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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: devil956 on January 29, 2007, 08:33:21 PM
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(http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/images/p-26_n.jpg)
It was one of the first U.S planes to down a japanese fighter this small but fiesty fighter would be a nice addition to EWA
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ja we need it(http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/mig_exp/breda-ba-27.jpg):aok:noid:aok
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by guessing by the name Peashooter,it had weak weaponry?:rolleyes:
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Support Your Local Hangar Queen.
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:aok it wont be as bad as the Jeep as a Hangar Queen:p
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Originally posted by Wes14
:aok it wont be as bad as the Jeep as a Hangar Queen:p
At least jeeps can run vehicle supplies, and run jeep races, and on some older, unused maps, could race downhill at uber-speed...... and 15 jeeps mobbing a town with troops is fun.
Oh....and jeeps can kill Tiger tanks...... from the inside..... wuhahahahaha :t
But, *this* thing? Better to ask for P39.......
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Looks like the red headed stepchild that you just want to beat
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I think it could give a few of the ew planes a run for their money
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Originally posted by Wes14
:aok it wont be as bad as the Jeep as a Hangar Queen:p
Jeep is very very far from a Hangar Queen
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Jeep is very very far from a Hangar Queen
i never seen it used:confused:
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Originally posted by devil956
I think it could give a few of the ew planes a run for their money
Want a good Spanish Civil War plane for EW arena then?
FIAT G.50 Freccia
(http://www.comandosupremo.com/G501.jpg)
Performance
Maximum speed: 472 km/h (294 mph)
Range: 670 km (418 miles)
Service ceiling: 9,835 m (32,258 ft)
Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)
Wing loading: kg/m² (lb/ft²)
Power/mass: kW/kg (hp/lb)
Armament
2x 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns
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I say yes to all early war fighters as all the planes added to AH2 in the past 3 years or something like that have been Mid-Late war. There was not been once a single EW plane added. I don't know why people hate these EW planes. There the best. You won't imagine how early planes turn. They turn so will. Who cares if they have peashooters, cuz you just might suck at shooting. I've taking out plenty of planes with a Hurrican MK1 and Spitfire MK1 with its peashooters. Just get in close and BOOM! We have to many Mid-Late war planes, its time to get some EW. I really am sick and tired of mid-late war planes. I want something that sucks and has peashooters.
G.50 and P26 would be nice. The P-35 would be nice for an early war fighter for the US. Saw action in the Philippines. The I-16 would be cool to have and the Macchi MC.200 Saetta. Theres so many more.
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Russian I-16 would be at the top of my list for early war planes. It served in significant numbers, and for a considerable period of the war. While not very fast, it had decent guns and could turn very well (IIRC). Plus open cockpit would be kind of cool:).
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Originally posted by Wes14
i never seen it used:confused:
its used alot for getting GV supplies out to tanks on the frontline. Ive done a dozen or more of those runs this tour and i see them wizz by me all the time when i drive tanks. :)
You have to look hard tho cause they are small and very fast.
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I agree the early war plane set is weak. There were a lot of early war fighters that could be included that would give a bit of spice to an otherwise dead arena. What's wrong with a few bi-planes? Wasn't the first air victory of WWII a polish pilot bringing down a Junkers bomber? (cant remember what type of plane it was.) Hitech and the boys should really be good at modeling these things by now. It shouldn't be a huge problem.
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Agreed I16 would def be a great addition for the EW.
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Theres a number of early war planes that can be added to this game. Some of them could still be a good fight even to mid or late war fighters like the Westland Wirlwind. Top speed of 360mph had 4 20mm cannons in the nose and highly manoeuvrable and faster than a spitfire at low alts. This plane would need a light perk because only 2 squadrons used them and it would be one of the few early war fighters with 4 20mm.
A list of early war fighters and bombers
Amiot 143 (French Bomber)
Amiot 354 (French Bomber)
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley (UK Bomber)
Avia B.534 (Czech Fighter, used by Slovak Air Force against Russians)
Avro Manchester Mk1 (UK Bomber, had alot of engine fires)
Bell P-39 Airacobra (US Fighter, did it enter service in EW or MW?)
Blackburn Skua/Roc (UK Carrier Dive Bomber, and Carrier Fighter)
Bloch MB.151/152 (French Fighter)
Boulton Paul Defiant (UK Fighter, it would just suck)
Breguet Br.691/693 (French Attack Plane)
Brewster Buffalo (US Fighter, other countries used it as well)
Bristol Blenheim (UK Bomber)
Bristol Beaufort (UK Bomber)
Cant Z.506B (Italian Seaplane Torp Bomber)
Cant Z.1007 (Italian Bomber)
Caudron C.714 Cyclone (French Fighter, used by Polish pilots in the defense of France)
Commonwealth Wirraway (Australian Dive Bomber)
Commonwealth CA-12 Boomerang (Australian Fighter)
Consolidated PBY Catalina (US Reccon and Anti ship/sub plane)
Curtiss P-36 (US Fighter)
Dewoitine D.520 (French Fighter, probably the best but few were issued)
Dornier Do 17 (German Bomber, I believe a must have)
Dornier Do 217 (German Bomber, is this an EW bomber? first test flight in 1938)
Douglas TBD Devastator (US Dive Bomber)
Douglas B-18 (US Bomber, C47 converted to bomber)
Fairey Battle (UK Fighter)
Fairey Firefly (UK Fighter)
Farman F.222/223 (French Bomber, man its ugly)
Fiat BR.20 Cicogna (Italian Bomber)
Fiat G.50 Freccia (Italian Fighter)
Fiat CR.42 Falco (Italian Fighter)
Focke-Wulf FW 200 Condor (German Anti ship/bomber)
Fokker D.XXI (Netherlands Fighter)
Gloster Gladiator (UK Fighter)
Handley Page Hampden (UK Bomber)
Handley Page Halifax (UK Bomber, you consider both EW and MW?)
Heinkel He 111 (German Bomber, a must have)
Heinkel He 112 (German Fighter, lost to Me109 but some used on Eastern Front)
Heinkel He 115 (German Seaplane Torp/mine Bomber)
Henschel Hs 123 (German Fighter)
IAR-80 (Romanian Fighter, a must have)
Ilyushin Il-4 (Russian Bomber)
Junkers Ju-52 (German Transport, a must have)
Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu 'Nick' (Japanese two engine fighter)
Lovochkin LaGG-1/LaGG-3 (Russian Fighter)
Lockheed Hudson (US Bomber/Reccon)
Loire-Nieuport LN-40 (French Carrier Dive Bomber)
Macchi MC.200 Saetta (Italian Fighter)
Martin 167 Maryland and Martin Baltimore (US Bomber, used by UK and Free French)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-1/MiG-7 (Russian Fighter)
Mitsubishi A5M 'Claude' (Japanese Fighter, was retired by the A6M)
Mitsubishi G3M 'Nell' (Japanese Bomber)
Mitsubishi Ki.21 'Sally' (Japanese Bomber)
Mitsubishi G4M 'Betty' (Japanese Bomber)
Mitsubishi Ki.46 'Dinah' (Japanese Fighter)
Morane-Saulnier MS.405/406 (French Fighter)
Nakajima Ki.43 Hayabusa 'Oscar' (Japanese Fighter)
Nakajima Ki.49 Donryu 'Helen' (Japanese Bomber)
North American B-25 Mitchell (US Bomber, a must have)
Petlyakov Pe-8 (Russian Bomber)
Petlyakov Pe-2 (Russian Bomber)
Piaggio P.108 (Italian Bomber)
Polikarpov I-16 (Russian Fighter, a must have)
Polikarpov I-153 (Russian Fighter)
PZL P-11 (Polish Fighter)
PZL P-37 Los (Polish Bomber)
Reggiane Re 2001 Falco II (Italian Fighter, a must have)
Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero (Italian Bomber, a must have)
Savoia-Marchetti SM.75 Marsupiale (Italian Transport)
Seversky P-35 (US Fighter)
Short Sterling (UK Bomber)
Tupolev SB-2 (Russian Bomber)
Vickers Wllesley (UK Bomber)
Vickers Wellington (UK Bomber)
Westland Whirlwind (UK Fighter, a must have)
Yakovlev Yak-1 (Russian Fighter)
Yermolayev Yer-2 (Russian Bomber)
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Originally posted by VooWho
Bell P-39 Airacobra (US Fighter, did it enter service in EW or MW?)
Entered service yes, although 1/2 were sent to Russia as part of Lend-Lease (as well as nearly all P63 Kingcobras later on) and saw most of their action on the eastern front. Second highest scoring Ace for the Allies, Aleksandr Ivanovich Pokryshkinflew, 60+ kills, flew the P-39 for most, in not all, of the war.
I've argued that a P-39, in Soviet skin and in Russian planeset, would be a appropriate nod to the Lend-Lease Act and Pokryshkinflew's record, as well as getting a EW bird added to the game.
How to model a completely unrecoverable flat spin with it though......
* How many "new" planes have we seen in AH-II in the last year or two? At best you might see 1 new EW plane from that megalist over the next 2 years if things keep going as they are now. Which will it be?
* Probably won't be a bomber, since buff drivers often complain about getting a second perk worthy bomber to fly..... that means late war.
* Don't see getting a float plane, and if so, can you saw hangar queen? Don't think model is set up for water landings and take offs anyway..... just ditching.
* Do you really want the addition to be a slow early war dive bomber or torpedo plane?.... Japanese have those already. Disregarded. If things change and we starting seeing more planes added, revisit this idea.
* Going to assume they are not going to want to add an additional Country category to the websites, since they are not maintaining them very well now, so disregard any additional county planes.
* Also don't see them including a EW plane that was replaced by another EW plane.
Those assumptions cuts your list down to about this with a quick look:
Bell P-39 Airacobra
Brewster Buffalo (US Fighter, other countries used it as well)
Fairey Battle (UK Fighter)
Fairey Firefly (UK Fighter)
Fiat G.50 Freccia (Italian Fighter)
Fiat CR.42 Falco (Italian Fighter)
Gloster Gladiator (UK Fighter)
Henschel Hs 123 (German Fighter)
Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu 'Nick' (Japanese two engine fighter)
Lovochkin LaGG-1/LaGG-3 (Russian Fighter)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-1/MiG-7 (Russian Fighter)
Mitsubishi Ki.46 'Dinah' (Japanese Fighter)
Nakajima Ki.43 Hayabusa 'Oscar' (Japanese Fighter)
Polikarpov I-16 (Russian Fighter, a must have)
Polikarpov I-153 (Russian Fighter)
Reggiane Re 2001 Falco II (Italian Fighter, a must have)
Seversky P-35 (US Fighter)
Westland Whirlwind (UK Fighter, a must have)
Yakovlev Yak-1 (Russian Fighter)
So.... choose 1 and give your reasons why IT should be the one to argue and beg for. Are there any others in that list you can argue to cut now?
And I'll add one, a GV..... German 88mm FlaK 36.... details in thread on Airplanes and Vehicles Forum.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Entered service yes, although 1/2 were sent to Russia as part of Lend-Lease (as well as nearly all P63 Kingcobras later on) and saw most of their action on the eastern front. Second highest scoring Ace for the Allies, Aleksandr Ivanovich Pokryshkinflew, 60+ kills, flew the P-39 for most, in not all, of the war.
I've argued that a P-39, in Soviet skin and in Russian planeset, would be a appropriate nod to the Lend-Lease Act and Pokryshkinflew's record, as well as getting a EW bird added to the game.
How to model a completely unrecoverable flat spin with it though......
The P-39 saw quite a bit of service in the Pacific early in the war when the USAAC had not much else but the P-40 and P-38, the latter being in short supply. It also served throughout the Aleutian campaign as more modern types were prioritized for other theaters. I've always thought that, to do the 39 justice, it should be modeled as a D in US markings and a Q in Soviet markings. Maybe a P-400 too...no real strong feelings about that one either way.
As for HTC being able to model an unrecoverable spin I wouldn't worry. I haven't flown it in a good long time but as I recall the 110's is very nearly so. In any case I don't think it would be that much of an issue. Many stories about "pilot killer" planes are exaggerated and have more to do with unfamiliarity with the aircraft than any inherent flaw in the design. The P-38, F4u, and B-26 all wore the widowmaker tag at some point. In AH they're fairly docile unless provoked. One experienced P-39 pilot (sorry, don't recall his name) claimed that it was a very nimble, nice handling fighter.
As for a P-63...yes please. :D
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P-39's going into a flat spin was, IIRC, a result of weight imbalance.... if you flew a P-39 with no ammo or ballast up front, it caused the pilot problems..... spent shell casings were kept on-board up front to help with the weight issue.
Even after the fix, and the Kingcobra, flat spins were considered an unrecoverable situation to these Bell birds.
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Originally posted by VooWho
Fairey Firefly (UK Fighter)
Wasn't the stringbag categorized as a bomber?
You also didn't note that the Firefly and the Gladiator were CV-capable, which would help expand the EW carrier-based offerings.
Might be a few others on your list, like the Brewster Buffalo (although if we got the Finnish 239 version it wouldn't be), but these are the ones I recognized right off.
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Eww... the P-39 is one of the uglyest planes ever made. It still deserves a spot in the Ah lineup i suppose.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Eww... the P-39 is one of the uglyest planes ever made. It still deserves a spot in the Ah lineup i suppose.
Them are fightin' words ya fish smellin' pirate. The P-39 is one beautiful plane!
Harrrrrrrrrr!