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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on January 30, 2007, 05:14:49 PM
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....or "A Plea for Decency" from Robert Redford at the Sundance Film Festival.
As many of you know, Redford opened the Sundance Film Festival this year with a speech which castigated President Bush for his role in leading the nation into war in Iraq. He further demanded that the President do the "decent" thing and apologize to the nation.
Meanwhile, the list of films being presented to the public at the film festival as some of the best and most thought-provoking of the year are the two following jewels:
Hounddog
Zoo
"Hounddog" is another in a long-line of Hollywood films whose intent appears to breaking down the last taboo in American culture. In this film we witness a real 12-year-old (Dakota Fanning) portray a girl waking up as her naked father climbs into bed with her; "dancing" in her underwear while lying in bed; and getting raped by a teenage boy.
Fanning's parents fully support their daughter's decision to play the rape scene, noting that this could cinch an Oscar for the child star.
Only the actress' face is shown during the rape scene, which reportedly has been tastefully executed.
Nothing whet's a pedophiles appetite like a tasteful rape scene. But it's ART ...
"Zoo" is based on a real-life incident that took place in Washington state involving a man, a stud-horse, and a barn. Or several men, actually. Videotape of the events revealed that several men had found the charms of Mr. Ed to be more than they could resist.
In any event, one of these disturbed gentlemen died from internal injuries suffered during the intimate liaison with his equine companion.
Filmmaker Robinson Devor and THINKfilms distributor Mark Urman have emphasized the film's universalism. Urman says the film is "a universal look at what goes on behind the facade of everyday, quotidian, normal American middle-class life."
Devor admits that the protagonist "seems like an oddball at the outset of the movie", but the filmmaker is trying to reveal "the human capacity to do the most awful things, chart(ing) the journey of this unhappily married man who began to explore sexual alternatives, as so many do."
Ooo-kay. I suppose a lot of people secretly experiment with bestiality as a result of being locked into unhappy marriages. Makes sense to me.
:rolleyes:
Sounds more like some Hollywood types are taking another swipe at the "normality" of middle-class life...which they secretly hold in contempt.
Willllllbbbuurrrrrr! Whhheeerrreee arree Yyouu?
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Nothing whet's a pedophiles appetite like a tasteful rape scene.
We'll have to take your word for it.
Personally, I have no idea what whet's a pedophiles appetite for anything.
;)
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Awww Sandy, you KNEW what I MEANT! lol :D
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Awww Sandy, you KNEW what I MEANT! lol :D
Sorry... I saw the shot and I took it. I was only below the hard deck for a second. :D
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Now that we have that settled... let's tackle the subject of "Hollywood".
Houndog was written, produced, and directed by Deborah Kampmeier. She has made one other movie.
The production companies involved were Deerjen Films, Full Moon Films, and the Motion Picture Group. Between them they've made a grand total of four movies.
As for Zoo... written and directed by Robinson Devor. This looks like his forth. No production companies are identified.
This isn't Hollywood. Hollywood isn't interested in making art-house movies that no one will watch. They're interested in blockbuster buckets of **** like Pirates of the Caribbean II.
:)
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Dude, this festival may have started out as a venue for little known filmmakers outside of the Hollywood circles to hawk their wares, but it has morphed over the years into a media extravaganza for Hollywood celebrity actors and directors from major studios.
Hollywood's fingerprints are all over it.
Neener neener neener. :D
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Gratuitous mutual masturbation.
Neener neener... :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
This isn't Hollywood. Hollywood isn't interested in making art-house movies that no one will watch. They're interested in blockbuster buckets of **** like Pirates of the Caribbean II.
:)
He's right, the Sundance Film Festival is for independent films, these are way off Hollywood's beaten trail.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Dude, this festival may have started out as a venue for little known filmmakers outside of the Hollywood circles to hawk their wares, but it has morphed over the years into a media extravaganza for Hollywood celebrity actors and directors from major studios.
Hollywood's fingerprints are all over it.
Neener neener neener. :D
Nope, I lived in Park City 1999-2000. There were a few recognizable actors and directors there but the vast majority of the people who came to Park City for Sundance were the jetset type from all over the world.
Park City is very small and not awfully metropolitan. The influx of celebrities is barely noticed by the locals, the other visitors are what gets the local businesses all excited about this festival. Lots of income from those few weeks for the resturants and hotel/resorts.
Label it as you will, being there and experiencing Park City during Sundance would help you and your need to label something as 'Hollywoodish' in order to slight it.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
He's right, the Sundance Film Festival is for independent films, these are way off Hollywood's beaten trail.
Way off Hollywood's beaten trail? Not hardly. Off to one side from Hollywood's commercial bottom line efforts? Of course. But what they do for little or nothing shows what they really like. What you see at the local cinemaplex is what they make money with. What you see at those festivals is what they love and how they think.
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Damn... that sounded like it came right out of the mouth of Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly.
Well done!
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See Rule #4, #7
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You guys have Sundance all wrong. It is sort of like a farm league for movies. Yes, there is Hollywood all over the place when the movies are shown. Hollywood wants to pick the moneymakers and get their stamp on the Oscarworthy.
But "Hollywood" is no where to be seen during the filming and production of the movie. No big budget, no formula scriptwriting and the only time you will see famous actors is if it's a pet project.
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Originally posted by rpm
You guys have Sundance all wrong. It is sort of like a farm league for movies. Yes, there is Hollywood all over the place when the movies are shown. Hollywood wants to pick the moneymakers and get their stamp on the Oscarworthy.
But "Hollywood" is no where to be seen during the filming and production of the movie. No big budget, no formula scriptwriting and the only time you will see famous actors is if it's a pet project.
OK, if it is the "farm league" as you put it, then to move up to the "big leagues", you have to make a movie you know the Hollywood insiders will agree with / love / adore / etc. Then you will be tapped to "move on up."
And the same types of movies keep coming to the festival . . .
I think it shows the "independent filmmakers" know their audience.
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You could spin it that way, or you could spin it that it's an outlet for films that otherwise would not be seen.
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ok.. so robert redford is not hollywood? but...
I demand he apologize to the American people for allowing those movies to be shown at his festival.
lazs
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at least they sound like they're better than pearl harbor
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In what respect?
lazs
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low expectations
pearl harbor had a shot at being good:furious :furious :furious :furious :furious :furious
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
See Rules #4, #7
I've seen a fair bit of independent films... I have an opinion about their motivation.
- They aren't interested in commercial success. They aren't following some formula. The movies aren't generally made to be entertaining, though they occasionally are.
- They are often dark and often troubling. You and I and most everyone we know would look at a story like "Houndog" and think, "How horrible! I can't imagine anything so terrible." The film maker that made this film went the other direction. He not only imagined it, he filmed it.
- The films absolutely lack a mainstream perspective. They are all too often about things that we just don't talk about in a "polite" society.
- The films almost never have a hero. They quite often have normal people doing heroic things. Likewise, the films almost never have a monster. They have normal people doing monstrous things.
I find that independent films are typically about humanity, warts and all... not the people that we wish we were. The people that we are, the people we don't want to see when we escape to the theater.
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so, the movies in question are so bad that they are better than pearl harbor?
There were some fun scenes to watch in pearl harbor... you could admire the cgi or whatever.. the old cars (the buick was fantastic) and the period stuff...
There is nothing to admire about the two films in question. Low expectations doesn't make em good films.
fact is... my expectations for the films in question is that they never be made... in that respect... they failed miserably.
lazs
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Originally posted by Shuckins
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"Zoo" is based on a real-life incident that took place in Washington state involving a man, a stud-horse, and a barn. Or several men, actually. Videotape of the events revealed that several men had found the charms of Mr. Ed to be more than they could resist.
In any event, one of these disturbed gentlemen died from internal injuries suffered during the intimate liaison with his equine companion.
Filmmaker Robinson Devor and THINKfilms distributor Mark Urman have emphasized the film's universalism. Urman says the film is "a universal look at what goes on behind the facade of everyday, quotidian, normal American middle-class life."
Devor admits that the protagonist "seems like an oddball at the outset of the movie", but the filmmaker is trying to reveal "the human capacity to do the most awful things, chart(ing) the journey of this unhappily married man who began to explore sexual alternatives, as so many do."
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Are we to now assume mistresses,porn and prostitues are now out of vogue?
Are horses now the "in" thing?
Being in a state that is second only to Kentucky in horses per capita
I'll never look at my neighbors again without wondering not whom they are cheating on their spouces with..but what breed.
I am sure hoever in light of this. Our wonderful governor will be shortly passing a law forbiding this practice. It will be the one law he signs that makes sence.
Particularly in light of his most recent signing into law making it illegal to steal dead body parts.
Forget the fact this hasnt been a problem, nor has a case ever been reported of someone stealing dead body parts. Thus there is no real need for such a law. But he signed it into law anyway
Good law. We just didnt need it
LOL
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Originally posted by lazs2
so, the movies in question are so bad that they are better than pearl harbor?
There were some fun scenes to watch in pearl harbor... you could admire the cgi or whatever.. the old cars (the buick was fantastic) and the period stuff...
There is nothing to admire about the two films in question. Low expectations doesn't make em good films.
fact is... my expectations for the films in question is that they never be made... in that respect... they failed miserably.
lazs
i dont like cgi & i wont waste 2 hours seeing those
therefore they sux less than pearl harbor
strange but true
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Originally posted by Debonair
i dont like cgi & i wont waste 2 hours seeing those
therefore they sux less than pearl harbor
strange but true
I'm just wondering how you felt about Apollo 13. :)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Particularly in light of his most recent signing into law making it illegal to steal dead body parts.
Forget the fact this hasnt been a problem, nor has a case ever been reported of someone stealing dead body parts. Thus there is no real need for such a law. But he signed it into law anyway
Good law. We just didnt need it
LOL
Are you so sure of that? (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=54701)
You may want to re-think your statement. (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/14110530.htm)
Seriously. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-04-26-body-parts-cover-usat_x.htm)
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm just wondering how you felt about Apollo 13. :)
i like tom hanx when he r funnay.
any drama queer can do dramas, but humor is a real talent
hanx was a comedy pro, but that prik wanted to be taken seriously.
now im serias when i say he sux:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Originally posted by Debonair
i like tom hanx when he r funnay.
any drama queer can do dramas, but humor is a real talent
hanx was a comedy pro, but that prik wanted to be taken seriously.
now im serias when i say he sux:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
What about the CGI?
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http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070201d.php
Devor, Redford, eat your heart out..
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didnt see it
i boycott hanx in his not funny movies
was Catch Me if You Can full of CG?
i saW IT ON HBO March 18, 2004 in a hotel room in St. Joseph Missouri:aok:aok:aok
then i listened to the book on tape shortly thereafter driving through Nebraska, Wyoming & Montana
it was kewl also:aok :aok:aok:cool:
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Originally posted by E25280
Are you so sure of that? (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=54701)
You may want to re-think your statement. (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/14110530.htm)
Seriously. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-04-26-body-parts-cover-usat_x.htm)
I stand corrected