away with his superb skills is platano, always in the most difficult rides, in this set up the P40. he is nearly untouchable in a 1 v 1 and cah acquit himself very well against two.
to you both.
ok batty you are complaining about getting beat up on what would friday night!!! I don't recall seeing you friday either. did you come on for just one fight, get killed and leave? come back batty you are always fun to fight against. if it will make you feel better I'll hit autopilot so you can killl me easier.
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no real beef here storch, but it sure wasnt very fun last time i logged in.
to be called a whiner for pointing out the 15 vs 2 imballance was a little frustrating to say the least.
i don't want easy kills, but i also dont enjoy being targeted by 5 guys circling at 10,000ft before i get out of view of the runway.
the current setup is about the most dominant in the axis' favour that ive seen, plane set wise, and i would equate what i saw last time i logged into AvA to a bunch of hording la7s in LWarena.
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Not to speak out of place...but I believe that in the AvA, and the MA we fight as a squad. We clear each others 6's, we drag, we rope, we do what it takes, as a team, to clear the skies of red. We up together, we cover each other while rtb'ing...basically as 'real' and 'historical' as a cartoon can be.
To be upset because we flock to cover a wounded comrade and fly somewhat historical tactics...is silly. If a squaddie calls for help, I'll burn my engine up trying to get to him...isn't that how you would expect a WW2 squad to fly? Join/Create/recruit an AvA squad of your own so that you can have that kind of support and camaraderie as well.
I thought last night was a great deal of fun, and like storch said...I died more last night than I have in a VERY long time. Platano flew that P-40 so well I quickly decided if I saw a P-40 to quickly turn the other way. :) I remember when Platano and I were both n00bs...now he is one of the best pilots I've seen...I'm still a n00b though. :)
About vulching, I don't know that I ever even made it to the allied airfield to be able to vulch... And trust me...there were PLENTY of allied fellas hoing the living daylights out of me to make up for any axis hoing. I was hoed in a 1 engined 110 limping back to base for crying out loud. But..it's ok. I personally never ho, but if that's how someone wants to get their kicks..who am I to gripe.
Anyhow, to all who participated!
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dont take it personaly republic.
storch and i go quite a long way back in the combat theatre arena, our bickering is mostly harmless.
ive always been thankfull that JG54 make good numbers up and make alot of the good fights in AvA, its just sometimes you boys get all worked up and dont realise that all the allies have logged and your using your refined tactics on a couple of new guys over and over, untill you have them pinned and they either keep dying or log.
edit: oh yeah, and its worth mentioning these days alot more, cos in the old days 5 on 1 vs your 109s used to be funa dn easy to win :)
damn you guys for getting so good, i blame N7.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
dont take it personaly republic.
storch and i go quite a long way back in the combat theatre arena, our bickering is mostly harmless.
:lol I didn't take it personally...though the statement: "hours of constant lameplay by JG54" does apply to more than just storch. :)
Trust me, when I was in Grupul 7 I was at the other end of JG 54 so I understand what it's like, and the first time I met storch he killshot me because I sprayed him as I n00bishly shot over his shoulder :D
It's all fun...it just makes me giggle to see people complain because we fight as a squad.
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there is alot of respect to be given when you fight well as a squad against the odds, there is alot of respect to be lost when you do the same against 2 guys.
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blame gumbeau for that
gumbeau. he and his squad of aggresive and polished P38 drivers came in flying good squad tactics for about one hour. the sheer excitement of coming across a competent squad of players created a very healthy and competetive atmosphere. were I you I would be feeling violated as well.
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I have to say that sondog is developing into an excellent player with good skill and polished manuevers. he dives into any number of opponents and often times makes tremendously difficult kills against multiple adversaries.
Thanks Storch. I will pass this along to him. He really enjoys the AVA and when he talks about Aces High his focus is either our squadies or his experiences in the AVA. He spent some time in the AVA yesterday (Saturday) and had a good time. He always tells me when he gets you or one of the other regulars, or your squadies. He told me he got N7 for the “first time” Saturday. :) He also had a good turn fight with tankman2 that I watched part of. Sondog was in the 109F and tankman2 was in the P-40. He asked me as the turn fight began which one can out turn the other. I told him the 109, but he was frustrated when tankman2 was matching him in the P-40. I told him to use some flaps but he is very hesitant to do so. Tankman2 finally got him after about a dozen 360’s. He saw Storch near by and did not understand why he (storch) did not come in to help. I explained to him that Storch was probably letting you go one on one so you might learn something. He did. :)
He is a good stick, but has reached his limits with the basic ACM. He is ready to move on and work with those that excel at different AC and have better skills than I can teach him. I certainly can’t fly the 109 with any great skill. Others need to show him.
He has been flying for about a year and a half in AH and I told him yesterday he can use the range channel for the first time, but only in the AVA. If you vets have any tips for him while you fly with him feel free to share. He will take it all in like the sponge he is. :)
Anyway to get this thread back on track. Yes there has been some good fights in the AVA and sondog has shared many of them with me over our dinner table. :)
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I saw that fight daddog and was actually circling above for a bit. he seemed to be holding his own and I felt confident he would prevail. normally I won't miss a good opportunity to pigpile tankman but I didn't want to steal sondog's thunder.
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Originally posted by storch
well it must be so then. funny though with the exception of when all the P38s were coming in at 20k most of the fights at are around 5k.
After being BnZed by 190s coming in at much higher than 5K, this reaction doesn't surprise me.
Originally posted by storch
I wish I knew where all these guys that are constantly saving my butt are because I must have died 20 times last night. I can't imagine why you guys would post so spitefully LTARS, JG54 was playing both sides in order to balance the numbers. aside from the nit picking going on which I will not participate in, inspite of dying tons I had a blast. truly first rate fights in there.
Again, Bat's original gripe was about Friday night, not Saturday. Friday the numbers were uneven the entire time I was on, so I witnessed what Bat is talking about. I think the closest to even I saw was 13 to 9, and at one time I checked it was 17 to 5. Obviously, though, that is not "all JG54's fault" or any such nonsense, but it made the constant ganging more frustrating than normal because there was no way to avoid it.
I'm not sure how confirming Bat's observation is in my post is a "spiteful" reply. Kils on the other hand has always been a spiteful bastage, and he often killshoots on me in the MA out of a combination of sheer meanness and frustration. :D
Originally posted by storch
vultching?? who vultched?
I didn't see any vulching. But for Kils to have made several kills in an Osti (easily confirmed on killstats if you doubt him), someone must have been at some point.
Originally posted by storch
I have to say that sondog is developing into an excellent player with good skill and polished manuevers. he dives into any number of opponents and often times makes tremendously difficult kills against multiple adversaries.
another player that has flat out blown me away with his superb skills is platano, always in the most difficult rides, in this set up the P40. he is nearly untouchable in a 1 v 1 and cah acquit himself very well against two.
to you both.
Agreed on Sondog. I liked Bananaman much better when he was a squaddy. :p Back when he was a certifiable n00b, it was unbelievable how quickly he developed. I would gladly hide behind - er - wing with him anytime.
Originally posted by storch
ok batty you are complaining about getting beat up on what would friday night!!! I don't recall seeing you friday either. did you come on for just one fight, get killed and leave? come back batty you are always fun to fight against. if it will make you feel better I'll hit autopilot so you can killl me easier.
Jeesh, storch, no way I am buying the fact that you don't remember he was on after all the jawing on 200 between the two of you. I've learned to laugh at your constant cajoling of other players, but it isn't helpful to the retention of new opponents.
And it would be nice if you would at least be consistent. You whine on 200 that "wow, only took 3 of you" if you get ganged, yet Bat or anyone else points out numbers, they need to grow thicker skin. You and your squad BnZ from 190s, then here you complain about 38s getting alt on you. You and your squad jump on any low slow con just upped from the base, then you call them ack huggers if they try to at least gain some speed / alt before throwing themselves to the dogs. You justify the 5-4 v 1 because the guy is in a "woobiecane", as if you would do anything different if they were in a different ride, which you clearly don't.
And then to come here and play all innocent "I don't recall seeing you" -- Pu-leeze storch, who you kidding?
Originally posted by republic
It's all fun...it just makes me giggle to see people complain because we fight as a squad.
If JG54 or the 332nd or any other squad wants to fly as a large group and gang any individual they come across, good for them. If you want to pat yourself on the back as if ganging a bunch of individuals who don't normally fly together and therefore can't be expected to act in a coordinated manner is some kind of accomplishment, you knock yourself out. It's always fun to giggle at those you are rolling over. We did that as Grupul 7 a few times, and it was a blast. Glad you're having a great time. :aok
Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats exactly why not that many people come back to the AvA IMHO.They come in there for the " FAIR " gameplay & the historical aspect and get treated like crap so they don't come back into the AvA anymore.
I blame Oldman. His incessant good-naturedness and advocacy of fair gameplay is ruining the AvA. If he sees what looks like a 1v1 fight, he stays out or asks if you need help. He evens up sides when needed. On the BBs, he is always extolling the virtues of good fights and good people in the AvA vs. what you find in the MA. This builds the expectation of fair fights, no HOs, and good sportsmanship -- and when those things are absent, it is a shock and a letdown. Curse you, Oldman. :mad:
:rofl
As for me, I'll keep coming in (and getting shot down) regardless. I'll just have to see who is on before deciding whether it is OM's version of the AvA that night, or just another MA-style Horde, and adjust my thinking accordingly.
AvA, fun times!
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Originally posted by republic
To be upset because we flock to cover a wounded comrade and fly somewhat historical tactics...is silly. If a squaddie calls for help, I'll burn my engine up trying to get to him...isn't that how you would expect a WW2 squad to fly? Join/Create/recruit an AvA squad of your own so that you can have that kind of support and camaraderie as well.
We are indebted to you folks in JG54 and 880 and the 78th and Daddog's squad and the 56th for bringing some numbers back to the AvA. Please remember, though, that there aren't (usually) 200 other people in here. If you fly here the same way as you fly in the MA, the result often will appear to be ganging, even though you are just doing what you have practiced elsewhere. Possibly a bit more restraint wouldn't hurt any, and you'll find that the fights are as good or better. Remember your roots.
- oldman
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Originally posted by E25280
This builds the expectation of fair fights, no HOs, and good sportsmanship -- and when those things are absent, it is a shock and a letdown.
Hey, people are being assimilated here (or, in some instances, re-assimilated), be patient.
- oldman
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brauno I assurre you there was no banter between batfink and myself. you are correct that banter is usually lively between he and I but I believe I had detuned 200 because of whiny someone or other who insisted I rammed him on purpose. after a certain amount of that I selected to just shut down 200 and hunt that guy down. which I did. :D
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Originally posted by storch
brauno I assurre you there was no banter between batfink and myself. you are correct that banter is usually lively between he and I but I believe I had detuned 200 because of whiny someone or other who insisted I rammed him on purpose. after a certain amount of that I selected to just shut down 200 and hunt that guy down. which I did. :D
Well, there ya go . . . I had forgotten about Mr. YouRammedMe until you just brought it up, and I remember (now) that I spent quite some time explaining the collision model to him.
Likewise, I believe you have forgotten your exchanges with BatFink. After all, you banter with everyone, so you may not have realized who you were arguing with.
Or perhaps it was one of your squaddies responding to him . . . not sure anymore. If I can forget Mr. YouRammedMe, I may be mistaken on my recollection.
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as much as I dislike the pacific sets the fights in the arena were again intense. the spit is wicked nasty, I seem to be able to hold my own against most players flying the spit by flying the Ki84. I had to resort to using the A6M5 after 1duke1 kept schooling me with that damn spit.
to all the participants again. you players that like a furball are missing out on some good action.
I can't wait to see what's on next friday. too bad the tank tards own the arena tomorrow. I don't want to go back to the MA.
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Originally posted by storch
too bad the tank tards own the arena tomorrow. I don't want to go back to the MA.
Now that is about the most intelligent thing you have ever typed, hands down B.
You remind me of a boat that's sinking in the middle of the Ocean, most of us are throwing buckets of water overboard to keep the ship from sinking, while you put more back in the boat.Your either part of the problem or part of the Solution.
You could always get in a tank stench, then again you can't HO shoot a Tank which is about all your good at doing.:aok
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were you able to repair your wire?
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I can't wait to see what's on next friday.
Italy 1943. Focus around Messina.
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yayyyyyyy, thanks daddog
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Originally posted by daddog
Italy 1943. Focus around Messina.
Excellent!! I just love the sunny skies of the Mediterranean:)
Cheers,
gusman44
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Originally posted by storch
blame gumbeau for that gumbeau. he and his squad of aggresive and polished P38 drivers came in flying good squad tactics for about one hour. the sheer excitement of coming across a competent squad of players created a very healthy and competetive atmosphere. were I you I would be feeling violated as well.
Well, thanks.
That was our squadron's first foray into the Axis vs Allies arena as a group. A few of us have been in solo.
We generally are very picky about going into the AvA for several reasons.
Reason number one is we like to fly the P38 series. Not that we won't fly other stuff, we just don't get real excited about it.
Also, when the squadron leaders are on (me, savlan mostly) we tend to fly as a group. In an arena like AvA, a large group flying together can disturb the balance quite a bit.
So we will be visiting the AvA in the future but it will mostly be limited to periods when the P38 is available and we can find enough opposition.
CYA in the near future I hope.
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Hope you guys like it. It will of course be my first setup. Looking back over the weeks I did not see the Italy terrain used for a while. It is a sweet terrain. I will post my setup Wed per the AVA staff rules. :)
Gumbeau the P-38G will be in there. ;)
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Originally posted by daddog
It will of course be my first setup.
n00b!!!
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Originally posted by Gumbeau
Well, thanks.
we tend to fly as a group. In an arena like AvA, a large group flying together can disturb the balance quite a bit.
So we will be visiting the AvA in the future but it will mostly be limited to periods when the P38 is available and we can find enough opposition.
CYA in the near future I hope.
I suspect you'll see P38s in the next set up hopefully starting of friday. if there ever was a P38 theater it was the MTO. let us know when you guys plan on being on we will look forward to giving you the opportunity to fly as a squad with an opposing squad in Axis Iron.
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My squad will be on Friday night. I hope to make it, but my school has a function so I might not make it back in time for our squad night at 11 PM Eastern Friday night.
Anyway you can expect some Allied pilots flying by 10 PM Eastern and a mission come 11 PM Eastern.
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Originally posted by daddog
Hope you guys like it. It will of course be my first setup. Looking back over the weeks I did not see the Italy terrain used for a while. It is a sweet terrain. I will post my setup Wed per the AVA staff rules. :)
Gumbeau the P-38G will be in there. ;)
missed this post earlier. that would be great if every staffer took the extra time to post the following set ups on wednesday. as suggestion it would be good if a permanent message were included in the MOTD explaing to the new player the concept of two chess pieces combating each other and the need to pick a country that may or may not be bishops. :aok
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:lol Sounds like things are pretty much as they were before I took my leave of absence from AH. Greetings gents. Daddog, Oldman, Storch...
Good to see you all still around. Will likely be flying again very soon and AvA will be the first place I go. P38s in the Med *drool*. Haven't flown in quite a while though so take it easy on me while I shake the rust off. ;)
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
:lol Sounds like things are pretty much as they were before I took my leave of absence from AH. Greetings gents. Daddog, Oldman, Storch... Good to see you all still around. Will likely be flying again very soon and AvA will be the first place I go. P38s in the Med *drool*. Haven't flown in quite a while though so take it easy on me while I shake the rust off. ;)
We'll look forward to seeing you again!
- oldman
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DUDE!!! welcome back
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It'd be great to see the AvA grow into a viable, busy arena. I have to say that the times I've tried to like it, though, I end up being turned off by two things, over and over and over.
First, there are many who enjoy ganging more than they enjoy having people in the arena. Whether you call it "team play" or any other glossed over euphemism, the bottom line is that if YOU play in a way that keeps others from having fun, they will leave -- and you will be alone. Not good for you, and certainly not good for AvA.
Second, there is often as much nastiness and arrogance in the AvA as there ever was in the old, "unhealthy" MA. Kidding around is one thing, but when it goes to unpleasantness, you can't excpect people to hang around for more. Again, if you drive people away you will be alone. Not good for you, and certainly not good for AvA.
This has nothing to do with being thin or thick skinned. It's sportsmanship and, well, "positive game experience." There's no reason to expect others to put up with either verbal or gameplay abuse, and if you really want to see the arena succeed it would be well to keep that in mind.
What to do about it? Well, I'd suggest that if those who so love workinga s a team find their side overwhelming the other side -- they might consider sending a kette over to balance things out. Make it an intrasquad scrimmage -- and that way others can have fun too.
And, try to be good natured. IF you have a grinch like heart, then fake it -- or pretend you're doing an impression of Oldman!
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During the times that I play in the AvA, I guess I just haven't seen the rampant ganging and poor sportsmanship. Other than the occasional 8 year old team killer...it's been pretty much status quo.
Often we have the problem of even numbers on each side, but for some reason one side has fewer uppers. Either they are afk, or in GV's somewhere...who knows. Most of the time people swap sides or orbit out of the fight until there's a 'free badguy'.
Maybe I'm a glass is half full kinda guy but...I really don't see the AvA in that bad of shape. I still find many challenging fights.
The current map is a little frustrating as the popular fields only have a few hundred yards of airspace that you can fight in without being acked to death by the other side...but all in all...lots of fun!
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Republic -- had fun fighting ya couple weeks ago!
Never would say that things are always bad in AvA...had some fun times for sure. But its clear that others have run into lopsided ganging, and I've literally seen people come to LW after leaving the AvA type things like "That xxxx is such a jerk, I just had to leave the arena."
Most guys will eventually try AvA. Just like HT follows retention % for 2 week trials to see if there's a problem with the game, it'd be wise to think about what could drive people away from what could be a really great place to fight.
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Welcome back DblTrubl! Good to see you post and that your returning. :)
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Monday was not good times in the AvA i logged cause of all the vulching that was going on. an when i upped ack guns to kill them all they whined. get use to it you want to vulch or try tocap a base i dont care if you did it or not if your close enough i going to kill you in some sort of flak
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no one was vultching. you shot me from ack gun as as I was deacking because your manned ack guns were hitting us as we barely went wheels up. I was rtb out of fuel and slash27 "vultched" me. he explained that he thought I was running to the ack, I was rtb. moneyguy attacked republic and myself then went to land. stupid me thinking I had just been attacked reversed and killed him. he cried foul.
this map set up tends to create confusion. with the exception of an 8yr old and his 15 yr old brother who have repeatedly been switching sides and fragging players I have personally seen no clear evidnce foul play by anyone. I'll chalk up a few incidents by both teams to general frustration.
perhaps there should be all one country on the big island or divide the big island in the middle for the okinawa map. that should be left up to the staffers to decide I'm sure that for the next map there will better discussion and consideration given to team/field placements.
inspite of the occasional frustration the fights have been good.
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I always thought the CT was suppose to be different than the MA other than the name, but more along the lines of GAMEPLAY.The vulching, base capping, base taking is generally for the Main Arena.In the CT you always got a fair fight, they would let you up, gain altitude then cold merge for a really good time.
NOT anymore.The AvA is slowly becoming what the MA is today minus the Jankie restrictions.Hopefully with all these new idea's we are coming up with to get people into the AvA, we can show them all some positive gameplay, so when they get tired of the same ol same ol, they will come back into the AvA where they know the gameplay is awesome and the stupidity level is at it's lowest!
:aok
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I think the Okinawa map is a good example of why HiTech sets a minimum distance of 3/4 sector for any map in the MAs. It is too easy to find yourself climbing out of your base only to be over the opponents base before you hit 2K.
That being said, if you find yourself over the enemy base, get the heck out of there. I asked two or three separate times in one sortie for guys on my side to get out from over the enemy base and let the Spittys up. They would start to move, then turn back as soon as a plane appeared on the runway.
Oddly, one person asked "What am I supposed to do? Hug my own ack?"
We need some kind of buffer between the fields to let both sides get up and get a modicum of alt before engaging, and eliminate any excuse for hanging out over the enemy field.
IMO, of course.
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more than once I have found myself RTB to the wrong base on this map :D
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I'll vouch for the proximity of the two bases being just a little bit too close.
On the flip side of the coin, there were only a few times where I ever really found myself cursing the ack, and I think only once did I see someone (on my team actually) rtb for ack cover.
To stay on the optimistic side, the close proximity did make for some exciting dogfights in the weeds.
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Originally posted by storch
I was rtb out of fuel and slash27 "vultched" me. he explained that he thought I was running to the ack, I was rtb.
Well you know me. I have to take what I can get even if its cheap.
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
[B Will likely be flying again very soon and AvA will be the first place I go. P38s in the Med *drool*. Haven't flown in quite a while though so take it easy on me while I shake the rust off. ;) [/B]
Holy cow DblTubl:eek: Guess I better get in my licks before you shake the rust off. Good to see you :D
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Originally posted by Slash27
Well you know me. I have to take what I can get even if its cheap.
didn't mean it to come off that way just using it as an example of the confusion that abounded. I vultched xocet today under similar circumstances and I never vultch. well now it's almost never.
OM instigated a good change tonight with the middle of the island airfields in axis hands. very close fights and yet far less ack confusion.
the ackinawa map has been tamed. perhaps the wise and all knowing staffers will take note and make it the pardigm for this map.
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Slash! Hows it goin bud? Good to see you still here as well.