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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on January 29, 2007, 12:23:51 PM
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7058853
I gotta hand it to the guy... at his age, there's no way in hell I'd put up with boot camp again.
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There's no way I would survive boot again. Just bury me on the PT grinder.
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I hope he is smart enough to keep a journal. He could make good money with a book some day I am sure.
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Naa, it will be a movie starring Dennis Quaid.
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Casey Sheehan's best friend died in Iraq the same week as he...THAT kid's father took a slightly different tack than Cindy-- he enlisted in the (Oregon?) national guard at age 45, got into a combat-type role, and managed to get himself deployed to Iraq at age FORTY-SIX, to exact revenge. THAT guy has balls.:aok (I think he's a gunner on a humvee)--And his wife is 100% behind him
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Bootcamp now isnt like it was 12 years ago, and 12 years ago it was nothing like ten years before. I about died when I told a cherry they put in my squad what to do and he whipped out a "stress card". That stress card turned out to be a ticket of sweeping a parking lot in the rain on a saturday. Marines are about the only ones that maintain the standards through and through. They have even softend up a lil.
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WTF is a stress card?:huh
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Well, it's one way to get dental coverage.
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I've heard all about these stress cards, but never actually SEEN one in 13 years. I've only heard the stories, and the stories keep propogating.
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Originally posted by Maverick
WTF is a stress card?:huh
According to SNOPES (http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.htm) its a myth :)
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If it's a myth the why would Bzek74 say what he said?
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Stress Cards are not a myth, but I don't think they are in use under the new training guidelines..... ie, no more shouting all the time at the recruit (unless there is a real good reason), and so forth. I don't think it was ever Army-wide either.... some places saw them, some don't.... don't think they lasted long, or were as wide spread use as some would have you believe.
Standards for all forces going to face a drop, again. State of the Union: The adding 97,000 new soldiers in 5 years? Best we could hope for, recently, with looser standards (though they will never admit to lowing standards) and ever higher sign-up bonuses has been to "grow the force" (by retention and enlistments) roughly 10,000 soldiers a year, or a little less....
Now they want to boost the force 20K in end strength per year for 5 years? Disneyland on the Potomac is dreaming big time. Didn't anyone give the White House realistic growth numbers, or what it would take to accomplish?
"If you are fat, dumb, blind, club-footed, toothless, suffer from narcolepsy, no habla, or haven't been actively a terrorist or gay for the past three years...... Uncle Sam Wants You! Sign Up Today!
Maybe we'll go back to Press Gangs. Or this will be the New Guest-Worker Program.... Guest-What...You in Da ARMY now!
And to answer Maverick, a Stress Card was given to recruits (1 per training cycle, per week, per day.....this part varies ALOT) so that if the poor snot-nosed recruit was feeling "stressed out" and some big, meanie of a DI started in on him, he could pull it out, and the Drill would have to leave him be for a while (day, 1/2 day, that training period.....whatever....these also varied....).
That's the story, and the story told so often for so long, it's a very warped story by this point..... but is generally now a "saying" that would incorporate all the lesser standards and changes to which military trainees are held when coming up through the system. usually in a derogatory manner, from us old salts who remember very different training methods used on us.
Seemed like someone's pet project that got circulated among some training bases.
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Not only does Snopes (READ ME!!!) (http://tinyurl.com/yprts2) say its a myth, the US Department of Defense website confirms Snopes' account of the origin of the myth in this ARTICLE (CLICK ME!) (http://tinyurl.com/yrv6mp):
Here's another LINK - CLICK ME (http://tinyurl.com/ypudjo) from the US DOD:
The Navy issues a card to every new recruit that includes information about whom to contact "if things pile up." The committees recognizes the importance of informing new recruits about support services upon their arrival at basic training. But concerns were raised by Navy trainers about Navy recruits who raise their cards while being disciplined as a way of signaling a time-out.
The committee recommends that the Navy review its "stress" card policy and eliminate the use of these cards by recruits as a means of ending a disciplining or training session.
So, as far as I can tell, one branch only (never the Army or Marines, just the Navy) decided to give new recruits a tool that pointed them in the right direction for help if they felt too stressed.
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Originally posted by Viking
If it's a myth the why would Bzek74 say what he said?
It makes for a cool story?
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I can't speak for the other services but I can honestly say the Air Force's programs arent getting easier, they are in fact getting harder. For example, they just gave us a new tool to use on trainees by the name of "squat thrusts". Before such an exercise wasn't on the "approved list" and therefor strictly verboden but now to instructor's delite and the trainee's horror it is highly effective at ridding of "rolling of the eyes" and such.
The USAF is still waiting on funding but there are plans to actually make basic military training longer by 2 weeks.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I can't speak for the other services but I can honestly say the Air Force's programs arent getting easier, they are in fact getting harder. For example, they just gave us a new tool to use on trainees by the name of "squat thrusts". Before such an exercise wasn't on the "approved list" and therefor strictly verboden but now to instructor's delite and the trainee's horror it is highly effective at ridding of "rolling of the eyes" and such.
The USAF is still waiting on funding but there are plans to actually make basic military training longer by 2 weeks.
But IIRC, the Air Force end strength is actually going for a smaller total figure as many support jobs go toward civilian contractors. This allows a larger portion of the budget to go toward new toys (in what passes for fiscal smoke and mirrors between the Pentagon and Congress).
US Air Force Academy has twice graduated a large portion of their classes, only to send them to the Air Guard, IRR, or honorably discharge them from active duty because there were no slots for them. (At least they graduated them, otherwise they would have to pay back college expenses.... USAFA is over $200,000 to $250,000 IIRC.)
So, it makes sense for the USAF to be able to ask for a higher standard in those it keeps.
Quite the opposite when trying to add 97K troops to the ranks in 5 years.
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Originally posted by culero
Not only does Snopes (READ ME!!!) (http://tinyurl.com/yprts2) say its a myth, the US Department of Defense website confirms Snopes' account of the origin of the myth in this ARTICLE (CLICK ME!) (http://tinyurl.com/yrv6mp):
The Department of Defense and the Department of the Army also claim they have not reduced standards in the military to meet the ever growing end strength requirements or recruiting goals.
Those of us on the receiving end of new recruits from Basic and AIT (or whatever they call it now) would tend to disagree in some cases.
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Well done that man! So what is the age limit now for joining the US Army? Many years ago, age 29 I was told by a US army recruiter that I was too old. I have to say I was seriously disappointed. I could be General cpxxx by now.
Mind you, I could be on my umpteenth tour of Baghdad, at this stage.
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How many divisions were shaved in the '90's, and how many guys are IN a division (I'm thinking 10k or so?)...and how vast a project IS it to re-create them?
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Originally posted by bj229r
How many divisions were shaved in the '90's, and how many guys are IN a division (I'm thinking 10k or so?)...and how vast a project IS it to re-create them?
Division? That is SOooo last century.... now it's Units of Action.... plug and play units of about Brigade Size..... sometimes Battalion. Integration-baby!
And it's just not the manpower you need to build up. There is their housing, uniforms, issued equipment, the support structure for them......
Roughly, as stated above, with high sign-up bonuses, high re-enlistment bonuses, pay raises, and other perks, we can grow the force at roughly 10,000 bodies in a year's time, from recent history. That means recruiting 10,000 more than you are losing in the ranks, not just recruitment goals.
The State of the Union plan is twice that...... so how do you manage that? What steps must be taken to grow the total numbers by nearly 20,000 pairs of boots per year? Will any of those steps at recruitment have a negative impact on retention?
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Stress Card???
Pffft The nearest thing I had to a Stress Card in the Army started out like this.....
"Our Father who art in Heaven...."
Maybe I missed it when the Stress Card was passed out... It didn't exist between '75 ~ '95.
I call "BS" , it's a myth.
Mac
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We had sort of a stress card in the CG. It was called "High Porting". You ran doubletime with a 4 foot piece of 3 inch lead pipe extending it full arms legnth in front of you, bring it to your chest then lift it over your head. Up, down, out, in. Repeat.
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Haven't you guys heard? Forty is the new twenty. I think a more mature military force would do the nation good. You don't need nineteen year old kids with gang backgrounds running around with automatic weapons representing the U.S.A. Of course it's just my opinion.
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Tried to rejoin the Day after 9/11.... Requested Reinstablishment into Active Duty under my last Pay Grade (SFC/E7). DA got back to me the next Month of May , 8 Months later, and sent me a nice letter / framable bunch of crap saying how I was a Great American willing to give up my Retirement for the Defense of the United States of America. Basically Thanks, we have it under control.
A year later they were wanting Retirees willing to return to Active Duty... Sorry but you had your chance. Blow me off once and it's yer bag from then on.
I'm a Hard Right Republican, Old Reagan Years. Last year when I got laid off, mortgage company wanted my house and property that I got under the GI Bill, Educational loans for my Daughter, and all the wolves at the door.... The Republican Commitee had the gall to call me wanting a donation for the Party....imagine that.
After an extreme tirade of why I wouldn't donate and why they didn't call me to help ME!!!! They hung up, haven't heard from them since.
I feel for the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Fly Boys that are now caught in the middle of Political squablling... It shouldn't be like this.
<<<<~~~~ Throwin my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm voted in on a third Party ticket.. called: American.
1. We safeguard our borders, North and South, East and West.
2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
3. The UN is outta the USA... send these corrupt bassturds to France or where ever...just get them out, after they pay all their parking tickets.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
6. NAFTA is out.
7. All ExPresidents are just that... Ex Presidents. So STFU.
8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Seperation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
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Originally posted by tedrbr
or gay for the past three years...
I heard somewhere they are actually accepting gays into the army. I'm not quite 100% sure. If they want that 95+ in 5 or 10years they probably will allow gays into the army. Nothing wrong with that, I would just hate it if he was on the bunk above me. (Picka BOO, I see you!) :noid
I would like to see more 35+ guys join the Army and other armed forces. They have great knowledge and have done more things then any 18-21 year old has. Young teens 18 and up with an automatic gun is kinda scary. Aren't most war crimes commited by soldiers around these ages?
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Originally posted by VooWho
I heard somewhere they are actually accepting gays into the army. I'm not quite 100% sure. If they want that 95+ in 5 or 10years they probably will allow gays into the army. Nothing wrong with that, I would just hate it if he was on the bunk above me. (Picka BOO, I see you!) :noid
I would like to see more 35+ guys join the Army and other armed forces. They have great knowledge and have done more things then any 18-21 year old has. Young teens 18 and up with an automatic gun is kinda scary. Aren't most war crimes commited by soldiers around these ages?
So when do you go to Boot Camp?
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Tried to rejoin the Day after 9/11.... Requested Reinstablishment into Active Duty under my last Pay Grade (SFC/E7). DA got back to me the next Month of May , 8 Months later, and sent me a nice letter / framable bunch of crap saying how I was a Great American willing to give up my Retirement for the Defense of the United States of America. Basically Thanks, we have it under control.
A year later they were wanting Retirees willing to return to Active Duty... Sorry but you had your chance. Blow me off once and it's yer bag from then on.
I'm a Hard Right Republican, Old Reagan Years. Last year when I got laid off, mortgage company wanted my house and property that I got under the GI Bill, Educational loans for my Daughter, and all the wolves at the door.... The Republican Commitee had the gall to call me wanting a donation for the Party....imagine that.
After an extreme tirade of why I wouldn't donate and why they didn't call me to help ME!!!! They hung up, haven't heard from them since.
I feel for the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Fly Boys that are now caught in the middle of Political squablling... It shouldn't be like this.
<<<<~~~~ Throwin my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm voted in on a third Party ticket.. called: American.
1. We safeguard our borders, North and South, East and West.
2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
3. The UN is outta the USA... send these corrupt bassturds to France or where ever...just get them out, after they pay all their parking tickets.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
6. NAFTA is out.
7. All ExPresidents are just that... Ex Presidents. So STFU.
8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Seperation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
Do you need a running mate? I'm all for your platform & I suggest we ad in college tuition vouchers & forced removal of illegal immigrants. (I suggest we get together on the welfare reform over a couple beers, maybe we could increase the social security payments to the elderly & eliminate Welfare completely):aok
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Originally posted by AWMac
Tried to rejoin the Day after 9/11.... Requested Reinstablishment into Active Duty under my last Pay Grade (SFC/E7). DA got back to me the next Month of May , 8 Months later, and sent me a nice letter / framable bunch of crap saying how I was a Great American willing to give up my Retirement for the Defense of the United States of America. Basically Thanks, we have it under control.
A year later they were wanting Retirees willing to return to Active Duty... Sorry but you had your chance. Blow me off once and it's yer bag from then on.
I'm a Hard Right Republican, Old Reagan Years. Last year when I got laid off, mortgage company wanted my house and property that I got under the GI Bill, Educational loans for my Daughter, and all the wolves at the door.... The Republican Commitee had the gall to call me wanting a donation for the Party....imagine that.
After an extreme tirade of why I wouldn't donate and why they didn't call me to help ME!!!! They hung up, haven't heard from them since.
I feel for the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Fly Boys that are now caught in the middle of Political squablling... It shouldn't be like this.
<<<<~~~~ Throwin my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm voted in on a third Party ticket.. called: American.
1. We safeguard our borders, North and South, East and West.
2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
3. The UN is outta the USA... send these corrupt bassturds to France or where ever...just get them out, after they pay all their parking tickets.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
6. NAFTA is out.
7. All ExPresidents are just that... Ex Presidents. So STFU.
8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Seperation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
The following numbers will ruin the country: 2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11. The following numbers are ironic, based on the previous list of numbers: 12.
Vote for a democrat before a vote for a Mac.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
But IIRC, the Air Force end strength is actually going for a smaller total figure as many support jobs go toward civilian contractors. This allows a larger portion of the budget to go toward new toys (in what passes for fiscal smoke and mirrors between the Pentagon and Congress).
US Air Force Academy has twice graduated a large portion of their classes, only to send them to the Air Guard, IRR, or honorably discharge them from active duty because there were no slots for them. (At least they graduated them, otherwise they would have to pay back college expenses.... USAFA is over $200,000 to $250,000 IIRC.)
So, it makes sense for the USAF to be able to ask for a higher standard in those it keeps.
Quite the opposite when trying to add 97K troops to the ranks in 5 years.
Yes they are cutting officers, alot of personel types are being "Force Shaped" out
We still add nearly 40,000 young airman every year and with manning the way it is it's tough to do. The USAF used to have all the money, now it's do more with less.
My Marine Corps boot camp platoon had 5 DIs assinged to it. The Army has similar numbers as well. Currently the last 5 flights I've pushed have all be 1 instructor (me) per flight.
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Originally posted by AWMac
So when do you go to Boot Camp?
Mac
I'm not joining the army, I'm joining the USAF after high school.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The following numbers will ruin the country: 2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 11. The following numbers are ironic, based on the previous list of numbers: 12.
Vote for a democrat before a vote for a Mac.
Ruin the Country?
2: 2. Total ellimination of Corporate outsourcing..If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
*You have to be kidding me! You actually belive outsourcing is in the best means for Americans?
4: 4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
*Are you saying that the American youth with good grades are not entitled to a higher education? This is our Future. Are you so Blind?
5: 5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
*I guess you've never really looked at this. Just running yer gums. Research it and open your eyes. It's shocking. Even for PeaHeads.
8: 8. We rebuild America. Starting with the Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police.
*This would weaken America? Ask each and every Farmer that has struggled to feed America. Ask every Teacher that has taught America. Ask every Fireman, Policeman that has saved and protected America. They need to be paid more than what they receive now.
10: 10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Seperation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
*Is there something you missed in this?
11. 11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Goverment. Gotta look good and feel good. This is America.
*This will truly ruin America... what was I thinking.
Yeah vote Democrap... Maybe some day they'll have a program, an insight, like Kerry a PLAN.... Vote Democrap, the "Not My Fault Party". Hillery is the answer.
Vote American!
My pay will go to the deficit. I don't need to feed off Taxpayers.
I'll work 7 days a week also and if you are in Congress, Senate and House you too will work 7 days a week. That's how you serve the people that voted for you. Can't handle it? Then it's time for new blood.
Free America,
Mac
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I was in USAF basic in 1983. It amounted to head games for me. We lost our TI for some reason, and the rest of basic was conducted by the team member who was an Airman 1st class...and female to boot. PT was non existant because it was cold some days, too hot the next. For me it was 6 weeks of marching, listening to some yelling, keeping your barracks clean, water moniter, and laundry detail. And the usual stuff UCMJ,history, etc.
I enjoyed the rest of my 4 years, till the very end when a coffee drinking, cigarette smokin, do nuthin 15 year E4 took over. I did well while in there though, but being in CES, I was among the dregs, back then few were there by assignment, most were discipline cases who got dumped in there. Nowadays they'd probably be shat canned.
I waited till the week came to re-enlist...making them think I was going to, getting awards,schooling and stuff, I probably would'nt have if they knew I was'nt going to stay in. Ya, Im a stinka.
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How did the guy get in at 42? I was under the impression 40 was the ceiling today.
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2: The reason companies outsource is to keep costs low. If they didn't outsource, they'd only be able to retain at most 1/3 of the staff needed to run their facilities, and everything would cost at least 3-4x what they do if they were outsourced. Add ontop of that another mutiplier for supply and demand of 1.5-2x the cost due to the company not being able to make as much stuff from a smaller staff.
4: The reason colleges cost money is because they are competitive. By taking out the competitiveness you are taking out the capitalism of a service industry. And by doing that you take out the desire to be a better teacher. If everyone gets into college, then everyone gets a college degree, but the degree wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on.
5: By taking out the ability to invest in other countries, and for other countries to invest in us, you hurt us economically. Take a macro and micro economic course. It's just basic stuff that everyone should know. But they don't.
8: By rebuild, you really mean subsidize. By subsidizing anything, you hurt it's capitalistic ability, and in turn just prolong it from collapse. You don't allow it to progress, get better or do better things. You just make it exist.
10: Church and state are seperated, in that state can't pick a church to endorse. To think otherwise is just foolish. To act otherwise is just socialistic.
11: Again, the capitalism thing. By removing the competition you remove the quality, and the drive to get better.
What's sad is that these aren't complicated practices we are talking about. Yet so many people just can't understand it.
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The card in question listed persons name,ft jackson sc, unit and a thermogenic corner. It could have been experimental at the time as the army went downhill after Clinton took office. I guess if you were stressed the corner would change colors to shades of mood? Makes me wish I had snagged it and scanned it so some of the nam era guys here could vomit.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
2: The reason companies outsource is to keep costs low. If they didn't outsource, they'd only be able to retain at most 1/3 of the staff needed to run their facilities,
explane that please, if you needed 60 people to run it how can you run it with 20 people, but if 20 people can run it ,why did you hire 60 people?
and if you think you need to outsource to be competive, check out "new balance" shoe company.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
How did the guy get in at 42? I was under the impression 40 was the ceiling today.
Last I checked, a few years ago, 40 was the limit. I was looking into going in the WO program, but found out the cap on it was age 28 for pilots. If they've upped the 40 limit, it's been recent.
Slight sidetrack.... FAA is going to lift the age 60 rule to 65 like the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by john9001
explane that please, if you needed 60 people to run it how can you run it with 20 people, but if 20 people can run it ,why did you hire 60 people?
and if you think you need to outsource to be competive, check out "new balance" shoe company.
You don't outsource to be competitive, you outsource to keep costs down. When the cost of something starts to rise way above the cost of what people are willing to pay for it, you have to make a choice. You either make it cheaper or stop making it.
There's only one product that the laws of supply and demand DO NOT apply to: Toilet Paper. Every other product, and every single service acts based of the laws of supply and demand.
So let's say that you have a product X. You can only sell product X for a maximum of 100 dollars, total (we'll think small for now). You only have 16 dollars of that 100 dollars to spend on labor, the rest goes to materials, overhead and profit. You need 4 laborers per X to finish it. You pay each laborer 4 dollars.
Suddenly the socialistic congress passes a minimum wage law. You now have to pay each worker 7 dollars. But you only have 16 dollars to spend on labor. You fire two workers, and it now takes longer to make the product. You can either accept it and take a hit on the overhead operating costs, or you can increase your price, or both. So you increase your price roughly 25 dollars.
Now, we encounter the real problem. Based off of this one example, half the minimum wage workforce is now out of a job, coupled with every single object cost 25-50% more. So not only does half the min wage workforce not have any money, EVERYTHING COSTS 50% MORE.
This was a very tame example at that. I could have easily made a reasonable example that had much more dire effects.
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you never studied marketing, you tell your prospective customers that your product XXX is much better than cheap product X and they should "upgrade".
how do you think they sell Cadillac, Mercedes, BMW's and Porsche?
also Mac computers.:D
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Originally posted by jigsaw
Last I checked, a few years ago, 40 was the limit. I was looking into going in the WO program, but found out the cap on it was age 28 for pilots. If they've upped the 40 limit, it's been recent.
Slight sidetrack.... FAA is going to lift the age 60 rule to 65 like the rest of the world.
I'm strictly referring to the Army. The other branches are still in the range they have been for decades, late 20's early 30's. The Army max. enlistment age was upped to 40 a couple years ago (couple, few, two or three etc. not sure the exact date but it was not too long ago)
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I'm strictly referring to the Army. The other branches are still in the range they have been for decades, late 20's early 30's. The Army max. enlistment age was upped to 40 a couple years ago (couple, few, two or three etc. not sure the exact date but it was not too long ago)
Yup. I was talking about Army as well. I'm thinking he must have enlisted before 40 and they took two years to write about him.
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